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no other reason. yep. i spent years not doing that. >> what was that like >> it was amazing. we had the best time. >> i'm going to try that. >> we watched videos in bed. just youtube videos. like funny things. stupid stuff. >> did you see the person impersonating matthew mcconaughey. >> no but we'll do that the next time. >> all right, all right. >> we watched the apparent kid on ellen. whatever. senior political editor sam stein is here. donny is here. in washington we got jeremy peters here. how is that >> you were right. >> what? oh, i know. >> dude is on his cell phone. >> mark my words. >> dude on his cell phone. >> he was texting, i bet before the phone call. >> so he's on the cell phone the secret service guy while the other dude is breaking towards the white house and he's on his

cell phone. he left his back up radio inside. he turned off the radio he was supposed to have on because he's on his cell phone and doesn't want -- it's unbelievable. talk about the scathing report, mika. it's just been released. >> that's the bottom line. this is on the white house security breach that happened in september. the department of homeland security faults secret service agents for nearly a dozen performance organizational and technical failures. those errors allowed omar gonzalez to jump the white house fence with a knife, run across the north lawn and enter the first family's home. he then overpowered a female secret service officer and ran across the 80-foot east room before he was apprehended. the report states the secret service' alarm system and radios did not work properly and many officers on duty didn't see gonzalez as he climbed the fence. a uniformed secret service officer with an attack dog was

allegedly talking on a cell phone instead of listening to a two way radio. his stand by radio was in his locker. >> what else i understand they had agents that drew guns on this guy and they go well we don't think he's armed. so they drew their guns. he ran past them. i think it was even an agent in the white house, inside the white house where he came in, drew his gun and said he doesn't look armed. donny, oh, my god. first of all the guy had a knife on him. that equals armed. if there had bean civilian or somebody walking around the white house he could have grabbed them. list jenks i'm sorry, i don't care who it is. if they are racing there the presumption has to be they are armed. not that they are not armed. >> either way shoot them. you're running into my house, if i have a gun i'm going take you down. it's almost beyond comprehension. >> they can teach them how to

shoot in the leg if you don't want to kill them but shoot them. >> we talked about this. let's call it a snafu to be nice. one more example. >> like a dozen snafus. >> whether it's the irs, you know, whether it's the universities administration, the secret service -- when does it get right? and it's stunning. it's really stunning. >> i think the story here really is about tablets and cell phones and as we move forward, security jobs and other jobs that demand complete focus and attention the question is are they going to be allowed to have -- >> there's also the question of why you don't shoot somebody once they are inside the white house because you're presuming they are not armed. >> i read somewhere -- i forget why there was an article i read but it said it's really a lot more complicated to shoot somebody in the leg than you think it is. at the same time don't they have taser guns or something they can

do to impede a man with a knife that's entering the white house front door or lock the door or don't go into the car with your cell phone with your k-9. >> we call president obama the president but at the end of the day he's a dad. can you imagine what must have went down that day with his kids. can you imagine? >> the guy ran right past the staircase to go upstairs where the kids are. >> that's not even the first thing. there's a shooter that shot at the white house from way down the street that they covered up essentially for a while. the first family must be just absolutely aghast. >> let's get to the big story on capitol hill. oh, boy, fireworks. i think so. are we going to see more of the same or is there going some sort of diversion from the norm. president obama said this morning he'll move to overhaul parts of the immigration system by the end of the year and it's already raising the prospect of a government shutdown within some circles of the gop. the "new york times" reports the

white house plan would prevent the deportation of as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. it would reform the role of law enforcement, add more security to the border and allow the parents of children born in the u.s. to get work documents. the plan would also boost opportunities for more legal immigrants with expertise in technology. yesterday house democrats called on the president to take decisive action fein it came without full congressional backing. some republicans are threatening a shutdown. >> let's not do that, guys. >> you got a w. big w. >> check the win box. let's see. let's listen to what they say about this because perhaps their tone shows they know they've won and time for a new approach. >> your setting somebody up here? >> no. i'm hoping what we're about to see is a real change. so they say unless there's language restricting the

president's proposal. >> will not be shutting the government down, threatening default on the national debt. >> even if he goes forward on immigration. >> will not be shutting the government down or threatening to default on the national debt. >> we're going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. all the options are on the table. we're having discussions with our members and no decision has been made as to how we will fight this. >> i think mitch mcconnell said it pretty straight. no government shutdown right, jeremy peters. >> he did although it may not be entirely his choice. john boehner once again is having to wrestle with the tea party faction in his caucus and i think what's going, what's likely to happen here is the president will wait until after congress deals with the budget to do anything, so congress, therefore, can't shut down the government in response to what the president has done on

illegal immigration but i do think there's a serious, serious amount of caution inside the republican party right now, especially among the new senate majority or the incoming senate majority that shutting down the government would completely squander all of the gains that they just made, all the goodwill that they have among the public right now. >> explain that. why do you think that is? >> i think the first thing they want to do or the first thing they do when they come back, after they are elected the majority party in congress for the first time since 2006 they come in and shut down the government. i think that would look horrible. republicans would get blamed for that. >> they did the last time. >> they certainly did. i will say it's a little bit different this time because when the president acts unilaterally on just about anything that has less public support and we've seen that in the past, this whole notion of executive action on immigration to allow these people to stay here without

going through congress, that has proven unpopular. not just in states like arkansas, but in states like colorado and iowa. i do think that's a concern for democrats. >> we're showing -- this was the republicans blame for the government shutdown last time in october of '13. we've heard a couple of republicans talk about this. but the overwhelming majority just are not going to go there. >> the senate is obviously different than house to. look what mitch mcconnell has to deal with in the senate. he has people up for re-election in very blue states. he has to grapple with that calculus. that's not the calculus that john boehner has to grapple with. but, again, even though the dynamics are different, it's not a shutdown fight would go straight to the president's desk. even those dynamics are in, i can't imagine -- >> not going to do it. >> would be coming in. >> just not going to do it.

>> much more likely put this into the law so they are going after the president for his executive actions on health care. >> take the win. don't talk about a shutdown. don't talk about impeachment. don't talk about default. you know, you're now moving towards 2016. have a chance to win the white house and keep it away from the clintons for eight more years. don't talk about those things. >> all republicans have to do is stay center right and not show. the interesting thing about this immigration thing is two fold. number one, i felt very strongly a republican win would energize obama. we saw with it net neutral thing. he's starting to double down. he's backed into a corner and coming out fighting. the immigration thing could set up the republicans to fraction themselves. you have the hispanics. the republicans started to make inroads in the last election. this will force republican

candidates how harsh do they come out against the president and now spotlight is back on the fraction republicans. >> i have a prediction. i think they let it pass. write it down. they let it pass. they are skraemg and yelling from the right. and it just becomes the law because they don't want to pass their own immigration bill. this becomes the law of the land. the people that are running in the blue states like you said the republicans running in the blue states say yeah i didn't oppose it. i didn't like the way he did it but there are some good reforms there. the right-wingers can scream and yell and say he should be impeached. people running for president the governors running for president they can all go yeah these were things that needed to happen. it sort of eases it along like the gay marriage debate, the courts are taking the gay marriage debate out of the hands of the republicans. it makes it convenient. there are a lot of republicans that to run in 2016 that will say let that pass. >> i totally agree with you.

that's the smart strategic move because it's much easier to say we're against executive action and put aside the policy. we're against presidential executive action on that scale while not dealing with the specifics of the policy. that way you don't enrage the hispanic population but you can talk about obama's overreach. simple play for mcconnell and anybody running in 2016. >> people in the right-wing districts can talk about impeachment. >> then the keystone pipeline which is set for a vote in the house today and the senate is nearing the 60 votes needed to pass it early next week. tissue was fast tracked in large part due to louisiana senate runoff between mary landrieu and bill cassidy both trying to show they can provide for the state. supporters say it will create thousands of american jobs but some analysts suggest the falling price of crude means its market value may be less than it costs to transport and produce here in the u.s. the president who retains his veto power weighed in on the issue this morning while on his

trip to asia. >> as a policy matter, my government believes that we should judge this pipeline based on whether or not it accelerates climate change or whether it helps the american people with their energy costs and their gas prices. and i have to constantly push back against this idea that somehow the keystone pipeline is either this massive jobs bill for the united states, or is somehow war on gas prices. understand what this project is. it is providing the ability of canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the gulf where it will be sold every where else. it doesn't have an impact on u.s. gas prices. >> major environmental questions as well. do you think he should veto it. >> i think if he vetoes it he

proves he's capped big money on the left. no other way to put it. you look at his own state department. they say this is more environmentally sensitive having a pipeline than continuing to allow trucks and tankers to move this oil around. they say it's going to create 45,000, 50,000 new jobs. is this going to cause this great renaissance of like american, you know, american workforce? no. >> a massive bargaining chip is that what you're saying? >> no. what i'm saying is that there's no logical reason whatsoever for the president to veto this other than hard core ideo logs on the left who spend billions of dollars on democratic campaigns. this is, donny and sam, a growing problem, i think for democrats. you know, as a republican i've

seen for some time oh, gee this issue is breaking against republicans. we talked about gay marriage before. this is an issue that will break against republicans with the younger generation. this growing energy revolution where we're going to be the number one producer of oil by 2020 will cost manufacturing and everything go down, democrats are actually on the wrong side of that issue of a historical trend and somebody has to help them, in my opinion. >> i tend to see the politics here which is that there's enough support for this thing to probably pass and the question comes what did the president get as a leverage point for it. in a logical political world couldn't you see a trade off we'll pass keystone, we'll do these environmental regulations on our coal plants. we have a net neutral carbon deal in place. we don't live in a logical political view.

