another meeting under way, the commission a pointed by missouri's governor is gathering for the first time. they are finding long-term solutions to heal that community. protests are continuing across the country in washington, d.c. just this morning. demonstrators held up traffic for over an hour. there is a new controversy as well. after rams players walked on to the field with their hands up. a statement of solidarity in the wake of ferguson. the police officer's association wants an apology. one nfl player is speaking out in a couple of minutes. that is not the only nfl controversy under way. jenay rice and her mother gave a first interview about that video showing ray rice knocking jenay out. >> have you seen the second tape?

>> no. i refuse. i refuse. i'm not going to let the public bring me back there. >> mom, you have seen it? >> of course. i didn't want to see it at first. it took me a while, but i did. i had to. that's my child. if something happened to her, i don't care it is. i want to see it. >> can you tell me the reaction you had? >> i was kind of sick. >> this days after the nfl's arbitration process came down in favor of ray lice. overseas now, a group with ties to isis is claiming responsibility for the killing of an american in egypt. they posted this evidence online show i showing it was responsible for the message from the nbi and support of homeland security. in their words, it might attract

the attention. that is based on current intelligence of the continued drive to attack u.s. targets. law enforcement is investigating whether a north korean hacker is behind an attack that leaked new films. the speculation that cyber attack may have been in retaliation for a film called the interview. the comedy issued a plot involving the assassination of kim jung un. we have breaking news from washington. let's go there to the white house, releasing a report and detailing a series of steps the admission hopes could prevent another ferguson. the president is meeting with the cabinet and law enforcement and the civil rights leaders to talk about ferguson. the militarization of police that stunned the country during the summer protests in ferguson. our senior correspondent chris

jansing is covering this from the white house. you have new breaking information about what's happening in the meetings. what's the latest? >> the review you talked about, 19 pages long and it came to the conclusion that the problem is not the militarization of police forces, it's whether or not there is a proper review of who gets the equipment and are they being properly trained how to use it? here's the relevant passage. i'm going to quote here. when police lack adequate training, they score improperly used equipment, they can facilitate excessive use of force. what are they going to do? they are reviewing the programs because even though they are 4% of the overall program, the heavy arms and the semi automatic weapons, the numbers are big. 78,000 pieces in the last year. a half million out there. when they check to see on them, they are only doing a head count. they are doing a goes inventory

and not looking at how they are being used. that needs to change. a couple other things is he is setting up a task force by executive order. they have 90 days to report back on ways to deescalate the situations. it will be headed by the commission commissioner charles ramsey. >> one of the questions i had is why not have these meetings before that ex-closive moment with the grand jury decision? why now? >> the white house would say these have been a series of ongoing conversations. certainly they escalated in august and this report with the recollect actions are precipitated by what happened in august. there is this increased focus on it and there is a new level of flash is out there to get something done. the justice department has been

working on some of these programs for many months now. it has taken on a new level of priority without a doubt. >> really helpful update. appreciate your reporting on this. coming up, more on the story speaking to the saints player whose thoughts are going viral in a big way. you won't want to miss that one. we are following reaction to jenay rice's first interview after that cleared her husband to play for the nfl. any team could sign ray rice now. the question is, will they? >> we asked just that question. >> what's it going to take in your mind for another team to take a chance on ray rice? >> for them to look past the situation chi know is going to be hard, but at the end of the day, he is a football player and that's what they should be really focused on because he has proven himself as a football

player for years. there is never a question of what he can do on the field. >> following this for us, is there a real interest from teams at this point? >> the answer is no. matt lauer spoke with ray rice over the weekend and asked him that question. rice said he is not specifically contacted with other teams, but his agent has been doing it. there reports from espn citing unnamed sources that both the colts and the saints are potentially interested. you have to consider the fact that this is no longer a decision about his skills on the field. a lot more goes into this. >> any team has a world of reaction on both sides. >> absolutely. >> we are hearing ray may be pursuing legal action against the ravens? >> he will pursue the rest of his salary. now that you have an independent ash traitor who said he suffered what amounts to a double jeopardy with this indefinite

