>> zerlina maxwell, trymaine lee, msnbc will stay on this show. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the leader of the gop calls for a government shutdown. that's right. el rushbo is calling on the gop to defund the government and trigger a shutdown over the president's immigration plan. >> an unwritten rule in washington whfrp the government gets shut down no matter who is responsible for it, the republicans get the blame and as such the republicans take a giant weapon out of their arsenal of ammunition. it's time to man up and start dealing with this. they were not sent there to govern and participate and compromise. they were sent there to stop it. >> rush limbaugh sees the shutdown as a giant weapon.

and he's not alone. the right-wing heritage action which cheered on last year's shutdown is back at it. quote, a long-term funding bill is a little more than a blank check for amnesty. and many house republicans also want to use government funding as a weapon. congressman paul gossa said, quote, i am insisting on that. congressman ted yoho called it a great idea. and congressman steve king demanded republicans uphold the constitution come what may. here is what a top gop senator said about the shutdown talk. >> very briefly you're saying that you don't think that republicans should take the ait, if you will, and do anything to shut down the government? >> well, it doesn't sol of the problem, chris. look, we're having those discussions. we're going to continue to meet about this. the house leaders are talking about it. the senate leaders are talking about it.

>> they're having those discussions. they're talking about it. so far the threats aren't scaring the president. at a press conference in australia before coming home, he said he will act and prevent millions of deportations. >> i waited for over a year for speaker boehner to call that bipartisan bill in the house. but, as i've said before, i can't wait in perpetuity when i have authority that can improve the system. there is a very simple solution to this perception that somehow i'm exercising too much executive authority. pass a bill i can sign on this issue. >> it's now been 508 days since the senate passed an immigration bill, and the house has refused to even vote on it. the president is going to do the

right thing no matter what kind of threats we see from the right. joining me now is jason johnson and joan walsh of salon.com. thank you both for being here. >> glad to be here, rev. >> the latest article is called mcconnell's looming apocalypse, gop conservatives plan budget show down. i want to come back to you on that, joan. could republican jason really shut the government down all over again? i mean, would they really make the same mistake twice? >> it didn't turn out to be a mistake. they won in 2014. the voters didn't make the republicans pay for shutting down the government for no reason. they have no reason to worry about it now. they can shut it down two or three more times before obama leaves office 0.

i think there's a 50/50 chance. >> joan, can the so-called grown-ups in the gop have these calls for a shutdown and impeachme impeachment? are they going to take charge? >> we've been waiting for the grown folks to take charge. you want a mandate, he had an amazing election. they were going to have to soul search and come to the conclusion they were going to have to reach out. i think including some sources in the white house who think mcconnell is the grown-up. i think it's a very vain hope. what happens when they do this, now mcconnell promised he's not going to let them shut down the government again. let's say he wants to stand by that. maybe we will go along with the short-term budget deal. they take some of the fire out

of their base and dissipate their anger somehow through caving in on them. these smaller things lead to a bigger confrontation. it doesn't let them blow off steam. >> you know, jason, senator mitch mcconnell who joan mentioned says he doesn't want to shutdown but over the summer he openly talked about fighting fights with the president over spending bills. quote, we're going to pass spending bills and they're going to have a lot of restrictions on the activities of the bureaucracy. no money can be spent to do it this or that. we have to go after them on health care, on the environmental protection agency across the board. possibly tryiiggering a shutdow

over issues that have nothing to do with immigration? >> of course, rev. you and joan, we're all clear on this have been poking obama in the chest for years saying, hey, hey, we dare to you do something although we're not really going to do our jobs. they want to shut down this presidency. this is not a winning issue. it hurts you with hispanic voters, with voters in the south. if we don't find something to do about the large number of undocumented people in this country it harms all of the united states. i think they still think they can do it but it's foolish and it's a losing long -term strategy. >> i just maybe in another world. all of the real ordinary americans that got hurt last

