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>> louisiana democrat senator made news when urging the senate to vote on the keystone pipeline by tomorrow. will hold a press conference at 5:15 tonight. a full house vote is expected tomorrow. that's all for "now." "the ed show" is up next. >> good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show." for live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ ♪ >> obama striking a climate deal with china. >> reducing carbon pollution. >> embrace the energy revolution. >> big question mark. i was particularly distressed about the deal. apparently he's reaching to the chinese. >> the air we breath in america
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is the same air as china. >> the pipeline's impact on our climate will be absolutely critical. >> it's still about oil. >> we'll lead the efforts against climate change. good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching. we start with huge news on climate change, united states and china have reached a historic agreement to cut green house gas emissions, under the deal the united states will curb its green house gas emissions from 26-28% by the year 2025 and china plans to peak its carbon emissions by the year 2030, and will aim to get 0% of energy from zero carbon sources by the end of the same year. president obama addressed the history making deal on tuesday in china.
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>> today i am proud that we can announce a historic agreement. i commend president, his team and the chinese government for the commitment they are making to slow, peak and then reverse the course of china's carbon emissions. this is a major milestone in the u.s. and china emissions and it shows what is possible when we work together on a urgent global challenge. we hope to encourage all major elections to be ambitious, developing and developed, to work across some of the old divides so we can conclude a strong global climate agreement, next year. >> republicans are not happy with the deal. he here's future senate majority leader earlier today. >> as i read the agreement
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requires the chinese to do nothing at all for 16 years while these carbon emissions regulations are creating havoc in my state and other states around the country. i would welcome the president moving to the middle so we can do business on trade and maybe tax reform, first indications have not been very helpful. >> mcconnell and republicans are not happy because their main argument against acting on climate change is now toast. for years republicans have been saying we can't take action until china does. huffington post put together this great clip. >> we can't to it alone without china. >> if we have inlandia and china and other countries not working with us we will many be shipping millions of jobs over seas. >> there are other countries that are polluting in the
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atmosphere much greater than we are, china and india, they won't stop what they're doing. >> this will prevent congress from passing any law on new mandates on green house gas emissions unless both china and india have the same mandate. >> america's a country not a planet. >> if kunlts are like china and russia are in part, part of a global reduction program than it doesn't matter what we do. >> so those arguments no longer hold water are do they? meanwhile republicans are looking to take us backwards, it see seems. the keystone pipeline is on the forefront of the republican agenda and worse some democrats may be on board with the plan, trying to protect the senator who said this. >> it relates to the keystone pipeline and the decision that you are going to make and the
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administration is going to make about a critical, in my view, piece of infrastructure that will transport, safely, the cleanest barrel of oil produced in north america, contrary to popular belief. >> well "the ed show" still hasn't heard about from mary's office about that bogus claim. democrats could allow a stand loan vote on keystone pipeline before mary's landriue's vote son the sixth. could get blocked. if that were to happen and mary were to ask for a vote it is extremely unlikely that a democrat would block it, meaning it would go forward. the 60 votes are a real possibilities of some conservative democrats before leaving the senate, could get a
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chance to vote in the keystone camp. late this afternoon house republicans announced they will vote on approving the keystone pipeline tomorrow. in fact at this hour the house rules committee is figuring out how this will happen tomorrow. president obama has the final word on the pipeline. didn't sound to excited last week. >> is this going to be good for the american people, for their pocketbook, is it actually going to create jobs and is it going to reduce gas prices, that have been coming down and is it going to be something that will increase climate change that we will have to grapple with. i will note while this if debate about canadian oil, we have seen the biggest increase of american
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natural gas production in history. >> what kind of message would it send in keystone pipeline passes after reaching a historic climate change deal with china. doesn't make sense to me. let's bring in republican senator of north dakota. good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. i want to give you an opportunity to respond to this deal with the united states and china. this new climate change agreement. your thoughts? >> i think it is a problem because it requires somewhere between 26 and 28% reductions in emissions by united states by 2025 but doesn't require any reductions from china through 2030 so i don't think it is a good deal for us. why are we allowing china to continue to increase but then putting these requirements on our energy industry here in our country. >> so you're thinking the united states is giving too much too soon as opposed to what the
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chinese are willing to do. >> i don't think it is a good deal. there's no limitation on china's emission so i don't see how it accomplishes what the president is trying to do. >> is it positive that china is willing to do something about climate change. >> the reality is they have to start adopting the new technologies that we're developing here in this country. that is the real key not only to producing more energy but with better environmental stewardship. they are building a coal plant every week. they need new technologies like what we have. >> what technologies are we not adapti adapting? >> as you know -- >> -- i know the scrubber technology has advanced in recent years, are you saying the chinese are not using that. >> we have done amazing things, as far as reducing mercury, so 2, sox, we capture co 2 and use
