started. there was a so-called reporter blogger who came on that said i stirred things up before john responded. before you act like there was a disturbance among the folk, they were concerned about him coming in as a blogger castigating me. we went, mike senior and i said let him say what he wants to say. i want y'all when you run the pictures, disruption at the conference, it was one of y'all bloggers that caused the disruption. we went so our people would not overreact. i wanted to give clarity. i have no brb a guy not hearing what i got to say, but why would you want to where i'm the one speaking? it doesn't make sense. who did you think was going to speak at my press conference? that's like all the folks that like me on facebook to cuss me

out. that don't make a lot of sense. >> leslie's immediate reaction which was caught on videotape at the hearing, the devastating news that the killer of her child was not going to be brought to justice was overwhelming to her. she understands that we have a lot of responsibility to protect. that's one of the reasons why she is not speaking today. you don't want to devastate the family and the devastating news of the prosecutor who was supposed to go and represent

people like michael brown and accused michael brown to try to move on the focus and the cause of saying nobody is going to conduct violence and. >> have you ever since talked to -- we opened all this evidence up and gave everyone a chance to take a look. we have been transparent. they made an effort to be above and beyond. >> two quick things on that. as an attorney reminded me, when you put on your case, you don't put on your worst case. you put on your best case.

does anybody think he put on his best case? why change the rules when the child is dead-on the ground. for all 28 years that he was the prosecutor when and he did grand juries, he recommended charges. he didn't dump everything out. this way it was so fair. don't change the rules on us. we want equal justice. due process. yes, ma'am? >> yesterday the grand jury handed out a decision in washington. president obama awarded a presidential medal of freedom to three civil rights activists. their killers were not indicted by the state, but by the federal government. are you hoping for the same thing here and number two, last night as we covered the protest in front of the ferguson police

station. riot troopers and state police were there and advance weaponry was. they were stopped by police as they were at the protest. it was wide open. >> it has been the negative that huh to go to the federal government and could not depend on the states.

whether it was michael brown jr. so we are not in a strange place. we hoped we would be in a different place. it is not strange. i think that it is interesting that on the day that goodman, cheney and swerner were given the medal of freedom was the day that cullo decided in the dark hours to announce his decision on the michael brown case. and eight years ago today, shawn bell was killed by police in new york. all of these things come together, but i think the lawyers have stated the case. i say that many of us for cornell brooks and all of us, this is not our first rodeo. we deal with this in a way civil rights leaders have.

her husband said let's burn this down. >> completely inappropriate. god forbid your child is killed the way they killed. just devastating announcement in the manner it was announced that someone put a camera in your face. don't condemn them for being human. michael brown sr. stated very clearly for his family that they want people to behave in a responsible, peaceful manner. we are not going to dwell on this because we want to focus on the issue of getting this system corrected so we don't have people feeling so frustrated that they have to march throughout the night.

they said there is another way other than to explode and other than to i have an outrage like that. many of us condemn, but we are the vehicle to try to address these things. yet we are considered incendiary when we are trying to show the constructively way to get justice. after you burn stuff down, then what? that's not going to get us justice. if you burn down believes, you achieved what? you don't get justice for michael brown. that's why we are here this morning to show a better way. we just need the system to meet us halfway and do what you said you would do. >> we condemn the violence and the looting for them.

that's right. >> reverend al sharpton with attorneys for michael brown's family giving their first remarks since the announcement in ferguson. 10:00 on the west coast. we heard from the other side. the first news conference since last night's violent protests erupted and since the st. louis county prosecutor said there would be no changes and no trial for the police officer who killed that family's son. >> we object we object as we can on behalf of michael brown jr.'s family. the process should be indicted.

>> today's news conference happened near the police station were just last night. the scene look like this. reactions pouring in and the decision not to charge darren wilson with local businesses set on fire, looted. let's go to local community leaders who have been living out the reaction in realtime. you haven't seen the press conference, but i want to get your reaction to something that there just wasn't enough of a presence and they didn't do enough to check the violence. i top the get your reaction. we have seen in past protests, a lot of objection to how heavy handed they have been. it was or was it not a good thing that there was a lighter touch this time? >> it's interesting that you say lighter touch. i am only a couple of hours from taking tear gas off of my clothes and face and out of my