>> if i'm the president i would veto this. you give me minimum wage wage increase. >> company have leveraged that for something. we're at a point where we may end up with a veto proof majority in the senate. >> the president still has the power to say i'll veto this bill, i'll send it back to you, attach $9.15 minimum wage increase to it and sign it. you'll see a lot of those republicans in the senate that are in those blue states running in 2016 saying i'll be a part of that. we'll see what the house does. >> two other political dynamics in play. joining us now from washington chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. mike, let's start with elizabeth warren. what are the expectations for her new role and then chris christie and wall street. what's going on. go. >> mika, first things first. happy friday. >> happy friday micky. >> playbook is play on birthdays

cond iis 60 and valerie jarrett is 60 today. >> it's valerie's birthday. >> happy birthday valerie. >> i knew that valerie had a birthday. >> start with elizabeth warren. >> elizabeth warren is coming to the democrats rescue. these democrats are so reluctant, dragging their feet in voting for harry reid as their leader so there's so much excitement about her. she's been added to leadership. she has the made up title of senior policy adviser to the senate democrats. but she came out talking about working families, bashing wall street. you saw where that was going. also yesterday at the mandarin oriental here in d.c. you saw her talking to big democratic donors saying run, liz, run. a lot of excitement about her, pushing her for president among some of the biggest check books in the democratic party.

>> what's going on between chris christie and wall street? >> they are worried about what this story calls as unusual frankness. the big question is that a liability for him or an asset. chris christie is feeling great coming off these big republican governor wins. he feels bridgegate is behind him. republican donors are ppra"gma" ists. >> what do you think? >> i think he's got a temp temperament problem. >> wall street sees that. we never elected an angry person.

>> zero chance this guy will get elected. >> he's not a thug. you know, we went after the teacher. >> fantastic. >> you're asking about my kids and where they go to school. went to a town hall meeting and starting screaming at that guy in the crowd. that's like wall street people didn't say good for him. he can send his kids to a damn catholic school if he wants to. you start yelling at people in press conferences. >> where was the line. you knew he would cross it at some point. >> so it just seemed off kilter. scott walker there's a reason he's scott walker. scott walker won. he's won in wisconsin now three times in four years. his star is now eclipsed, chris christie's with most conservatives i talked to and money people. and even in the "wall street journal" today, they were

talking this is scott walker's moment. >> you end up getting to know the people you cover. you become friends with some of them. i've talked about this. the romneys, the clintons, the obamas, we criticize them a lot. we're also very friendly with them. and they come back sometimes after the most, the biggest -- >> oh, my gosh. let me put it this way. i tore mitt romney to shreds in 2012 for one of the most ineffective lousy campaigns and mocked him and laughed at him when he did really stupid things on the campaign trail. just sort of having fun. you know what? the romneys never once took it personally. and we talked and i would say hey listen -- we kept communications open. we consider them good friends. we love them. >> this was on big stuff.

like running for the president. >> running for the president. chris christie on the bridge thing. we catched so much hell for being supportive of chris christie, mika especially. >> we generally like him. >> he walks past at parties, he's angry because there was that 1% that said well inis bad -- again this is a question of temperament. if you got a problem with mika supporting you only 99% of the time you got a problem. >> mike is laughing. >> 99% of the time. what does that tell you, seriously >> to be honest he's a jerk. >> no he's not a jerk. he's very thin skinned. >> governor of wisconsin scott walker will join us. scott is coming on even though sometimes i'm tough on him. >> you've been very tough on scott walker. >> actor alan alda, and retired

nba basketball star y ao ming will join us. we'll tell you why george w. bush is calling out bill clinton on instagram. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. turn the trips you have to take,

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crash because i overslept. i may be late once in a while not as much as i used to. i'm never late because i oversleep. that first event, that's a one event you have complete control over. >> so, i think it's also a man/woman thing. i think women are always on time. >> your're so punctual. >> went come late and waste time talking about stupid stuff. >> "wall street journal" indicates justice department collecting data from thousands of phones from devices installed on small airplanes. the airplanes are equipped with dirty boxes that have technology smim lar to cell phone towers

allowing the home track calls. this report says while spy planes are targeting criminals a large number of innocent americans are also getting snagged by their dirty boxes. >> "los angeles times," amazon has reached a deal over ebook and print sales after a huge six month -- >> is it a good deal? >> hatchet can set their own prices for ebooks which may help keep the struggling publisher afloat. amazon will continue sales of hatchet books. >> there's a lot of competition. >> authors got squeezed in that. >> "the washington post," the presidential bromance between bill clinton and george w. bush has spilled over to social media. clinton sparked somewhat of a hash tag dual when he tweet ad photo of himself reading his successor's book. clinton called it a touching tribute before using a hash tag

asking how are you still not on twitter. bush took to instagram writing thanks 42, using hash tags how are you still not on instagram and brother from another mother. >> instagram is cooler. >> kind of hip. but bill clinton's advisers obviously trying to keep you from posting pictures. you can understand, right? >> yes. >> all right. >> bush also had this to say about a potential 2016 match up between his brother and hillary clinton. >> i still would like him if jeb beats hillary. >> your betting on that? >> if jeb runs. i don't know if he'll run, i really don't. i hope does because he would be a great president. >> there you go. >> like when your son is competing against your best friend's wife. >> it's just a little too close.

>> sibling. >> unbelievable. >> coming up. excited for the american electorate. 25 years later we get another bush/clinton. please. just bury the white house now. unbelievable. we're all doomed. republican leaders shift positions. his may be the most important. senator roger wicker. hotty toddy. how o le miss beat crimson tide. >> what the top columnists in the nation are writing about. don't go away. we'll be back with much more "morning joe".

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joining us for the must read op-eds, eugene robinson. what are your looking at? >> i have peggy noonan here. "wall street journal." peggy writes this.

i'm really skeptical. she said it's possible the president is responding to changed circumstance with a certain rigidity because no one of stood in his way before. he had family challenges and an unusual childhood but as an adult and a professional he never faced fierce concentrated resistance. he was always magic. life never came in and gave it to him hard in the swrau. he done know how to get up from the mat. he doesn't know how to struggle frl his feet and regain his balance. he only knows how to throw punches but you can't throw a punch from the mat. gene, i'll let you take that. >> i'm very skeptical of all this sort of -- it was his childhood. this pop psychoanalyzing this president and other presidents is basically pretty worthless. i'm a great admirer of peggy's writing -- >> me too. >> but this one i don't get.

also keep in mind the president of the united states is never really on the mat. the president of the united states is still the president of the united states and can, for example, as he did this week make this sort of landmark climate deal with china that will have huge implications. he can do it on his own powers because we give the president a lot of power. i think it's a mistake to read short term political game loss and say the president is on the mat. he's done. he can't do this. he can't do that. he can do a lot. >> it's easy to look at other people's careers and say it came easy for that person and their lives and that's not ever fair or true. having said that to defend this point, i think when he came in he was so absolutely idolized that it might have been hard to imagine that he would have a hard time. >> running against the clintons not easy. >> the guy got elected in 2004. and he was state senator.

he got basically the primetime spot as a state senator on the democratic national convention in boston. nobody gets that. as a state senator. >> his speech in europe. >> hold on. let me finish my point. he gets elected to the senate. everybody says including harry reid he's bored a month later and decides he wants to run for president of the united states when he's in the senate. he doesn't do any work in the senate. as harry reid said you're bored you just need to get out of here and then he gets elected president and, of course, it's tough. yes it's tough. but come on. this guy politically i'm not going to talk personally but politically this guy has been on a magic carpet ride. he's gone to the best institutions on the planet. and went to a great prep school in high school. >> you talking about george w. bush or obama. >> i'm talking about barack obama which, by the way, thank you for making my point. george w. bush had a similar

problem. he rode on a magic carpet ride from the time he was young. compare that, sam stein, to bill clinton. who really did have a rough and tumble. he scratched, he clawed and he got elected in arkansas and he had to fight like hell for his political life every day. >> that's a great point. >> i'll give you a little more time to try to come up with something to go against that because i'm so right. sam, you first. >> let's separate the personal from the political. politically you're probably right. >> i don't know the personal. >> we do know about the personal. he wrote a whole book about the absence of his father in his life. that's a challenge enough in your life. it's an obstacle that a lot of people don't overcome. >> that's why i said political. >> we started with the column. now to your point yeah i think there's something valid to be

said if you're from a blue state, if you've not run, you know, really contested elections he lost his first election for congress that you don't learn the art of the compromise, you don't learn what it's like to negotiate when you're in a bad position, sure i think that's fine. but he has overcome some fairly decent political obstacles which you have to recognize. hillary clinton is not a formidable opponent. >> name me a president, joe, who doesn't come in to office with the possible exception of harry truman who comes into office think i'm really special, they love me. >> gene, they were talking in my ear when you were making the point. ask me the question again. >> name a president with a possible exception of harry truman who has come in to office not thinking i'm special. they really love me. i can do everything. it's an occupational hazard. it comes with the office.

all of a sudden you're president of the united states and you have the, you know, u.s. government at your beck and call and they play hail to the chief whenever you walk into the room. so, yes, it goes to your head because it goes to everybody's head and you think well of course people ought to, you know, ought to accept what i say and i'm just saying -- >> so everybody gets drunk with that power when they walk through the white house. i've had this discussion with people inside this white house saying do you really think the bu bushs didn't think the same thing. when things go bad what political background do you have to fall back on. richard nixon had a political background to fall back on. he learned the wrong lessons from that. bill clinton again the best example. >> scrappy. >> got elected in '78. lost in 1980 he went too far left. self-corrected and was governor for another 12 years of arkansas. he got elected in '92.

