somebody who speaks to the base well to be able to explain what's happening to them. >> all options are on the table. all options were on this table. i don't think anybody at home can see how many note cards i had today. robert gibbs, it is good to see you, my friend. welcome back. >> i'm glad to be at the table with the options. >> thank you guys. always good to see you. that is all for "now." "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans and welcome to the ed show live from new york. if you're in the business of doing business for the people you've got to have a plan. what is the republican plan for health care? let's get to work. ♪ ♪ >> there has to be a solution to replace obamacare. >> now is the time! you've been less than forthright about what their proposed changes will interact and would

do. >> do everything humanly possible to repeal obamacare. >> we'd like to repeal it for everybody. >> obamacare. >> repeal it for everybody. >> at some point next year we'll move to repeal obamacare. >> now is the time. >> at some point next year. >> is that clear? ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us, tonight, folks. >> i'm on the edge of my seat waiting for that plan. today marked a day when the next congress would take shape. kentucky senator mitch mcconnell has been elected majority leader and of course, on the democratic side, look at this elizabeth warren has secured a leadership role as the new strategic policy adviser to the policy committee. that's a big title. the role was created specifically for her and secures a progressive voice in the leadership. what is the left concerned about right now in mitch mcconnell has made it very clear what the

agenda is going to be all about. at the top of his let is repealing and chipping away at obamacare. okay. give him that. what's the plan? here is mcconnell just one day after winning the majority. >> it's no secret that every one of my members thinks that obamacare was a huge legislative mistake. it has fouled up the health insurance market put states in a deep hole in terms of the medicaid expang and our own ability to finance it a few years from now. if i had the ability, carl, obviously, i would get rid of it. obviously, it's also true it's still there. so we'll issue discussing how to go forward on this issue when we get back. >> i have to throw these numbers at you right away, folks. he just said that it has screwed up the insurance market. that's not the numbers i have. >> unitedhealthcare group up 17%. humana up 45%, ate netna, up 30

look at them, they're up 47%. wow! mitch mcconnell wants to take away healthcare for 10 million americans. the republican agenda seems to want to reverse everything on health care. this is what mcconnell wants to repeal. 10 million people. 10.3 uninsured americans have received coverage since october 1st of 2013. that's a hard number that can be verified. republicans have no solution to find those americans health care. where's the plan? it's not on the table. it's all negativity coming from them. here's another thing about business. there has been a 25% increase in the total number of insurer sellers, health insurance plans in the marketplace. that means there are more people in the mix. 8.2 million seniors safered 1ve

million in costs. this is what it's done for seniors. republicans want to get rid of that. i have to say that because they don't have a plan right now. the growth of health care has dropped from 2010 to 2013 per capita, health costs grew at an annual rate of just 1.1%. it is the slowest rate for any three-year period on record. let's talk about the hospitals for a moment. how are they doing? hospitals are projected to save $5.7 billion this year in uncompensated health care costs. that means the taxpayer isn't picking up the tab for americans who can't afford it. you know those americans going into the emergency room where the republicans were telling them where to go get care and someone else had to pay the bill. they get coverage now. 78% of those savings were coming

from states that have e panneded medicaid. so let's not forget the most important provision of the affordable care act. it's consumer protections. you would think the republicans are concerned about consumers. wait a minute. they don't have anything on the table and republicans want to go back to the days ever health insurance companies having all of the power and denying the sick and denying coverage of pre-existing conditions and they want to go back to the limits of coverage and in other words, they only want to pay so much and they want to get rid of the free preventsive care which of course gets you out in front of your health situation. republicans want to deny young adults under the age of 26 from staying on their parents' plan which is very popular. republican opposition to obamacare is purely as i see it political at this point, maybe the plan's coming out tomorrow and what i gave you here tonight are numbers that are verifiable

and it's the truth. this is the law. it is saving money. it's working for millions of americans and and it's save being living. don't ask me why the democrats couldn't run on what i just did here in the last four minutes. i don't know. i don't know. it seems to me like it's a pretty good sell, but there's been so much personality bashing on the president. there has been so much negativity and lies about the law these are the hard numbers one year after. >> okay. i'll give it to you. a rough start to the beb site, but it got handled and it got handled for over 10 million people. >> for more let me bring in crystal ball and msnbc dr. corey aber. he is the professor of lsu health sciences center and we'll start tonight with dana loesch who is nationally syndicated radio talk show host and author of the book "hands off my gun," thank you very much for being