suspension, he will make the argument he shouldn't have been let go in the middle of the season and they owe him the throw$3.5 million. >> i know you are following this. thank you so much for your reporting. we should note that matt lauer talked to ray rice. that interview is on tomorrow on the "today" show. >> also a big legal question from washington. whether threats made on facebook can qualify as threats of violence. that is what they are deciding now. whether the online threats can be punishable by law. the case is interesting. it's centers on a man who was fired and investigated by the fbi for rap lyrics he poefted on face book that discussed murdering his ex-wife and coworkers. pete williams is following this. can you break down the arguments on both sides? >> sure. what the justice department said here is all the government

should have to prove is what was proven in this case. what would a reasonable person think upon reading what was posted on facebook. the lawyer said no, that's not the test. the test should be what did he mean? did he mean to cause fear? that should be the test. not what a reasonable person thinks. which do you look at? what the sender had in mind or the concern receiving these things had in mind. the lawyer said it's impossible to get the normal context you had. all kinds of person can read what you post on facebook and may not know what the context is. they may not understand he was only kidding. all this talk about how he was kidding and these were rap lyrics is a smoke screen and what you should look at is whether or not these postings put his in fear, which they did. interestingly, the question here is whether this should be

protected speech. there some categories that are not protected like fighting words and obscenity and so forth. is this going to be a new category that doesn't get first amendment protection. scalia said twice today maybe we wouldn't lose much value if these threats will be illegal. >> when they are proliferating, i see them out there every day with violence. fighting words. maybe we can take them less seersz seriously in that is a big question. thanks for breaking that uh do. don't go away. a pro football player posted the other end of the spectrum of these comments about the ferguson grand jury decision. it went viral. here's why. he joins us next to answer and talk about the latest from ferguson.

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here they are. the receiving corps of the st. louis rams ending with prote protesters in ferguson, missouri. the hands up don't shoot gesture. that was at the game against the raiders. they lot of them cheered them on online. the st. louis police officer's association was less happy. they called it tasteless, offensive and inflammatory. they wanted to discipline the players and issue formal apologies. we respect and understand the concerns of all individuals who expressed views on this tragic situation. like it or not, they are helping to drive the national

conversation. is going viral. thank you so much for taking the time to join us. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about the rams. is the football field an appropriate venue for the statements? do they have a case? >> when you look at the players, we are american citizens and we like to stay abreast of what's happening. we have opinions like anyone else. for them to demonstrate the way they felt and wanted to do it, i have no problem with that. >> you all on the field had a huge elevated profile. that's an argument that one should use if you have that political opinion. i see that argument. there is your role in the conversation, using your profile as an athlete. right after the conversation, my personal reaction is whatever your thoughts on the issue, your thoughts were eloquent. you have a half million shares. it's pushing a million likes. you said i'm angry because of

the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations that seem to be continuing before our eyes. you go through the range of emotions. i know that although i'm a law-abiding citizen, i can be looked upon as a threat to those who don't know me. i am sympathetic because i don't know what happened. you used confused, hopeless, hopeful. why do you think it struck such a nerve? >> i had no idea there would be this type of reaction. i have been flattered and speechless by the response i received. many people have come to me and said that's how they were feeling and they didn't know how they put it into words. when this happens, there a range of emotions. a lot of those emotions come from a build up of your life experiences and how you view the world. for me, a lot of times when something like this happens, i like to write down my thoughts and unpack my thoughts.