eyes. we didn't feel like a lighter touch when i was in front of police department and getting tear gassed and when i was in my car picking up peaceful protesters who were getting tear gassed in a place that was agreed that would not be attacked. we might have seen less presence on a certain strip and most certainly the destruction that i witnessed a couple of minutes ago was far worse than i saw previously. i sincerely think that while we do have to address the supportive businesses in this community, we have to address the systemic underlying issues that brought people to this point. we can't point fingers at people who are burning things and not the at system that continues to disenfrance chiz them. >> what are we heard is that there were fewer signs of that police presence and hearing accounts similar to brittany's,

that it felt as heavy as can be. which is it? we heard that crowd at the press conference cheer to reverend al's agreement that the authorities and the words that was questioner let ferguson burn. was it not enough or too much police response? >> i definitely have to agree with what brittany said. you have part of ferguson which is the primarily caucasian area which is where many of your upper class businesses are located along with the new police department and fire station. it was protected as it was a box of gold. on another strip of ferguson which is where the african-american community lived and blocks from where michael brown was killed, it was a free-for-all. no type of protection and no type of guard up to protect the business owners and the protesters that may have moveed from one area to the next. the governor said he would bring in the national guard, but to be

frank with you, i was over there and i saw no national guard. they were in clayton and the white neighborhood protested those businesses where no one was. where was the protection last night is my question? >> not as simple as too light or too heavy, but more just not executed well. that's take on things. i want you to stay there and i will get more of your take. he saw how prosecutor's words were received. they didn't want to insight more of a reaction. that has been the call all the way through saying we want a peaceful response to this.

how did itsome so fast. >> i don't think we know the answer to that. >> try to figure out who did what. was it a criminal element and outside agitators. was it ordinary people and it may have been some or all of that. the national guard would protect the command post as they did last time. the plan was never according to the police for them to be in the community because the emphasis was to let police be in the community. so the police could be with the people. that may be why the national

guardsmen were in the streets. there was damage on the other side of the town. i rode down the street and i saw one place with kathy's kitchen which was a popular restaurant and there was a rock through one of the windows out front. a black-owned business. there were black businesses that were victimized by this. on this street which is arguably the heart of the town, the heart of at least one of the areas where a lot of black consumers go and own businesses there. there was damage here, but i'm not sure how i think it will be night here soon. that decision to announce all the grand jury's decision at 8:00 or 9:00 at night was

criticized. was that a good idea? i guess that can be seen in many ways. we are not sure why they did it that way. >> i would love to drill down on that. it has been so contentious to announce at night. what did you hear from the community to that choice? they said it would be more prone to violent reaction? >> people just don't understand why that would happen. in the normal course of something, why would you wait until 8:00 or 9:00 at night. it wasn't like the grand jury was debating and ruffling and fighting and arguing over this decision until 8:00 at night and then they finally came to a decision. they heard from the last witness earlier in the day and their work was done. why there was the lag, we don't know. he and the press conference last night, i don't think he gave an answer to that. we were focused on what he was

saying and why that question didn't come um. what happened here. it's a question of the police chiefs who did a press conference who said they didn't think the time of day mattered. common sense suggests it would. if you did something in the middle of the afternoon, you have light. a lot of school officials and others asked for a decision to come on a weekend and not on a weekday when they think kids would be safely at home and families and parents would be home from work and there would be less going on in the streets than at 8:00 or 9:00 at night. >> a lot of questions about why they would handle it this way. you have been reacting to that.

one thing he said that is getting a lot of coverage saying michael brown looked like a demon. he said holding him was akin to a 5-year-old and holding on to hulk hogan. are you hearing any acceptance about this idea that the officer may have genuinely feared for his and been motivated by that? >> what i think that quote and so much of this case really points to is the continual disrespect of children of color. in that we criminalize them when they are the victim so often and disproportionately in these types of incidents. we continued to see the that we

continue to hear him being referred to as a thug and a demon as darren wilson put it. i work with thousands of children across this region and i am here to tell you that none of them are demons. they are bold and brilliant and beautiful and they deserve our respect. to continue to discuss them like that and he was an 18-year-old with his whole life ahead of him, the community is very frustrated with that. they are frustrated with the fact that we told him to trust in the system that is continuously beat up on them and puts their children in substandard schools and we told them to trust that system and that system failed them. that frustration is far and wide. a friend of mine said this was another brick of the wall. i would have to agree and say we have a lot of work to do to make sure we come up with systemic solutions. >> it's important you mentioned