time. government public workers. clarl damage to our ambitious and it's frightening to think these people are in charge and public servants working for the government that would be put in dire straights. we saw it last time. >> we saw it last time and we saw a $24 billion hit to the economy in lost growth and productivity because of the shuttion. i think a lot of major republican donors do not want to see a shutdown. they don't want to see another fiscal cliff. they don't want these gains anymore. >> because i want to ask you when you say the fiscal cliff, here is what you wrote about the pressure so that the gop shutdown threats on the leadership, quote, with conservatives vowing to use their powers on immigration,

mcconnell will be tested early and often. is this not a classic dilemma, the far right keeps pulling the party off the political cliff? >> yeah, it is it is. they tell the country that they now want to govern and they are going to be responsible republicans. but at the same time they need the right wing of their party and they let them have little showdowns that lead to bigger showdowns and by constantly saying, rev, that this president is lawless, he's a tyrant, he's the most dictatorial, they're inflaming their base, making their base believe he's doing something illegal. >> doing something illegal, j jason, the president made a point that he's taken fewer

executive actions than past presidents. >> with respect generally, the record will show that i have actually taken fewer executive actions than my predecessors. nobody disputes that. what i think has changed is the reaction of my friends in congress exercising fairly typical exercises of authority. >> other problems changed since president obama's take in office, jason. >> i have no idea. maybe the lighting on him is a little different. no one screamed when reagan did this in 1987. what's important, rev, to notice what the president said, lack, as soon as congress signs a bill

and gives me a bill i can sign, i'll crumple up my executive order. he said he wants to work with congress. >> jason johnson and joan walsh, thank you for your time tonight. i'm going to have to leave it there. you thank you. coming up, a gruesome isis video. now the hunt is on for the killers. did they leave important clues? and out of ferguson governor jay nixon declares a state of emergency. does it mean the grand jury decision is coming soon? that plus a new video of officer wilson moments after the michael brown shooting. and beyonce's sister he puts a ring on it and everyone got along. conversation nation is ahead.

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joining me is michael kay, retired senior british officer and military strategist, now a foreign affairs correspondent. thank you for being here. why would isis show where they are? >> i think it's a great question. what we have to understand is that up until now everything that isis has done has been incredibly calculated. they've done that for a reason. having spoken to sources about this, they're really aligning themselves to more of a cult than a terror organization. it's significant for a very good reason because that is where profit muhammad said the day of judgment would occur after the four. >> they wanted to send a me

message? >> it is still intelligence officials are pouring over. what i think it does is every time one of these videos comes out, it exposes them in a different way, releases more information and i think what we're seeing with isis in the brutal nature in which they attack sunni, shia, christians or jews, yes, it's brutal. it cements the nature, it binds the perpetrators into this cult. >> are they sending a message showing these other executioners with their mask on? >> i think what's interesting here this is the first time we've seen a seyrian regime in western er. there was no particular message.

they still have john cantley, the uk journalist, and they're using him in a journalist's role to get across a western type message and john the jihadi, the british man leading the executions so they're kind of using people as pawns in a number of different areas and ways to get across a message. >> how can they use this message? >> i think ever since we saw the brutal video of john the jihadi, they have been poring all over these videos. the latest information is the french have certainly identified the catholic man from normandy who was part of the beheading. american and uk intelligence services will be doing the same thing. now identifying them is one thing because obviously they'll be able to go back, be able to

track what their routes are, go and speak to family and friends and identify what the motives were, if you like, trying to get into the psychology of what turns someone from being a good person on the streets of london or america or europe into converting through radical islam what actually is the process of being disenfranchised. how did that come about? the imams, the mosques, what were the reasons for that? >> given your expertise, do you think they'll find something, the united states? >> the longer it goes on, i do. but the problem is at the moment when you're looking at actually apprehending someone, you need ground forces, you need boots on the ground. you need -- i used to hunt al qaeda in baghdad for years, drop special forces off high asset targets. we were working on months if not years of init tell generals. we would be using various

intelligence networks to identify who was responsible for what and then through a process of listening to people over mobile phone networks and following them through image intelligence you would identify and learn where they were, what their tracks were, called a pattern of life. over a period of time you'd understand what the movements were so you'd be able to apprehend and, you know, do what you needed to do. i think these things do take time. without boots on the ground we have boots on the ground in afghanistan. we have it in iraq. you don't have it in syria. and the reason we don't have it in syria is the actual problem, the root of the problem, the source of the problem to isis isn't being addressed and that, unfortunately, goes back to assad. >> thank you for your time this evening. very interesting. still ahead, state of emergency in ferguson. the national guard activated ahead of the grand jury decision. could it affect how those jurors deliberate? first, it's tame for a little