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it, we are leading the way forward with new technologies that provide that better stewardship. >> so you think that deal is no good. let's go to keystone pipeline. you are offering up stand alone legislation in the senate. do you think you have 60 votes. >> right now it looks you like we may. we have all 45 republicans and to this point, on my bill, which is what senator landrieu is calling up, she's a co sponsor, we have eleven democrats. a few short. senator landrieu thinks she has another four democrats, if so could be passed in the lame duck, if not may have enough votes based on the election to pass it. >> okay. if not now, probably later you will get the 60 votes and the democrats are making the calculations that it could help her in the run coming up in december. >> right. >> now why do we need keystone
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pipeline, senator, why do we need a pipe line going across our aqifer with kaencanadian oi >> is safer and much better to move by pipeline than by rail car. right now 1400 rail cars a day are moving that to our refineries. it is much more cost-effective and safer to move it via pipeline. another thing we're backing up all the other movement of goods by rail. for example, our grain, we can't get our grain in the mid-west to market because the rail roads are over burdened moving oil. >> so you think is safe enough to take this oil over the auk wifer aquiferer -r - -- many aq
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>> this is the newest with the most safe guards, the best technology to try to prevent or mitigate any kind of accident. think about your choices. will you move all that crude by rail or by pipeline? then make the calculations on which is more efficient and which is safer. >> are we moving canadian oil in america by truck right now? i mean this is oil not out of the ground yet. this is tar sands oil that is not coming across our roads now and this would bring it across wouldn't it. >> no this is oil being produced now and being moved by rail. it is not just canadian crude but also crude from the u.s. right now 700,000 barrels a day are moved by rail. so we need these pipelines to move it so we're not moving it all by rail car.
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>> i understand that. how much american oil will be in the keystone pipeline. >> initially 100,000 barrels a day but it is expandible. it is not just the keystone pipeline, we need other infrastructure. you can't have all sources of energy without the infrastructure, that's pipeline, that's rail, more roads, more infrastructure. >> so from the get-go, from the first day of operation there will be american oil in that pipeline? >> well we have to build the onramp so it should be pretty much, yes, when the pipeline comes online we should be able to move the balkon crude in there too. >> should be able to? is there a signed deal on that. >> yes trans canada has agreed to build a onramp in montana so
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we can load that crude. and they already have contracts. >> i want to play a quick clip of mitch mcconnell last week. >> the employment figures connected with keystone pipeline are stunning if we would just get going. >> what kind of employment figures are stunning senator? >> there's been a lot of discussion about the employment numbers and there are very high numbers and lower numbers but i go by what the state department said in the environmental impact statement they say about 42,000 jobs. >> for how long? they are not permanent? >> a lot of them are construction jobs which are probably two-year jobs and you also have another jobs on a direct and indirect bases some last longer some are construction jobs. >> your number is 42,000, probably a couple years in construction. how many permanent jobs after that would lead had mitch mcconnell to say "stunning". >> again there's a lot of
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different numbers. i go by what is in the state department, environmental, they are saying $ 42,000 jobs. a lot of them are construction but it is a varietiy of jobs. >> will republicans attach keystone pipeline amendments on everything that heads to the president's desk. >> we will try to move a varietiy of bills. you still need 60 votes to move a bill and 67 if the president vetoes. it will likely be part of broader energy appropriations if he vetoes it. if there's a lot of democrats on board maybe he won't veto. we'll see. >> and what about how toxic the tar sands oil is. experts have told me this would be bringing the worst oil ever
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to come out of the ground to the world market and it wouldn't effect our gas prices at all. >> the reports show it will help in terms of gas prices. again i work off the doe and state department environmental impact statement, that's the official study. instead of getting crude from else where, we will get it from canada and again, in terms of the oil sands they are moving to in sit you production so the green house gas cycle is traditional than crude. >> so not as toxic as some are reporting? >> correct. >> senator i appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> let me get back to how the democrats are viewing all of this. the way it's unfolding is that the democrats are willing to vote for keystone pipeline because they want to save mary landriu because they think it
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will give her a better opportunity to win in a special election in a run off in december. i don't buy that. if the democrats or environmentalists are truly committed to making sure we do something to curb what is happening in our environment, i don't know how they could say yes to keystone, it's a bad move. it would seem mary has done enough positive things that she could run on that record without trashing the environment further. to all democrats, if you turn and you say yes to keystone pipelineit will be hard for you to turn back to those who were concerned about the environment and say, i really did the right thing. and then if there's going to be a threat of a government shutdown it will go to the president and he's going to have to figure out where he stands on the environment. great deal with china as i see it but on keystone pipeline if he vetoes and it comes back and
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deal wz government shutdown because of the money we're really going to have an interesting news cast. i hope the president would veto that too. we got to show the country and world that we're serious about climate change. tonight's question, should democrats allow a vote on keystone pipeline to help mary lan lan landruie. coming up in trenders, green operation, we'll take you right to today's first net zero energy hospital. why can't all of them do this. and later, a high-speed landing on a comet. wish i had been there. this time it's not a movie scene. keep it here we're right back. [singing to himself] "here she comes now sayin' mony mony".