conquering hero. two years later he got laid out. adjusted radically. he had that in his background. barack obama doesn't. >> speaking -- >> i'm sorry. >> speaking -- >> okay. >> don't get the hook. >> with us now from -- >> speaking of a magic carpet ride i mean my god. this guy. republican senator from mississippi, senator roger wicker joins us. he's the incoming chairman of the national republican senatorial committee. >> roger we'll talk about the senatorial committee and what you'll be doing over the next two very difficult years for you. but first we need to talk about the sec west. no sec west has lost any team outside of the sec west and we should be number one through four in the playoffs. >> for once i want florida state to play a whole season in the sec west and see how they do. >> oh, my gosh florida state

would have about five losses by now. let's talk about, you for some reason decided to take on one of the tougher tasks in the republican party. we fought, we republicans fought on our grounds on our home field in 2014. 2016 is the opposite. this is a senate map dotted in blue states. what do republicans have to do to win those blue states. >> first of all the reason the map is so tough for us is because we did so well in 2010. so, we have 24 seats to defend and, you know, i feel real good about mark kirk being re-elected in illinois, pat toomey in pennsylvania. new hampshire looks good for us. you take them one by one i think we can defend. >> you're talking about a lot of states, those where the voters, especially the swing voters that come out in '16 won't take kindly to government shutdowns

and threats of impeachments and defaults. do you agree with mitch mcconnell that there's no way in heck that the republican party is going to shut down the government? >> you know they asked mitch two ways about that and the answer was the same, we're not going to have any government shutdowns, we're not going to have any threats of impeachment. we're going return to regular order and show america how the senate is supposed to work, how the founding fathers intended us to move legislation through, an open process, unlimited debate, working in to the night, working on mondays and fridays for a change like the american people do and sending legislation to the house and on to the president for, hopefully his signature. >> jeremy? >> hi, senator. good morning. congratulations. i won, one of the races you didn't mention is nevada where harry reid is up in 2016. if he chooses to run again, will you guys go after him with the same force that he went after mitch mcconnell this time around. >> well absolutely. but you know more importantly i

think that the citizens of nevada will go after harry reid. i think he's out of step with state. we had a real good run this year in the governor's race, lieutenant governor's race and captured a lot of the down state tickets. so to me that state is going republican. i think governor sandoval has a real good opportunity now after a great run as governor, perhaps to run for senator. so, i'm really, frankly i'll say this. i think harry reid may decide to retire. that's my prediction. >> let us see. >> all right. senator roger wicker great to have you on the show. >> thank you roger. >> eugene robinson thank you as well. >> thank eugene. >> thanks. >> gene set me straight. you made me a wiser man. >> comfort food. >> i don't know what that means at all.

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parents and when your parents had you. this process of change is called evolution. it's the reason why we look the way we look. >> a clip from the emmy award-winning series bill nye the science guy focused on evolution. evolution and the science of creation. it's author bill nye joins us now the book already doing well. >> yes. number eight. >> that is good. tell us about the book. why did you write it? >> to change the world. >> really? >> and has the world been sufficiently changed. >> we'll see. >> is it over? >> so evolution is the fundamental life in all of life sipes and we have a large fraction of people most advanced nation in the world that don't accept it. >> that's his party, by the way. his crazy whacky party. just saying. >> we have more in common -- we're more alike than different.

>> exactly. thank you, bill nye. >> that's one of the points of evolution that really in a sense no such thing as race. >> tell his crazy party that also. >> donny, we'll have to pull you from the set. >> for example, just by way of example, just run the star experiment. if a norwegian woman interacts -- can we say interact. >> yes. >> what do we mean by interact. >> have sex, procreate. >> from guinea you'll get a human not a new thing. this is sort of a fundamental idea. >> let's get to the crux of your book. what do you want to accomplish here? what message do you want to send? >> that evolution is the fundamental idea in life science

and it's humbling and empowering. when you realize you're a product of trial and error then i hope you cut yourself some slack. everybody you've ever met has made it this far. everybody you've ever met is good enough to get here. even my old boss. it's that simple. i was never sure. >> let me ask you a question. does the fact that fewer people are believing in evolution suggesting we aren't evolving. >> the pendulum will swing. see here's what keeps the united states in the game economically. we don't manufacture things here the way they did when i was a kid or especially when my father was a kid. what keeps us in the game is innovation. new ideas. if you want an iphone, if you want that computer you're enjoying, if you want that plastic that your boston red sox cup is made out of, you got to have innovators, new ideas,

scientist, engineers. engineers make things and to solve problems. if you have a group of people that continually suppresses science, then you'll fall behind economically. this is why i'm concerned about young people. >> so, i am a southern baptist, orthodox in my believe. terrible southern baptist. >> i'm not keeping record. >> black sliding southern baptist. you're not the one to keep records, the big man is. this debate has always come up and it's always been either or, black or white. you either believe in jesus or you believe in evolution. you either believe in god or, blah, blah, blah. the pope said something a couple of weeks ago that i've been saying since i've been 8 years old, why does there have to be a conflict. if you believe in the power of god, you believe god has the power to set events in motion. how helpful was the pope's

statement. >> it was good. it's good. also good that the pope accepted the findings of g alileo. this organization especially in kentucky has this diligent and complete program to indoctrinate young people that the earth is somehow magically 6,000 years old and it's not. it can't be. so if you question that when you question everything in geology. like the philae spacecraft, amazing thing. billions of kilometers out in space. taking astonishing pictures. if there's an steroid or comet with our name on it we need a space program to give it a nudge. if you don't believe in this stuff you won't do anything about it. >> i saw are a me ged don't. >> the book is -- >> don't want to blow it up. give it a nudge. >> bill nye, thank you so much.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." don't you love this song? can't hardly wait for replacements. the ending of what i believe to be the best rock album of the 1980s. >> a bold statement. >> "pleased to meet you." >> it's a great record. >> managing editor of bloomberg politics john heileman, good to have you on board. >> hi there. >> don't you get happy when john shows up? >> i do. >> the whole set gets elevated. >> the pixie dust i sprinkle every where. >> that's what you call it? >> that's what i call it. >> senator mitch mcconnell's argument for re-election was opportunity to become majority leader and now that's a reality. >> despite some senators refusal to say who they would back, mcconnell was elected unanimously. harry reid was elected senator minority leader but politico reports he had to convince some

skeptical democrats he would be more open to policy and messaging. some members tried to delay the vote and six defect preponderance of the evidence when asked if he shouldered some of the blame for the senate flipping reid said does anybody in nebraska know me or kansas? >> yes, they do. can i answer that for him? yes, they do. they don't like you. >> stop. >> in fact, they know you a lot more than they know the koch brothers and the people that gave you hundreds of millions of dollars to win the election from the democrats they are very angry at you because you blew all of their money chasing after the koch brothers and making it personal. you should have watched the godfather. never make it personal. he made it personal. he cost the democrats a lot of seats. >> i just don't think he was asked. i don't know. he also says i don't think it had much to do with me. >> it had everything to do with me. >> people don't know who i am. he created a position for

senator elizabeth warren as a policy adviser in a nod to the progressive wing of the party. >> they like her. >> house minority leader pell was elected again but unleashed a long rebuttal when a reporter asked if she considered stepping aside when the democrats failed to make the majority for a third election. >> what was the day that any of you said to mitch mcconnell when they lost the senate three times in a row. aren't you getting a little old, mitch, shown you step aside? have you ever asked him that question? have you ever asked, have any of you ever asked him that question? so i don't understand why that question should even come up. i'm here as long as my members want me to be here. it's just as interesting as a woman to see how many times that question is asked of the woman and humanities that question is never asked of mitch mcconnell. >> mika, is that fair? >> yeah. in a big way. the question is has it been asked of mitch mcconnell? i don't know the answer. >> he's never been majority

leader before. >> but has it been asked in other -- i think it's a very good point. >> it's a good question to raise except for the fact if mitch mcconnell had lost this time, i think you know, that would have been third, fourth time in a row, then i think the question would have been asked of mitch mcconnell. i think mitch mcconnell would have been run out of town. >> i love nancy pelosi. i consider myself a feminist. i didn't see that as a gender related question. mitch mcconnell lost he would have been asked. >> would have asked the question of john boehner whether he should stay there or not and nancy's place here you got to look at the fact republicans have more seats in the u.s. house than they've had since 1929 and certainly at that point you have to start asking questions do we need to get new leadership? we ran newt out of town and we had a majority of four. >> if you listen to the rest of

the bite because it's amazing she goes on to make this point which is accurate as we discovered yesterday. she points out that they have not put on the cover of "time" magazine when she became the first female speaker of the house in the history of the house of representatives on the day that the republicans won and boehner became speaker he was on the cover of "time." last week when the senate became republican mcconnell was put on the cover of "time." she goes on length on this topic. she never occupied the cover of "time" magazine solo. it doesn't have to do with these questions whether she should step down now. but she had a burr under her saddle and not wrongly comparing the attention that those leaders got. >> i would agree because jeremy i was on the floor the day she got sworn in as the first female speaker of the house. it was an extraordinary day. >> that's right. i don't think you with minimize the very real hurdles and bias