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governor jay nixon today declared a state of emergency and activated the national guard. he's preparing to send them to the st. louis area when a grand jury decides whether to charge officer dan wilson in the shooting of michael brown. that grand jury decision could come at any time and as we wait for it, we're seeing and hearing from ferguson police officer dan wilson right after he shot and killed michael brown.

in the video he's seen leaving the police station for the hospital, just two hours after michael brown was killed. a second video shows him returning a faw few hours later. radios we hear his voice for the first time. a dispatcher is heard saying, police are looking for two men who stole cigars from a market. at noon officer wilson asked if he could help find them. >> 21 to 25 or 22. you guys need me? >> wilson then reportedly stopped michael brown at 12:02. he radioed this in. >> 21. put me on canfield. >> the shooting happened just after that call. we learned the entire interaction lasted 90 seconds and today as we wait for the

grand jury so many questions remain. legal experts told "the new york times" the most likely charges range from everything from second-degree murder to voluntary manslaughter in the second degree or he might not get charged at all. so where is this going, and do these new videos have any impact on the case? joining me now kendall coffee and host faith jenkins. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, reverend. >> we'll get into the possible charges in a minute. kendall, i want to ask about this new video. how are lawyers on both sides try to use it? >> i think lawyers for the prosecution's side would say, look, if there were a prosecution, there's no evidence of injuries much less injuries that indicate serious body injuries or somebody that thought they might be facing death.

so at least as far as the videos go they do nothing to exonerate officer wilson. >> faith? >> i think what kendall is saying is right. this reminds me of george zimmerman, when they released the video of him walking into the police station after all those reports had komiyama out that he had a broken news. you can't it tell from a video how a person is injured just based on video alone looking at that in a vacuum. now the grand jury has probably seen this video, but this is just a snapshot of what we're seeing. they've probably seep the full range and scope of all of the evidence at this point if all the evidence has now been presented to them. so you can't just look at this video and decide whether or not a person is injured but, yes, the argument could be made from the praurt's side that this is not someone who informs a life-and-death struggle perhaps based on the video. >> if the prosecutor made that argument -- >> if. >> i want to hear from both of you on this, too.

as i mentioned "the new york times" says legal experts believe crimes are likely to be considered in this grand jury. second had-degree murder which could mean 10 to 30 years in presideison, voluntary manslaug which has a penalty of 5 to 15 years in prison, involuntary manslaughter in the first degree, up to 7 years in prison, involuntary manslaughter in the second degree up to 4 years. what do you think? >> well -- >> based on -- i'm sorry. you go ahead. >> it depends on how the prosecutor presents this case to the grand jury. in manhattan, for example, when we present police shootings to grand juries, we may ask the first question after the evidence has been presented, do you think this shooting was justified, i'm talking about police shootings. the first question, do you think the shooting was justified? if the grand jurors return a vote of yes, then they may not get to the second question of what charges should be considered based upon the death of another person.