with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> dallas, texas at the blaze headquarters. >> are the cowboys going to be okay now? what's happening there? >> yeah, you know. >> let's get the important stuff out of the way first. >> i moved here to dallas about a year ago and i've kind of adopted the cowboys although i'll always be a die hard cardinals fan, but i'm confident because they're doing better than the rams. >> let's get to health care. why do the republicans not have a plan on the table, dana. all they talk about is repeal and the numbers i gave are facts. harry reid had it on his desk. you know there are nine plans that have been submitted by house republicans and several of those which were presented prior to the passage of obamacare and ultimately, that's a question that we need to does the majority leader harry reid, and

a lot of them have really good stuff in there that i think should have been included in obamacare. what do you agree with and do the republicans agree with of the numbers that i've put out and you were citing numbers. >> this is the congressional budget office and we know how the cbo works and they just kind of score what you give them. >> whose numbers do you want to believe? the congressional budget office is going nonpartisan. >> the people have reported in. what did you say? republicans want to the run 10 million people off of health care. >> they do. i would say that the administration's done a bang-up job with that so far because 4.7 million have found -- are there more people in health care. that's a yes or no.

and the family members have lost health insurance. >> that's because it was junk insurance. >> no, no, no. you don't get to slip that out there and run off. >> i'll get to that. >> there are federal standards that can't be sold in the marketplace. >> i know they lower their criteria. >> want to be crystal clear. you say that there are fewer people in this country with health care today than a year ago. did i hear that correctly? >> remember, it was the lie of the year just recently that the president promised if you like your health care plan you can keep it. that's not the question. >> i want you to tell my audience. >> dana, i'm not going to do this. >> dana, hold on. i want you to deny -- there are more -- are you telling me that there are fewer people with health care in this country? yes or no. >> obamacare -- you won't answer the question and you won't give

me the answer. >> you want to move the goalpost. >> either you have insurance or you don't. do you believe that obamacare has given more insurance to people? 4.7 million. >> i'm doing the interview here. i'm showing you respect by doing the interview. you're interviewing me back. >> i'm doing you a favor by doing this interview, ed. >> if it's a job killer why is there five months of private sector job growth. >> you answer with a question. you answer with a question. are these numbers phoney? >> its unequivocal the fact that we have more people now insured than previously and it's also been a huge list for young people and it's been a huge list of people of color and four women and the idea that we did have some bumps in the beginning certainly the case and the idea that some people did have to switch to different insurance because it warrant up to the standards of the law is certainly the case, but overall if you look at the country as a whole there is no doubt that folks are better off and they

can't be kicked off their coverage and there's nothing that the republicans have offered that comes anywhere close. >> there are plans out there. >> they have offered piecemeal things and things like selling across state lines and do any of them come close to insuring the number of people that the obamacare act ensures? >> i don't think that they would have cost $4.7 million people perfectly good health insurance. >> some of them would have. >> again, to answer your question, though, would the republican plans cover as many people as obamacare does? by the federal government it would make it exponentially easier for people do do it. >> that's not based on what the cbo says. >> no, no, no, no. first off, that's not true either. i mean, you can't say that that's not true. it hasn't een been sent to the cbo. >> independent analysis. >> now you're quoting the cbo.

>> dana -- [ indiscernible ] >> now you're quoting them. >> let me talk to crystal for a second. >> you're not running over me. >> dana, you're not going to filibuster. i'm not going to let you do it. i'm not going to answer your question. >> they talked about portability. >> you're being unworkable right now. i'll give you more time. you're rude as it stands right now. i gave you the shot and you ran all over it. >> all of these insurance company stocks are up. >> whoa! i just got to get a word in here. i'm glad i'm here because i bring a different perspective and a different lens if the young lady that's on the camera right now would understand and look into a patient's eyes, a person that has never had health care in their life that will now come to the clinic and which

happens in my kleinic almost every day and i have diabetes and i've been going to the er which has cost my hospital a million dollars over my lifetime and now i have primary care. thank you so much for allowing this to happen. when you can do that and then look at somebody's eyes and say, you know what? i don't want you to have that insurance then we can talk, but until then, they just don't get it. >> the republicans have not come out and said, okay. this is what we're going to keep on obamacare. a, b, c, d. they haven't done that. all they've done is talk about repeal. so dana, let me go back to you. was there junk insurance in the industry before this law, yes or no? >> well, first off we're not going to frame the question that way. >> what are you talking about? hold on, can i answer your question? >> we're not going frame the question that way? >> did you bring me on here to yell at me for ten minutes? >> i want you to answer the question. >> was there junk insurance.

