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when you stand proudly during "god bless america" and clap for wounded warriors, remember the story doesn't stop there not until suicide stops and every vet who wants a job can find one. that's it for the cycle. "now" with alex wagner. it is wednesday november 12th and this is "now." >> it is a historic moment. ♪ ♪ >> it is a milestone. >> a landmark climate agreement between u.s. and china. the two largest economies have agreed to major deals involving pollution. >> u.s. and china produce 40% of the world's green house gas emissions. >> the first time china agreed
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to putting a limit on carbon emissions but it is not easy being green. >> it is terrible for the united states and terrific for the chinese government. >> mitch mcconnell is calling it a bad plan. >> i wish mcconnell would get his head out of the sand when it comes to climate change. i urge mitch mcconnell to be part of the solution not part of the problem. >> historic, landmark, ground breaking, those words describing the agreement reached between u.s. and china on climate change. it is a really big deal. today's announcement represents the first time china agreed to set a limit on carbon emissions, this country has such bad pollution that $66670,000 peopl died from it in 2012.
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had to tell citizens to stop driving just to get blue skies for president obama's visit. under the agreement u.s. agreed to 26-28% less carbon in 2025 than in 2005, double the pace of production. >> and china agreed to peak its emissions by 2030. >> speaking alongside chinese president xijinping. >> it is aggressive and achievable goal will create jobs and strengthen our security and put both our nations on path to low carbon economy. this is a major milestone in the u.s., china relationship and shows what is possible when we work together on a global
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challenge. >> the u.s. and china account for 40% of the world's emissions. for all the talk of historic agreement, republicans in congress were unimpressed. john boehner calling it the latest example of the president's cruise aid against affordable reliable energy. another calling the deal a non-binding charade. and machine mccon mitch mcconnell. >> apparently he's reached for the chinese on his current trip, the agreement requires the chinese to do nothing at all for 16 years while these carbon emission regulations are creating havoc in my states and other states around the country. >> the agreement reached today is not a treaty and does not
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have to be ratified by congress, a rather, shall we say, inconvenient truth for the gop. joining me now the administrator for epa. thank you so much for joining me on a big land mark day for the epa. let me first ask, what do you think the scientists who say 2030 is too long for china to wait if we're going to keep global temperatures from rising. >> i think they will realize u.s. and china has really made a big leap forward with this commitment. we're talking about for china real economic, social, policy changes that need to be in place in order for them to achieve these kind of large reductions in their emissions, it's going to really mean significant changes now to get where they need to be in 2030. you're talking about 20% of their energy production coming from renewables. the investment that they need to
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make in renewables is going to be staggering and it will actually change the way in which that country delivers that energy from that point forward. is it the answer. no. are they great commitments? absolutely. >> it seems like the chinese at least on the surface are in agreement about what needs to happen in the next decade. what about james inhofe said he will do everything in his power to reign in and shed light on the epa's checked regulations what do you have to say to senator inhofe. >> we have a fundamental disagreement. we know we need to take action on climate change. we know it is the biggest threat to our virm and our economy. to oenvironment and economy.
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we can do it under executive authority. in fact epa is responsible for doing this because carbon pollution is a significant threat to public health. we can make this happen without having to rely on senator inhofe changing his opinion. we will work with him as best we can but we know we have a big task here and we're going to get at it. >> if these guys aren't going to do anything is the administration going to go over their head? >> well the numbers we've talked about in reaching this joint announcement are numbers we can achieve with the rules that are under way at epa, with volume sta voluntary actions knowing the business community and our states are ready to take action we're going to move forward and deliver these reductions and protect public health to deliver the protection americans need
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for their kids to have ai secure future. >> looks like the house may vote on keystone pipeline tomorrow. if it passes both chamber of congress will the white house veto it? >> well, i know the president is waiting for action to pan out in nebraska and he wants all these issues to be resolved. he's going to continue to take a look at this in a very deliberate way and he's going to make his decision. >> thank you for your time gina. >> take care. thank you. >> joining me now, chris, let me start with you, the republican play book on this land mark announcement seems fairly evident which is deny it is a land mark announcement. >> yeah, what is fascinating here is the cutting edge of climate denialism which is climate helplessness which is basically we can't do anything. because china.
