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tomorrow the country will find out if those senators currently undecided on the bill including jay rockefeller and angus king agree with those who attended the land for over 150 years and hope to do so for many more than that. that's all for now. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. this is about to get real right now for the nfl with the d.e.a. >> our players were shot up like cattle. >> i'm taking two or three strike din before the game. >> they were brought to market. >> this is an nfl culture. >> and discarded like pieces of meat. >> this is about to get real. >> three teams raided by federal agents. >> the d.e.a. hasn't done anything like this before. >> teams are being investigated. >> they search players and m
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medical staff for prescription drugs. >> part of the old wild west culture that went on in the nfl. >> now a bit of controversy. >> the nfl's image has taken some hits. >> you would think the nfl would clean up its act. good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. sometimes in life we witness things we just are never going to forget. i will never forget this night, august 12, 1978. i was a young aspiring quarterback on the sidelines of the oakland raiders when jack tatum hit wide receiver darryl stingily of the new england patriots. and this hit paralyzed stingily. and at that moment i realized just how fast it could end and how fragile life can be in the national football league. >> in a saturday preseason game in august of 1978 stingley was hit by jack tatum. he was almost totally pair laysed. >> when the injury first occurred, i never had a chance
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to hear what the doctors were saying. i was too busy fighting for my life. as a result of the accident i was able to sit and spend more time in developing a relationship and rapport with may family and friends. >> hits like that take place every week in the nfl, getting players back on the field is the mission of every team. some teams may have gone too far. the envelonfl is back under the microscope. this time the attention coming from the justice department. four teams were surprised on sunday when authorities launched an investigation into possible illegal use of drugs. the san francisco 49ers were inspected by federal agents after their game against the giants in new jersey, seattle seahawks were inspected following their game against the chiefs in kansas city, and d.e.a. agents met with the tampa bay buccaneers at the baltimore washington international airport following their game. and it's not clear if a full inspection took place with the buccaneers. the cincinnati bengals were also
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inspencted by agents following their game in new orleans. the nfl released a statement sunday saying, our teams cooperated with the d.e.a. today and we have no information to indicate that irregularities were found. according to "the washington post," the d.e.a. is looking into allegation that is nfl teams dispense drugs illegal ly to keep players on the field in violation of the controlled substance act. the d.e.a. is also looking into, quote, possible distribution of drugs without prescriptions or labels and dispensing of drugs by trainers rather than physicians. defending on the outcome of the investigation, civil fines or criminal prosecution is possible. a d.e.a. spokesperson told "the washington post" the investigation was triggered by a class action lawsuit filed by more than 1,300 former nfl players in may. the lawsuit alleges, quote, the nfl has illegally and unethically substituted pain medications for proper health care to keep the nfl tsunami of
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dollars flowing. here is a report on the lawsuit from the associated press. >> the lawsuit names eight players as plaintiffs including 1985 super bowl champion and chicago bears quarterback jim mcmahon. >> the players are shot up like cattle. they're brought to market, i.e. the games, and then they're discarded like pieces of meat. >> steve silverman is a lawyer representing more than 500 players that have signed on to this suit spanning at least four decades in professional football. he says in many cases the players were sent on to the field unaware of how serious their injuries were. >> the nfl is putting profits before players' health. >> silverman cites keith van horn as an example, he broke his leg during play. >> instead of being told by the doctors that it was broken, he was simply given
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anti-inflammatories and painkillers and pushed out there for the rest of the season. >> former san francisco 49ers center jeremy newberry is listed in the lawsuit that alleges he suffers from kidney failure and high blood pressure due to overuse of painkillers. here is what he told cbs news back in may. >> some games i'm taking two or thee vicadin before the game, taking a shot before the game and then getting both shoulders, hand shot up before the game. it's the same story everywhere. this is an nfl culture not just a team by team thing. >> the nfl asked the court to throw out the lawsuit. the league claims they are not responsible for medical care. this isn't the first time the nfl has come under fire for issues involving drugs. in may of 2010 san diego charger safety kevin ellison was arrested for having 100 vicadin pills without a prescription. in 2010 d.e.a. looking into the allegations of the new orleans saints covered up a coach