she has faced, any woman in politics in a leadership position. that said i've been there when that question has been asked of mitch mcconnell. i know it has been asked. >> there you go. >> the other thing is that before the election, we were hearing very real concern, kind of nervousness that if republicans lost just how much bedlam would let loose and there would be a leadership purge, i garage you. >> i heard more discussion about ronald reagan running for office and being president in '69 than i've heard to date about hillary clinton. i don't see it. >> speaking of today top clinton aides, friends and donors with an eye to 2016 will descend on the bill clinton presidential library. they are celebrating its tenth anniversary. event also reflects the talk of the next potential clinton campaign another white house run by the former first lady. still there's some concern that democrats are getting ahead of themselves. during panel discussion former obama adviser david axelrod

urged the former secretary of state to quote get out of the cocoon of inevitableability. he added i think the danger for secretary clinton is that as was the case in 2007, her zandcy is out in front of the rationale for it. does it match? >> it's a fair statement. >> good way of putting it. >> she did not have a clear rationale in 2007 other than it was her turn and she was the inevitable candidate. that was a huge problem for her. she eventually found the message but too late in the spring of 2008. right now a lot is demanded of her to come up with a message early. she still has time. david's point seeing right at this moment beyond now it's her turn, her time there's not a clear articulating rationale for the candidacy. >> how do you get out of the

cocoon of inevitableilty. >> you shouldn't have come out with a book. >> how do you know everybody assumes you are. >> elizabeth warren has got to stake out her turf because there's no assumptions she will be the candidate. if you're hillary clinton you have to act as if. you run a successful business even when it's doing great as if it's in trouble. that's what you have to do with a presidential campaign. the great key to success in business even when you're on top run it as if you're going out of business. >> run scared. >> ask yourself the question, right now if elizabeth warren decided tomorrow she was going run for president nobody would have any lack of clarity why she was running. you could explain that in two sentences. right now hillary clinton you can't explain in two sentences. >> one of the famous moments, mika, in presidential history over the past 30, 40 years was when ted kennedy was going to

run in 1980 and everybody presumed he was going to destroy jimmy carter and he was interviewed by roger mudd who he considered to be a friend and roger mudd asked him the question, why do you want to be president? and it was the most pained tortured awkward response. he could not answer that simple question. and bluntly his presidential campaign never really took off and never recovered. hillary clinton right now couldn't answer that question. if somebody got a microphone in her face and asked her why do you want to run for president it might be the same thing. she couldn't even promote a book this summer. >> that's my question. >> without falling over herself. i'm wondering for somebody who has world renowned status like bill and hillary clinton they are known internationally, their name recognition will never go away. >> right. >> if for the past two years she had not come out with a book, had taken time off, kind of

disappeared almost and gone into hiding, do whatever she needs to do to sort of recover from serving as secretary of state which is a recovery process, it's exhausting, those jobs, would she be in a weaker position to run or a stronger one when she comes out of the box? >> if i were in her position -- >> or a book that comes out later on a real issue. >> if i were in her position i would be glad that i went on the book tour and had as many mistakes as i had because that would tell me boy i am not in mid-season form. this is not june of 2008. i better get ready this time. so maybe it was a disastrous pre-season. >> that was useful. >> and that's going to be useful. >> she was good on the stump for candidates this fall not to the point where she has a rationale for a candidacy. she was going good. she was very good --

>> what would she have lost by not doing anything? >> very hard for her, i think, to dropout of sight and go into a reclusive posture. >> she was campaigning, basically, in a shadow campaign form, coming out with a book. what would she have lost -- >> had not written the book? not very much. she might have learned a lot. she learned a lot even from the mistakes she made. >> as much as it's rationale, part of the problem is obama. you have to be -- she was part of his administration. he's been in office for years or will have been. clearly voters have soured on the guy. if he's in bad straits with poll numbers. >> you give us the answer. >> just tired of people just are ready to change. >> that's what i mean. >> it's as simple as that. her picture comes on, i just want to see -- >> she and jeb bush represent, i

really do believe this, a sort of sclerosis that's not only begun to clog up washington, d.c. that doesn't work, but american society at large. look at the fact that the rich keep getting richer. poor keep getting poorer. washington doesn't work. the irs doesn't work. the va doesn't work. there are no new ideas. this was the most shallow campaign that's ever been run other than the one that was run two years before that, other than the one that was run two years before that. they are campaigns about nothing but spending more and more money, more and more crony capitalism, more and more about k street throwing in money and wall street throwing in money and your answer is for an american electorate that are starving for something new, another bush and another clinton 25 years later. it's like south america somebody said in the 19th-century.

think about this. a bush in the white house in 1980. in 1984. in 1988. a clinton '92. a clinton in '96. a bush in 2000. a bush in 2004. not eight, not 12, in 16, in 20 you would have had a bush or clinton in the white house in 36 of 44 years. that is the definition of political sclerosis and that, to spend half a century that way between two warring political families, that is about as bad of a condemnation on this constitutional republic as i could imagine. >> except they are not warring. they are. >>gram friends. >> that makes it worse. actually that makes it worse. >> don't forget the last clinton in the state department. >> there's new information coming in on the fight against isis. iraqi officials tell the associated press that government

forces have just driven isis militant from a key oil refinery town 140 miles north of baghdad. isis is joining forces with an al qaeda linked group in syria. according to the ap the militants met at at that farmhouse last week and audiotape goode to stop fighting each other. new audiotape which nbc has not yet verified suggests leader of isis was not severely injured or killed in an air strike. joining us from across the syrian border in turkey, nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard? >> reporter: well, a lot of things that you just mentioned. first, the town where isis has been holding on to a key oil refinery the iraqi army has been trying to take it for months. according to iraqi officials justin last 24 hours or so they have managed to take another portion of the town, but frankly iraqi officials have claimed

this before. the iraqi government does not have much credibility in announcing its offensives. i would give it more time to see how much they really control the town and how much authority they have on the ground. the other report that isis and this al qaeda-linked front in syria are now making peace, eve also heard that before. those groups have a very similar ideology but they've had leadership issues in the past and it is not clear at all that they are now on the same sheet. i think eventually that will happen but i'm not sure if it's happened yet. in terms of the latest abu bakr al-baghdadi audiotape, i think that is probably the clearest development that we have so far. this is a recording, sounds very much like abu bakr al-baghdadi. in it he's making new threats, calling for new recruits and certainly does not sound as iraqi officials said last week that he was killed. >> you can catch richard engel

recording the battle against isis tonight at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. richard, thank you very much. and jeremy peters, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," alan alda, governor scott walker and yao ming join the conversation. plus kim kardashian's break the internet moment will finally be addressed here on "morning joe." >> we've been waiting. >> you know who will help us with this? suzie essman. she joins us in a few minutes. an odd couple for the ages. what brought the world's tallest and shortest living men. we'll being right back. >> love that picture.

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we want something else. >> it is now, we got emmy award winners alan alda and candice bergen. that's huge. they are now sharing the stage in the broadway show "love letters." this is an extraordinary concept. it's not fathom of the opera. there's not fog. a lot of broadway lately has become catchy and effects with people dangling from the audience. concept here pretty radical by 2014 standards. i can't wait to see it. tell us about it. >> we come out on stage and we read the letters between these two people who met in -- >> fourth grade. >> fourth grade. and then their letters extend over their whole lives and in the course of that you find out that they have never -- they are drawn to each other just like any two people in the world, they are drawn to each other but

can't quite fall into total sync. >> it's two actors you don't ever look at the other actor u-sit facing the audience side-by-side at a desk. it sounds thrilling, doesn't it? >> it actually does. you all just sort of look at each other for a little bit at the end, right? >> i never see her. never see her. the brilliance of this, your can't describe it. you got to experience it. the brilliance of the writing is such that given this minimal thing we're describing of the way we do it, you feel these people's lives. >> you go through christmas cards and you go through all this correspond and you always wonder was true love a lot closer to me than -- >> they are more in love than they know they are in ways that they don't understand. >> when we think about the two you doing this, who signed on first. did you know, candice that al

was going to do it? >> we have the same agent. >> there are different pairings doing this. how did you know you guys would get to be this love couple. >> we both said yes. that's the way it works in life. you have to say yes you just can't not say no. >> at the same time knowing you guys -- >> it just seemed ideal. >> the addition of the audience has been so much fun. >> it helps a lot. >> they not only laugh all through the play which sometimes came as a surprise to us because lines we thought were just normal speech turned out to be funny. because we are just playing the scene. but then you get the audience, when these characters get in trouble, last night a woman started sobbing and you could hear it from the stage. one night when they got in trouble a guy in the house went, oy! >> just quickly about the black list. >> yeah. >> i lost my head on the black

