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probably best for bacoehner to keep resistance short and simple, after all keeping it short and simple is what speaker boehner does best. >> not many of you know the boehner birthday song it's simple. this is your birthday song, it doesn't last too long, hay. >> that's all for now "the ed show" is next. good evening americans and welcome to the "the ed show." the keystone pipeline has never been this close to the president's desk. it's "the ed show" from new york, let's get to work. >> tonight, the senate has an important opportunity. >> later today the senate will vote on the keystone pipeline. >> we've been building pipelines for a long, long time. >> she now has 60 votes needed
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to push the pipeline forward. >> how do you feel. >> 137 years family tradition, being threatened. >> the keystone pipeline veto, it would be equal to tecalling e american people stupid. >> the cleanest barrel of oil produced in north america. >> calling the american people stupid. >> what is everybody so upset about. >> senator mary landieu what is everybody upset about, let's see, oil, taxes, and trade. this is what the new power is going to give america. we start tonight with breaking news, within the hour the senate is expected to vote on the volunta controversial keystone pipeline project which is now over 6 years old. there are 59 yes votes for the stand loan legislation being
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offered by senator from north dakota. this is the closest the project has been to the president's desk many earlier today house speaker john boehner had harsh words for president obama on the keystone pipeline. >> tonight the senate has an important opportunity to send a bill to bill the keystone pipeline to the president's desk. let's be clear about this. a keystone pipeline veto would send the signal that this president has no interest in listening to the american people. vetoing an overwhelmingly popular bill would be a clear indication that he doesn't care about the american people's priorities, it would be equal to calling the american people stupid. >> and 97% of americans wanted back ground checks on firearms but it just doesn't happen. boehner has a habit of not
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listening to the american people as well. don't know who it really hurts. land owners. they have never been in the middle of the country and spoken with the people who might have this pipeline running through their land. there's a lot of people in congress who haven't done their homework. i spoke with land owners in nebraska, their number one concern is the water supply. >> we are on very fragile soil. we have sand and right over the aquifer. you don't have to go down very hard until you start hitting that water. there's a vast amount of water right there. in sand and gravel mixture, if there's a crack or leak, it's going to get into that porous material and it's going to be in that water very rapidly. as a matter of fact, i really believe in most cases, in terry's soil or my soil, we're
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going to not see any evidence of that leak for a while. above ground. >> so senator mary landieu on the senate floor asked the question what's everybody worried about, well go to the middle of the country and you'll get the straight answer. no one knows what an oil spill would mean over the aquifer if it were to happen. the impact could be disastrous for not just nebraska but effecting 16 different states. the 59 senators supporting the pipeline don't seem to care too much about our water supply. it's more about oil profits. democrats on board think this vote will help senator mary landieu's reelection chances. the run off election is december 6th and she was out stumping hard for the keystone pipeline earlier today making questionable claims on the senate floor.
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>> it was really important for us to get this pipeline built for any number of reasons, the main reason -- the main reason is it will signal a great sign that america understands that energy independence for your nation is possible for the first time ever. and when i mean energy pe independen independence, i mean for the north american continent. >> so we want to send a signal. we want to risk spoiling the aquifer which is terribly important to the agriculture to the middle of the country but it is okay we need to send this signal. that's the most important thing she has. the keystone pipeline will not make america energy-independent as the president has pointed out
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last week we are more energy-independent than we have ever been. the oil will flow from candlesti the gulf. the jobs are short-term. many done by journeymen. the environment will be at risk. this is the wrong direct. last week president obama reached a historic climate deal with china who republicans said would never come to the table. did they really get the message. what's the signal that is sent senator landeskog. senator mary landieu.
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>> nebraska state supreme court is looking at the case right now and will render opinion in a few months. in south dakota, dealing with the native american population, the pipeline is slated to run through the middle of the native american tribal lands. i visited the rose bud population in april and spoke to the leaders of the tribe they told me the pipe line would violate a treaty. does that mean anything to anybody? it goes back to 1868, the laramie treaty. it would put the environment at risk. >> what would it mean if the president said no to this? >> when president obama was campaigning in 2008 he came to sioux falls, south dakota and met with a number of tribal
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leaders and at that meeting he was given a name -- the man who helped his people. so he would be living up to his name and the destiny we hope he will fulfill as one who helps the people, not just sioux people but everyone in the united states and throughout the world. >> that's pretty amazing. you think he remembers that? >> i do. and we hope that he remembers the commitment he made to support american indians, who supported him, and that he does the right thing not only for us but for all americans. >> a few weeks later met with rose bud sioux tribe in washington, d.c. and here's what they told me. >> we are willing to die on behalf of our way of life. and the water. >> our people are so passionate. our people are ready to die. we want to be on the front line.
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we are willing to give our lives to stop this. we know what it will do to the people. ifs. >> ready to die? what does this mean? scott made his threat again on wednesday in this statement 678. for . >> the rosebud sioux are standing strong in their campaign against the pipeline. on monday activists set up this inflatable pipeline in mary landieu's front yard in washington, d.c. today youth activists staged a protest outside senator bennett of colorado and senator tom carpenter who demanded against the pipeline.
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activists from the tribe are still on capitol hill working hard. senator mary landieu calling in hark in and rock fella and michigan they are standing tall. they aren't going with the keystone pipeline. let me know what you think. will senator mary landieu say anything to win? leave us a text and we'll bring results later on the show. for more let me bring in president of the rosebud sioux tribe. good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here, ed, thank you. >> you bet. you said you are willing to lay down your life to stop this. do you feel the same way tonight? >> yes, i do, ed. this is a way of life. we're taubing abo talking about of life of all native american people. i was elected to defend our
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people. i will do that. >> are you willing to be confrontational with law enforcement. >> we hope it won't come down to that but we're willing to be confrontational with keystone pipeline if they try to cross our treaty lands. >> and you are legally solid that there has not been consultation with the sioux as stipulated in previous treaties is that correct? >> that is correct, sir. >> and what kind of reaction do you get from authorities when you ask for consultation? >> none, sir. the treaty calls for us to meet with the president of the united states to this day we've never had that opportunity but i'm pretty sure it will happen here in the near future. >> you think you'll meet with the president. >> i really do. >> do you think the president will side with you on this issue and veto a bill if it comes to him? >> sure. i'm positive he will. he's going to do the right thing. as my colleague said earlier,
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the president was honored with a great name here. and he's going to do the right thing for native americans and the country itself. we're not just fighting for our rights and our children and grandchildren but for your children and your grandchildren. this wraater has to be protecte at all costs. >> the issues are the permitting of the land, the nebraska state supreme court talking about eminent domain, the concern of the treaties being honored and your tribes being consulted and the protection and the risk of the water. that plays into it as well. those are basically the four main issues as this vote is unfolding. >> right, ed. >> all right. mr. scott good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. i want to bring in cofounder of another tribe in south dakota. allow
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. >> i'm getting my thoughts together. i always want to appreciate you and your show. i want to clarify some things, we have an organization to help with awareness around sexual violence and promote healthy masculini masculinity. we support chairman scott and believe in what he was saying in this fight to protect the land. >> thank you for that clarification. what are your main concerns about this pipeline from a construction standpoint considering the organization that you represent? >> well, i mean, it's really clear, ed, like you said, the people are going to be coming to work on these pipeline are journeymen from all over the country and don't have a vested interest in our communities at all. we have grave concerns because of what we have seen in the balken oil fields, what we've
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seen in alberta, canada there are 2700 missing women right now. in the balken oil fields we have seen 70% increase of sexual violence up there. native women are at a higher risk of sexual violence. will be sexually assaulted at a rate of 30%. we think it is closer to 40 or 45% and 86% those are non-native offenders. you put us in a situation when this pipeline comes through, we're in a rural area, you bring in 1200 or 2,000 guys and things are going to happen. not that all these men are bad, it is just a huge population coming in and creates a recipe for disaster for our women and children. >> how sure are you that thee workers are going to commit crimes. that's quite an indictment here.
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>> i'm saying there are bad apples everywhere you go. even if it is one or two guys, not everybody is perfect, not everyone will make good decisions and there's some grave concerns there. i'm not saying this out of the blue. we've seen that increase happen in the balken oil fields, we've seen it up in canada we know this will happen. there's quantifiable proof that our people will be exposed, our relatives will be exposed to violence. >> although you have been working the hill, you're coming from washington, what do you marry from lawmakers on this issue. what do they tell you to your face. >> you know what, when we have met with several senators they are basically saying even though we are concerned and worried that's not really our problem, we're going to keep going forward with it. those who are supporting us, they are rallying behind us saying this is what it is about, it's about people coming up,
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people taking control and reminding our leaders that we put them it will. >> i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us. >> you could easily make the case that there's nothing progressive with what mary landieu is doing your thoughts in her trying to save her seat by gathering votes for keystone pipeline. >> so one myth i want to dispel is this is a case of good policy and good politics this is both bad policy and bad politics for mary landieu. the same bill will fapass in senate and house, the same bill will be in the election next month, that is the republican bill sponsored by her opponent is the one that will physically go to the white house for signature. if we destroy the environment and hurt life on these tribes,
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if we have, by the state department's estimation, 50 bills as a result of this pipeline, the big beneficiary is her opponent bill cassidy. this is not about oil prices or energy-pend ens, this is about oil profits, same big oil companies that contributed to mary landieu. >> would this injure the progressive movement on climate change. you will have double digit democrats voting for this. >> absolutely. every single times the democrats try to act like republicans, voters choose real republicans. we saw that with mark warner almost losing in virginia by trying to be a republican. this is a big oil bill. to pass this is to really show big ideas, big ideas, like expanding social security benefits, this is the exact
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opposite, doing the bidding of big oil. this would hurt the democrat band in a major way and every time there is an oil spill voters will remember republicans were behind this. >> does the left help mary landieu raise money after that vote. >> i doubt it. there's not much money coming from the left right now because she's not campaigning on big bold ideas. something popular in louisiana is social security and that the wall street bankers who illegally took away the homes of her constituents should go to jail in some way and she's not talking about these issues and she's hurting herself by sullying the democratic brand, associateding it with big oil. >> thanks for your help toffoli. keep it here for live coverage of the keystone pipeline senate vote expecting to begin this
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>> and today's top trender, bernie buzz. >> you're a socialist. do you frighten people when you walk around the capitol? >> hopefully we frighten the billionaire class. >> senator sanders considers a 2016 campaign. >> you're the longest serving independent in congress. >> and proud of it. >> you are a rebel rouser. >> if sanders runs for president he will by a real challenger to obvious front runner hillary clinton. >> when you stand up and fight ordinary people respond. >> what we have to as certain is whether or not in this country there's willingness to put together a strong grass roots movement. >> joining me tonight, professor of politics at usc.
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no question the independent from vermont has a lot of media exposure with eight interviews today plus on kobe air what does this mean. >> my firm back in the business used to be involved with bernie sanders in his campaign in vermont. this guy is authentic, funny, has strong convictions, he's a good debater, no question he could help shape the dialogue. could he prevail over hillary clinton? i don't think so. for one thing, despite his retorical edge he's out there talking about income equality. he has to come up with a dividing line. i heard him go after bill clinton on issues like financial deregulation and economic fairness, that is adangerous to use against her if she's out there with her own mess ang and
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vision. >> is she really out there. she's not doing interviews with anybody. bernie will take every question. hillary doesn't do that. >> well she's going to do it in her own timing. she won't let her timing be driven by bookers for the networks. if you listen to her speeches during midterm election and alongside elizabeth warren at times it was hard to tell them apart in terms of what they were saying. i think she learned from 2018 she's not going to run a campaign of restoration but on big issues and it will have a populous edge. bernie sanders certainly can run. can he raise the money. it all depends on the net root, barack obama showed what you could raise on the internet. there's so much on the line from
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supreme court to health care to jobs to economic fairness she will be a big nominee. in the end i don't think he prevails. >> how does he come to a conclusion that he would have a chance to get the nomination? i'm not convinced that bernie sanders would get into this just for the conversation to be part of it. i think he would get into it because he believes there's a void and he could offer something and he could win it, but is it the money? he goes around the country and gets excellent crowds and he's up front. he's very consistent with his answers for years, we know who the guy is and it doesn't take long to get to know him if you pay attention to him. how does it come to determination whether he does it. >> he has to raise the money on the internet. you're not going to have big contributors giving him money
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because they don't think he will win. >> yeah. >> number two, if no one else runs, hillary is far ahead than where she was in 2008, now at 67% democrats want her back then 31%. if they want to get in and have a contest, you know, when people start thinking about becoming president they can look at something like the obama-clinton race and say it's worth giving it a try. do i think it's like obama in 2007? i don't. i have a lot of respect for bernie sanders. i hope he never couldnntemplate independent third party, i doesn't think he wants to be ralph nader of 2016. >> no, he knows what the other side is all about. new details ahead about adrian peterson. stay tuned live coverage here on
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. you're looking at a live shot of the senate floor as lawmakers are looking to debate a bill to approve keystone pipeline. the sen aate is expected to taka vote within the next half hour keep it here we'll give you the latest. senator what are you hearing on the floor. >> i think the vote will be within one or two either way. a very close vote and heated debate on the floor. we'll have to wait to see how each senator voltes but we know it will be very close. >> j are you voting against the pipeline. >> i think it makes no sense. the dirtiest oil from canada being transported through the united states when canada
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doesn't want it transported their country. we're not talking significant jobs and not creating long term jobs. >> senator mary landieu said it is about sending a signal what is your response to that. >> i disagree with her conclusion. i really don't believe this will benefit the united states, i know we will hurt our international leadership dealing with climate change. not only it's use but how you get it from the ground that causes a tremendous negative impact on our environment. >> do you think there's a feeling in the senate caucus that they want to help mary landieu. >> i think mary landieu is a very articulate legislator and look she's persuasive. she makes a strong case, i disagree with it. but i think we feel she represents her state very well.
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>> what do you think the prewill do if it comes to his desk. >> i don't have a definitive judgment. i would hope if we don't stop it here that he would veto it but we don't know that. >> do you get a sense he would. >> everything he has said about vi keystone pipeline in the past you would hope he would. >> thank you so much. we are expecting a senate vote on keystone pipeline within the hour. stay tune for all the latest here on the "the ed show" we're right back.
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players association made it clear they will appeal calling on nfl management to commit collective bargaining because they believe the nfl has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and arbitrary disciplinary proceeding. in september he was indicted on felony charge for using a wooden stick on disciplining his four-year-old son. today's nfl ruling comes after reports surfaced that peterson failed so show up for a hearing on friday. peterson released this quote. joining me now new york times
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sports columnist and professor at georgetown university. good to have you gentleman. >> thank you. >> failure to show meaningful remorse for his conduct, bill, what's that mean? >> what people have to realize is that those comments peterson made in a grand jury hearing. he made those comments in a grand jury hearing where he was trying to say why he did what he did. he was being -- you know, he was on the defense saying this is why i did what i did. for the nfl to take those comments and basically turn around on him, i think, is part of this inconsistency that is the root of a much larger problem how the nfl plays to the crowd. everything from ray rice, the public outcry now we're doing this.
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same with the vikings they were going to reinstate him, then the public outcry and oh, we're not going to suspend you. so i think everything that is happening here i think is about playing to the crowd. >> doctor, the running back of the vikings, adrian peterson, said he didn't if do what nfl said they were going to do that's why he didn't show up. your thoughts on this? you got to deal with the fact that you got to be consistent. you got to be lucid. you got to be clear. and the players have to understand what's being asked of them, required of them, demanded of them, and what the punishment is should they fail to meet a certain obligation. while i acknowledge that truth, the playing to the galleries and the crowd, you know, putting your finger in the wind, if it blows this way you act this way if it blows that way you act
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another, that's all true, at the end of the day, there are victims, a woman was beaten u in this case a child was beaten. the real victims. not a guy who is losing a bunk of money. >> you think the commissioner did the right thing? >> well look, whether the commissioner did the right thing or not is irrelevant to the broader issue that punishment needs to be we'ded out for this man's abuse of a child and ray rice's abuse of his then fiance. i don't think there should be arbitraryness in what the punishment is. we shouldn't lose site of the victims in this case. >> that's all true. of course it is all true. that's like saying, who likes christmas, we all like christmas, of course.
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you have to do that. the problem is, what the commissioner is trying to do, unless you have a league made up primarily of black players and a fan base made up of white fans, what he's trying to do is let the people that i've got this under control that i'm running the show that these people are not out of control. by the way the players association gave up the right. >> are you suggesting the nfl has a leadership problem. >> oh, yeah, they definitely have a leadership problem. it was a problem with rice. i mean, for everything that professor dice has said is true. look at how the whole ray rice thing was. >> okay. here's brad shaw former analyst. here's what he said earlier today.
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>> doctor, what do you think of that? >> no question that there's a question of balance, a question of power, fairness, arbitraryness, i agrease wie wi that. but i don't believe it is evident that women and children are victims here. because if it was so evident we would have a policy in place to address this. i want to make it more explicit, yes there is a sense we got to get these people under control and the pathology that bleeds through their families will bleed through our brand and tarnish what we can do economically. on the other hand let's speak up for the voiceless and nameless
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and often faceless victims, and that is women and children. we can't afford that kind of moral responsibility without being honest about both these issues of money and morality is at play. we have to pay attention to both. >> the commissioner is not being moral. in other words he sees a tape of ray rice beating his girlfriend and his first response is, okay, you get three games. now we see the whole tape, now there's more outcry and he has to sort of change it. he didn't see that event as a father looking at his daughter. >> yeah. >> so i agree about the morality. but these guys aren't dealing with morality they're dealing with which way the wind is blowing as was said. >> i agree we don't need a follow up of what peterson is
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doing. let's put it off until next year. we got to send a message that if players get involved in with any of this stuff league won't be part of it. >> yes no question about it. they are concerned about the press, the media and at the same time can't forget the real victims here. >> yeah. gentleman thanks so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. we're still waiting for the final vote on the keystone pipeline. we'll bring you the latest. revolutionizing an industry can be a tough act to follow,
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to see if they decide to indict or not indict police officer darren wilson. police, protesters and the national guard are waiting for a decision. late yesterday missouri governor declared a state of emergency. the declaration will allow national guard troops to support police if necessary. >> it sends a message that we are expecting the worst. i worry about that. >> we don't want officers injured. >> we are intending to make it peaceful. >> protesters have been marching the streets of ferguson since brown's death. james noles, the mayor of ferguson is back tracking on a comment he made in august. he says he regrets saying there is not a racial divide in ferguson. he said, quote, there are racial dwoids in this country. there are divides between men and women. i took the stand that i felt somebody was attacking what i knew to be a good community who
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embraced diversity who loved our neighborhood. the district attorney says he expects a decision by the end of this month. i am joined by benjamin crump. the governor calling for state of emergency, getting national guard involved. what is this doing to the emotions of the people of ferguson and do you think it is the right thing to do? >> emotions are running high. i think as michael brown's parents have said over and over again that citizens of ferguson are good people. they have a right to express their first amendment constitutional rights. they will do it in a peaceful krublthive way and want people to come out of town to help join them and follow their example because we as americans should expect the best not only from our citizens but also from our police officers. the governor has never spoke about the inappropriate things
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that police officers have done. the very essence why we are here is what many believe was inappropriate behavior on behalf of the police. he needs to be even handed to both groups. >> you do not believe the governor has been even handed in this? >> when you look at his comments he is talking about supporters to michael brown. we saw the horrible images where police officers were pointing guns at 13-year-old children and shooting women with rubber bullets. we said this isn't the america that we all know. america has to be america for everybody, the people in ferguson as well as those who police ferguson. we want to be protected and served, not policed. >> how instrumental or how influential do you think the video tape released plays into the whole ordeal? >> it is important because ferguson police did what police
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departments all across america do when they have accusation of excessive force they try to vilify the victim and try to put the police on a pedestal. by exaggerating this leak the injury was orbital blown out eye socket. when you look at the video and this is two hours later. if the injury was that significant why wouldn't he have went immediately to the hospital. america will have to judge. >> what is your reaction to the mayor's back tracking on his comment about racial diversity in ferguson? >> i think clearly you have to look at the makeup of the police department as saying there was lack of diversity there when you have almost 70% of the town african-american yet you have only three police officers out of 55. so we have work to do as a
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country. we have some serious conversations. we have to find positive solutions here. this will be a defining moment not only for missouri but for america. we have to do better. >> how troubling is it to you as an officer of the court that there have been leaks out of the grand jury and what effect does that have on all of this? >> we never felt there should have been a grand jury in the first place. this community has mistrust by the law enforcement authorities and the prosecutors. the worst thing we think we can do is do a secret proceeding that isn't transparent. if we didn't have the grand jury we wouldn't have to worry about leaks. we have a right to due process of the law. michael brown jr. who was laying dead on the street has a right to due process of the law. lastly, if he thought this process was so fair then he should have did this all along.
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why now when michael brown is killed do we change the rules? >> thank you for your time tonight on "the ed show." the senate is voting on the keystone pipeline. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" starts now. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news, right now the senate is voting on the keystone xl oil pipeline, a project that stirred up huge divisions and an issue at the center of political and environmental fights for years. 60 votes are needed to bring this to the president's desk. the fight is over a plan to bring oil from alberta, canada down to the gulf of mexico. tonight's vote hinges on getting approval to
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