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>> right. >> and this pulls the jenga block out from under that argument. the idea is that despite the fact people think american leadership is important and everything else, that it is foolish to go do anything because china will just bend anyw anyway. the significance here is very real even the people who i talk to who are lefty radicals on this. >> is that who you talk to? >> that's who i talk to. they were, everyone last night were like, wow, this is a big deal. one thing you got to understand is the way the chinese government works is, the chinese government saying they will do something is basically the chinese government doing that thing. >> unlike our government. >> i don't want to say that is a superior model. you have to understand when they announced gdp tarkgets, they hi those targets. it is a big deal for them to
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actually pin themselves down and commit to something. >> what do you make of -- chris is bullish on the chinese meeting these targets, how meaningful is that number 2030. should it be 2025. there seems to be discrepancies about what is the real push number. >> i talked to several of my colleagues today and last night, scientists, very credible people, and without a doubt everyone was hugely optimistic, for the first time in our lives, in our generation, we really feel optimistic that this is something we're taking seriously and we can get a handle on. so it's a big deal. it makes a big difference. china is saying we are going to peak around 2030 but if they do it one or two years sooner it will make a vast difference on the long-term trajectory over
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how much carbon we put in the atmosphere because it is such a big deal. >> what about james inhofe who said i've talked to people from china and they laugh at us. >> yes. people in china look over at the denialists and they think it is proposterous. two questions is the science established? yes it is. what do you do about it. in china they are not denying it but they understand. >> people are dieing from pollution. >> you have a real problem in that in china the plus is -- in america the carbon is invisible but it is not in china because they have so many dirty coal fire plants, they built so many, you get pictures of the marathon being run in gas masks. >> in 2010 there were 180,000 protests in china. grass roots has pushed the
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political system. >> exactly right. >> in terms of epa regulations, we talk about what will be the legacy of the administration, there's a huge amount of action coming out in the next month and half from epa to ozone, final rule on toxic coal ash disposal, prohibiting states from polluting the air of down wind states and how likely is it given where the republicans are right now that all of this stuff will be rolled out and as effective as we think and hope it will be sitting here on november 12th? >> that's a great question. here's the thing. this is the first time we have a target that we're willing to set and we're taking the big card out of the play book, which is to say we're waiting for someone else to do it. we are now going to do it our
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self. this is the legacy of our generation. forget the president, talk about our legacy. this is the first time we're no longer kicking the can down the road. it really means we can continue to maintain the u.s. supremacy in terms of science and innovation that we have, in order to make sure our economy is built on the green economy that can help power the planet. part of this package is also a huge reduction in building -- increase in building efficiencies as well which will save people money at the end of the day. so keeping the u.s. at the forefront of that and thus creating jobs and making the bills easier to pay will be key. i'm in miami and the place i'm staying at is about a foot above water. this is also part of investing in our long term future and you can't forget that when you talk
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about cost and balance. >> is president obama going to be remembered as much for the environment as the health care workers. >> this is clear to me that this is the thing that like with clinton he got very, very close, it didn't happen. that is the question now. right. is he going to seal the deal? are we going to get on the glide path are we going to have enough put in place over the next two years that when you look at the trajectory it changes with barack obama. >> yeah will likely work with hillary clinton if she's president what that will mean for climate control. thanks chris. >> thank you. we want to bring you an update about two window washers
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at one world trade who were dangled 68 stories above ground are now safe. firefighters cut a window and pulled them in. we will bring you updates as we get them. coming up are harry reed and mitch mcconnell going to make a deal. and later in his nearly 30 years of television he sat with john lennon, groucho and now me and many more, the legend joins me on set ahead on "now." i know what you're thinking... transit fares! as in the 37 billion transit fares we help collect each year. no? oh, right. you're thinking of the 1.6 million daily customer care interactions xerox handles. or the 900 million health insurance claims we process. so, it's no surprise to you that companies depend on today's xerox
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promising to be a tense and possibly action-packed lame duck section. harry read and mitch mcconnell took to the senate floor, past and present disagreement never too far from the surface. >> i saw firsthand how strategy obstruction was debilitating the system and have no desire in engaging in that matter. >> working together requires trust. president obama has a duty to build a trust that we need to build together not to double down on old ways of going business. i think moving forward with immigration would be a big mistake. >> minutes later in dramatic fashion, mary took to the senate floor to propose an immediate debate on the keystone pipeline ahead of a possible vote tomorrow. >> i believe with a significant push in the next few hours that
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we could actually get the votes that we need to pass the keystone pipeline. i want to say yes to new majority leader, mitch mcconnell. the time to start is now. >> picking up keystone pipeline a republican priority comes only a day after democrat decided to take up loretta lynch's nomination for attorney general next year. conservative members are pushing their party to use the deadline as leverage to prevent president obama from issuing an executive order on immigration. with friends like these, dot, dot, dot. joining me now dana, the december 11th must-pass spending bill now conservatives are
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trying to tie in to prevent the president from making an executive order. i feel i know how this movie ends. >> i suppose we do. it is really a three-ring circus today. they have been kicking around the keystone pipeline for five years and now all of a sudden turned into the mary landrou preservation act of 2014 and people are actually saying the thing could happen. it is kind of a wild west situation. nobody knows exactly what's going to happen. a lot of people figure out whether they can strike a better deal now or if it is just better for republicans to hold off until january. when they control the whole show. >> glen, i'm confused by the number of democrats concessions, if we're counting keystone pipeline, loretta lynch's confirmation. chuck said if we know lynch will get support why poison the well.
