series of meetings at the white house to discuss the situation in ferguson, missouri. the president will meet first with his cabinet and then later with civil rights leaders. religious leaders, and law enforcement officials. also today the st. louis police officers association is demanding that the nfl take disciplinary action against five players from the hometown st. louis rams. they took the field yesterday with a hands up don't shoot pose. that's what many still believe michael brown did before he was shot and killed, but officer darren wilson told the grand jury that brown was the aggressor and did not try to surrender. the players say they wanted to show compassion and solidarity for the protesters in ferguson. the st. louis police officer's association issued a statement. all of the comes after darren wilson resigned saturday from the ferguson police department he served on for three years. joining me now this morning is

nbc news chris jansing. we thank you for being with us. chris, let's start with you. tell us about the meetings president obama is holding today in ferguson. big focus today on the situation. something the president talked about after a grand jury refused to return an indictment. so he begins with this new meeting with certain members of his cabinet who have been focussed since august on a review of the program that provides surplus essentially military equipment. and we saw in august in the riots that followed the aftermath of the michael brown shooting they came out with assault style transportation, riot gear, and people felt that contributed to the overall negative atmosphere mr. there. they want to look whether or not the programs work and where there is equipment provided, is

there proper training to the police department about when and how to use them. at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, he's going to be meeting with some young civil rights leading including some from ferguson who are going to talk about exactly what it means to be young and black in america and what they think the problems are. that will sort of go into a larger meeting that will include community leaders, religious leaders and members of the law enforcement community. there has been a big push in the justice department including with eric holder to look at ways that community policing can be expanded. in other words, ways in which members of the community can work hand and hand with members of local police to figure out ways to deescalade some of the intense situations and in fact, francis, eric holder will be in an atlantic church to kick off the building community trust tour. this is the beginning of what is going to be an ongoing effort on the part of the administration. >> certainly a full day for them. >> i want to ask you about the special ferguson commission created by missouri governor jay

nixon. in a couple of hour it is will hold the first meeting since the grand jury's decision not to indict officer wilson. to put it in perspective the committee has 16 members. tell us what the commission hopes to going forward. >> i think they hope to accomplish people believing more in the system and believing more in the ferguson police department. i think a lot of people in that community are feeling divided other this. i think that commissioners is going try to look at the systemic issues that were there before michael brown was killed. looking at the idea of schools, looking a the idea of economics, how you got police force that was 50 white officers and 3 black officers. i think they're trying to look at all the issues that came to the surface when michael brown was killed and looking how they can make recommendations solid, concrete recommendations to change that. not only ferguson but the community. the governor said it's called

the ferguson commission but they're supposed to be looking at the st. louis area and seeing what they can do to change the racial divide and the equipment divide there. >> what other action can happen as far as finding justice. darren wilson resigned on saturday but protesters are saying it's not enough. what would they like to see? federal civil rights charges or a civil lawsuit by michael brown's family. everybody said there needs to be changing in the police department. resignation for the police chief, the county prosecutor. what are they looking for? >> i think protesters are looking for some sense of justice and not done with the case of darren wilson and michael brown. they're looking to the federal government now now that he's not been indicted. they're looking a the federal government to say what has he done that has violated civil rights. you talk to the protesters, they believe that michael brown was targeted. he was killed in some ways because he was an african-american man. he was walking around in his neighborhood, they say, he was stopped even if there was some

issue in terms whether or not he robbed a store. people are wondering why was he stopped in the first place. what did the initial stop mean for black men? i think a lot of people are looking and hoping that the officer is still going to be able to have see some kind of justice and see some kind of criminal maybe even possible criminal charges. they're looking to the -- the protesters want him to be behind bars. even more than that they're looking for officer ace cross the country to be looked at and scrutinized and how many arrests and how they stop black people, especially young black men. >> all right. thank you for your perspective this morning. now to another developing story we're following. ray rice's reinstatement in the national football league. there are reports of at least four teams who are expressing interest in pursuing him