so he it all depends on how the prosecutor decides to present and charge the jurors on the law. >> kendall? >> this isn't being presented the usual way prosecutors deal with a grand jury. they're getting all of the evidence kind of thrown at them. the prosecutor is going to list the elements of the different crimes, but that's not the way it's normally done. prosecutors typically with police investigate. they do an investigation and then they structure a presentation to a grand jury based on their view of the factual narrative that is compelling that can be proven. it's a matter of leadership with the grand jury and here all the prosecutors are doing is basically standing back, giving them some legal generaltist and telling them to figure it out for themselves. >> which is unusual because -- i want to bring something else on that, kendall, for your reaction. the grand jury itself isn't operating like a typical grand jury. "the new york times" reports,

quote, routinely grand juries are virtual rubber stamps, approving the proposed indictments at the hearifter hea few witnesses. proceedings have been prolonged and exhaustive and more resembling a criminal trial than a normal grand jury hearing. >> very accurate. most of us nope the grand jury processeses that we know and love are heavily led by prosecutors. they do it ethically, they're honest about the evidence, but they pick the evidence that supports their fanarrative. you have an approach to a grand jury that seems to maximize cover for the prosecution office and, frankly, minimize the risk of serious charges. >> it is a different use and some would say, including me -- i wrote in my column today -- a misuse of the grand jury because a grand jury is not there to

determine guilt or innocence. they're there to raise the question -- >> probable cause. >> there's probable cause, we must proceed to a trail to find out if there's guilt or innocence. >> right. police shootings can be a little different. to what kendall was saying normally prosecutors go in, they make a decision. this is why you hire the prosecution or you elect the ones that you elect because you want people who have good judgment to make decisions on cases. and here i think when you look at the grand jury and the way it's being presented to the grand jury, this is a prosecutor who has decided i'm not taking a position. i'm not making a decision and probably what is the most high-profile case of his entire career. he's decided i am taking a step back. i'm putting all of the evidence before these citizens and letting them decide. the are problem is this is not a trail so you don't have lawyers arguing the evidence and analyzing the evidence and presenting the in evidence such a way of making those legal arguments to these nonlegal

experts. and that's where people are concerned about the grand jurors being confused about all of this. the volume of evidence being submitted to them. >> kendall, could they be sending a subliminal message to them that i'm not putting my weight behind this by recommending or leaning toward any lael iegal issue here? >> absolutely that's the message. that's anything but the message a grand jury ordinarily will receive from the prosecution. >> and that is the problem. k kendall mentioned, or i think you, faith, that the video of the grand jury probably has seen the scope of it. but the lawyer for the family, says he hopes they've seen these videos at all because we don't know what they've seen because only the prosecutor controls that. let me show you ben crump, the family's attorney. >> i would hope that they got to see this video and they asked

the same questions everybody in america is asking today. where's his blown-out orbital eye fracture, why are the police two hours later walking around normally? why isn't he at a hospital saying, i can't see? you don't have any of that. it's troubling to michael brown's family. >> but the question is we don't even know if that video was shown to the grand jury because you don't know what is shown and not shown in a grand jury proceeding. >> but we do know what the prosecutor did say in the beginning, and that was he was going to present all of the evidence to these jurors, put it all in and let them make a decision. presumably if he did that then this video was shown. whatever happens in the grand jury, they choose to intight or not to indict. the argument can be made this is not just a grand jury's decision. it's the prosecutor's decision,

too. because it's the way he presents the evidence in the case. the prosecutor can't hide behind the grand jury completely saying this is their decision and we have to just go with that. this is also his decision. >> kendall, talking about decisions, the state of emergency declared by the governor of missouri today, how do you read that? how will that impact the grand jury decision? >> well, i think the grand jury is being told to ignore all those concerns. i think they probably will. obviously there's an assumption that the community is not going to react well, and i think it confirms what all of us have assumed, that the word inside that pro is he is is there isn't going to be an indictment. that's why this concern is so elevated. and, you know, i have to say, i never thought that the local grand jury was going to return charges. i hope, even though we're getting some signals the feds aren't going to indict either,

but i hope that that is seriously examined. >> i think there's a lot of us that will call for -- continue to call for that examination because we need the truth out, and we cannot do it in a secret grand jury proceeding that isn't even behaving like a grand jury. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks, reverend. coming up, jimmy kimmel's celebration of unfriend day. who are you unfriending? a tv anchor wears the same suit every day for a year to make a point about sexism. and beyonce's sister gets married. conversation nation is ahead. nineteen years ago, we thought,