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>> that is remarkably optimistic given the history in the republican party. >> well there's a lot of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater with democrats right now. a lot of people are being tram ma trampled as they head for the exits. i can't believe mary, you could pass ten pipelines. why would they give away the one issue they have all this leverage on. i do think shimmer has a point. this is not a nomination that i think will be tremendously controversial. >> let me interrupt. there are plenty of non-controversial nominations and the president still holds them up. if he issues executive, they will extract blood.
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>> that is what we've been hearing for the last 45 days here. i think it will be a really really dangerous move and you will see a big skiz many in tsc tin the party. this woman is not political. >> have democrats said we're not going to push it in the lame duck session or is there a possibility. >> i think they are trying to pick their battles in the sense of what will be extracted from them as further concessions to get that through right now without some republican further conditions on that. you know, sort of the overtone of the whole thing is what is the president going to do with his executive order on immigration and if he's going to do what he said he's going to do, than indeed the entire world as we know it will blowup and
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neither loretta lynch nor anybody else will ever find a job in this administration for the next two years. >> a tempered assessment from where we stand. thanks. glen do you think there's a chance of the white house to consider delaying that executive action until next year. >> i don't know. obviously the whole the white house is now over seas dealing with these suddenly new environment on climate change, that just changed within the last 24 hours. i don't think they strategized that up the road. i think they are waiting for reaction on the hill and waiting for other pieces to be moved on the chess board. they don't have a lot of leverage points. they basically have this. the immigration and keystone pipeline as two big items that republicans are carping about. i think it would be entirely nuts to give that away before negotiations begin.
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>> it is more of a three-ring circus than usual. are democrats saying they are going to vote on is this tomorrow. >> nobody is committing to it other than people who are all for it to start with. as glen correctly points out it will take one heck of a pipe line for mary landrou to over come the disadvantage we saw last week. but, you know, i suppose stranger things have happened. it would surprise me as well if the president doesn't get at least something in exchange for this. basically the bang shot they can hope for is to tie it to some other legislation that the house won't go along with and then they can blame it on the house. it's a lot of shenanigans goes back and forth. >> two things the republicans are in on, isis and ebola, the president made $5.6 billion funding request to combat isis
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and $6.2 billion for ebola. those things actually aren't being discussed. do you think it will be likely he will get that funding? >> i think on ebola there will be back and forth on that but ultimately he will get what he wants. i think isis thing is a much larger discussion and you will see a lot of dissonance from his own party on that. >> thank you. no two better ring masters to discuss the circus with. thank you gentleman for your time. coming up senator john mccain looked into the crystal ball making predictions about the tea party and zone future. next. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are you? aleve, proven better on pain. really. it's not worth it.
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senior told us he is "absolutely leaning towards a 2016 election bid and he will be the number one party of the tea partiers" . >> everyone tells me i'm the number one target of the tea partiers. >> casey, it sounds like the straight talk express is revving it's engine. >> john mccain is not yet ready to set out into the sunset. he has been gearing up for this for a while. he watched his close friend fend off several tea party challenges, you do that by keeping your fences mended at home. he's been in touch with business community to fend off potential
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tea party challenge. >> he's going to be 80 years old, right. >> he's going to be 80 years old but i got toel you, he's been more active than many other senators who are younger than he sx he did eight stops one day in iowa on the trail and talked about how they hit a deer at one point. i think he is still rearing to go. >> road kill. thanks. just ahead, 60 years after banning segregation in schools, how will it rule on political segregati segregation. next on "now." this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424.