following the judge's ruling in favor of rice's appear. so far none of the teams have commented publicly. as rice awaits his fate in the league. we're hearing from his wife, for the first time, jay janay. she opened up about what happened in the elevator in february and the toll the fallout has taken on her family and why she apologized during a news conference in may. >> i apologized for the part i took in this, and i apologized for one, the press conference that -- >> do you want to be a part of that press conference? >> i was ready to do anything that was going help the situation. >> help the situation? help ray and his career? >> help the way we looked in the media, help his image, help, obviously, his career. so, you know, they told us earlier that week we would do the press conference was. i was fine with it. >> did anyone say, janay, it would be good if you issue some

kind of an apology. >> they suggested it, yes. >> did they come up with the wording? >> no. not specifically. they basically gave us a general script. >> i regret deeply the role i played in the incident that night. >> that really started it. >> and that was frustrating for me because, obviously, people took it as, you know, i'm taking light over what ray did. >> or giving him an excuse. >> no. >> denial. >> not at all. i was basically not doing what i was told but at the same time i didn't think it was completely wrong for me to apologize because at the end of the day i got arrested too. i did something wrong too. i agree with everybody it was wrong what ray did. >> the ravens tweeted out that portion of that statement your apology and they quickly took it down. because i think they understood very fast the reaction to the apology. >> right. >> do you think the reaction was warranted from people around the country? >> i completely -- yes.

i understood it. which was frustrating. it was awkward, to be honest. >> had it not been the ravens urging you or suggesting you apologize, you would have never been at the press conference and you would have never apologized. you know what was being said. >> i heard everything. she's a bomb in denial. >> i heard they needed to come in here, knock the door down, and drag her out because she was, like, chained in the house somewhere. or that she grew up in this type of environment. so many things. >> i think a lot of people reacted to the fact that ray apologized to the ravens and he didn't say but most of all, i apologize to my wife. i mean, in our mind it was obvious he apologized to me more than once. countless amount of times. i'm sitting there next to him. so i wouldn't be sitting there next to him if i wasn't the first person to get an apology.

there's no way. >> the whole thing was uncomfort. >> awkward, yeah. we were doing what we had to do to get it over with and done with. >> how much of the efforts were geared at protecting ray and his career and the baltimore ravens versus putting the pieces of your relationship back together? >> honestly, our biggest thing was the legal process that went along with it. e were terrified. we didn't know what to expect. and that was really the hardest part in the beginning. >> let me read you things people started to say. either that moment or weeks that followed. robin gibbons was in an abusive marriage. after one particular incident of abuse she said this, she wrote, i said don't call me. i never want to see you again. then you start taking his calls. then he asked to see you in person then you say yes. you have the big giant man crying like a baby on your lap

and the next thing you know you're consoling him. you're the protector. one minute you're running from him. the next you're protecting him. does any of that resonate with you? that you became ray's protector by standing up and saying the things you did? >> if anything i was his protector before this. protecting him from people with motives. protecting him from people who just wanted to take advantage of him. that was nothing new. >> i totally understand how people look at that and think that is who she is. but i know her and we know and she's not. what it has done is made us aware about the people that are actually living this every day and, you know, i feel bad for their parents, their mothers that they can't get their kids out of this or just challenged with this on a daily basis.

i understand that. >> there's so many -- i feel like god choice me and ray for a reason. it was to bring awareness of what people are going through every day. even though it's not what i'm going through every day it's definitely brought, you know, this topic to the forefront. >> it's complicated because it starts a national discussion. >> right. >> right. and that's a good thing. and at the same time you don't feel like you're a part of that group. >> yes. >> sometime i read things that make it sound like you're either with us or against us. >> right. we're not against them. i'm just saying this is not the type of relationship she's in and, no, this is not the first thing that is going to habit next time. no. there is no next time. we've knead clear.