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stealing from a medicine cabinet. speaking about the current investigation, the president of the envelonfl physicians societ today the nfl team doctors strive to comply with all regulations in prescribing and dispensing drugs to our patients, the players. no matter the outcome of this investigation, it is no doubt another problem for the nfl during an already tough season. keep in mind a player wants to stay in the league as long as he possibly can. he'll go along to get along. that's the fear of it all. if you don't play, it's hard to stay on the roster. on the other hand, it's all driven by big mon y, and nobody wants to win more than nfl own ers. >> do you think nfl owners are hiding a massive drug problem? we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i want to bring in a former nfl running back who played his time with the falcons, jamaal
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anderson. mr. anderson, good to have you with us tonight. are you part or one of the 1,300 players involved in this lawsuit? >> i am not one of the 1,300 players involved in this lawsuit. >> obviously you were aware this was taking place? >> absolutely aware of it. and i've spoke ben it a few times so i'm familiar with what's going on right now. >> there are some pretty strong accusations here that the nfl only cares about profit and not players. from your experience in the league, where do you stand on that? >> ed, what's interesting in your opening you made some great points about playing football and how things were in the past and, in fact, the one statement you said about the players wanting to be on the football field, there's no question in my mind several years ago that the culture in the nfl was one of doctors who were hired by the teams individually whether or not those doctors were there for the best interests of the players or to make sure the players stayed on the football
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field. but the flip side of that, ed, the popular saying among plenty of players and in the nfl, you cannot make the club in the tub, meaning if you are always an injured player, the chances of you having any longevity in the nfl are going to be greatly minimized if you're constantly injured. so it's that -- there certainly was a different culture. if you were on a good team that hired good doctors and the doctors were the type of people who cared about the players' interest, you're probably not involved in this. but there are plenty of doctors out there whose mantra, i'm certain, keep our guys on the field particularly the big stars because your big stars are missing. you're not going to win games and people aren't going to come to those games. >> the culture of this you're speaking of that there is pressure by the players to 0 sustain their career, to do whatever it takes, with the mindset, hey, i can get healthy in the off-season. what about that?
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>> the thing i think that needs to take place, you hope as an nfl player that doctors -- the team doctors on the staff, when you have an injury, you hope that, number one, they're looking at what's going to happen with your life moving forward. what's the type of injury? what's the severity of the injury? what happens if you continue to try to play on this injury as opposed to, hey, let's just throw him out on the field and wear him out and pump him up with some pills. again, it's that same situation. you don't want any one of those people who are always injured because, clearly, it's about guys being healthy and being on the football field. >> do you think there are players who don't know what's happening to them, that they're just doing it trust iing the doctors and whoever is administering their care, they do it because they want to be in the game and make money? >> the fact is you're dealing with doctors and i want to be clear i think the culture in the nfl and the way that they operate now when you look at
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concussions there are outside doctors on the football field. i would the shocked with the way it is now that this was still actually occurring. but years ago and when i got in the league i heard plenty of stories about doctors whose mantra was, just keep them on the football field until we get another guy. you can't be one of those players who is constantly injured. you know and people know who are watching, you hope your doctors, your physicians, will give you the best advice necessary to have a long and healthy life if possible. >> finally, do you think the league has a problem with this? >> there's no question that there was definitely a problem before. there's no question in my mind there was. and part of it is going to be what the doctors were doing and if the doctors were doing what they thought was best for the players. and part of that is going to be guys who want to be on the football field, guys who tried to do their best to try to
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maintain their check, their health to be out there. it has to be one of those situations, it will be very interesting to see what the resolution is and how this whole outcome comes out. there are certainly players who are culpable of trying to do whatever they can to be on the football field as well. >> former nfl running back jamaal anderson with us tonight here on "the ed show." i appreciate your time so much. let me bring in rand getllin of yahoo! sports and dr. cory hebert. is there an undercurrent of conversation in the league that this is widespread? >> it's been known for a very long time that there is a drug culture insofar as players, as gentlemjamal and you were just discussing. have to figure out a way to stay on the field in such a broughtal sport. you have to have painkillers and things that have anywnature to the game at a high level. has there been chatter about it behind the scenes this is prevalent and has been for many years? absolutely. it's 100% a given.