that commission appointed by the governor to look at the problems and that powerful response suggests there will be a targeted focus in that. i want to wrap that up. what are you telling protesters are urging them to stay away from further protest and trying to organize more peaceful protests. what is the next step here? >> protest leaders have been consistently peaceful. they have been persistent from the heat and the cold and having to face that heavy equipment and tear gas and they have been resilient to that. that sends a message that they are well aware of what the playbook of oppression is. it appear they have their own playbook that leadership here in

the and i believe the protest will remain peaceful and remain consistent. a lot of people are watching ferguson and thinking this is just going to go away. often times that happens in race relations here after a few weeks of just getting swept under the rug. this is going to be a conversation that is going to continue to loom. if we separate ourselves from those that are out selfishly trying to tear apart things and create chaos, i believe the movement will continue to grow. if we continue to push out of our city and continue to make the message clear and continue to control the narrative that it's not about burning things, it's about the legacy of michael brown and listening to what the family said and that is act in a dignified way no matter what

happens. >> our thoughts are with all of you and trying to help it heal. thank you to all of you. appreciate that. >> more as this sad story unfolds. the prosecutor under fire all morning. we dive into his record and controversial announcement last night with the attorney this is an interesting perspective who ran against him for county prosecutor. after this break. and also we want to get your take on this. do you think it was the right idea or the wrong idea for him to time that press conference in the way we discussed at night, at 8:00 p.m. tweet us your hash tag. tell us whether you think it should have happened so late. there demonstrations happening across the country. ferguson not by any means the only city where this is exploding. take a look at these police confrontations in los angeles last night.

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>> we do expect to get justice here. the system doesn't provide justice for anyone in our opinion, especially not black males. this is just more of the same. this is basically par for the course. >> more reaction to last night's grand jury decision in ferguson. welcome back. just coming in over the wires, a new statement from jay nixon. the violence we saw is unacceptable, he said. that's why i'm meeting with leaders from the guard and law enforcement to ensure the lives and property. from the moment this decision fell into the hands of a grand jury, it was contentious. the man at the heart of that firestorm was bob mccullough. he stayed on the case despite calls for tim ho step down. the bar association even called on him to recuse himself.

some changing he had a track record of siding with police. they dogged him for decades. someone who knows his history well, she ran against him for st. louis prosecutor and lot of in the primary earlier this year. a st. louis criminal defense attorney and professor at the community college in ferguson. and an outside take from lisa bloom. lisa, stay with us. i want to get your reaction in a moment. i want to hear from leslie on this given your personal experience going up against cullo. there is a storm of criticism. hasn't he stayed true to the letter of the law. >> did you stay true to the letter of the law? >> is that your take or not? >> that's an interesting question. we have to know and understand that we don't know what went on behind the closed doors. he is the only one who can

present evidence to the grand jurors. he controls the narrative. it's not necessarily what you say, but how you say it. he carries with the favor with the grand jury. there have been reports as they have a history of siding with police and the personal roots for that. his dad was a police officer sadly killed in the line of duty. after losing a leg to cancer, i couldn't become a policeman so the prosecutor is the next best thing. is that allegiance grounds for recusal? should they be allowed to have a loyalty even to police? >> i think there is a fine line that you have to walk. i think obviously his background does give him a unique set of core values that he believes in. also what you have to know is

that by nature of the prosecution relationship that the prosecutors and police officers work hand in hand. i think there is a special nature there. in fact the prosecutor is continued to be the top cop and whatever county they happen to be the prosecutor for. i get the blue coat and i get that traditional sticking together for brotherhood. i also get when there is something that is wrong, whether it's a brother or a stranger that committed something that is wrong, they should be held accountable for that. i don't know that that line is looked at as closely as it should be with the current prosecutor. >> look at the numbers in the history. 33 known prosecutions brought against police. this information we should note is from his office, but we believe it to be reliable. 20 convictions and pending cases. now when you see those numbers, we have all seen reaction saying he will never be tough on police.