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>> what's hot, what's not, time now for trender's social media. this is where you can join "the ed show" . >> "the ed show" social media nation has decide the here are today's top trenders voted on by you. >> the number three trender, roker thon. >> another check of the weather with mr. roker. >> we're going to set new record with a 34 hour reporting. >> we are going to do it on all
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the nbc television stations. >> we'll be streaming every second on today.com. >> we hope to brake the report here on today 8:00 a.m. on friday. >> number two trender. >> a lot of people are talking about calvin klein's new size ten models. >> calvin klein's ad campaign gets sized up. >> the fashion industry surprisingly called plus size it sparked a controversy. >> to call a size ten a plus size is unbelievable. >> maybe this will be the size we will see becoming the norm. >> true body diversitiy is everything and everyone. a range of sizes and shapes. >> and today's top trender,
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energized. >> why in the world would the health system work on energy product zbluks a wisconsin hospital goes green for a healththhealt healther environment. >> on october 14th, gunderson produced more energy than we used. >> as a health care organization gunlderson feels it is important lead by example and reduce the impact of the energy it uses. >> we use wind turbine and landfill gas energy initiative. >> we believe we can be good for our environment and the health of our community. >> interesting story. joined tonight by neonatal doctor and ceo in wisconsin. doctor, appreciate your time. this really has a combination of everything we talk about on "the ed show," everything from health care to energy. why did the hospital decide to
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become more energy efficient, whose idea and how long has it been in effect. >> we've been working on it a number of years and it is a complex system coming from the organization's responsibility for the community is more than sick patients, it is the health of the whole community, the financial health, environmental health of the community so we set out to say how are we going to do all that and we believed we could lower our impact on the environment, decrease pollution and believed we could save money to lower health care and do it with local sources so it would boost the local economy. so it is about health and economy all together. >> it sure is. explain some of the products. there's a real allah cart th
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. >> there's a real ala cart that makes it happen. >> we don't hi it is all of the above for everyone. the first we use is conservation. we have reduced our need for energy initially 25% and then another 5% and we keep working on that and working on that. so the first effort is conservation. and by the way, is it has an amazing short pay back. i spent $2 million on conservation and get $1.2 million every year in savings, pretty good return. but we use wind. we use landfilled methane gas that was just flaring into the atmosphere. we partnered with the county and they now get $200,000 they never got before and we pay them for the gas and we heat a whole campus of 1200 people on the northern side of town and save $1,000 a day.