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>> so the authorities are saying the reason why they're doing this is because of this lawsuit that has been filed by over 1,000 nfl players. why has it taken a lawsuit for the law to be upheld or this to be investigated if it's so widespread amongst the players, rand? >> that's a great question and we always have to ask that question. what is the impetus to something owe can kurg now? in this case if the lawsuit is the thing that has spurred this inquiry, one would have to question why it would take that to get to this point. once players start speaking up en masse and saying, look, these are the realities behind the scenes and newberry was speaking to that effectively in the clip that played earlier, it's difficult for the d.e.a. to ignore what's going on and, in fact, there are some elements of truth to everything everybody is saying. as jamal pointed out, perhaps things have changed in the last few years but there is no question that at points in the past, the nfl and specific teams have had an issue with drugs and
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the dispense thereof. >> sure. dr. hebert, this is a doctor's worst nightmare, isn't it? >> yes, it is. >> and to be investigated as not professionally easy to go through. what do you make of the story as a physician? >> we have to know that -- doctors by and large do what they're supposed to do. and one bad apple will, in fact, spoil this bunch. the reason why, this is driven by an economic machine. we've said it over and over. people are trying to stay on the field. so you have the doctors trying to keep the people on the field, the players on the field, and you have the players wanting to stay on the field and asking for these types of medications and want to go pay big money so they can get these medications. we have athletic trainers that are dispensing the medications, doctors that are using medicines off label and then we have medicines that are very addictive that can cause a lot of side effects, a lot of problems long term. so do i think this is a prevalent problem? yes, i do. i think until we do something
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about it in the way that was done yesterday, as a matter of fact, then it will continue to be a major problem. >> your sure. and doctors are fans. team doctors want their team to win. >> sure. >> they get hung up in this whole thing. they get hung up, oh, i'll get you out there. i'll see what we can do to make things right. >> sure. >> how do you mop this up, doctor? what is your anticipation if you're a physician for an nfl team, what's your expectation? >> what you must do is first, do no harm. that is the oath we take. when you are talking about shooting somebody up, giving them steroids to decrease the inflammati inflammation, they make brittle l bones and that means they'll have fractures later on in life. when you add percodan they cause serious addiction problems so when you're not playing, you can die from the withdrawals. the first thing the doctor must do is examine who he or she is and just say, first, no harm. >> rand, how can the owners not
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know? i maean, some owners are really close what's going on on the field and in the locker room. the guy in dallas, there are not a whole lot of things happening that he doesn't know about. not to indict the cowboys. there are some owners who are very, very involved in their team. you can take what i say about jerry jones as a compliment. how can the owners not know? >> it's a perfect point, ed. there are 32 teams, 32 different cultures, 32 different levels of involvement in terms of ownership, et cetera. by and large i think owners are disconnected from the day-to-day in terms of dispensing of medication, ets. as you mentioned, i am quite sure there are some owners that are far more aware of what's going on in the locker room than others. ultimately it's a question of what is our purpose here with this sport to the extent that players know what they're getting themselves into, there is some informed consent there, they have assumed the risk. i think as a human being, an individual standpoint, i'm okay with some of the risk they
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assume. i think the question with the concussion lawsuit and things like this is how much did they know in terms of what the long-term impact would be. >> sure. rand getlin and dr. cory hebert, great to have you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts with us on twitter and facebook. always want to know what you think. coming up, the obamacare success story the right wing doesn't want you to hear. new details of the keystone xl project. and on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is, why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.