>> i'm giving you an opportunity here. >> this is how -- i'm giving you an opportunity. this is how you need to ask it. do i believe that insurance is perfect? no. i don't believe health insurance -- >> you're not the hoechst of th show. i'll give you the floor for 30 seconds. >> don't yell at me. i'll wait. >> you have the floor for 30 seconds. >> do i believe that health insurance needed to be reformed? absolutely. i believe there are a number of things that we have done. we could have decoupled business from people's health insurance so that they can always maintain their health insurance no matter if they had to change jobs or not. one of the things that i wish we could do and i wish government can do and i would hope, ed that our republican congress takes the opportunity to do is to increase competition. we could have more choices and less cost. >> there are 25% more -- >> you're going to yell at me now. >> i'll interrupt you because i

gave you 30 seconds. >> there is competition in the market now offering plans and that's been taken care of in that regard. there are federal standards now and there are federal standards that must be met by the insurance industry that they can't sell plans that don't live up to what consumers need. we have an election. that has been decided, okay? and you are a republican congress. >> turn around. that's good. hey, look. you've got the power. give us the plan. >> we've had plans that have been submitted and on the specifics if you decouple the employer insurance, that would entail a lot of people losing their current insurance which is what you're upset about right now. that's exactly what that would entail. >> one of the reasons that obamacare was crafted in the way that it was was to keep as many people on the plan as they have. as you pointed out and as ed pointed out some of those plans that people had didn't meet the standards of quality health insurance so yes, it was not 4.3

million people, but a number of people did have to switch to a better, more higher quality plan. >> dana, you have the final word. >> i just have a quick question, if we're talking about standards of care, i'm curious as to what standards of care. i have a very good friend of mine who is dealing with breast cancer. she lost her health insurance in st. louis and is dealing with obamacare and she does not have access to the cancer centers in st. louis. >> i don't believe that. i want to interview her. dr. aber, you believe that? >> that's not true. >> she may not be able to keep her exact healthcare plan because of the doctor that she wants, but that doesn't matter because it's about healthcare for all not just one person. >> okay. >> that's all we have time for. first of all, what a pleasure. good to have you with us tonight. thank you. that's the different we have here in health care for america. people pick and choose their facts and you're only allowed to ask certain questions and when

you counter somebody they might come back with a question totally dodging what the point is. the point is this. there are numbers that are undeniable how this health care law has helped americans and the republican s want to repeal all of it, at least that's what they're saying. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, do you think we should bring more conservatives on "the ed show," text a for yes text b for no and 67622. we'll bring you results coming up. >> the founder of domino's sets off to build a catholic promise land in florida. a little thing called the constitution is getting in the way.

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the founder of domino's wants to turn a town into a religious hot spot. >> a catholic utopia faithful to the principles of the catholic church. >> he has put his personal fortune into ave maria. it received national attention after moynihan's about banning pornography and contraceptives in the town. >> avoid the noise. >> i would bring as many people with me as i can. >> executive director of americans united for the space station of church and state. >> good to have you with us tonights. what is the harm here as you see it? a catholic community set up like this? >> this is a big problem. about ten years ago the florida governor at that time jeb bush convinces the florida legislature to allow ave maria to be set up as a kind of planned community and he convinces the legislature that unlike other planned communities in florida there's no

representative democracy in this town. the prior law had said, look, if you set up one of these planned communities you have to allow people in it to vote at least after ten years. in this case, there's no guarantee that any of these people, 2,500 people in 11,000 acres in ave maria, florida, will ever get a chance to vote. so think, you will have people like tom moynihan who is a very ied diosyncratic catholic decid if you want to watch soft porn on the table, you can't do that. if you want to go into a grocery store and you want to buy a condom, you can't do it in ave maria, florida. >> there is something wholly unconstitutional about it, because if these folks who live in that town cannot ever vote they'll never change the policies. >> this gentleman stepped down from ave maria university in