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and i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if, in fact, congress failed to act i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. and that's going to happen. the minute they pass a bill that i can sign, that fixes our immigration system, then any executive actions i take are replaced. >> i had maybe naively hoped the president would look at the results of the election and decide to come to the political center and do some business with us. i still hope he does at some point. but the early signs are not good. let me tell you who did get the message. and that was senate democrats. i think they got the message on the keystone pipeline. that's why you've seen the current majority in the senate have an epiphany and have a vote

that they have been blocking. >> president obama and mitch mcconnell talking about immigration and keystone pipeline two big topics dominating the conversation on capitol hill. one of the lawmakers who helped give republicans control of the senate, senator-elect cory gardner of colorado. congratulations, sir. >> congratulations, cory. great to have you with us. we heard so many great things about you. many people said you ran the best campaign of 2014. that's like going on the air and saying i'm not a witch. >> had a lot of good people around me. >> one of the things that was striking to me on election night, when you won, you know, so many times people get elected and they clinch their fist and say this is our time. but you said something that really stuck out to me and i thought it was great. you said this isn't about republicans, this isn't about democrats, this is about a washington that doesn't work. we have to fix it. how important do you think that was to your victory, not some

ideological wave. >> i think it's the colorado way. if you look at colorado in 20808, 2010, 2014, this is a state that's electing people based on what they think they will do to break the gridlock not what they will do for their party or deposition or republicans and that's what we have to do as a whole as a nation as congress is making sure we're approaching at any time same way for all of america. >> we covered your race closely. i talked about the "denver post" endorsemen. what did do you when you opened up the newspaper and found out the "denver post" had endorsed you. >> i'll never forget where i was. i was at a press conference with the governor. we were at one of the roads that had been destroyed in the flooding last year. and my staff came up and told me right there and i was stunned. so for the first time at a press conference i was really, really quiet. they were very happy with me. >> let me go down the checklist here. unfortunately, there's some voices out there that mitch

mcconnell doesn't appreciate. talk of a government shutdown. is there anyway you could support a government shutdown or a default on the debt as mitch mcconnell was saying yesterday there's no way he ever could. >> absolutely not. there's no time, place or purpose of a government shutdown or default. that's ridiculous. something that a mature governing body doesn't even contemplate. so over the next several weeks, over the next several days as we put together that agenda the first 100 days of accomplishment to the american people, we ought to make it very clear that simply is not acceptable. >> if republicans have a rob with immigration then they need to take it up that way and not by shutting down the government >> republicans need have a solution. republicans have to have ideas on immigration reform. i support immigration reform making sure we start where american people want to it start, border security. bring a small guest worker program because that has to be part and parcel of border security. but to simply say no i believe is unacceptable. just to say no to everything is

unacceptable. that's the message that american people sent on tuesday night. the president needs to do the right thing and work with congress. >> you say you just can't say no to everything. what issues do you think you can meet in the middle on that perhaps your party didn't do so much of in the past. >> i think there's opportunities to put a number of bills on the president's desk in a bipartisan fashion whether it's the keystone pipeline that we're about to do with bill cassidy or making sure we repeal the medical device tax, making sure we're putting solutions forward to grow our economy, get our country back to work and prove to the american people that tuesday night's lessons won't be forgotten. i said on election night coloradans are not red or blue but krystol clear like the rocky mountain air. they want congress to do its job and get out of the way. >> i'm curious the exit polls were screwed up in colorado. we don't know in a definitive way what percentage of the hispanic vote you got.

have you guys done that, do you know what the answer? >> there's various reports showing higher than what mitt romney had in terms of 2012 but the bottom line is this. we were reaching out. we went into the hispanic communities across colorado in one county in pueblo county in colorado one of the largest counties in the state, we did very well. in fact i think we may have tied with senator udall or lost by a couple hundred votes. we made significant inroads and because we've talked about the need to grow our economy, education, opportunities, things we can do together. >> if the president goes ahead and goes this executive action on immigration do you feel the next step is for congress to take it up as he's suggesting and try to do a bill that would meet the president's criteria have a pathway to citizenship or do you think immigration reform be dead if he goes ahead and does this executive action. >> i hope to president will do the right in this. tuesday night sent the message to all of us we should work

together. to me the right thing isn't to use a bully pulpit to force your way or maintain the monopoly because you think your ideas are the only ideas. the bottom line the house and senate should work together. people said we've tried to do that. it can take time. let's get together. let's work. let's use this new era of goodwill if that's what you want to call it as an opportunity to do something instead of talking about it or do things that create bigger problems. >> congratulations on winning. your position of work together. what do you say to a ted cruz in your party who basically says the president is a man of lawlessness, we need to repeal health care, the entire direction of the party should be to stop president obama at any cost. so, let's give mr. cruz a little religion, if you will, on kind of your -- >> what's your obsession with ted cruz. seriously. everybody in the mainstream media brings up ted cruz. >> everything is opposite -- >> ted cruz is like alone in his

own caucus. >> i want this new wave. >> he's running for president. >> i want this new wave of republican main stay to say like people like me say boy you were out of line. >> cory, donny wants you to correct a sitting senator before you even are sworn in. >> that's how you make a lot of friends. one of things i think we have to do is simply this. republicans can't object posed to everything. if we're opposed to something let's come up with an idea how we do it better or why our ideas are better in terms of not doing that but doing something different. what we have to do is present that opportunity front, the opportunity agenda, the ways we can do something that matters to the american people. we can't simply say no or be opposed. that i hope is the new way forward for the next two years. >> that's the message for ted cruz. >> for all of us. >> that's the message to american people.

>> he's stirring the pot. >> there's an obsession with ted cruz you and so many people on the left have. >> ted cruz feeds it. >> senator, chow what he stands for, he stands for running for president and getting a conservative faction to follow him that feel disenfranchised up. >> senator i want to follow up on what john was asking. i want to get more specifics out of you which is if you do respond, the republican party does respond to the president with some sort of immigration reform plan to supersede his executive action what do you envision is in that plan. >> i haven't been part of those discussions with the senate or house leadership in what they would do to supersede any kind of executive order. we heard people talk about what it may or may not be. bottom line is we have this opportune in time for the president to do the right thing. to work with congress and the

house and senate and for republican leadership, republicans in the house and senate come together and realize we have to do something. whatever the president does by executive order it won't be the kind of fixes we need to the overall system to make sure it's built to last for the next 30 to 40 years instead of having the pieces and parts that we have today. >> let me skit another way. i know you don't want to shut down the government. there's been some news reported that house republicans may consider a lawsuit over it. is that something that you think is appropriate? >> again, i don't know who is considering a lawsuit and i don't know the extent of executive power. the bottom line is this instead of charging each other with lawsuits or executive action or abuses of power why don't we do what the american people sent us to do, let's work together. be the grown ups in the room. get the job done. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, cory. great to have you with us. senator cory gardnering thank you. bob costas wrote in "the

washington post" that's what john boehner will do. let the courts decide. which seems actually if you got a political question that seems like the way to do it. >> bob costas is not covering football. >> robert costas. >> coming up, our next guest explains what the mid-term elections were really about. >> donny -- >> orchestrate my god look at this. comedian and actress suzie essman from curve joins us next. a secure retirement. a new home. earning your diploma.

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♪ hey. >> yeah. >> is this something >> yeah. congratulations. >> thank you. >> beautiful house. >> so come on i'll give you tour. >> that's okay. in get it. >> what do you mean? >> you know, bedrooms, bathrooms. i get it. i see it. it's beautiful. it's great. >> you don't want a tour? >> you don't need to walk me around. [ bleep ] get out of my house larry. get the [bleep] >> fine i'll take tour.

>> i'm done. i'm over it. i'm turned off. leave. get the [ bleep ] out. okay. >> i'm turned off. leave. joining us now from "curb your enthusiasm," comedian susie essman. >> who says no to a house tour? was i wrong? >> no. >> i do feel -- >> you know what, though, everybody is like -- larry does what everybody wants to do. >> exactly. where is larry. >> he's in l.a. but he'll be back because he has a new broadway play starting february 2nd. yesterday. die the voice over. i know the exact dates. >> how much of that is good. is it like okay you guys are going to fight about a house tour. >> it will say something like larry comes in, gives something to jeff. susie says want a tour of the

house, larry says no, susie gets mad. i'm turned off we just make it up. >> susie, you're at the comedy club tonight, tomorrow. i have a feeling you're going to talk about kim kardashian. >> i'm not. i don't talk about -- because i don't care. that's all she's got. let her flaunt it. what else does she have? that's her talent. >> look how big that blur has to be. >> donny, don't you think she's kind a brilliant advertising person? >> actually, her mom is actually -- although i did, one night, i have to say this, i was on leno. following them. >> oh, my god. >> i turned to her and she said, what's your brand? and she said, my fans. so the answer's no. but her mother's brilliant actually. >> i don't talk about -- i can't give them energy. it annoys me that i even know who they are. >> why does it annoy you? >> because why do i have them in my head? why do i know their napes? i don't follow them.

why are they taking up space in my head? >> exactly. why? what have they done to us? because i know -- i know kris, the mom. and then the kids, kourtney and -- i know this stuff. >> why, why? >> because you can't avoid it. >> i've somehow avoided it. >> no you haven't. who's kim kardashian. what size panties does she wear? you know. >> i don't know. so what are you going to talk about? >> tonight? >> yeah. >> i never know. i'll probably talk about my kids and my husband and my mother who's driving me crazy. >> you got four kids. three of them out of the house. not sure what they were doing. i was asking if they were coke dealers. you said they could be. >> well, you never know what you're doing. >> you never know with kids. you do know you're not paying their rent. >> no, it's incredible. three out of the four. by the way, the empty nest, which you have not experienced yet, every day feels like you're

on vacation. >> really? >> it's amazing. they'll all be home thanksgiving. what's going to happen is all of a sudden what are we doing for dinner? what's for dinner? like i'm the menu planner. they live on their own. they shop, they cook. they come home -- >> they revert. >> three meal, a day, i have to plan. >> you don't miss them? >> no. look, i had dinner with them the other night in the city. i love the adult relationship. i still pick up the check, you know, and then we go to the supermarket and i pay for everything there. but when i'm not there, they're on their own. >> i've been having kids for 26 years. >> you did it wrong. >> i will never be an empty nester. >> how old is your youngest? >> 6. >> i have a 7-year-old. i love it. >> it's wrong at your age, donny. it's so wrong. >> joe, why do i have the kids, you know. >> because donny actually uses the kids, like a lot of people -- >> they're props. >> in college, guys buy cute puppy dogs, walk them across the quad. donny actually had kids, he

actually gets women pregnant because he wanted three, four, five years from now, to be able to go through central park and pick up women. >> he's right. >> he uses his children as props. >> donny, again -- >> -- pathetic human beings. >> i do love them. >> if that's the only way you can get women. what's going to happen is they're going to see your kids, they're going to see you, they're going to think you're grandpa. you have to explain yourself. it's not going to be pretty in the end. >> they think i'm a renaissance man. >> they think you're grandpa. >> good lord. >> can i say honestly i understand the old guys wanting younger women, but i find it absolutely repulsive. >> i always date age appropriate women. >> really? >> i'm not that old, first of all. >> uh-huh. okay, sure. >> 47 is not that old, okay. >> 47? >> 47 is not -- >> get out of here. in what lifetime. >> i'm going to be 57. >> he's lived a rough life.