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won't take as long to enroll. >> the new republican majority takes office promising to dismember the law. >> if you haven't signed up for insurance yet, this is your chance. joining me tonight senator barry sanders of vermont. good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> these numbers over the weekend, what does it tell you, the number of people that signed up round two? >> it tells us that you have a program that is working well, that they have overcome the problems that they initially had. it tells me that about 75% of the people who are on the exchanges think the health care they're getting is good. and i think this is making our republican colleagues very nervous. >> what could they repeal as you see it? >> nothing because obama will veto it and we will sustain that veto. >> a recent poll as you mentioned just a moment ago, a gallup l poll, says seven in ten people who purchased insurance through the government exchange rate their coverage as excellent
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or good. the overall approval rating sits at 37%. where is the disconnect? >> well, it is not everybody is in the affordable care act, and people who maintained their old policies are hearing negative things about it over and over again and i think they're responding to that negativity. >> you think the immediamedia c has a lot to do with it? >> i think so. what we should understand, ed, republicans want to destroy the affordable care act, with which is, by the way, a modest proposal you will recall developed by reapian think tanks, implemented in massachusetts by romney. they want to destroy it not because of what it is but because it is the federal government doing something to protect ordinary people. and that is not what they like. these are the same guys who want to end medicare as we know it, convert it into a voucher program, make massive cuts in medicaid and other federal health care programs. ultimately at the end of the day what they want is all americans to go into the private sector exclusively for the health care
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and if you don't have any money and you can't afford it, tough luck. >> so you think that they're so ideologically driven that there's no statistic out there that would make them step back and say, you know, maybe this isn't so bad after all? >> nope. rough something like social security which is enormously popular. you recall what bush tried to do to social security. these guys do not believe the federal government should play a significant role in protecting the lives of ordinary people. and it's not even just health care programs. it is environmental protection programs. that is the right-wing ideology. meanwhile, we remain the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care. we end up spending almost twice as much per person on health care as do the people of any other nation. >> so why do they want to continually harp on the fact that they want to repeal it? it's all ideology or do you think they have a better plan down the road? >> no. better plan, you tell me the
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better plan. what have you heard about their better plan? they have no plan. they have no better plan for social security. what these guys want to do is to tell the american people, hey, you think government can do something for you? it can't. only the private sector can do things for you and you don't even have to come out and vote because government is irrelevant to your lives. that's what this this whole thing is about ideologically, ed. >> what's your reaction to the profits that have been sustained by the major insurance companies since the affordable care act, well point at 37% was the highest one. but most of them are between 18% and 37% return on 0 investment. it doesn't seem like it's concerned the industry too much oocht it hasn't. not only are we the only country that doesn't guarantee health care for all people, we allow private insurance companies to make huge profits off health care. at the end of the day i voted for the aca. i support it.
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better term, junk insurance. junk insurance might not be to me what it is to you or vice versa but the fact is we have industry standards now. >> right. >> that's really the framework of the law, isn't it? >> yes. the mistake that obama made is saying, look, if you want to keep it, you can keep it. the truth is what the aca did is get rid of these junk policies which meant people thought they had some coverage until they got sick and they understood that they had sky high out of pocket expenses and co-payments. there were minimal standards set and those policies were done away with. yes, people lost their junk health insurance policies. >> good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it. coming up, a dire warning about the keystone xl pipeline vote. plus the government of missouri declares a state of emergency ahead of ferguson's grand jury decision. new details ahead. "the ed show" continues.
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has, quote, found other methods to ensure its gulf coast refineries can get canadian heavy crude. the ceo of transcanada is confident the pipeline will be built and get the 60 votes. >> since we started the project, the demand has started to increase. production in the u.s. up 2 million barrels a day n. canada up a million barrels a day. the need continues to grow and the place where these producers want to put the barrels is in the gulf coast of the united states. our shippers have not wavered one bit over the last six years. they still want this to happen. as long as they're there, we're going to push to make it happen. >> there will probably be 60 votes because some democrats believe it will help save mary landrieu. the republican of south dakota reacted to the upcoming vote. >> this is a cynical attempt to save a senate seat in louisiana. if the democrats were serious about this, we would have voted on this years ago. this is an issue, a no-brainer, in the eyes of the american public that finally, finally has
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come to the floor of the united states senate, not because they're worried about american jobs but the job of a senator from louisiana. >> some residents from your state of south dakota don't see it that way. the native americans are staunchly against the proposed pipeline saying tribal elders have not been consulted and it violates the 1851 and 1868 ft. laramie treaties. the president of south dakota's tribe called it an act of war. here is what president scott and chairman brian brewer of the sioux tribe told me back in april. >> we are willing to die on he behalf of our children. our way of life and the water. >> our people are so passionate. our people are ready to die. our people have come up and said we want to be on the frontline. we are willing to give our life to stop this because we know what it will do to the people. >> war is never the answer but