2011. yet, i understand he's still involved in the town. so, where is law enforcement here? i mean, if -- are there laws being broken right now? >> well, if there are laws being broken then it's up to the people in the surrounding county to have their police force come in and enforce those laws. similarly, if you don't want to go to the catholic school, the elementary schools and all of the way to high school you are still allowed to go to a public school outside ave maria. >> the only people that would be in the community would be people who want to live that way, worship that way and live their life that way. so isn't that somewhat of a statement of freedom in regard? >> not really because we gave up on this idea that if you're comfortable with people, remember when there were only women stewardesses on airplanes and then somebody said we should hire men and the big airlines years and years ago said, you

know, we think most people who fly are business travelers. they're not going to be comfortable being served by a man. they're more comfortable being served by a woman in a skirt. comfort level is not a constitutional standard and it's not a constitutional standard in a town set up in florida by tom monahan who did dispose of domino's pizza. he now owns a place called domino's farm. one of the places that sued the united states government so they didn't have to provide contraceptives to their female empl employ. >> to your knowledge does the catholic church endorse this? there is no stamp of approval as i understand it from the catholic church. there is a cathedral in ave maria. mr. moynihan tried to appoint one of his favorite priests to be the head of that church, the surrounding officials from

florida's catholic community said you can't do that and so that didn't work. >> so they don't have a parish or priest right now? >> no. what they have is the only privately owned catholic church in the united states of america. >> okay. >> and they have problems. there's certainly dissent within the catholic church, including in that church and there is essentially no way to communicate those views to anybody else. so you have no representative democracy. you have no contraception and no adult entertainment on cable. you have absolutely no freedom in this place set up by jeb bush. he ought to come out and explain what he thinks if he's running for president about this community and its policies. >> reverend barry lynn, appreciate your time on the ed show. >> coming up, president obama throws down the gauntlet on immigration. next in "ask ed," i'll ask al, how's it going? by the way? what's the weather in my neck of the woods. we'll take an inside look at

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welcome back to "the ed show." at this moment the "today" show's al roker is over 19 hours into his attempt to the -- broadcast, around 10:00 p.m. and it's all for a good cause. roker is asking for donations to benefit our armed forces and the uso. the event is being live streamed on today.com and will wrap up at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning on the "today" show. this morning i had an opportunity to drop by and ask how's the weather looking for this week nernd my neck of the woods. ? >> ladies and gentlemen, from msnbc mr. ed schultz. who happens to be my brother-in-law, jackie bryant who is an air force retiree is one of the biggest ed schultz fans.

>> al, you're a weather warrior. >> we're trying. >> 13 hours. fantastic. congratulations. great work always. >> we're trying to raise money for the uso. i got to do a uso show with jay leno and greg robinson and kevin eubanks and how important the uso is to our kids. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> i have a big mission this week. on saturday i have to fly from detroit lakes, minnesota. >> okay. >> we missed the big snowstorm. >> yes, you did. >> you had 13 inches in st. cloud, minnesota and now i have to go to mott, north dakota. >> right now it is 12 degrees. that's rough. >> but we have a little sun. >> and the forecast for the weekend, saturday flying looks pretty good, you think? >> it will be bumpy and a little turbulence, but the heavier show should be done by saturday. >> okay. >> the mission is there is a farmer there named robert martin and he raises beef.

>> ooh. >> so i'm going there to pick up a bunch of beef and bring it back and give it to the homeless should thor in fargo. >> that's the plan. >> what a great idea. >> i have to have good flight rules and all of that kind of stuff. >> the worst thing that's going to happen is it will be so dog gone cold, but everybody is used to that there. >> we're still in bathing suits. >> that's a visual image, i don't know that we want to -- >> when we go below the doughnut, when we go below zero then, of course, we start thinking about some clothes. some underwear and beyond. >> that's a great mission. >> yeah. wow! there are so many thoughts now going through my mind, but that's really great that you're doing that. well, we have to do things like that and i think it's great what you do always and you're also on top of it and doing this is fantastic. i commend you. tell your friends who watch the ed show, thank you so much.

>> i will. >> be safe, my friend. >> thanks, al. say hello to everybody in fargo for us. >> all right. keep it up, al. all of us on "the ed show" are rooting for you, buddy. by the way, i like the forecast. i'm morgan brennan with your cnbc market wrap. stocks climb across the board. the dow gains 40 points. the s&p adds 1 and the nasdaq is up five points. crude prices end at a shocking $74.21 a barrel down nearly 3% today and hitting a four-year low. the decline sent energy stocks skidding. the number of americans filing for first-time jobless benefits rose more than expected last week. claims jumped by 12,000 to 290,000, however, they do remain near 14-year lows. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. odelivery.com get out of here!! 50% off laser hair removal.