do those change your take on it at all? >> i think it changes the take from the perspective of he will never be tough on police in certain crimes. in certain situations. >> what makes this different? >> i think that it's similar to the jack in the box murder that happened about 14 years ago. it's typically caucasian police officers, african-american suspect and or victims where the evidence shows to some extend that perhaps if nothing else at least excessive force was used. >> as we part ways, should he have recused himself? >> i never want to question. he is an elected official. the people elected him and he has been for the last 24 years. there is confidence in the ability to do the job he has done. this situation was different because of the national attention. because of the environment that the government had as well as the environment that the

department of justice had. there should have been a serious consideration and perhaps stepping aside in this incidence. he didn't do that and we have what we have. >> thank you so much. fascinating to get your take. >> your reaction. was using a grand jury appropriate here? was it typical even to send this kind of a case to a grand jury? >> about half of the cases in that jurisdiction go to a grand jury, but not this kind of a grand jury. a grand jury where all of the evidence is put out there and the prosecutors did not recommend any particular charges. i have spent most of the night reading the grand jury transcript that has been released, especially darren wilson's testimony. i suspected he was not cross examine and allowed to talk and tell a story and that's exactly what happened. there so many parts of that transcript that jumped out at me

as a trial lawyer. i would want to cross examine him about if i were the prosecutor. he said he didn't like the community. it was not a well-liked community. a community he said that is filled with gangs and violence and drug activities and not well-liked. mike brown is not in a gang. he was not doing drugs except perhaps marijuana. did you not like mike brown? that's just the beginning of these what they could have done and didn't do. >> take a look at what vox is calling the most tone deaf moment in the prosecutor's speech. >> these grand jurors poured their hearts and souls into this process. their term was scheduled to end in early september. they gave up their lives. they put their lives on hold and families on hold and put everything on hold so that they could come in and do their civic duty. >> your reaction to his tone? >> this is not about the grand jurors.

this is about bob mccullough failing to be a prosecutor. it depends on two sides going at it and advocating. there was no advocate for mike brown. there was nobody cross examining darren wilson and the tiny bit of redness didn't correspond with the two full on punches that he said mike brown administered to him. there were so many gaps in this presentation of evidence, the grand jury didn't have enough to get to probable cause because the prosecution didn't give it to them. >> always fascinating to get your analysis. now our daily spike. social media has been so much inflamed by this turn of events. take a look at this. the hash tag ferguson has been used three million times since yesterday. this shows a heat map with the word exploding on twitter since right before the start of that news conference. you can see the spike. that's the moment when the decision was announced.

also trending last night, pray for ferguson and ferguson decision. prosecutor robert mccullough spent part of the conference talking about media and social media for their in cultivating unrest to which social media replied. remember that time social media shot an unarmed teenager and left his body on the street for four hours. it wouldn't be twitter if there wasn't space for extreme polarization. they split over this. james white tweeting out that everyone should protest. duty dude, we want justice. we don't want to protest. on the other side of that polarized debate, saying i stood with darren wilson from the beginning and still do. then this. celebrities couldn't resist weighing in on this. azalea banks had a colorful

reaction off in a string of tweets some of which we cannot show. saying it's couraging as a young black person knowing that people like me can be murder and have there be no justice or consideration for your life. check out the colorful chain of tweets from her. we don't endorse all of them, but they are interesting. the document dump that everyone is reacting to in realtime. 24 volumes of materials released in a highly unusual move. what we know now that we didn't know before. that's just ready. ahead. the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season...

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>> per protesters after the grand jury decision not to indict darren wilson. president obama addressed the nation striking a hopeful tone while the situation on the ground was anything but. >> it means working to train officials so that law enforcement conducts itself in a way that is fair to everybody. it means enlisting the community actively on what should be everybody's goal. that is to prevent crime. >> congress is reacting to the moves. democrats from clair mccaskill to elijah cummings pointing to the department of justice's still pending investigation. reacting to the forced resignationful chuck hagel. a lot for the white house to deal with right now. joining us to talk about both of these stories. democratic senator bill nelson of florida.

the arm armed services committee. thank you very much for being here, sir. i want to talk about this story in ferguson. as a long time democrat how has jay nixon handled it. was there a failure of leadership? >> can't speak to that. i can speak to the policy and i would first of all agree with the president in calling for calm. i would also agree with the president that we need to look beyond the immediate. what are the conditions in this country that is causing so much strife? if you look at our history, we have had a very stable country, we always had a large and a pyring middle class. when we start dividing and

america becomes two americas, with the very well off and very unwell off, then we are going continue to have clashes. you have seen that in the tax policy. you have seen that play out in the immigration issue. that's what concerns me in the future of our country and the direction. >> the last time we saw this national unrest in response to a court decision was coming out of your home state, the trayvon martin decision. i want to while you have you here get your search for the new defense chief since you and your capacity will be involved in a lot of those conversations. president obama now looking for his father defense secretary in years. that's the count we are at now and the rift between hagel and obama's inner circle, it may have surfaced in october after he didn't susan rice a two-page