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we're back with conversation nation. joining me tonight krystal ball, chris witherspoon, and liz plank. thank you all for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> we start off with politics. tomorrow it will be two weeks since the election. in the past we've seen presidents at this stage argue

that they are still relevant. i mean, that was the case with bill clinton. but no one is saying that with president obama. in fact, what's different is this seems like his moment from immigration to the environment to isis. it seems like the gop's entire existence revolves around how president obama will act. krystal, it seems a lot of mainstream press is surprised at how consequential the president is it at this point. what's your reaction? >> well, you have to keep in mind he still has the power of the presidency. he still has the veto pen and republicans still don't have a 60-vote filibuster majority in the senate. so the president not only still has a great ability to block bad legislation coming through and a lot of leverage but he's also seeing that there's very little that he's actually going to be able to work with republicans on. the fact that republicans have

been unwilling to act has put the ball in his court. look, i gave you all a chance. now i have to do this alone. he's also over the past year really made climate changes in terms of what his legacy will be, bringing in something he's been working on. major deal with china, major agreement really shifts the ground in terms of climate change going forward. so he's doing everything he can with the great power that he really still has. >> liz? >> and i think we've to put this all into context, right? this was a at this poitypical s election. the party always loses a certain amount of seats. this was a particular she shellacking. wei we saw even conservative people agree with things like minimum wage. i'm not surprised that the president is going ahead with his agenda. >> but are you surprise it had,

chris, the number one issue discussion piece, all of that? president clinton said i'm still relevant. he hasn't had to say that. >> barack obama kms over into entertainment, into hollywood. everyone cares about this nation and the poll six surrounding this nation. i think it's great to see him come back. stow many people thought it was the end of the world. it's great to see obama shaking it off like taylor swift says. >> and let's keep in mind, too, the entire republican strategy has revolved around opposition to this president. so that gives him a certain power as well. >> let me go on to the next topic. they say clothes makes the man but they also make a statement. after his routinely co-host was criticized by viewers with b her on-air outfits they decided to conduct an experiment. he's been wearing the same blue suit on his morning program for a year.

all to make a point saying, quote, no one has noticed. no one gives a blank. but women are judged much more harshly for what they do. >> love that. >> liz, what a statement. i'd get tweets if i wear the same suit in a month. >> you do? i have an anecdote to share. i got more tweets about the fact i wore open-toed shoes with tights than i did about the substance of what i was talking about. >> fashion minded. >> it's the msnbc fashion police. they're really out there to get me. don't wake up the beast. women are judged more harshly on their appearance. >> your socks notwithstanding. you're the exception to the rule. it has real-life consequences. women past the age of 50 basically get pushed out of broadcast iing. if you look at broadcasters over the age of 50, only 1/5 of them

are women. we have to treat this as a real issue. >> you're the culture man, chris. >> i think it's amazing. a-list celebrities and i sit down with women. they have a team of folks that will bring in different outfits, different clothes to see what pops on camera. men bring a black t-shirt, black jaens and be feign. no one really cares what guys are wearing sometimes. >> when i was running for congress my staffers told me the biggest difference is the amount of time and effort that goes into thinking about what the appropriate outfit is. it's a whole community process because you have to think about what am i doing throughout the day and logistically is this appropriate for later on. with men there's a uniform. i love that this guy made this this point. it's so cool that he's supporting. >> it's women judging women. >> it's a great statement and the reason i've gone into happy socks is i'm trying to have a late show on msnbc called sock

it to me, reverend. >> i love it. >> up next, it's national unfriend day. who are you going to unfriend and why? ". ["mony mony" by billy idol kicks in on car stereo] ♪don't stop now come on mony♪ ♪come on yeah ♪i say yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪'cause you make me feel like a pony♪ ♪so good ♪like your pony ♪so good ♪ride the pony the sentra, with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites.