>> the first time we met, you and me, i can't say it with the same edge you had in your voice. when i asked you about your daughter you said to me, i did not raise a young lady to be an abused woman. >> not at all. if anybody knows her, she's not only that she's very confident and she's very forceful herself. >> i wouldn't allow anybody to disrespect me. especially a man i'm in a relationship with me >> you have a 2-year-old daughter. at some point, you're going have to sit raven down and tell her this story. it. >> yes. >> i don't think i'll ever be prepared until that moment. we're going to be honest with her. you know, we're going tell her what happened. let her know things like this are not okay. it's not something that she should tolerate. let her know people make mistakes and how you learn from

them. >> janay rice opened up about the ordeal with espn. i slapped him again and then he hit me. i i remember nothing else from inside the elevator. terri o'neal joining me now the president of national organization of women. thank you so much for being with me here. and putting perspective in the story. let's start off here. a lot to cover. you were the first to interview janay on november 5th. the interview was the three hour interview. and in that time, did you get the sense she was eager to get a lot off her chest and perhaps set the record straight on how much the nfl knew prior to the release of the full video? >> well, i think she was eager to get a lot off her chest. we realized the incident

happened in february and pretty much since then especially once the presence of video came out she was dissected, diagnosed, talked about in the news, her life, her husband's life. her family's life. people made a lot of assumption about who she was. what her agenda might be. the type of woman she was. a lot of that frustration, i think, you saw it boiled over initially in the instagram post she had. given the length of our interview it was her opportunity. it was a chance to fully flesh out and tell what she believed to be her story. >> i want to play this part of your interview with janay, quote, the day after everything happened we met with ray's managers and lawyers. they warned us it would come out and told us it was something they couldn't control but they would try. she goes on to say this ray told the commissioner and his colleagues everything that happened and there was no reason to lie because we knew there was a video and we assumed that the nfl knew what was in it even

though we didn't know whether or not they saw it. her account here seems to suggest that the league knew all along what happened in the elevator. >> her account is they would not -- as i said in the piece, it didn't make any sense for them not to tell the truth the whole way through. they knew the presence of the video was out there. whether or not roger goodell saw it, i think that's the $64,000 question that everybody is trying to figure out. how much did he actually know. but by the time they were asked about the distribute by the police, by the ravens, by the nfl, they had had told the same story throughout the process. i think part of the reason why the judge decided to reinstate ray rice is the only thing that changed from the nfl standpoint is video. i don't know if roger goodell thought she fainted in the elevator. i don't know what he thought.

even for the raven's owner to say it was mischaracterized. but in terms of what janay said. she said this is the same story they have literally told for months. when you know a video is out there, what good does it do you to lie? >> i want to turn to you terri. now releasing a statement shortly after rice was reinstated the same day that janay's firsthand account was published here. the statement goes on to say. >> that's the question. i think she should be allowed to play again.

i thought before the interview. fact of the matter is, the nfl is a talent based production based business. if you look at the history of the league and the players, that's have been allowed second chances, i mean, some players have done some pretty serious things and they've been allowed to play again. and you look at michael vick, he served time in prison even right now josh brent is on the dallas cowboys roster. he killed one of his teammates in a tragic dui incident. he played again after hitting a man and killing him. by this account, why wouldn't ray rice if he's gone through the legal process. why shouldn't he be allowed to play. >> and when comes to fans people have short attention span. >> i think that one of the most important things that we're concerned about is the safety. the personal security and the economic security of the victim. you know, when i think about ray rice going back out on the field, i think people probably

feel a little bit bad. there's a knot in the pit of your stomach seeing michael vick play or ray rice. if he's not on the field, is janay rice? yanking economic security from an abuser is a significant risk factor for increased domestic violence. what the league should be doing is ensuring the economic security of victims of domestic violence. what the league has been doing is ensuring the image of the nfl and what that has done is now the image of the nfl is worst than it would have been if the league were dealing honestly and substantiatively with the problem of domestic violence. because the ravens pressure janay rice to issue an apology and the purpose of the pressure was to polish the image of the team and polish the issue of steve and roger goodell is only interested -- he has a zero tolerance for anything that hurts his image. he doesn't have a zero tolerance

for actual domestic violence. that needs to change. thank you so much. developing now the supreme court a debate is underway if threats made online are free speech or actually threats. and it will determine if you can be punished for your online rants. insulting the first daughters today. a gop aid is resigning after criticizing sasha and malia's clothes. cyber monday is underway. companies hoping to break records after a flat black friday. we've live in california at amazon's warehouse. alright, so l arthritis lasts 8 hours,