>> what is your tinder profile say? >> i'm not on tinder. >> liar. >> all right, so susie, when you're talking tonight and you're doing your stand-up routine, you're not going to go the kim kardashian route and you say you don't know who taylor swift is. but you stay away from pop? >> i don't stay away from anything. it's just what's interesting to me. taylor swift doesn't enter me. >> does ted cruz? >> ted cruz interests me. the fact that joe is a denier of ted cruz. >> yes. >> thank you. >> joe's humiliated by the existence of ted cruz so he doesn't -- you just want to say, ted cruz, pooh pooh it, when the reality is he's your guy. >> thank you, susie. >> i like ted cruz. >> what do you like about him? >> he's a good guy. >> what is this good guy? >> this whole i'd like to have a beer with this guy does not fly with me. >> why not? because he doesn't believe what you believe? >> not only does he not believe what i believe, he doesn't believe what he believes.

>> how do you know that? >> i don't. >> you know what, thank you for admitting that. >> i love her. >> really, half of these people i think are char latins. . i think it's just an attention-getting device. i don't think they really believe these things they're saying. >> it's like kim kardashian pulling down her -- >> my husband and i watch you every morning. >> that's nice. >> with our coffee in bed with our little puppy dog. who we have not to pick up people but because we love the animal. it's a sincere -- >> i don't not love my children, i'm just going back to the motivation for having them. >> keep on having them, populate the world. >> you were saying how you don't believe in science. >> i was joking. >> i hope so because if you don't believe in science, then you have to give up everything that -- you can't go to a hospital. you can't have a cell phone. you can't have a toilet that functions. >> susie, you're making me so tired right now. >> you can't have coffee. >> you weren't denying science

yesterday, were you? what happened when i was gone? i took the day off. >> i was so bad -- >> tomorrow is 8:00 -- >> i saw you took a day off. you took a mental health day. >> i took a mental health day. i haven't done that -- i can't remember ever. i always come back on my vacations. i never really take time off. >> well, that's not good, mika. >> i'm going to now. >> what's like your relaxation? >> i went to see my daughter and it was so nice. >> in college? >> yes. and we sat in bed and watched youtube videos. >> she runs like six or seven miles. that's how she relaxes. that's just not good. >> no, who wants to run? >> not me. >> not me either. >> unless somebody's chasing me. >> maybe i'll go to the gotham tonight. >> come, it will be funny. >> this is my girl crush. u.s. is susie, thank you so much. also come back when larry come because we need to keep him in check when he sits here and says nothing and is totally uncooperative. >> does he do that?

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it is 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. welcome to "morning joe." we have donny deutsch and in washington jeremy peters. >> you were right. >> what? >> oh, i know. >> dude's on his cell phone. >> mark my words -- i'm going to take it a step further. he was texting, i bet, before the phone call. >> so he's on his cell phone. the secret services guy, while the other dude breaks into the white house and he's on his cell phone. >> these cell phones are changing our society. >> -- his backup radio inside. >> distracted -- >> he turned off the radio he's supposed to have on because he's on his cell phone and he doesn't want -- it's unbelievable. talk about the scathing report, mika, that's just been released. >> that's the bottom line. this is on the white house security breach that happened in september. the department of homeland security fault secret service

agents for nearly a dozen performance organizational and technical failures. those errors allowed omar gonzalez to jump the white house fence with a knife, run across the north lawn and enter the first family's home. he then overpowered a female secret service officer and ran across the 80-foot east room before he was apprehended. the report states the secret soips's alarm systems and radios did not work properly. a uniformed secret service officer with an attack dog was also allegedly taking -- taking on a cell phone instead of listening to a two-way radio. his standby radio was in his locker. >> what else i don't understand is they had agents that drew guns on this guy and he -- they go, well be we don't think he's armed. so they drew their guns. he ran past them. i think there was even an agent in the white house, inside the

white house, where he came in, drew his gun and said, well, he doesn't look armed. i mean, donny, oh, my god. the guy had a knife on him. that equals armed. if there had been a civilian or somebody walking around the white house, he could have grabbed them. listen, i'm sorry, i don't care who it is. if they're racing there, the presumption has to be they're armed. not that they're not armed. >> either way, shoot them. you're running into my house, if i have a gun, i'm going to take you down. it's almost beyond comprehension. >> shoot 'em. >> look -- >> they're in the white house. >> we talked about this and, you know, this -- let's call it a snafu to be nice. it's just one more example -- >> like a dozen snafus. >> institutions, you know, whether it is the irs, whether it is the veterans administration, whether it is the secret service, you know, where -- >> government doesn't work. >> when does it work? when does it get right? it's stunning.

it's really stunning. >> i think the story here is really about tablets and cell phones. as we move forward, security jobs and other jobs that demand complete focus and attention. the question is is are they going to be allowed to have -- >> there's also the question why you don't shoot somebody once they're inside the white house. because you're presuming they're not armed. >> i read somewhere that it's hard -- an article i read. it's really a lot more complicated to shoot someone in the leg than you think it is. >> yeah, okay. >> at the same time, don't they have taser guns or something they could do to inpempede a ma with a knife? >> we are tracking -- >> at the end of the day, he's a dad. can you imagine what must have went down that day with him, with his kids in there? can you imagine? >> the guy ran right past the staircase to go upstairs to where the kids are. >> that's not even the first

thing. there was a shooter who shot at the white house from way down the street that they covered up essentially for a while. the first family must be absolutely gassed. >> we'll be following that. let's get to the big story. oh, boy, fireworks. >> i think so. >> are we going to see more of the same? is there some sort of diversion from the norm? president obama said this morning he'll move to overhaul parts of the immigration system by the end of the year and it's already raising the prospect of a government shutdown within some circles of the gop. "the new york times" reports the white house plan would prevent the deportation of as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. it would reform the role of law enforcement, add more security to the border, and allow the parents of children born in the u.s. to get work documents. the plan would also boost opportunities for more legal immigrants with expertise in technology. yesterday, house democrats called on the president to take decisive action even if it came

without full congressional backing. some republicans, meanwhile, are threatening a shutdown, saying they want to hold up the budget. >> let's not do that. >> you've got a "w." a big "w." >> well, let's see. let's listen to what they say about this. because perhaps their tone shows they know they've won and it's time for kind of a new approach. >> are you being sarcastic? >> no, i mean, i'm hoping what we're about to see is a real change. >> -- shutting the government down, threatening default on the national debt -- >> even if he goes forward on immigration? >> we will not be shutting the government down or threatening default on the national debt. >> we're going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. all the options are on the table. we're having discussions with our members. there are no decisions made as

to how we will fight this. >> i think mitch mcconnell said it pretty straight. no government shutdown, right, jeremy peters? >> he did. although it may not be entirely his choice. john boehner once again is having to wrestle with the tea party faction in his caucus and i think what's going -- what's likely to happen here is the president's going to wait until after congress deals with the budget to do anything. so congress therefore can't shut down the government in response to what the president has done on illegal immigration. but i do think there is a serious, serious amount of caution inside the republican party right now. especially among the new senate majority or the incoming senate majority. that shutting down the government would completely squander all of the gains that they just made. all of the good will that they have among the public right now. >> explain that. why do you think that is? >> i think the first thing they want to do -- the first thing they do when they come back, after they're elected, the

majority party in congress for the first time since 2006, is they come in and shut down the government? i think that would look horrible. i think republicans would get blamed for that. >> well, they did last time. >> they certainly did. i will say, it's a little bit different this time because when the president acts unilaterally on just about anything, that has less public support. and we've seen that in the past just this whole notion of executive action on immigration to allow these people to stay here without going through congress. that has proven unpopular. not just in states like arkansas. but in states like colorado and iowa. i do think that's a concern for democrats. >> this was the republicans, blame for the government shutdown in 2013. we've heard a couple of republicans talk about this. but the overwhelming majority are just not going to go there. >> look at what mitch mcconnell

has to deal with in the senate. he has people up for re-election this year in very blue states. mark kirk, ron johnson, pat toomey. they're all in predominant -- obama won state. so he has to grapple with that calculus. that's not the cam k lus john boehner has to battle with. even if the dynamics are different. a shutdown would go straight to the president's desk. i can't imagine -- >> it's not going to do it, they're just not going to do it. >> much more likely for them to put this into the lawsuit they're already going after the president on for his -- >> don't talk about a shutdown. don't talk about impeachment. don't talk about default. you know, you're now moving towards 2016 and have a chance to win the white house and keep it away from the clintons for eight more years. don't talk about those things. >> all the republicans have to do is just stay center right and

not show -- >> the interesting thing about this is twofold, number one, we talk about this -- the republican win would actually energize obama and we're seeing it with that neutral thing. he's starting to double down. he's like, you know, kind of backed in a corner. he's coming out fighting. you've got the hispanics. obviously we know how crucial there are. this will now force republican candidates -- how harsh do they come out against the president? and now the spotlight is back on the fractured republican -- >> i have a prediction. i think they let it pass. write it down. i think they let it pass. they're screaming and yelling from the right. and it just becomes the law. because they don't want to pass their own immigration bill. this becomes the law of the land. the people that are running in the blue states. like you said, the republicans running the blue states say yeah, i didn't oppose it. i didn't like the way he did it.