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if ever lawmakers can redraw the districts based on race. in alabama's u.s. house races last week, six white republicans cla claimed victory with one democrat arguing after alabama took control -- majority white districts became almost thoroughly bleached out and almost all republicans. alabama was compelled to bolster those majority districts. that claim being call aid cruel irony. judge thompson wrote:
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section 56 t section5 of the voting rights act. from center for justice and from voter protection project, wendy let me start with you first. in terms of sort of strange twists of positions. initially this was a position of making sure minority voices were heard now it is an issue of ensuring minority voters are not margin allia marginalized over concentration. >> we have racial gerrymander and a partisan gerrymander, a decade after the same allegation was made on democrats who had drawn the districts with the goal of not only benefiting
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democrats but also the minority community. now those same arguments is being oohed to pack minorities into districts to reduce power in that state. the question is, is the courts going to see a difference between efforts to benefit minority voters through the act which was reducing black political power in alabama, and an effort to purposefully reduce their political power through packing, as alleged in this case. >> john roberts who is a very important justice on the supreme court has referred to this form of business of divvying up by race. do you think this offers up a clue as to where he might go on this? >> yes unfortunately i think it does.
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this is a very complicated court and very complicated case. let's be honest the court is most complicated about racial justice issues and voting rights so it does offer us a clue, at the same time he said in his majority decision in shelby county versus alabama that there is ongoing racial issues in this country and you see a district that was 72% black and they needed to add more population, added nearly 16,000 people only 35 or 36 of them were white. so they have packed and diluted the african-american vote in a way that is happening in a modern time across the country that the roberts court should respond to no matter what his reservations are. >> well wendy justice roberts not a fan of the voter conservative rights act, and all
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of this racial quota work was part of the section 5 of the voting rights act, given that wouldn't it seem roberts would side with democrats on this issue. >> i'm not sure that follows necessarily. there are a couple of interesting facets of this lawsuit, one is, section 5 of the voting rights action, that provision that alabama is relying on to justify, no longer exists. >> right. >> it is exists, but it no longer practically exists because the supreme court gutted it at the request of alabama as political sub divisions in the shelby county case. so it is being justified on a law that is no longer in effect in alabama so the potential ram if ikss in futuramifications in future cases is dangerous. >> right. >> but the court may use this as
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an opportunity to try to attack the rest of the voting rights act, try to plant seeds that would violate other things under this perfect law. >> which chips away at land mark legislation in piece meal fashion. >> exactly. >> in terms of the pattern we see in deep south is there is only election of black democrats and white republicans, the parties are split almost completely along racial lines. do you think if roberts rule in favor of race, that minorities are arguing, that that could convert what we're seeing happening in the south. that the party pattern could be changed? >> certainly. alabama also has a voter id law that was just implemented for the first time in november and turn out went down 10% from 2010 to 2014.
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so there is some indication that, you know, race and the types of things that dilute the voting power of voters of color are determine ative. so there is some relationship. it is kind of hard to unpack it because there's many things that have to do with turn out and who is elected but i find it no surprise across the deep south we seen this pattern where african-american and latino voters in particular have the candidates of their own choice diluted or blocked in many different ways. no longer with the protection of section 5 of the voter right's act but as this case litigates, on behalf of the black caucus, there's still the constitution and the voting rights act. >> this is the worse turn out in 72 years. when you look at the democratic
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landscape, it looks as bleak as i can remember and certainly it would seem to be a historic low in terms of people's confidence and participation in the system. do you see a silver lining anywhere? a long pause. or is it as bad as you think it is. >> i think the court has played a significant part this under mining ourp confidence in the system, not only through voting decisions but also deregulations, dismantling our campaign finance regulations and through some of the strange decisions made on the redistricting front and gerrymandering, people are upset with the political system. that said, you know, these rulings, this state of affairs isn't permanent and if, you know, where the hope is, is that american people actually don't like the reality that we have right now and we can actually
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try to elect, hope for, a better future, where we have a different way of ordering our democracy. >> it is a bleak and difficult reality. thank you both for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, a day after performing at the concert for valor, why are conservatives keeping anti-war creed just ahead. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things,
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. >> legendary talk show host dick cavet got his big break in 1961. hoping to get a job he penned some jokes and went to 30 rockfeller center to hand the jokes to the host. he snuck into the studio audience and watched as par read cavett's material on air. the rest, as they say, is history. he would stay on as a writer until 1962. in 1968 he got his own show for
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musicians to come and enjoy like john lennon, cavett found himself under watergate, two days after democrats broke into headquarters asked kennedy about it and kennedy called it a desperate attempt. in his new book "brief encounters" he recalls his path to stardom, joining me now, conversations magic moments, dick cavett it is an honor and pleasure to have you on the set. >> i'm a huge fan of yours miss wagner. >> and you are presenting it with such flare. >> has anyone told you that joke. >> no. >> it was a great introduction. >> thank you. it was a great story.