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the fbi and dhs are out with a new warning for americans about isis. the latest joint bulletin advises people with militarily connection to be careful about what they say online. the quote might attract the attention of violent extremists. the latest intel indicates isis has not stopp estopped. the case was brought by a man who was sentenced to nearly four years in prison for posting explicit rap lyrics about

killing his wife. he claiming the violent posts, were, quote therapeutic and never intended to act on. the wife testified that the comments made her fearful for her life. ari, great having your perspective on something like this. especially when you talk about a case like this. big implications in areas uncharted territory when it comes to the internet. break it down about who is arguing here and what the current law is. >> basically the argument is what institutes what they call in the law a true threat. not just something that is thrown out there. not just something that might be arti artistic. one individual saying to another something that institutes a real intention to harm them. and the question here being when done on facebook does it rise to that level. >> let's give you some background here for our viewers on this case. anthony is the man at the center of the suit. he made repeated posts soft

called rap lyrics. here is an example. you hit it on the head. he said this is entertainment. which he did. he lost and was sent to jail on the idea that his ex-wife said this was not entertainment nor was it just art or just something floating out there but to her it was a specific threat what we were calling the true threat that made her afraid. and the debate here, which different courts have come down different ways. whether it's the start, the recipient of the threat and how afraid they are. or what the defendant meant. did they have the intent and the reason why it's important is that's where the whole social media part makes this more

complicated. if someone comes to your door or is following you, which could be a separate crime of stalking that will more to their intent. they're saying they're coming into your space. they're following you. and if they're not, if everything is constrained to just nations online, that goes to the fact that some would say they don't have that. >> a lot of people feel protected behind a computer screen. when it comes to mean tweets, you know, mean posts. where does the distinction between threat and harassment and so many cases of cyber bu y bullying that you feel the threat i'm afraid for my life? that's what the court is arguing. deciding basically should this come down to whether the person receiving the threats is afraid or whether the person issuing the threat really meant to do it. typically in criminal law, particularly in areas of speech we use the higher standard of what the individual meant. you look game rooms.

in many of those cases you look at it and say i completely understand why they're afraid. look at these terrible messages of specific threat attack or rape hideous stuff. and yet i can show you cases where someone got a generalized comment saying, you know, god i'm lucky we have second amendment rights because people like you, you know, need to be pushed back. something broad and general under the current law wouldn't be considered. and an individual might say it made me afraid. you might say i understand you feel that way but that's not enough to put the person in jail for something they said about the second amendment or something political or constitutional. and the last thing i'll mention, there's a case on the books in the naacp where a civil rights organizer was speaking to a crowd and said we're going to boycott racist businesses and said if we catch you going to one of the businesses we'll break your neck. okay. was that a threat? the court said no. because it was in a political

context a larger context. it wasn't a specific individual true threat. these are tough cases when you look at the women being really abused and terrorized here. >> and the sad part, you know, for some cases is it too late until harm is done when something like this? yeah you can see across the board how it's fascinating. a tough one. thank you so much for bringing your perspective here. you can watch the hosts of the cycle today and every weekday at 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. new today a gop aid is resigning after her harsh criticism about the first daughters calling them bad role models. we'll have a live report from the white house next. hollywood under attack. unreleased movie starring brad pitt, cameron diaz, and others were stolen and posted online. why the fbi thinks north korea might be behind the move. plus this. today world aids day. my secret is --

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happens. what is the republican rank and file saying especially be it comes to countering the president's executive action on immigration. >> the big question here. of course, the republican leaders like house speaker john boehner and his rank and file and his other top house republicans leaders. they don't want a government shut down and they want to respond to the president's immigration action in other ways. as we saw in the september, october of 2013, sometimes the rank and file the grassroots tea party conservatives can take the republican leaders in directions they don't want to go. of course, we end up seeing a government shut down back then. this is a task to keep the government open and keep it running after december 11th and the question is can they do it. some republicans want to be able to focus on short term, the short term keeping the lights on. others want to say let's do it for an entire year. and just the question is the rank and file go along with it.