it's not really your true feelings. you are able to distinguish why you feel the way you do. >> you are watching this and the white house is pulling out all the stops to launch a response and look at the question of police militarization. look at the next ferguson. from the first teach as all of the country were living through this weeks to now. do you think we had the leadership from the top of this political system that you would have wanted? >> i think there is only so much they can do. there questions of law that the government can enact and put things in place. as i mentioned in my post, it's a hard issue. i think that when it comes down to it, we have this thing called sin in our heart that makes us prejudice and lash out at people and treat people wrong. if you are are white or black,

we have the issue that can only be fixed boy the blood of christ. that's my view on it. we can do as much as we want from a government standpoint and change laws and put people through chaping and all those things are well and good, but the issue remains until we deal with it. >> just a note, we are showing live protests at the justice department over this. obviously people still raw and reacting to this. another front on which all of the nfl players have been watched are these abuse questions. you heard from jenay rice. in light of that case, is your view that the nfl is taken seriously enough the social impact players can have when they do these things off the field? >> i think they are taking it seriously, but i'm disappointed it took this long to take it seriously. >> what i want for them is their relationship. i believe that happened.

when the video came out, there was a month after the event that happened. we don't know what happened in the relationship. we don't know what kind of forgiveness or what kind of heeling happened. only they do. they are reconciled and they will be a voice for the future. ray apologize and he knows he has done something terribly wrong. i am, however, a little upset that it took the nfl this long to do something like this and seems like it happened once the information was out there. >> you and i platters have a platform and thank you for using it with such candor. >> thanks for having me. >> we are asking to you weigh in on one of the questions. this is the hash tag battle of the day. do you agree with the discipline to the st. louis rams players for the don't shoot discipline.

use hash tag agree or disagree. we will carry the results. up ahead is a block you won't want to miss. the president of the university of virginia pulled out of a speaking engagement with a controversiy as the campus rages. we will speak with a prominent student council president about all of that and what's next. a note about something important you may not be hearing enough about that we are passionate about. world aids day today. nbc reporter is holding a twitter chat to definitely into that. over 39 million men and women lot of their lives to aids. join that discussion. or you can tweet directly with my colleagues. stay with us. she inspires you.

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about the president of the university of virginia. teresa sullivan speaking this hour at the national press club in washington. the explosive allegations about a gang rape and changes that the school failed to do anything about it. the november rolling stone article was about this. she canceled this morning. just up and canceled. you can see directly and to and here directionally from the community. she spoke to students on campus in the last hour. however, a notable public cancellation of a response to this. if you area woman in college, there is a one in five chance you will be sexually assaulted while you are there. the males arrest and charged this weekend at william patterson university at new jersey. other times, no arrests.

no one has been taken in for the gang rape in rolling stone. we spend a lot of time in the last week or two talking about the community. this time we will start talk to the community. the students have engaged on trying to solve the issue of students that had been impacted and the students that we are going to work close low with. she went through the core questions we have facing us as a community that we have to solve.

at role does alcohol play. how are we going to solve it? what can we do? that's what we needed for her. >> is it a problem that there hasn't been a charge in this specific case in that rolling stone article. >>-it is a larger problem of how we get reports and how they are followed up by the police. the whole education process. i talked to our survivors and actually the last year that the student council has been working on this. it's a complicated psychology. the question based on this, we have a case in this case, but it's difficult to push someone beyond what they are willing to share. it's horrific and tragic to them. we would love to see the people responsible for this brought to justice. we have to make sure we are not discouraging the other 95% that may not come forward from doing that. >> you mentioned the things in campus culture that my prevent

them. a lot of people are calling for banning in response to this. do you think that greek culture contributes to silence and impuni impunity? >> they must be a critical part of the solution and not just part of the problem. >> the structure of the organization and the leadership and what fraternities are, they are a powerful platform. there is no leadership. they are stoping it and solving it. they look forward to trying to do this. >> i don't want them to demonize greek culture. people have benefit on it.

a part of these initiation ceremonies are the people especially women. >> they are about making sure we can structure them. they are part of the solution to the problem. that's what they need. they can't cut them out of fixing it. >> i wish we had more time to talk about it. i would love to have you back on. i appreciate your candor on this. >> a tribute to michael brown. they are calling it a die in. that of course is in response to