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we believe we have to be both environmentally sound but good for the local economy as well. >> and of course insul ating the pipes certainly helps. the hospital now produces more energy than it consumes. what happens to the extra energy where does it go. >> we have had 12 days since october 14th where we produce more than we consume. some days it is very cold and windy and we're under water and other days it's quite good. we are still partnered with the major energy providers in the upper midwest and what we have extra we put it on the grid and they buy it from us and when we are a little short we get it from them. but the net amount on those days, and frankly for the next year, we believe all five of our hospitals, the amount of energy used by all five of our hospitals will be completely off
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sb set by our renewable sources. >> did you take energy and business classes in medical school? this is really interesting that someone of your back ground has put this all together. it's really an example for the rest of the country and shows what could be done when entities come together to make something happen. >> well, certainly not all me. i helped with the idea and getting it going but of course i'm a ceo so i ask kind of make things up and push them forward and i'm a doctor ceo so i can really make things up. but we have a great board who thinks long term raand are happ with the eight-year pay back. >> do you think other hospitals can and should be doing this? >> i think many other hospitals are working on this. there's about a thousand hospitals joined together to start working on these types of issues to try to decrease their
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environmental impact on the community but doing it in a thoughtful way that helps lower the cost of health care and improves the local economy. >> dr. jeff thomas good to have you with us. appreciate your time. coming up the moral monday movement shift gears after the devastating win in north carolina. now what. plus one giant leap today the world witnesses the first ever comet landing. we'll take you into the history making rosetta-mission. list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪
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show." been an interesting road in north carolina. you see, back in april, the house speaker, thom was proud to lead obamacare before medicaid skpengs but changed his tune. >> i think we should consider expansion of medicaid. >> he won the north carolina senate race by less than two points against kay hagan now time for him to put his money where his mouth is. 511,000 current citizens are excloe excluded from medicaid. he said this. >> well he could start with 23,300 north carolina veterans that could be eligible for
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medicaid under expansion. my next guest isn't waiting for tillis to get to washington. he's asking for medicaid expansion soon as possible. joining me reverend barber, president of the north carolina nwacp. good to have you back with us tonight. thanks for your time. you wrote a letter to governor mccrory to get this done. are you optimistic that could happen? >> well what we're trying to do is hold him accountable to what he said on election night. there was discussion about working to the the fact is he has been a 345i7bmajor blockade medicaid expansion. the majority of the people are working. thousands are construction workers, 23,000 veterans, i have veterans with me tonight. there's no reason we shouldn't do it. they said they needed to fix the
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system in north carolina but you can't reform without accepting medicaid expansion. we're going to lose $36 billion over a period of time. $8 billion this year. billions of dollars. children and veterans and working poor people are being hurt. they could solve it in an hour. all they need to do is repeal the bill and say not even the governor could expand medicaid without coming through legislation. >> do you think senator tillis was honest or just saying it to win votes. >> he was certainly contradictory because at the end of the race said he wanted to expand medicaid while he ran ads that see he was key to blocking it and then he said he wanted to repeal obama so medicaid expansion is part of obamacare. he won by less than 1.6%.
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he got less than 51% of the votes in north carolina. 51% of the -- excuse me he got less than 50%. which means this is not a mandate, this is not some kiengd kind of validation. he got less than 30 votes per precinct. 96 voted were white. he only was able to get this narrow victory after putting forth the worse voter suppression bill we have seen since jim crowe and having control of the entire state government and the best he could do was get a 1.6% margin and less than 50%, has not happened in the history of the state of north carolina. he has the opportunity to governor for all of the people if he will and it needs to start with a special session right now before thanksgiving and get medicaid expansion. >> do you come to the conclusion all of the voter suppression
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they did had a direct outcome on this election. >> well the brenden center has done a preemptive report that says you can almost track the victory to the margin of voter suppression. what we do know -- go ahead. >> what about the integrity of the vote. was that compromised? >> sure. we know machines were messed up. we know that people were turned away from being at the wrong precinct, some of them at the last minute and this year they were not allowed to vote for senate out of precinct because they change that rule. we know 53% of people voted sunday were african-americans, if we had more days we would have had a different outcome. a lot of people didn't register early because that was removed. and we know in one precinct people stood in line for two and half hours where they had two precincts in the same building.