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i'll just say this. we are going fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. if he wants to go off on his own there are things that he's just not going get. >> welcome back to "the ed show," the president may come through on the overhaul. the president is expected to move on executive action. the order is expected to affect 5 million immigrants. a part of the president's ten-part plan obtained by fox news, and expanding visa programs. there are also plans to distribute some work permits. that brings up a question of legality. fox news followed up their coverage kind of like with a freakout. >> you have the president re-writing the law and you have

the president failing to comply with his oath. that equals offenses that rises to the level of impeach ability. >> every one of these individuals will be given a photo i.d., a social security number and the right to take a job in america. >> on the senate races, who campaigned on working with obama on immigration. >> name the republican? >> nobody. >> there's no mandate to work with booobama. >> the mandate -- >> that's what it's about. >> okay. >> now i get it. that's an interesting technique. they have to ask the host a questi question. that's where it came from. okay. for immigration reform, the question is not if. the question is when. now we might see it as early as next week. >> joining me in the rapid response panel tonight, who is on the executive board of the

dnc and hernandez, great to have both of you with us tonight. annette, you first. what are the expectations of the latino community for the president to move on this when the, let's face it, when the republicans have been so stubborn and haven't moved on it at all? >> the expectation is that the time is now. we honestly of theed him to do it long before even in the middle of all these races. he didn't. he said he would do it after the election. well, it's after the election and we look forward to him doing an executive action and by the way, clinton didn't do it, but reagan did it and both bushes did it when it comes to immigration reform and they used executive action and i find it interesting that now we have the republicans criticizing the president and threatening to impeeve him. that's ridiculous. they have an opportunity to act right now. there is a bill that was passed in a bipartisan way that they can take to vote and the votes

are there. >> what about the talk of impeachment if the president moves on this, and the hot button issue of senator sessions is that he's concerned about the work permits and the question of legality surrounding that. >> how do you break that down? >> just as your guest mentioned we're talking about something that happened consistently throughout history. since eisenhower there have been 39 xeshg tiff actions taken by u.s. presidents including many that involved work permits on immigration. so this is something that's well within his scope of authority. it's certainly no question that this has nothing to do with impeachment. this is the kind of thing that has to be done because congress has not acted and so these republicans that are making noise now, and we wouldn't be in this legislation. >> if the legislative body comes forward and delivers something, that think, would supersede what

the president has done. is that almost like a motivational move, isn't it? >> absolutely. the thing is that they can certainly pass an immigration law, but i just want to make sure that people remember that there is a bipartisan law that passed the senate that is sitting there and they won't bring it to a vote at congress, so i just think it's ridiculous that they're saying we need to bring about a law ourselves. what do you mean? you did. it was passed in a bipartisan way, and about the visas. let me add that the chamber of commerce has been asking for this relief for the visas for people to be able to get their work permits. so this is not just democrats. this is the business community saying that we need this. >> now, the republicans, conservatives are seriously going to look at this as amnesty which they, of course, don't want anything to do with. what's your response to that, henry? >> again, this is nothing to do with amnesty.

this is an important authority that the president has and it's the constitutional authority to make sure that our laws are enforced appropriately. what we're talking about now is currently 1,000 people are deported every single day in the united states. that's tearing apart families. we cannot have an immigration policy that tears apart families. i was at a rally that senator blumenthal had in connecticut just last week. two young girls, middle school age girls got up and spoke about how their mother, these two girls are u.s. citizens. their mother is currently being detained on the other side of the country in texas, being held in a facility in a detention facility in texas. these are american families that are being torn apart by a policy that doesn't work. >> why aren't conservatives, you know, emotionally connected to a story like that? why can't a story like that move conservatives? >> i don't understand how anyone couldn't see the pro-family

aspects of what we're talking about here and this is really something that's going to not only be good for families, but it's going to be good for the u.s. economy. we're talking about something like $5 billion being pumped just into payroll taxes as a result of the first year of this kind of relief. the opportunity here is tremendous and everyone should get behind it and i think it will have real implications for the 2016 elections if republicans come out and try to impeach the president. we're talking about impacting families and particularly latino families and asian families. the two fastest-growing electoral blocks in america deporting their parents and deporting our children. this is simply unacceptable and it's time for change. >> annette, there's got to be trust here, okay? is this the right thing for the president to do now or should he

give mitch mcconnell maybe a 30-day window once he gets in a position of leadership where the new congress to do something about it? >> no. the time is now. we absolutely must do it now and i will tell you why they don't get the family aspect of family reunification and not separation. >> they see what they call illegal immigrants which are really just regular people that are born here and separated from their family. so they see us as almost sub-human. >> a threat? >> probably. >> certainly at the electorate, no doubt about that. >> henry fernandez, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time on the subject. >> they continue to work on the keystone pipeline. keep it here. we'll be right back.