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the political widely condemned facebook post criticizing the first daughters after the turkey pardoning just resigned today. elizabeth lawsuit on is the chief for steven fincher, but no longer so today. she wrote dear sacha and malia. i get you are in the awful teeniaries, but try showing a little class. at least respect the part you play and then again your mother and father don't respect their positions or the nation, so you are coming up short in a good role model department. rise to the aication and act like being in the white house matters to you and dress like you deserve respect and not a spot at the bar and don't make faces in a televised public

event. a lot of reaction to that. thank you for taking the time. all of that said, was it right that she loses her job over this? >> look, i don't know. i think it's unbelievably poor judgment. i think children should be off limits. especially the first daughters. i can't imagine the stress they are under every day. we have no idea the conversations that occur before and after with their parents. they should not be brought into the discourse because of the job their father ran for and was

elected to. i think the comments were inappropriate and insensitive. the question within a workplace was one case of bad judgment or is this a pattern? it's not for me to judge, but she should be condemned. she clearly apologized for it. it was appropriate and that's where i think it stands. >> there is a long history of brutal comments about first children. calling chelsea clinton a dog when she was 13 years old. calling an ining amy carter the unattractive presidential daughter in history. are these comments ever appropriate? >> no. people who are dragged into this process and by that i mean spouses and family members, they should be off limits. they should be able to have a

that can grow up or live their life emptily of that. to the extent they are brought in, like being president or vice president. in a way that no one else is is a tough to then have to live. to the extent that they don't do anything public, they break a law. they shouldn't be touched. with that being said, i will say and i know you said in the examples of the other first family, for me, this issue is broader. look, there is no question that this individual congressional staffer was highly out of bounds. with that being said, i have been in the job for four years and have been doing it for about 20 years chlg. a mid-level staffer gets played over on television. it's the third story on the "today" show. when elected officials and democrats do something, it gets brushed aside.

>> i think when we look at that reaction -- the bush girls and that instance that they were drinking in the photos, there was an equal furor about that and i think inappropriateness. >> when people went after the bush twins at that time whether it was jenna bush sticking her tongue out, no one in the media brought people on defending them. it was most of you guys going after them. in the case of this particular incident, it was gawker who first went after the two obama girls for their behavior. i think that the media is culpable in this situation and frankly a double standard when it comes to how they treat a republican that screws up and a democrat. time and time again, when you see a democrat cross the line, say inappropriate things or a liberal, chris matthews crosses the line every night. >> when you look at that pattern that we talked about now, you

see these examples on both sides. it's a much larger problem. your illustration told me it's not right. it's not left. gawker is part of the problem. mainstream media outlets. how the policy wears, there is a rule you can't beat up on first children. that's part of the problem. this seems to be across the board to me. it gets so much coverage based on my own conversations about why it struck a nerve with people. they see that it could be their own children. they relate to it. >> i get that. right now you are limiting the discussion to first children. i know you are right with respect to just looking at that subset. there is equal bashes on both sides and it's equally inappropriate. the reality is that this is not a high level person that levelled this inappropriate comment. this is someone who took to their own facebook page who is frankly a mid-level staffer across the street on capitol hill. not excusing it, but some

individual who throws something on facebook and rises to the extend of national news is ridiculous. this is not a prominent person or an elected official who is making these comments. >> what my reaction is when you see a personal opinion expressed, acceptable to say it as inappropriate, but much more contentious that that person should lose their job. this is a tough issue and i appreciate you helping us with the party reaction to it. >> thanks, ronan. >> communications director, always a pleasure. keep it here. it is cyber monday. for you, how the viewers are expected to be shopping like crazy. there is a movement now. a way to give back this tuesday. an unexpected voice that is pushing that movement along. after this break. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement?