we're back with our panel, krystal, chris and liz, is the feud over? beyonce's sister salon got married in new orleans over the weekend and, yes, jay-z was there. it's the first time they've been seen to go publicly since a video surfaced of a fight between salon and jay-z inside a

new york city elevator in may. we all remember salon attacked jay-z while beyonce stayed off to the side. >> this wedding is the wedding everyone was talking about. beyonce was known as beyonce's baby sister and so it's great to see solange move on. everyone is talking about them right now. it really was her star is born moment. so many great hash tags on instoo gram and this looks like a dynasty moment. their own dynasty. i love it. >> you get so excited. >> i do. it's beyonce and beyonce and solange. >> it doesn't get any better. my favorite thing, everyone was in white. that's a pretty feminist statement in itself. usually you have the bride in white, sort of speaking about this imagery of the virgin and i

just love that everyone was wearing white, embraced it. >> it took away the whole -- >> yeah. >> that was different. >> we just did this whole conversation about how we shouldn't talk about women's clothes. they look -- i mean, she looks so gorgeous and a style in and of herself. it has to be tough to be beyonce's sister and know that on your wedding day you're going to have beyonce right there. but she looks absolutely -- i also love the pant suit that she wore on the bike on the way in. >> finally, happy unfriend day. everyone out there happy unfriend day. it's a day for facebook users to get rid of their facebook friends. jimmy kimmel started the tradition. >> one of your friends asked me to tell you you're getting dangerously close to being unfriended. charged with one or more of the following offenses. you post too much. you spell check too little. you won't shut up about politics. you won't shut up about your kid.

too many photos of your food, your body, your feet, your feet on vacation, your throw back thursday makes me want to throw up on thursday. >> all right, rapid fire. here, krystal, who are you unfriending today? >> i don't totally support this whole concept. it's a little mean. i'm going to unfriend the democrats who don't stand for anything. grow a backbone. stand up for what you believe in. >> chris? >> i follow celebrities for a job. i'm going to unfriend kim kardashian. she gives you so much on instagram. some is he so unyouauthentic. i will unfriend had he and follow her again tomorrow. >> i didn't know you were wo working like that. liz? >> i am going to unfriend "time" magazine for saying we should ban feminism and kale. that's not okay. i'm unfriending them until they take it back. they said feminism was dead 20 years ago and now they're saying we should ban the word. not cool. >> so you're unfriending "time" magazine. well, i guess --

>> who are you unfriending? >> well, the person knows. >> i love it. >> you are finished. >> that's it. >> over with. you've been unfriended. and if you complain, i'm going to tell it on national television. you know! krystal, chris, and liz, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back. hungry for the best? it's eb. want to give your family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. eggland's best. better taste. better nutrition.

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capitol. >> although emmett till died senselessly and far too soon it can never be said that he tied in vain. his tragic murder galvanized millions to action. and today we commemorate this legacy by planting a tree in his honor that will become his living memorial here at the heart of our republic, in the shadow of the united states capitol. >> a living memorial to a life cut short. two men were put on trial for till's murder. both were found not guilty. an all-white jury deliberated just over an hour which included a break for soda pop. at the funeral till's mother decide d to have an open casket revealing his maimed body to the world. mourners were shocked by what they saw. some collapsed in grief and anger, photos of till's mutilated face were published in "jet" magazine, inspiring

millions to join the civil rights movement. years later, till's mother explained her decision. >> mr. rainer wanted to know was i going to have the casket opened. i said, oh, yes, we're going to open the casket. let the people see what i see. i said, i want the world to see this. >> she wanted the world to see what those men had done to her little boy. i got to meet several times mamie till mobley and she came to headquarters in harvard. she said to me, reverend, always remember that one of the greatest things you can do for the country is expose things that are hidden. make people see this is above politics and profiling. this is about real pain. to many people this was an

issue. to me, it was my little boy. i don't care how much we're criticized and castigated. people need to know when things happen in the margins, people matter no matter what station and part of the country they're in. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right the now. days of anger, ferguson, the immigration order, a weekend beheading, a new ebola death, stopping iran's nuclear path, an imminent fight over keystone all coming to the american doorstep this week. suddenly the whole world is playing "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washing n washington. it's a gloomy world out there