there are some good reforms there. the right wingers can scream and yell and say he should be impeached. the people running for president, the governors running for president, they can all go, yeah, these were things that needed to happen. it sort of eases it along. the courts are taking the gay marriage debate out of the hands of a lot of republican candidates. >> conveniencconvenience. >> a lot republicans want to win in 2016 who will say let that pass. >> i totally agree with you. i think that's probably the smart strategic move. it's easier to say listen, we're against executive action and put aside the politics on this. that way you don't enrage the hispanic population. but you can talk about obama overreach. it's a simple play for mitch mcconnell and anyone running in 2016. >> oh, lord. and then there's the keystone pipeline which is set for a

house vote today. the issue was fast tracked in large part to the runoff between landrieu and cassidy, both trying to show they can provide for the state. supporters say it will create thousands of american jobs. some analysts suggest the falling price of crude means its market value may be less than it costs to transport and produce here in the u.s. the president, who retains his veto power, weighed in on the issue this morning while on his trip to asia. >> as a policy matter, my government believes that we should just this pipeline based on whether or not it accelerates climate change or whether it helps the american people with their energy costs and their gas prices. and i have to constantly push back against this idea that

somehow the keystone pipeline is either this massive jobs bill for the united states or is somehow lowering gas prices. understand what this project is. it is providing the ability of canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the gulf, where it will be sold everywhere else. that doesn't have an impact on u.s. gas prices. >> major environmental questions as well. do you think he should veto it? >> i think if he vetoes, he proves he's captive to big money on the left. there's just no other way to put it. you look at his own state department. they say this is more environmentally sensitive. having a pipeline, continue to allow trunks and tankers to move this oil around. they say it's going to create 45,000, 55,000 new jobs. is this going to cause this great renaissance of like american -- you know, american

workforce? no. but it's 45,000, 55,000 jobs. >> a massive bargaining chip, is that what you're saying? >> no, what i'm saying is there's no good -- there's no logical reason whatsoever for the president to veto this, other than hard core ideologues on the left who spend billions of dollars on democratic campaigns. don't want him to do it. that is the only reason why. this is donny and sam, this is a growing problem i think for democrats. as a republican, i've seen for some time, oh, gee, this issue is breaking against republicans. we talked about gay marriage before. this is an issue that's going to break against republicans. we're the younger generation. this growing energy revolution where we're going to be the number one producer of oil by 2020 and it's going to cause manufacturing and everything to go down. democrats are actually on the wrong side of that issue. of an historical trend. and somebody has to help them, in my opinion. >> i tend to see the politics

here, which is there's going to be enough support for this thing to probably pass. and the question becomes what did the president get as a let me leverage point for it. in exchange, we'll do these types of environmental regulations on our coal plants so we have a net neutral carbon deal in place. we don't leave in a logical political world. we live in a world where landrieu needs to be rescued in her senate race. >> i've been saying this for a year. you give me minimum wage increase to $9.15 and i will -- >> the crazy part is any point he could have leveraged that for something. now he may end up with a veto proof majority in the senate and have no leverage. >> the president still has the power to say i'm going to veto this bill. i'm going to send it back to you, attach $9.15 minimum wage increase to it, and i'll sign it. you'll see a lot of those

republicans in the senate that are in those blue states that are going to be running in 2016 saying, i'll be be a part of that. we'll see what the house does. >> still ahead this hour on "morning joe," republican governor scott walker join us fresh off his successful bid for re-election. former nba great turned animal activist yao ming will be here on set. coming up, americans are quitting their jobs at a higher ration than any other point for the past six years. >> i've been thinking about it for the past six years. i have quit, i seriously have. at one point, they're going to let me. >> time off. we'll tell you why that's a good thing, next. first. >> bill karins, it is cold out there, my man. very cold. >> it's been a brutal stretch, joe. the snow continues. i mean, when the temperatures are like midwinter, we're going to get midwinter weather. we've got a lot of snow and ice. yesterday, this was very impressive. this happened in ohio. a very strong lake-effect snow band. take a listen.

that wasn't a tree falling. that's thundersnow. the thunderclap you heard. it's pretty cool it happens at night because of the colors of the lightning and snow, it actually shows an eerie green. usually you get really heavy snow rates. in erie pennsylvania, they had 14 inches. bear alaska, there's three hours of daylight today. the sun doesn't come up until about 11:30 and it sets at 2:00. it's 30 degrees. that's balmy by bear standards. it is colder in hot-lanta than it is in bear, alaska. so we're still cold. it snowed a little bit last night but an inch or two from connectic connecticut, rhode island. we're still dealing with the really chilly air in the northern plains with windchills around zero. let me take you through your weekend forecast. today, really not too bad. still cold but not horrible.

saturday, light snow from kansas city to chicago. 1 to 2 inches is likely. by sunday, we're watching temperatures still kind of cool but not horrible. the next cold blast, by the way, comes in monday, tuesday, wednesday. it's targeting the great lakes and the northeast. the northeast kind of avoided this last one. it's going to be really cold next week. we're in the middle of winter, it seems like, doesn't it? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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did "the new york post" really give the mayor -- >> he was late for an important event. >> i think "the new york post" gave the mayor an alarm clock. he's smiling. >> he needs one. it's rude to be late. >> at least he took it in stride. >> it's rude. you can't be late. >> i have never been late to memorials where you ring a bell to commemorate the deaths of people in airplane crashes because i overslept. no, you know what, i may be late once in a while, not as much as i used to. i'm never late because i oversleep. that first event, that is the one event you have complete control over. >> so i think it's also a man/woman thing. i think women are always on time. >> are you punctual? >> that is so sexist. >> like a job interview, a woman will be there 45 minutes ear

ye earlier or a meeting. whenever i have meet holdings that are all women, we're all early. i'm like, oh, my god. then a bunch of guys -- >> joe, will you apologize -- >> i am actually feeling objectified right now, donny deutsch. >> like talking about stupid stuff. >> "the wall street journal." a new report indicates the justice department is collecting data from thousands of phones through devices installed on small airplanes. equipped with so-called dirty boxes which have technology -- that sounds nice. that have technology similar to cell phone towers allowing them to track calls. a large number of innocent americans are also getting snagged by their dirty boxes. >> oh, my. >> we look at the "los angeles times." hatchet and amazon have reached a deal over ebook and -- >> is this a big deal? >> will allow hatchet to set its own prices for e-books. amazon is going to resume the

sale of hatchet books immediately. just in time for the holiday season. which is most likely -- >> but, you know, there's some really good competition. >> a lot of good authors got squeezed in that. >> "the washington post." the presidential bromance between george w. bush and bill clinton has spilled over into social media. somewhat of a hash tag duel. clinton called it a touching tribute before using a hash tag, asking bush 43, quote, how are you still not on twitter. that's when bush took to instagram write, thanks, 42, using the hash tag, how are you still not on instagram. and brother from another mother. >> wow. >> i think it's funny because i think bush burned clinton because instagram is a little bit cooler. >> it is, it's kind of hipper. >> but you know what, bill clinton's advisers obviously trying to keep him from posting

pictures. i mean, you can understand, right? >> yes. >> bush also had this to say about a potential 2016 matchup between his brother and hillary clinton. >> can still like him when jeb beats hillary. you betting on that? >> if jeb runs -- i don't know if he's going to run, i really don't. i hope he does because he'd be a great president. >> there you go. >> nothing tests a bromance like when your son is competing against your best friend's wife. >> it's just a little too close, you know. >> sibling, yeah. >> just weeks after winning re-election as governor of wisconsin, scott walker is already planning some big change, for the badger state. he'll tell us ways first on his agenda next when "morning joe" returns. they're still after me. get to the terminal across town.

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lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. basically call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass. >> professor numbnuts here wasn't the worst thing to happen to obamacare this week. on friday, the supreme court agreed to hear another legal challenge that could kill the law. the last two times i declared

obamacare dead, i dropped balloons and twerked on the grim reaper. looking back, i think that was a little immature. so tonight we're going to slow dance. jimmy. ♪ just close my eyes and i need you ♪ >> all right. joining us now -- >> weird segue. >> that was a -- >> republican governor scott walker of wisconsin. that had nothing to do with you. good to have you on the show. nice to see you again. >> mika, i'm with you. i like to be early. we call that lombardi time in wisconsin. i don't think men are usually on time ever. that's nice to know. >> it's a safe -- >> coach lombardi used to say if you're not 15 minutes ahead of time, you're not there on time. >> i don't think i would have been able to play with the packers in the 1960s.