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depardonure, but when you say four secretaries of defense, they were good ones. bob gates and leon panetta and then now chuck hagel. although there is friction betweening ale and the white house inner staff, this should not diminish the very good service of chuck hagel. that's why i'm saddened. >> senator bill nelson. fascinating to get your take. i wish we had more time on this breaking news with all of this happening in ferguson. i hope we can continue this soon. >> certainly. >> and stay with us because we have got much more up ahead. your responses to our hash tag battle of the day on the timing of the prosecutor press conference. did you think it was the right or the wrong idea to hold that press conference at night? we'll be right back with that. when it comes to medicare, everyone talks

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document dump and the testimony darren wilson gave to the grand jury. let's talk to mark claxton, former nypd officer. thank you for coming back on the program, sir. one thing that really struck me, prosecutors asked wilson about alternatives he could have taken instead of using his gun. they asked if he was carrying a taser. wilson said, quote, i normally don't carry a taser. we only have a select amount. usually there is one available. but i usually elect not to carry one. it is not the most comfortable thing. so specifically on tasers, does that excuse ring true? are they too big to be practical? >> it depends on the department. some departments only allow supervisors to use tasers. other departments everyone has tasers. really, that's a decision made by the department.

you know, whatever department is involved in this. it's quite possible that that is his experience, et cetera. i want to touch on something quickly, something that came out of the document drop and the conversation since then, police officers fearing for their life as jufctionz for deadly physical force. i think everyone should be clear about something. it's not simply fearing for your life that justifies the use of deadly physical force. it's reasonably fearing for your life. if you, for example, see a demon in the eyes of a civilian or hulk hogan-like strength in the eyes of a civilian, that calls into question whether that's reasonable or not. >> that is a fascinating take from a police officer who has been in some of these dangerous situations. that is the core of this matter. you had an interesting take also on tasers and the variety of limitations on their use. on that front, i want to talk about some of the other alternatives he had his disposal because this was also in the

line of questioning. they talked about his baton, when he said he would have reach under his person to get. they asked about mace and he said he didn't use. quote, i wear contacts. if that touches any part of my eyes, then i can't see at all. is that a fair excuse? >> well, part of what -- what you're citing from the transcript itself, which i read major parts of the transcript, indicates quite clearly a situation where if you aren't challenged on those points by, in this particular case, what should have been the prosecutor's office challenging those points, of course it's a possibility that those are realities. that's why it's necessary for the prosecutor's office to challenge that witness. what occurred in this grand jury proceeding just based on the transcripts i read, it wasn't a grand jury presentation. it seemed more like a defense direct testimony. seemed like the defense was directly questioning their witness as opposed to a grand jury inquisition, which is what it should have been.

that would have rectified and clarified a lot of the questions you have and so many people across the nation have. >> obviously, that's a troubling take to hear from a police officer who knows the sensitivities of this issue. we all here have so many respect for all of the officers who put their lives on the line to defend us. but some serious questions all around the country arising. thank you, former nypd officer, mark claxton. always appreciate getting your take. we to want update you on our hash tag debate. we asked if you thought it was the right or wrong idea for prosecutor mccullough to hold that news conference at 8 p.m. it's been fascinating. >> it allowed parents and kids to be together to discuss this tragedy. spicy b. said rfdwrong, on the other hand. they had the verdict a few days ago. that's why he wanted backup. this is so many times wrong. that debate is still ranging. we'll keep tracking your responses. that wraps up today's "r.f.

daily." my colleague joy reid is up next. she'll continue our coverage as every beat of this story develops.

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this process is broken. the process should be indicted. he should be indicted because of the continuous systematic results that is yielded by this process. >> that was ben kucrump, wuvent attorneys for michael brown's family in st. louis, reacting to the grand jury's decision not to indict officer darren wilson in the shooting of michael brown. i'm joy reid. we're following breaking results out of ferguson. this is the scene there now where you can still see smoke billowing from the charred remains of a public storage unit. near the