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it is deeply personal for members of the sioux tribe. the oil below deuproducers are they don't need it, there's no reason tore pushing for it. the keystone xl is built, the united states will take all the risk and get none of the reward and, oh, by the way, what about carbon emissions? why put that back on the market? joining me tonight sheldon whitehouse of rhode island and with us jane club. senator, you first. what's your reaction to some of the most wealthy and most productive people in the oil industry now saying that keystone is not necessary? >> well, that's kind of been their line all along. that's part of what the state department said. they'll just find another way to get it to market so there won't really be any environmental harm. we think that's badly mistaken. the canadian energy research institute says the break even price for the tar sands is $85
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on the oil market. and we're at $75. it costs about $15 per ton to roll the stuff out on rail. so i think there's a real environmental difference in stopping keystone, and i think it's important to push on that and it's important for the white house to have our back, and back us up with a very toe either now or in january we can't hold the line in the senate. >> and do you think that's where the president is leaning right now? >> we're informed that's where he's leaning, but we certainly don't have a hard assurance of that. >> well, senator, so 60 votes. it sounds like the 60 votes will be there because of election politics and also some conservative democrats who come from oil producing states. so the president vetoes it but then the republicans come back on just about every bill with an amendment. where does it end there? >> well, i think at some point this will result in some conversations between the new republican leadership and the white house and they'll sort out
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their political modus operandi and we'll move forward. it's important for the president to be firm right at the get-go and not start this relationship by getting rolled. >> jane, with all of this happening in the senate and the possibility of a veto, this all hinges on a supreme court ruling in nebraska. no one can move that, correct? >> the president -- there's no way the president could approve the pipeline. south dakota doesn't have a construction permit, and the nebraska supreme court still has not weighed in. and if it goes to the mick service commission, meaning if the landowners win, they've already won in the lower court. they could change the route which would mean a whole other state department environmental review. the way the president can stop this and the way that the president can continue to stand up with farmers and ranchers and native communities is to reject keystone xl stomach. he does not have to wait for the supreme court for that. there's no reason to continue the dialogue. we know that it's bad for climate and bad for water. that's our message with the pen campaign we have going on right
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now with the president. >> senator, what about the native american tribes that are saying this violates several treaties that they have with the united states? >> well, these tribes go back with that land for many, many generations, and they take their tradition of environmental stewardship very seriously. and when you put them up against the big oil companies that want to rip all the ground up and put the filthy tar sand fuel into our air, my gut is you go with people who care about the land. >> you know, it was interesting in the most recent election in nebraska, lee it terry, a congressman, a republican from nebraska, lost. didn't get much attention nationally. jane, did this issue have something to do with that? >> there's no question. there were a lot of contributing factors of why we lost. there's a growing latino community in omaha. but folks are progressive and are moderate republicans. the moderate republicans know the reality of this pipeline.
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if you live in nebraska, you know exactly what president obama said last weekend. this is a pipeline cutting through our land and water in order to get tar sands to the export market. the only people who want this are the tar sands producers and the alberta government with which makes a lot of money on the royalties of tar sands. and so we continue to stand up with the president and we're asking americans all over the country to send a veto pen and a ve j rejection pen. it has a simple message, ed, and it says this machine stops pipelines. that's what we're looking for the president to do. >> finally, senator, isn't the best argument or your thoughts, there was an oil spill in north dakota a year ago. millions of gallons of oil, and it's still not cleaned up. what happens if that happens in the middle of the country? >> well, it is one of our great natural treasures and supports the economies and the agricultural markets of a great number of states. there are probably hundreds of thousands of farmers who rely on
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that resource and to play around with it with the pipeline of this magnitude is taking a very big chance. we don't need to take that chance and we're certainly adding that off a known climate harm of the equivalent of nearly 6 million additional cars on the road just from the dirty fuel that would come through this pipeline. so we have a known harm and a very big risk of harm and it really doesn't make sense to keep the oil industry pacified. >> senator sheldon whitehouse, jane kleeb, i appreciate your time so much. coming up, the national guard is on alert in the state of missouri, ahead of the ferguson grand jury decision. the struggle goes on and it's not only ferguson. out mone. you know, i think about money kind of a lot. -money's freedom. -money's always on my mind. credit cards. -mortgage. -debt. it's complicated. it's not easy. i'm not a good budgeter. unfortunately, i'm a spender. i would love to learn more about finances.
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headquarters two hours after shooting brown. wilson left with other officers and his union lawyer to be examined at a hospital. audio obtained by the st. louis dispatch indicates the encounter lead i leading to brown's shooting less than 90 seconds. the st. louis grand jirp has been meeting since august 20 to decide whether to indict officer wilson for shooting the 18-year-old unarmed teenager. ferguson is gearing up for unrest. the ku klux klan has distributed fliers threatening, coach, legal force against protesters. area school district announced their plan to transport students home ahead of the announcement about officer wilson. police chief thomas jackson said if the grand jury does not indict wilson he can return to active duty. wilson would be subject ed to a internal review from the police department before being reinstated. if the grand jury does return an indictment for felony, officer wilson will most likely be fired.