>> you need to learn. >> scott, obviously, a lot people talking about you this morning. kimberly strasle has a great article about you in "the wall street journal." she says this, scott walker's 2016 challenge still give a lot of republican leaders pause about scott walker as well. the wisconsin's dynamo's good but the knock on him is he knows it. he has a reputation as a one-man band. chief fund-raiser. and chief political analyst. he's known to listen to a few trusted wisconsin gurus. for the most part, it's an -- i could go on and on. that is actually the only negative part in an otherwise very strong -- very strong article about you. but obviously the age of obama, we worry about sort of these lone wolves that don't have a lot of other people around them. do you agree with her assessment? "the wall street journal's"

assessment? >> i thought it was a pretty good column. the one part, no surprise, i disagree with. i'm going to be meeting with a number of members of my cabinet. you can see it. i'm going to talk with them again. just as i did last wednesday, the day after our re-election. in fact, one of your biggest fans is my secretary of tourism, going to meet with this morning. an emmy award winning former host of a tourism show here in wisconsin. that's the people we surround ourselves. my political team, i've expanded the circle of folks on the team. even after the initial election. we added some folks nationally because we knew we'd have to raise the funds and get the interest that -- >> so scott if somebody had told me that in 2008, in wisconsin, that the next election, you'd have a guy run who would win

three statewide elections in four years that conservatives loved in wisconsin, i would have told them they were crazy. what's happened. how have you done it over the past few years without betraying your conservative ideals? >> certainly wisconsin at best is a swing state. we're probably more of a blue state. more democrats than republicans four years ago. everything was democrat. governor, assembly, senate. majority of seats in the house of representatives. we changed things because we focused on fiscal and economic issues that were challenging our state and really our country at the time. and then we did something unusual in politics. i think more than anything the reason why i've been elected three types, the reason why the legislature added republican seats even after adding them two years ago, added them again this time, is because we're leaving. our reforms are working. $3 billion worth of savings. property taxes are down. tuition is frozen.

110,000 new jobs. all those things are real tangible results. i think people like the reforms. they like results. they like the fact that unlike washington where it's largely dysfunctional, we're largely getting things done. >> a lot of factors that go into a decision to run for president. so i won't ask you if you will run. i'm just wondering, do you want to run for president? >> well, i get a kick out of this. i'm pretty candid. you almost have to be crazy to want to run for president. my belief is -- >> are you crazy? no. do you want to do it? would you want to run for president? do you want to run for president? >> the difference is i think you shouldn't -- that's not something you should want to do. anybody who's been close realizes the tremendous sacrifice. but it's one of those where if you feel called to -- right now, i feel called to be governor. 2, 6, 12 years from now, who knows. we could be called to do that.

it's really something, when you think about taking a decade and committing that to the public service that's required to be effective in that job, i mean, you look at this president, look at the former president you were just talking about. there's a lot of gray hairs that come after a decade of seeking and being in that office. >> you've gotten -- there's been some attention given to some criticisms you've leveled towards governors who decided to take the medicaid expansion. you've made the argument kind of in practical terms. you said you don't want to count on congress to deliver those funds. i'm curious, in ideological terms, republican governors deci decided are not genuine conservatives. is there an ideological criticism to this? >> i'm not going to criticize fellow governor because i recognize there's 50 states. what's good for wisconsin may not be good for other states. besides the practical reality you mentioned, this president

and congress until now hasn't been able to fund the current medicate commitment. beyond that, i just ask the basic question. why is more people on medicaid a good thing? i'd rather find a way, particularly for able-bodied adults without children, i'd like to find a way to get them into the workforce. i think ideologically, that's a better approach, not just as a conservative, but as an american. have more people live the american dream if they're not dependent on the american government. >> could you be a support of the common core and be a good conservative? >> again, everybody's got a different view in my viewpy don't want standards set by people from outside of my state. that's what we're continuing to pursue. my state has the second best act scores in the country. so i'd like high standards. i just like the parents and members of our communities here in wisconsin to set them, not people outside of my state. >> there's interesting talks earlier today about wall street

worrying about governor christie in part because of his testament. we sort of contrast that with your even keeled approach. i'm wondering what role do you think temperament plays not just in a presidential campaign but in governing and how important it is. >> it's a little different state by state. christie's a great friend of mine. one of the things i point out -- i've said this in front of chris. i said chris and i are a lot alike. we like to be bold. we like to speak out. i have a little bit of a midwestern filter. that's a little different from the state i'm in versus new jersey where i think it's appropriate. that's why i love him for it. he's straight forward. i like to tell it like it is. i just tell it in midwestern terms which is a little different than what works on the east coast. that's one of the great things about great leaders. they fit the states. >> that new jersey filter works for him. governor, thank you. still ahead, we've got a behind the scenes look of a great of

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gets out of the way. >> these two impulses of having a mission and being a successful business don't need to be at odds. they can be aligned. and if the mission is chosen appropriately, they should be. >> generation flux. >> cool. >> generation flux. >> coming in very nicely. >> it is. >> it's a very heavy -- >> what do we have next? >> time for business before the bell. cnbc's sara eisen joins us open in. let's talk about retail sales. >> showing .3% gain. it shows strength in the american consumption. important, makes up most of our economy. if you take out oil, which has been lower, sales were even better. they were up half a percent. it showed broad-based strength. americans buying autos, spending more at restaurants.

spending more on clothing. on health care. the only sort of negative one was electronics. but that was partly because the last month actually showed the spikeup with the release of the new iphone 6. that was expected. overall, painting a solid picture of americans and retail spending. it just follows on some better day that weem seen it looking at the jobs number, you can go in and find more color. for instance, this week, we got a report showing most americans are actually quitting at the fastest rate that they've been quitting in years. 2% of employees are quitting. that's actually a good sign because it means they have the confidence to go out and find a job elsewhere. hopefully, that will lead to increased wage growth is really the missing piece of this labor market recovery. i just thought it was interesting that more americans are feeling good about their jobs so they can quit. >> i like it. that is a good sign. up next -- >> i quit, by the way. >> take this job and -- >> people won't believe you if

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yao is a man of action. he doesn't just want to be a part of the message, he wants to lead the way it as he has always done. and that means walking side by side with fants and ry s eleph rhino in africa. >> really it's a race against time to get people to care su sufficie sufficiently. >> i believe if you want to learn what the truth and also the situation about an animal, you have to go to africa so we can see how they live, how they've been hunted and what is the consequence of them. >> a new approach is needed.

can yao carry this message home and carry thousands of years of tradition putting ivory on the no go list for millions of consumers? >> that was a clip from the animal planet special saving africa's giants with yao ming. here with us now is retired nba baseball superstar yao ming and the executive producer of wild aid peter knights. it's a fantastic special you put together. especially for people who are not familiar with the poaching epidemic happening internationally. so explain for us first why you wanted to put this documentary together and why you wanted to partner with yao ming. >> we worked together for a long time, mainly on shark fin soup. so as you said, people don't know about this. they don't know where it's coming from. especially in china. this film has aired in china. it's going to go worldwide.

it's really about education. most people when they know they wouldn't go near ivory but they don't. they don't understand the process. >> so american consumers can know what to stay away from. >> well it's elephants are being poached at the rate of 30,000 a year it 96 a day. one every 15 minutes. at this rate, we're going to lose the elephants in the next decade or so. and then the others are under huge pressure. if we don't do something soon, that will be the case. >> how do you get involved? >> peter came to me, like he just mentioned, almost ten years ago. we have moved to the next part, which is try and change the approach of the elephants and the rhino. we had a lot of the paper to show people how many elephants and rhino are being poached per year, per month, per day or per

minute. so it's really hard to just -- i mean, sit there. we like to film this, go to africa, film this and bring back and try to reach many people as we can and have more people join us. >> i heard edward norton there narrating. you say you've got a lot of people. a lot of high-profile people involved. >> it's been amazing to -- the pickup in china. also the chinese government has donated tens of millions of dollars of media space. we have messages going out at 7:00, prime time. >> fantastic. >> has the chinese government taken an aggressive anti-poaching approach? >> it is very aggressive. i think we started a law that the penalty can be death if you ship any of the ivory or rhino horn back to china.

but still there's a black market there. and demand there. you can't change that. when the price is there, there's people doing that for money. >> again, it's about education. the awareness. i didn't know about this. i went on safari over a year ago and i learned when i was in south africa. the porous border especially with mozambique where you can find where the poachers are coming in. there was definitely an issue with the rhino and the fact they were losing the population of the rhino. speak to what's being done to protect them and also repopulate. >> the thing is, it's a bit like the drugs trade. the demand is strong. the killing goes on. people are losing their lives. rangers. some of the money is going to finance groups like al shabab and things like that. the efforts on the ground, you know, it really is an uphill battle. obviously, i was in africa two days ago. all the governments are saying we have to address the demand. if we don't address the demand, we're not going to succeed. >> we hope everybody pays attention to this.

it's fantastic to have you on board. as a part of this. because you have a successful campaign with what you did with the shark fin issue. >> fantastic. >> yes. you can watch saving africa's giants with yao ming on animal planet next tuesday, november 18th, at 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific times. yao ming and peter knights. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> really good work, we really appreciate it. >> up next, it we learn anything today? >> i think so.

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it's unbelievable. >> donny deutsch is not on tinder. >> what did you learn? >> i learned something in the green room. interviewing susie for my book. first of all, no is the most powerful word in hollywood. she gave me the most amazing negotiating advice. >> what was that? >> it will be in the book. that's all i'm going to say. she's amazing. >> all right, kids. thank you so much for watching this week as always. we really do appreciate your patience. >> no, everyone likes you. >> tomorrow. alabama against mississippi state. "daily rundown" is next. we'll see you monday. multitasking on the other side of the globe. president obama comes out even stronger on keystone and lets republican leaders know he's not budging on immigration. meantime, back at hope, a