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>> welcome back, everybody. unless you have been living in a cave, you know it's cyber monday where we ditch the crowds for discounts and shopping on line. they offer a high tech preview in the form of those 15,000 robots from amazon. they will deliver goods at the warehouses across the country. big picture, fewer people this year may cyber. they expect more than 126 million americans shopping on line today. that is down from 131 million last year. this week also marks an attempt to respond to consumerism with compassion. they know it as giving tuesday. 10,000 organizations pushing people to give in some way, however small. one hollywood star is putting in new tools this tuesday. actor edward norton is the

cofounder. a sourcing platform that is blowing up and raised $175 million for good causes. it's not a nonprofit. it is a for profit business. that has been a point of contention with questions about how much they take off the top of your contribution and whether or not it's more efficient than giving directly at charitable causes. those questions they have good answers to when i sat down with him yesterday and started by asking why he came up with the idea in the first place. >> i have been involved in charitable causes and social impact movements for 20 years, been involved in fund-raising and gotten personally frustrated with a couple of things. one, the fact that the cost of fund-raising was wildly overblown. i was involved in the spending

on average, 25 cents on every dollar they raised. it's partly a function of using very outloaded and cost inefficient means of fund-raising to big gala dinners. the net take away was always lower than you wanted it to be. they were not doing a great job at reaching to a new generation of supporters through mechanisms of connections and networking that younger people are convergent with. in a way, that was our attempt to create a facebook philanthro philanthropy. >> you are doing something this week. >> giving tuesday, you are covering a lot. i thought it was a terrific idea. giving tuesday was this great idea to say hey, let's launch the giving season with a focus day around which organization. >> you have a physical embodiment of the giving going,

right? >> yes. we do a lot of creative leveraging and imagining of how to take that these things fun and get engaged. we came up with the giving tower. an experience where if you donate to any of the 1,000 organizations who are participating in this, you get a brick this this virtual reality tower that you can see through an app. it's a cool idea that highlights the power of the crowd. >> right. >> the interesting question is how much more efficient is it to give through a platform like that? 3% to 5% off the top. credit card transaction fees and the problem i think some people have in "time" magazine, you have seen the charity company doesn't sound so charitable and talk about that off the top. they made the comparisons through the old school. >> i think like i said, orange

organizational development costs range between 20 and 30, every dollar they raise. i think that all kinds of service providers charge nonprofits whether it's a campaign consultant or katerers or gala dinner producers and direct mail cost money. all kinds of things to raise money. >> even the difference that you are taking off the top for the crowd rights and then the funds are going to charities that also take off the top additionally? >> no. the charities themselves raise the money for their programs. i think that the charities pay credit card fees for their transactions even if through their own web. they are still present on top of what you are taking for crowd rights. >> in a sense, although one thing that "time" magazine doesn't definitely into, what we are doing is working with

charities to try to figure out ways like mechanisms where the donor has a cost explained to them and they are using a platform and they can kopt to cover the fees. >> what's your response. >> the other falisy was the notion that we are intermediating. we don't get involved in money with an theergz they are raising. we would be delivering alpha. we are not delivering on corridors of new fund-raising that they are not getting, to, we are not bringing value out. >> it is a breaking world where they run into difficult questions. they create more efficient outcomes.

>> thanks again for his time and significant use of crowd sourcing. check out ronan daily. we have much more of that conversation. it was far-reach iing including bird man. partake a picture of how you are giving. whatever is personal to you and put it on instagram or twitter. send to t to giving tuesday. we will take a look at the scope of what we have gotten done. up next, remember the very bad week. the tech start up using that to trap a reporter. updates on that taking disciplinary action and we have got surprising details after the break.