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finally tonight, simply amazing. the european space agency touched down on a speeding comet. scientists waited for what they called 7 hours of terror, while the spate craft rocketed to the comet's surface. >> the landing gear has been moved inside, we are sitting on the surface. felix is talking to us. more data to come. >> the biggest problem of success is that it looks easy. and especially for us, while not doing anything. we are the first to have done that. that will stay forever. fillet reached the comet to the sound of a roaring applause, 317 million miles away. nbc news' keir simmons has the story. >> reporter: it would land gases, chemicals and other
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properties form the the rosetta spacecraft has been chasing the comet for ten years. the trickiest part, well, how do you get the lander to land with little gravity? without full notion of what the inhospitable surface will be like, and no control over where the spacecraft makes contact. if it all goes according to plan, the landon will look something like this. a daring feat revealing more secrets of the solar system it could even explain the origins of life on earth. >> the first of its kind mission will send back incredible information, and i am joined tonight by senior astronomer and director of the seti institute and also from the jet propulsion center at nasa. seth, put in perspective what
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has happened here? >> to begin with there's a technical feat of actually landing this thing on a comet. that's pretty tough. it's a by like, i don't know, throws a dart and hittic the target thousands of miles away. but the ear thing is, we don't know too much about com either, and we want to know things about com either, because they have may have filled the oceans with water, may have supplied the building blocks for life on earth. there was always a for slamming into our planet. >> amy, how fast was this comet going when this landing took place? how much of a guarantee it was going to happen successfully? >> com either travel like this one at incredible speeds. this was traveling about ten kilometers per second relative to the earth. that's just an astonishing speed. you can imagine trying to navigate to the comet, know it's going at such great speeds. and of course trying to navigate around it once we get there is
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even more phenomenal. so this mission is really accomplished a tremendous amount all right. >> amy, is there a lot of competition to be first at doing this? >> well, nasa actually landed a mission on an asteroid in 2001, but this is the first mission to land on a comet. com either and asteroids are the yin and yang of our solar bodies. asteroids are more rocky, but this is a phenomenal achievement. >> seth, what kind of information can come off this structure? >> well, you can certainly learn something about the comet itself, how tightly packed is it? and that might be useful if, as you say anner rant comet were ever to have earth's name on it headed our way. we would know more to you to take care of the problem, but more than that, the real payoff is simply understanding what's inside that comet. there are hundreds of billions of com either, but they're at in the attic, way beyond pluto, but
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they did a deep freeze for 4.5 million years. these are the things from which plan either were made, so that information is still available, they've been, you know, frozen all that time. we could learn how the earth was built. that's an interesting thing to know. >> amy, how long will this contraption, this spaceship stay on the surface of this comet? >> right, one of the big challenges is how exactly do you land on a comet that's tiny and has very weak gravity. it's more of a docking maneuver. what they're trying to do right now is establish that the lander is firmly attached to the comet, and will probably stay there a long time. we'll see what happens with it. >> how about the communication, amy, from this piece of equipment? i mean, 317 million miles? >> yeah, it's an enormous distance. it's so far away that it actually takes nearly half an hour for a signal from the
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spacecraft to reach us here on earth. you can imagine that spacecraft has to go it alone for long period of times. >> it's a serious "can you hear me now?" moment. seth, how cold is it there. they could have equipment problems, how do they know the kind of environment they're dealing with or how to build this craft? >> well, you know, it's the weather of outer space. this is out about the position of jupiter, a little less, i think. the temperature on jupiter's moons, for example, technically minus 250 degrees. but you know, when it's minus 250, you probably don't care. so it's very cold, no air, but there is night. >> 250 degrees below zero? did i hear that? how do these metal things work
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when it's that cold? >> you have to build them to work when it's that cold. that's not the first time we've had to do that. space missions have gone far than this, actually, they still work. one of the voyager spacecraft is still out there doing some things. it's a lot farther away than this. it has an internal energy source, but the metal, the electronics, some of it still works. good engineering. >> amy, is this a case that nasa could have done it, they chose to do something else? >> nasa has been an intimate partner with the rosetta mission. so we've been there all along and are sew happy for colleagues. what an amazing day. >> is it soil? what is the substabs of this comet? >> com either are a mix of rocks and various volatiles like water, carbon dioxide, ammonia, all of it frozen into this
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matrix. the precise nature of it is pretty much been undisturbed, like seth said, since the beginning of the solar sim. so they're really time capsules. >> so we can get a lot of information out of machine? >> we hope so. as the origins of life may have a lot to do with comets. if they made the raw materials, brought them to earth in the early days, we, that may have given life a headstart. if it did it hear, you can bet there are com either in other solar systems, too. that may say something about the prevalent. we know that world space engineers certainly have a lot of patience. that is absolutely mind-boggling to me. seth, thank you for joining us.
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a amy, thank you for being with us. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. \s. thank for tunes in. tonight's lead, a collision course in washington. that's what we're seeing, because on just about every issue, every policy, every day republicans try to stand in president obama's way, and then they blame him for washington's dysfunction. it seems too far-fetched to be true, but just listen to senator mitch mcconnell today. >> the actions of the next few weeks would help set a positive tone not work of the next congress, a tone that will depend largely on the administration's willness to send a -- >> senator mcconnell is accusing the president of setting a bad tone? is that so? this from the man who