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tell me about, let's start with watergate. i didn't realize that you are on 26 of the nixon tapes. you really got under president nixon's skin. >> i know if i only could have made it to 30. i learned in the past year, that the first time a man sat in the car with me, said, have ever seen this, flips over the laptop and there is the coconspirator in the oval office with his licks fit hole, that's a term, you know, and the words on the screen, and with cavett what could we do to screw him. screw is the most politest word that ever came out of that filthy mouth of that president of ours.
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here's what happened, was going stlu tapes and said everywhere i look there's watergate. all of the baddies, all the villains, and he put together what could have been a two-hour special. and i must say, it is a riveting hour. i don't get the credit because the people who put it together did a brilliant job. they have watched it four fiechbd times, just terrific. >> it is a riveting moment in american history and you're often at the cross roads of art and culture and music. you said you never gave a damn about pop music yet john and yoko came on your show. >> would you have the nerve many public to say you never gave a damn but it is true. but they call came on and then seemed to like me.
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except well, janice joplin certainly did was on four or five times and made fun of my squarish shoes. she were interesting personalities. not all of them but some. >> do you now why they were attracted to you in particular. you were a pretty counter cultural figure. >> yeah i was watched on every campus, i was told, it was obligatory and the fact i resisted certain political aspects on the country and certain individuals, especially on the show. i had my first week terrified wondering how did i get into this nightmare, a man started to log the vietnam war, lewis nizer who wrote popular law books and i had just started read being it and said is this the same vietnam war that your friend
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lyndon johnson said is a war for asia boys and he was not pleased. later someone said he was looking for a jim court nomination. i had a lot of watergate people on that. mitchell and the lot. >> it's hard to imagine that happening today. right. that you would have all of them on the same show. do you think we're too divided? i mean in terms of popular culture and talk shows and news in general, that, you know, we've broken something in so far as we can't have that. the idea of that happening is almost inconceivable. >> i wish i had a good answer. people keep telling me there's nothing on like what you did and i hadn't exactly noticed that. the idea of a 90 minute show with one guest seems like a pipe dream when you get seven minutes. >> if you're lucky. >> and that seven minutes we used to call a star light, would
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be exciting about everything, had the most exciting movie, most exciting director and had the most exciting towel. as if you were supposed to be in a perpetual state of excitement. i didn't mean to turn watergate over. sometimes it is just words on the screen, like is, cavett a jew from nixon. would you be scared when you see the most powerful person in the world say, wagner, how could we screw her. he was such a foul mouth bastar just unbelievable. we had them on early when the boys were young and legendary bradley, and carl bern steen says right at the begin, the day he took off was the second time after the land slide when the
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tapes should be saying aren't we having fun, now we can do stuff for the country, and thank bill, no, it's we got to get this son of a pitch and wreck his business and audit him or her. so we had two criminals in the first and second office, nixon and agnew. nixon came from the womb screaming i got to be president and he screwed it up. >> he certainly did. dick cavett fascinating story i wish we had a 90 minute show. >> well buy some more time. >> thank you for sharing a very small part with us. >> you're great. >> i encourage everyone to go read the book. thank you so much for your time. nice meeting you. >> nice meeting you. >> of course. coming up we'll have more
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>> louisiana democrat senator made news when urging the senate to vote on the keystone pipeline by tomorrow. will hold a press conference at 5:15 tonight. a full house vote is expected tomorrow. that's all for "now." "the ed show" is up next. >> good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show." for live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ ♪ >> obama striking a climate deal with china. >> reducing carbon pollution. >> embrace the energy revolution. >> big question mark. i was particularly distressed about the deal. apparently he's reaching to the chinese. >> the a
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