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officer wilson has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting. community demonstrations have remained consistent since then. sunday's peaceful demonstration marked the 100th day of protests. joining me tonight msnbc reporter lee and contributor to the grio.com, mrs. maxwell. what is the sense on the ground about the new recordings that have been released by "the st. louis dispatch"? what light does that shed and how does that add to the emotion of the situation? what are you hearing? >> the newly released audio and video give us a glimpse into the moments before the fatal shooting of michael brown by darryl wilson. it really does little one way or the other to folks on the ground. while the temperatures outside remain really frigid, frustrations and emotions are really running high. people are convinced almost to a fault that if the grand jury decides not to indict officer wilson, there will be problems in the street, perhaps a return to those fiery old days of
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august and people are quite frankly as tired as they are, as frustrated as they are. many of them are quite frankly scared of what may come. >> what is the reaction of the community to what the ku klux klan is saying? >> well, folks have been saying for a long time, and if you followed what the law center has done and other folks who followed these groups, missouri has been a hotbed for this activity. while some folks are, again, fearful, a little fearful of what the possibilities are if the klan is involved, others say it's just a few loud mouths who are just taking this as an opportunity to get a little attention, and so whether it's real or not, who knows? it's still another indication of this kind of racially fraught environment. >> what does the releasing of this videotape of officer wilson just hours after the shooting mean to anything? >> obviously when you're looking at this tape and also the family's attorney has noted that you don't necessarily see some of the injuries that were earlier reported and those reports were debunked, a broken
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eye socket and a number of very serious injuries. you don't necessarily see that obviously, this can be more enhanced. the bottom line here is that there's a righteous and justifiable level of outrage that has been there in ferguson and in the st. louis area since this happened because an unarmed kid was killed. and that's really what this is about. and there is such a long history of this. we're in a state of emergency in terms of black lives and whether or not we as a peep, as an american people, think that they matter and whether or not an unarmed person who was killed by a police officer can actually get justice in today's america. >> if you were on the grand jury would you want to see this videotape of the officer -- >> absolutely. >> just hours after the shooting? >> absolutely. one of the other things i think is important for the public to understand is that this is -- so many things in this private grand jury, the secret grand jury, based on the little we know is unprecedented, the fact he was able to come in and basically make his case and make his defense. that's unprecedented, highly unusual.
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and so i think that, you know, if it comes down to no indictment, i don't necessarily think there will be violent riots 0 but i do think there is a justifiable level of outrage that we will see in the form of nonviolent protests and hopefully maybe a cultural shift so that black lives matter going forward. >> has there been a military buildup down there? and what is the reaction of what governor nixon has done, calling in the national guard? >> we haven't seen any buildup as of yet. tomorrow reports the department of homeland security vehicles have been massing by the federal building. i happened to see a few guardsmen just yesterday. but we haven't seen that big kind of buildup amassing of troops. nixon said last week in a press conference he would be redeploying the national guard if necessary. the first time when we heard it back in the early days of this unrest, the national guard coming and there was concern the national guard would be policing
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the protests or activated for some sort of crowd control. instead they kind of guard the command center, the shopping center. i'm getting that's the plan this time as well that they'll be guarding command centers, firehouses and other kinds of specialized targeted areas as opposed to interacting and enforcing any law with the protesters. >> and finally, zerlina, there was only a 90-second encounter between the shooter and the victim. people may draw conclusions. there were a lot of decisions made in a short period of time that the victim would have really had to do something disastrous to have it end in this. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, the thing i think of the most is the shot to the top of the head, thinking about the autopsy. when you talk about someone who is unaround and you're talking about a police officer who is shooting someone in the top of the head, like you said, in just a 90-second span, that is very, very unsettling. so i think that's what i'm thinking about. it's no good.
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>> zerlina maxwell, trymaine lee, msnbc will stay on this show. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the leader of the gop calls for a government shutdown. that's right. el rushbo is calling on the gop to defund the government and trigger a shutdown over the president's immigration plan. >> an unwritten rule in washington whfrp the government gets shut down no matter who is responsible for it, the republicans get the blame and as such the republicans take a giant weapon out of their arsenal of ammunition. it's time to man up and start dealing with this. they were not sent there to govern and participate and compromise. they were sent there to stop it. >> rush limbaugh sees the shutdown as