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place on the proposed keystone pipeline project are in the house, sponsored by congressman bill cassidy, who is facing mary landrieu next month in a runoff. senator landrieu co-sponsored a bill in which they will likely vote on, on tuesday. >> i think they got the message on the pipeline. i think that is why you see the current democratic majority in the senate have an epiphaepipha >> senator john hoven said he is confident they will get the votes. >> it could get called up and passed in the lame duck. if not, we'll have enough votes in the new congress based on the outcome of the election to pass it. >> white house press secretary hinted at president obama's

position on the legislation. >> the president as you recall in a speech he delivered last summer indicated that one of the factors in that review should be the entry to which a project like this would substantially contribute to the causes, that the president recommended he would veto. and that does continue to be our position. >> i am joined to the by naomi klein. and congressman from colorado, great to have you with us. naomi, do liberals in this country know where president obama stands on this with confidence? >> well, i think we -- there has just been a lot of reading of the tea leaves. i don't think we know and i think there are real concerns that he may use the fact that he is just -- has just made this rather significant deal with china on climate to sort of say okay, now we can afford to

sacrifice keystone. we're getting a lot of mixed signals, i don't think we do know but that is the concern. i think it would be a huge mistake because it would really undermine the goals that we have in that china deal. obama has passed on to his successor the really tough work of cutting emissions down the road. and if you lock in infrastructure like keystone that is carrying very carbon-intensive oil for decades to come you make that job of meeting those targets that much harder. >> congressman paullus, okay, let's just say for argument's sake he vetoes the first bill that comes his way. how long can the veto hold up because other bills are coming his way with veto on amendment. >> well, he is currently charged with making the decision under the current law. they're making sure that all the environmental laws apply. they have already changed the routing of it to make sure it

doesn't affect the aquifer, apparently there is a lot of dialogue about the pending issues and the health of the american people and what it could represent. >> naomi klein, looking at this project energy independence looks very good for america right now. why do we need this pipeline? they say it is better for the latest technology and putting it in a pipe is better than a train or a truck, what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, it is not either/or. trains don't replace pipelines, we know that now. and one of the things that is really striking is that the case against the pipeline is stronger now, much stronger now than it was when this whole debate started. at the time, well, the argument was, they're going to dig up the early oil in canada anyway, they're going to get it out one way or the other. that is not really clear right now. i just came back from calgary,

which is really ground zero for the boom. the city is panicked because the price of oil is so low that it is not clear at all that it makes economic sense to go through that very expensive process of digging up that tarry oil from the great. it is so much more expensive. we've already seen three major investors cancel projects or suspend them, stat oil has suspended a major project, so has shell and total, so it is not clear it would be dug up anyway. by saying no to keystone obama can send a very clear message we don't want the oil. >> are democrats going to push hard in congress for this? i mean, democrats don't want this. how can you be the party of recognizing climate change and putting an infrastructure in place that will bring the dirtiest oil to market? >> it is because there is no

good market. whether it is saudi arabia, or isis, fracking here at home, none of those are good answers. some may be less bad than others but the real answer is a clean, green renewable energy that will improve our health and economy. >> well, there is no doubt they say it will create jobs. mitch mcconnell said stunning, senator hoven said 42,000, i don't know why they're not excited about 200,000 jobs being created almost every month in this country for 55 straight months. >> how about the hundreds of thousands of jobs that renewable energy is already bringing to america? >> yeah, have they lost a lot of arguments, naomi? >> i think they're losing arguments all the time. including the fact that this oil is as we know it is destined for the export market. there is a glut of oil in the export market. so this is really a last ditch

effort by the investors in the tar sand to reach the asian market, i hear from china, maybe we don't want your dirty fossil fuels after all because they're switching to renewable as we in north america. >> got to run, thank you for your time tonight. that is "the ed show." politics with al sharpton starts right now. good evening. >> good evening to you, i'm live tonight in washington, d.c. we begin with breaking news. bold action planned by the president to reform our broken immigration system. "the new york times" reports president obama could protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from getting deported and he may announce his plan as soon as next week. fulfilling a promise he made in his second inaugural address. >> our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome