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eastern. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show." live from detroit lakes, minnesota, let's get to work. >> announcement by the st. louis county prosecutor is expected later today. >> they have reached a decision. >> very tense situation in ferguson. >> engage nationally in a conversation between law enforcement and communities of color. >> tensions continue to mount zwl this time it is like waiting for a hurricane. >> need to protest peacefully. >> i'm sympathetic. i have sons who look like michael brown. >> there's more positive things happening in our community versus violence and rioting. >> using any of that for violence is contrary to rule of law and contrary to who we are.
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>> good to have you with us tonight folks. thanks for watching. we start with the big news out of ferguson, missouri. we're expecting an announcement sometime soon by the st. louis pr prosecutor. the grand jury decision has been made. could indictment officer wilson on a range of charges. second degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manesslaughter. any of those. police have set up a command post few blocks from where the shooting took place in august. one school cancelled classes today and tomorrow. other schools are preparing for changes as well. school officials want to limit
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students from walking through protest areas. the past weekend was quiet in ferguson, mississippi ms. protests were limited. only two people were arrested for just blocking traffic. on sunday president obama urged protesters the to keep demonstrations peaceful. >> i think first and foremost keep protests peaceful. this is a country that allows everyone to express their views but using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law and contrary to who we are. >> michael brown's father is also delivering a plea for peaceful protest. >> hurting others or destroying property is not the answer. no matter what the grand jury decides do i not want my son's death be in vain.
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i want it to lead it incredible positive change that makes the st. louis region better for everyone. we are stronger united. let's work together to heal to create lasting change. for all people, regardless of race. >> tensions are no doubt high in ferguson, missouri as they aawait the announcement from the grand jury. in the meantime gun sales have increased in the area, businesses are boarding up windows and there's a general sense of unrest in ferguson and the surnrounding cities. for more we bring in general attorney parks. this really is the moment of truth for many americans, going to the highest level of responding from the president of the united states. the country is watching this. your sense in the way this has
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all unfolded in the timing of the grand jury. is this normal? what do you think? >> well, ed, i have to tell you, i haven't spentvnhaven't have . >> i have spent a lot of time with the michael brown family. this has worn on them. remember michael brown, jr. was killed on august 9th of this year, we're now at november 24th right now, it's been a while where this guy continues to go free. they are very unrestful and have been for many months now. given the fact of this injustice. so, they have not rested well as a result of all of this. >> mr. parks, does the family know what the decision is? >> no they don't know the decision. all that we got shortly, i guess
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around 3:00 or 4:00 today, was a phone call from the district attorney that there will be an announcement later today. we believe they should have been told more than just that. in fact they should have come and talked to them about process and what is about to take place raer rather than just a phone call. but the brown family has said so often that they don't like how they have been treated as this process has gonna long. >> so the brown family tonight, their news consumers just like you and me. being treated just like the general public. >> very much so. >> okay. what do you think of that? >> well, it's no good. i think that the tradition in this country, ed, is when you have a person who is a victim, we accord victims great rights throughout this country. most officers have advocates who go around and walk the victims
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through the process, that's what we're accustomed to in our community. so we believe in this case that's what should have taken place. however this family is very leary of the prosecutor in this case. they are very leary of the leaks and the process and approach that he has taken to deal with this case. for example, when you think about the fact the he has chosen to put all the evidence in this case in front of the jury rather than what he believes he needs to get a prosecution. the fact he has let them decide for themselves, rather than giving them direction, clearly makes this family leary of his desire to prosecute and get an indictment fror the officer. so those concerns continue today. they have a great concern about whether or not this prosecutor has moved forward with zeal in
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trying to get an indictment in this case for the killing of her son. >> so hours before the grand jury announces its decision, is it safe to say, or correct to say that the brown family really isn't happy with anything that has come down, all the way from the governor, the way he handled it, the naacp ceo told me there were five complaints brought against this prosecutor before michael brown was ever shot. there were problems in the past. as this has gone on, there's nothing the brown family is pleased with, is that a fair statement? >> i think their focus is on the prosecutor. they obviously have feeling towards the governor and law enforcement, but i will say this here, though, ed, they have two may have been concerns, number one, is -- is -- is the fact
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that how this prosecutor has gone forward in setting the process to properly indict the person that killed their son, number two, they continue to try to make sure that they are safe as this process is going on. obviously they have been -- there are some in the community there who don't see eye to eye in terms of with them and things that have taken place there in ferguson and throughout the st. louis metropolitan area. some will side with the officers, some people will side with michael brown's family. however the family's main focus is this, they want to see an indictment. because they believe that the process and the trial and evidence in this case should not be something that is done in secrecy but should be done in the public trial after the indictment takes place. so there will be indictment and they will be able to move to
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public trial so we can all see the evidence. one important thing in this situation, i think it is important that the whole american public see that this not be decided by a back room jury. this shouldn't be a back room situation. >> all right. attorney for the brown family, daryl parks, appreciate your time. thanks for spending time with us this evening. let me bring in director of the peca national networks live free campaign. and also with us msnbc contributor. gentleman thank you for being with us. there are expected to be protests in about 100 cities across the country. new york city is expecting about a thousand protesters. what will we see across the
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country given any kind of decision, your thoughts. >> i believe what we all will see is a continued commitment to justice, to calling for the end to the rogue police officers in our communities who continue to shoot and kill members of our communities who are unarmed. we will see peaceful non-violent dom demonstrations, we will continue to stand and pray with them and will you see that spirit across the country. we should be so proud that people are so engaged around something so important at this moment in time. >> reverend mcbride, if there is no indictment of the officer in question, officer wilson, if he walks, are we to believe that these protests are going to remain peaceful?
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that's a question everyone is afraid of. are we confident as a nation we can talk through and protest through this. >> let's be clear. all we have to go after of is our history. it is clear that in the first day or so there were indeed some willmen elements in the crowd w were engaging in certain acts of violence and destruction but they with controlled by members in the crowd. this continues to dehumanize the community and all the young people who have been training and commitmenting themselves with non-violence protest and been met with force that we think is il moral. i'm confident the young people we have been working with, hundreds of people going through
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non-violent training every day to hold their emotions in the face of what we don't anticipate or can expect, none of us have a crystal ball but we can go off history. after 100 days no fatalities, less than $1 million of destruction compared to billions of dollars in other cases. this is a largely non-violent response and i believe it will continue. >> hopefully that is the way it will be. i want to talk about what congressman from missouri said, he said these protesters are not your john lewis protesters, these are kids who are tired of being shot at. what is your response to that? how do you see this playing out tonight? >> i think a couple things, i think the reverend is right,
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there's been a huge effort on the parts of grass roots organizers to train young people on non-violent civil disomoves. young people are fed up. doesn't mean they're not committed to non-violent civil unrest. the real question is what kind of presentation is the police force going to make in the face of these protests. a lot of time we're calling for peace or some assembly of organized protests and we're getting that over the last hyundaundre hyundai -- hundred -- days. i don't want to lose the human quality of this whole thing. the reality is at the end of the
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day, michael brown was dehumanized and we need to humanize him. he was a human being who lost his life from as far as we can tell for no good reason at the hands of law enforcement. that is disrespectful and awful. if you look across the country with a list of a whole host of names, we have a serious problem with pleasing tactics in these communities. police are charged with serving and protecting communities and we're finding we have to protect ourselves from the police. so i'm concerned about having confidence in law enforcement to condictionauct themselves in a t they can conduct themselves civilly with the protesters. >> you bring up an interesting point. in the midst of all this, there's going to be a big interpretation made.
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reverend how much has been communicated from law enforcement about what they will tolerate. for every action there's a reaction. the first action from law enforcement is that they are heavily equipped like there's a war zone breaking out. what is the message? reverend, your thought s? >> it has been disappointing at best. we have been meeting members of the community, members of aclu, with law enforcement, attempting to get rules of engagement, there's been a lack of transparency over the last week or so. one of our clergy leaders out there engaging in act of civil diso bead ens, a police officer tore off her dress calling her a devil and arrested her.
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meanwhile cthe kkk comes onto te network saying they will plan protests. it is an outrage. i expect non-violent peaceful protests to continue. we are calling on the governor and the elected officials to stand up and protect us during this verdict, not from one other but from the law enforcement officer who may not be under control. don't need to be protected against peaceful protesters who for a hyundaundred -- days have great discipline. >> i appreciate your time. we continue to follow developments out of ferguson, mississippi muslim. the
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blast mascaras - from easy, breezy beautiful covergirl. show us how you blast it at covergirl.com/blast welcome back to "the ed show." we're awaiting the grand jury's decision on possible indictment of playoffs darren wilson in the shooting and killing of 18-year-old michael brown. attorney general holder travelled to ferguson to meet with local law enforcement. in september investigation was opened siting deep mistrust between the officers and the community. this past weekend president obama said the mission extends far beyond ferguson. >> part of what i asked him to
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do is engage nationally in a conversation between law enforcement and communities of color that often times feel as if they are not being treated fairly by law enforcement officials. >> i'm joined by msnbc national reporter on the scene in ferguson and also america's attorney and host of ring of fire radio and host of the reed report here on msnb krrk. tremaine is there a sense of tension. i don't think there's a grand jury anticipation before the news comes out. what is the community like there. >> right here it is still relatively calm. more media out here then anybody else. just a few miles down the road in ferguson when you talk to
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protesters, they are tense, they are anxious, been waiting for this moment for several weeks. while we don't have an exact time what that announcement la be, it is palpable. will you have the spontaneous eruption like you did the first time, maybe not, now that this movement has matured and they have come organized you will certainly see acts of diso bead ens. we know the national guard is mobilized and dispatched to help supplement law enforcement. what it will look like, we don't know. >> has the relationship between the community and law enforcement gotten better since the shooting, the visit of eric holder, the mission and comments the of the president, is there more of a togetherness in the community than what we have seen in the past? >> i think early on when you
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heard attorney general holder come out and the president reference what is going on in ferguson it went a long way, in the sense, from the highest level of government people are supporting free speech. something was amiss and they were here to support them. in terms of the big abyss, the big gap between the low income black community and the police, it is wide as ever. especially the preemptive mobilization of the national guard went a long way. to say they are closer, no. but in the wake of all of this, community leaders have been meeting with police but there is common ground. no one wants to get hurt. once we get into the thick of it, only time will tell. >> president obama put an emphasis on building trust in
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the community. >> in the end what i have confidence in is if we do a better job of training our law enforcement to be sensitive the to the minoritiey communities - they need law enforcement more than anybody. >> there hasn't been a real illustration of trust the way law enforcement has beefed up security with equipment, with presence, it's like a combat zone. have we moved forward and have these prepations by law enforcement necessary. >> it is interesting because you see this hyper militarization that we saw with the initial protests in ferguson and the response to this impending decision has been more build up. the police, essentially, to your point, appearing to prepare for
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the worse rather than building for community trust. not much can be done if the local political leadership if no trust in the community. the basic boston line trust that the community has for its city council, or mayor, or police chief is not there, so the city of ferguson has to bring in county enforcement and layer on the national guard. we were talking about police officers not wearing their identification. of people feeling the police were trying to hide their identities, a real tense attitude coming towards protesters. i don't know if that has changed but we will see once this zichgs comes out. decision comes out. >> mike, you're one of the best legal bar in the country, we know more about this now than several months ago, how will
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this unfold. your professional take on it, sir. >> the choice is first degree, second degree, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter and had a choice of armed criminal action. in this case the officer wilson testified before the grand jury. the real question is how the prosecutor approached that testimony. was there an aggressive cross examination that showed all the obvious flaws in wilson's story or just softball narratives by wilson where nobody seriously attacked those narratives. the bar has to ask questions, what happened in that room. if he was a believable witness without an aggressive cross 78s asking there examination there's no indictment, it's virtually impossible for a prosecutor not to get results he wants in front
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of a grand jury. the bar knows that going into this. that's why this prosecutor should never have been the person doing this. he has months of face to face building relationship with the jurors. they can take leads and signals from his demeanor how he emphasizes or dethem family physician th emphasizes evidence. what is the social and moral ideology. this prosecutor said i'm going to break all the rules, and give no direction, which is crazy, it's insane. if this prosecutor says if there's not an indictment we could open the record and let anyone see it, the truth is, you could do that and no one will tell what this prosecutor did to get the result he wanted in this case and everyone who is an attorney knows that going into
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it. daryl parks should be upset about it. you know what this isn't over. you still have a justice department concern and 1983 civil rights case. this guy should have removed himself from day one. >> all right thank you gentleman. and lady, great to have all of you. stay with us as we await the announcement of the decision of the michael brown shooting case. plus the other big breaking story of the day, defensive secretary chuck hagel was he for forced out? he did step down. it interesting,
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>> i have today submitted my resignation as secretary of defense. it's been the greatest privilege of my life to lead and serve with the men and women of the defense department and support their families. i'm immensely proud of what we've accomplished during this time. >> welcome back to "the ed show." chuck hagel handed in his resignation this morning after less than two years on the job. the only republican has stayed
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to stay on until his replacement is confirmed. >> chuck i also want to thank you on a personal level. we come from different parties but in accepting this position you sent a powerful message, especially to folks in this city. when it comes to our national security and caring for our troops and families we are all americans first. when it has mattered first behind closed doors in toval office you've always given it to me straight. i will for that forever be grateful. >> hagel was actually forced to resign. saying the white house quote lost confidence in the former nebraska senator to carry out his role in the pentagon. saying this. >> joining me tonight on rapid
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response panel, medal of honor recipient and grcongressman fro cal california. is it common knowledge for those who sit on armed forces and intel committees that there was a dissatisfaction of hagel's performance? what's going on here? >> no i don't think there was. just last week we had the secretary and general there before us and there didn't appear to be any discord or any reason to assume there was any internal disagreements. obviously these are very, very tough issues what do in syria and iraq and beyond, tough issues i'm sure there will be disagreement but there was no sign of it just last week. >> colonel was it will any
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conversations in military circles or does this come from nowhere. >> no i don't hi it comes from nowhere. i think you could tell from the beginning that he was not well-matched or well-suited for that job. he had a very difficult time during the confirmation hearings. didn't acquit himself very well. seemed confused. not really on top of the issues. didn't respond very well to questions, even among republicans. from the very beginning it didn't look right. i think he was selected because he was compliant. and the president, the white house thought ha that he would e no trouble getting confirmed. the hearing with standing he was confirmed but i think he was not well-matched for his position and sththen when the war starteo ramp up again it became clear he was out of his element.
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>> incompetent, it sounds like. chuck hagel was a business man. he questioned the surge, he said if we put those guys back in the meat grienlder we better know what we're doing. he knows what the soldiers go through, you think admin straightively he just want up for it. >> it's not enough to be a combat veteran, you had two who were secretary of defense neither were combat veteran and they did very, very well indeed. i don't think he was aggressive enough. and he had a very -- being secretary of defense is a very difficult job. you're in the middle. you got the white house on one side. you got the bureaucracy on of defense department and all these generals and commands below you and you have to run interference also with the congress.
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the congress writes the check. at the end of the day these are extremely difficult times where you have an increasing number of missions, lots and lots of danger. smaller service. more burden on the service and less money to pay for it. i think it is way beyond his cape ablts. >> i don't think is a matter of capabilities at all. this guy was very, very capable, came to the job with a view, with a lightning ot of experien. he also took care of the shoulders in retirement from the senate. he had the capability. the question is, what was his view of how to proceed. was it the same as the congress? no we already knew there were conflicts in the congress with where the secretary thought we ought to good. just listen to the hearings we had last week. there are those who want to
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bomb, bomb, bomb. and chuck hagel wasn't going there, at least not at that tile. not at that time. and we know the secretary wasn't anxious to bring in troops on the ground in iraq and who know what's is going on in syria. perhaps there was a significant disagreement between where he wanted to go -- but he was a very, very capable person. doing a great job. everything from ebola to ukraine and the issues in asia. a lot of issues out there. perhaps there was a fundamental policy disagreement or tactics. one thing clearly in play is sequestration. maybe. we don't know. but we're going to hopefully find out.
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>> at the end of the day, it wasn't congress who fired hagel if was the president. if there were any disagreements it was between hagel and his boss. >> gentleman i want to talk about what unfolded on friday. the republican-controlled house intelligence committee released the results of a two-year investigation into the 2012 attack on a u.s. compound, at tack in benghazi, found no cover ups. republicans are already trying to discredit the findings. what's it going to take for republicans to drop this. congressman, you know, the news media, conservative side have spent well over 18 months going after the president or clinton, now it's we didn't find anything wrong. what do you make of it.
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>> each of these reports came out saying yes it was tragedy and badly handled but they didn't see anybody doing anything wrong or no cover ups. that's never been found. but we know attacks on american embassies are all too common. during the bush years dozens of people wrl seriously injured and a few killed along the way. it is a common thing. keep in mind the administration prior to benghazi thing, asked for more money for security and congress because of budgeting turned down over $250 million that should have gone into security. fortunately, that money after the fact was appropriated and the embassies and consul ates have been better prepared. >> yeah. >> but we will continue to see this. these things will happen and we do the very best we can.
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>> colonel jacobs, has nick changed now that benghazi has been put to rest, has it been put to rest. >> depends on how you're looking athe it. for most people it is put to rest. for those who want to pin something on hillary isn't not but by 2016 most people won't be able to find benghazi on a map, where it is, or what transpired there. although mistakes were made things could have been done better at the end of the day. this is the most important thing, there was no cover ups. cover ups make life difficult for people and there doesn't appear to have been one here. f f >> okay. thank you gentleman for your time. we continue to follow news out of ferguson, missouri, the grand jury has made its decision in the michael brown shooting case. will there be an indictment?
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welcome back to "the ed show." giants rookie odell beckham, jr, takes the cake. have you ever seen a catch like this? unbelievable catch. many are calling it one of the greatest catches ever made in professional football. giants lost 31-28. beckham, though, ten receptions, 146 yards and two touchdowns. he has five tds on the year. at least the 3-8 giants have something to be thankful for on this thanksgiving. they got a great wideout. on saturday, i saw this guy play, college football, everybody's talking about this wisconsin running back, melvin gordon. this kid is the real deal. on saturday i sat behind the badgers bench, at iowa in iowa city. hawkeyes ain't bad.
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this kid runs for 200 yards, couple of touchdowns. wisconsin wins on the road 26-24. the previous week, he ran for 408 yards and four touchdowns as they beat nebraska 59-24. so far he's run for over 2,100 rushing yards. he's got a chance to break barry sanders' record. 25 touchdowns on the year. this kid's got talent galore. if there's a better running back in the country, somebody tell me who he is. gordon a top contender for the heisman trophy. the guy has a second, third, and fourth gear. we're right back on "the ed show." stay with us.
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welcome back to "the ed show." how can all of this stuff be happening in the weather? yet everything's just normal. the melt comes to buffalo. deadly lake-effect snow storms battered western new york last week. now the region is facing a new worry. sharply rising temperatures caused the national weather service to issue flood warnings. scientists are saying climate change is obviously at work. meteorologist paul douglas told us, it's all part of our warming climate. >> and we actually have some pretty good data going back to the 1930s, showing that lake-effect snow is on the increase, and it probably has something to do with the fact that the great lakes are trending warmer.
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>> research from the national oceanic and spheric administration shows 2014 will likely be the warmest ever. october of this year was the hottest october on record. glacier national park may need a new name. the warming climate is melting the park's claim sake. temperatures on the rise wildlife is in dangerous. while evidence pours in, deniers continue to put the planet at risk. senate inhofe denounced climate-saving action, calling the president's goal to combat climate change with china, a non-binding charade. inhofe sees no risk to our environment. >> first of all, global warming is not taking place. it's kind of laughable right now with all of the records that are being set. >> we're reaching a tipping point for our environment.
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the science is clear, and the evidence is in our own back yards. for more on this tonight, let's talk to reese halter, conversation biologist and author of "shepherding the sea." good to have you with us. appreciate your time. >> good evening. >> respond to these ridiculous deniers. what's happening on the great lakes? >> well, essentially, let me paint you a picture. let's go back three weeks. three weeks ago, we saw one of the strongest typhoons, nuri, in the north pacific, we've ever seen. it hit alaska with 50-foot waves. it was so huge and strong, ed, it smoked in to the polar jet stream and three weeks ago, it brought the first blob of polar cold air down well into the midwest and over your way.
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it hit it so hard, there's seven waves that go around the world. the polar jet stream. one week later, the ricochet came back and last week, you all had cold weather. i'm telling you, this climate disruption is very real, and it's not just about weather. it's about food. look. buffalo's going to flood. but worse, around upstate new york, and michigan, around the lake, that's fruit growing regions. those are apples and stone fruit. and these trees are getting battered. this is global food security. and it's laughable that the people in d.c. are sneering and feeding the disinformation machine right now. >> all right, dr. halter, i want to ask you this. a new study showing 40% decline in the polar bear population, what's happening here? >> i'll tell you what's happening.
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polar bears have evolved to eat seals, standing on huge clumps of ice and occasionally going into the water to get seals. the polar bears are now having to go into open oceans. they're not open ocean swimmers. they're drowning. they're mal nourished. and let me tell you how bad it is. my colleagues in 2004 and 2007 tracked polar bear cubs. seven to ten years later, they were tracking 80 cubs. seven to ten years later, there's two cubs still alive. these critters are done. and by the way, since 1970, 50% of earth's wildlife is gone. and we can't exist on this planet without animals. >> we will continue our environmental and climate-change discussions with dr. reese
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halter here "the ed show." thanks so much. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharp tan starts right now. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news out of fertion where the grand jury in the michael brown case has reached a decision. an announcement is expected from prosecutor bob mcculloch at any moment. it's been 108 days since officer darren wilson shot and killed brown, and tonight, we will find out if he'll be charged with a crime. we also will hear from missouri governor jay nixon in about an hour and a half, to a half hour. we'll have that for you live. but what happened inside the grand jury? the secret grand jury? what decision did those 12 people come to? and what is