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following developing news from the white house right now. remember, this afternoon president obama is scheduled to hold high-level meetings to talk about the police response in ferguson, missouri. white house press secretary josh earnest spoke about it moments ago during the daily briefing. >> the president and his administration are very focused on the underlying issues that have been uncovered in a pretty raw way in ferguson. these kinds of issues, the nature of the relationship between law enforcement agencies and the communities they're sworn to serve and protect, is -- is something a lot of communities across the country are dealing with. >> a protest against that grand jury decision is still under way right now at the justice department as well. part of a nationwide call to walk out at this hour. news today of push on

immigration reform from an unexpected lob y the tech sector. politico reporting groups like electronics association will push for more visas for high-skilled tech workers, trying to mobilize a republican-led congress they fear might wait to move on immigration. another big tech story we're following, uber announcing it took disciplinary action against an executive who used the company's god view tool to track a journalist. it's the latest in a series of for a pr crisis which may be america's most loved and most hated startup. ceo went viral about those comments about hiring private investigators to smear unfriendly journalists. color new profile in december's issue as "vanity fair," and i'll let one unnamed investor's quote, it's douche as a tactic. not a strategy.

interesting stuff there. the author of that piece is veteran tech reporter k rach rachlt -- kara swisher. i asked about those calls for high-skilled visas and how the tech sector is responding to president obama's move on immigration. >> they like the idea. they've been pushing for it. they had a group that -- joe green head of forward u.s. which was pushing hard for immigration reform. they're very much wanted the president to do this kind of stuff because it got caught up. it was a real loss for the tech industry when they couldn't push this through because they're used to getting their way on everything. so, i think the -- you know, one of the big issues is jobs in silicon valley and the lack of people to fill all these jobs. and the losing of talent to china and india and other places where now tech industries are growing big there. they don't want to come here as much. it's been one of our greatest strengths and i think technology people really -- immigration reform is probably the top issue for them at this point. >> so, when the president talks about immigration reform being

important to america's competitive edge, that's playing out in real time in the tech sector. >> absolutely. there's something like a million jobs open. in an economy where we have unemployment in a lot of places, tech is not a place for unemployment. obviously, the second part is education and our s.t.e.m. education is so poor compared to other countries. i think that's the other part they wanted. but immigration reform and visas available to the tech industry has been in their self-interest but in the interest of an entry that's probably our most competitive. >> buzzfeed versus uber and pulling back the curtain of uber. investigating one of their executives using this god mode program -- >> god look, i think. >> to track a buzzfeed reporter. tell bus that. >> she was doing a story and he was trying to show him her usage. she didn't give him exclusive permission to use it. he probably thought he was being helpful but it's kind of creepy. here, let me show you the pictures i took of you. >> you think this is an innocent

explanation. >> i don't think he was trying to sneak around. he e-mailed them to her. but the fact he could do this without her explicit permission, she probably didn't know it was coming but she was doing a story on it. i think i would be creeped out -- if google sent me, oh, here are the six eames you sent. even if i was working on a story, it's disconcerting to know how much information they have about you. >> people were concerned because this came right after the michael, the other executive making these statements saying we want to dig up dirt on reporters. >> personal dirt. it wasn't dirt. it was personal dirt. that was the issue. in the case of josh, his name is josh moorer, they kind of run these uber cities like they are city states. there's not a lot of oversight. for years they sort of ran them and they're a little cowboyish. josh had been -- gotten in trouble for writing some eames to customers that were not very nice. gotten in a fight, i think, with

je jessica seinfeld a long time ago. >> is there a problem with how they use people's personal information? >> yeah. there were a lot of people looking into people's facebook profiles, some around old girlfriends, and that got fixed. same thing with google. there were some issues around who was accessing whose data. they have enormous amounts of data at their fingertips and the protections aren't in place where a lot of people could access -- uber, apparently, a lot of people could see god view. nobody should be able to see god view but god, presumably. but in uber's case they have this data, your credit card, your location, where you picked up. you could put together a lot of stuff. you're a celebrity, like yourself, ronan, you know, where do you go? who do you get picked up by? it gives a lot of information about you. >> new technology, exciting new things to be frightened of. >> exactly. just be terrified of being

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