>> keeping the lights on one hand and looking a the next thing on their to do list renewing expired tax breaks for individuals here. the white house threatened to veto a bipartisan package by harry reid. >> the white house simply believes that all the tax breaks are geared to upper income americans not to the middle class. and this seems to be a little bit of recalibration by democrats on they need to be targeting middle class voters people who aren't as well off with the thinking that the white house wants to draw the line in the sand there needs to be more help for middle class families and of course, the white house veto has to force congress back to the drawing board on these tax cuts extensions. >> right. nbc news senior political editor mark murray. thank you. up next why the university of virginia president suddenly cancelled a luncheon in with reporters. it's one of the stories we're following around the "newsnation." plus, today get the credit cards out. it's the super bowl of online shopping.

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he put it is in the bins. they get eventually conveyed on to boxes and shipped right out to your door. amazon said using these robots which are in place for the first holiday shopping season for the company will help them process orders more quickly cutting down the average time from the picking up of the items to the shipping it from 90 minutes to 13 minutes. it's increasing storage capacity here, too. it's amazing to watch, francis. you can see the boxes just moving on the pads laid out. we have to stay back a little bit. these thicks are moving fairly quickly for a robot. 5 feet-per-second. >> that's amazing. i can watch it all day. there's the worries. they're replacing live human workers and is there a fear i'm on the line. is my job going to be taken by a robot here? >> yeah. and fair question. oftentimes that comes up when you talk about automation. amazon said that employees like

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when the trailer for the comedy the interview came out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes.

north korea called the movie an act of war. now sonny pictures has been hacked and studio code which partners with nbc reports. >> they are actively investigating the possibility that north korea may have been behind it. >> the take reportedly crippled the computer network. >> they've told employees that they may not have their internal systems working for as much as three weeks. >> hackers also may not have the internal systems working forasmuch as three weeks. >> hangered leaked five sony movies online, four of which have not been released. sony issued a statement saying the content is a criminal matter and we are working to address it. the fbi has now joined the investigation. meanwhile seth roggin who starred and coproduced the film defends on twitter saying i personally don't care if it's disrespect to kim because he's

evil. adding another tweet, that doesn't mean i think he should be killed. nbc news, los angeles. >> there is a lot more going on this morning. here are some things we thought you should know on this world aids day. prince harry revealed a secret for the feel no shame campaign. >> on world aids day, my secret is, believe it or not, i get incredibly nervous before public speaking no matter how big the audience. despite the fact that i laugh and joke, i get incredibly nervous if not anxious before going in front of other people. i will probably get even more worried now that people are looking at me. >> you never know. he does a great job hiding it. richard louie will be hosting a twitter chat. one of the oldest organizations

to discuss the virus and the future. you can join by tweeting your questions. >> hillary clinton's prominent with husband husband in the white house caused friction with the president's staff. they showed the former first lady occasionally erupted in anger. it was compiled by the university of interviews when top clinton od min station officials. those are the things we thought you should know. time now for the "news nation" gut check. we told you about the gestures from a st. louis rams player out on the field after yesterday's game, the hands up don't shoot pose. it has drawn a strong condemn nation from the police officer to who res leased a statement, tasteless, offensive and inflammatory and called to discipline the players involved.

the statement reading i don't mind the nfl and the player, but it's not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertisers products. it's cops and the good people of st. louis that do. somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. a spokesman for the rams said the team was unaware and has responded saying we respect and understand the concerns of all individual who is expressed views on this tragic situation. one of the players tweeted this. it's crazy that racism is still alive in this country. we are all entitled to our own opinion. do you think the rams player who is took part in the tribute on the field should be penalized. let's go to newsnation.msnbc.com. >> that does it for this edition. tamron hall is taking time off.

watch "news nation" every day and tomorrow the return of our exclusive born in the usa series. up next, "andrea mitchell reports." thank you for being with us.

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leading to a demand for an apology from st. louis police. madam president talks about playing the commander in chief. throughout history have been the real power and have been the face of power. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. ray rice has been reinstated. an ash traitor overturned the indefinite suspension on friday. in an exclusive interview, they asked about the chances her husband will play again. >> what's it going to take in your mind fo