shoot. >> hands up, don't shoot! >> all of this unrest is getting out of hand. >> we're talking about the exception here. it's a very rare exception when a white kills a black. >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> even nfl players are getting in on the protests on the field. >> we wanted to come out and show our respect. >> that was usually irresponsible and highly disrespectful. >> a young man lost his life. >> 93% of blacks -- >> black people who kill black people go to jail. >> i'd like to see if dr. dyson has saved as many lives in his community as i've saved. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. let's mixes two. al davis, the former owner of the oakland raiders used to say the nfl is part of our american culture. we found that out over the weekend. some players from the st. louis

rams showed us that on sunday. the rams players, trayvon austin and kenny brit showed up with their hands up. what's wrong with this? because they wear a jock strap for a living and play football, they can't have an opinion on what's going on in their community? the owner and coaches of the team didn't know they were going to do this. hands up to support ferguson demonstrator around the country. good for them. keep it right where it needs to be, in the focus of the american people. the rest of the receiving corps, they joined in and went on the field with them with hands up. the police officer association released a statement in disgust. they said they're profoundly disappointed with members of the st. louis rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence released from the st.

louis county grand jury this week and engaged in a display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory. i guess they're speaking for everybody now and the country, this association. the statement went on to say the officers association is calling for the players involved to be disciplined, for the rams and the nfl to deliver a very public apology. now, today the nfl took a stand in that they didn't choose a side. they said it will not adhere to the association's request. the league will not discipline any players involved in the on-field ferguson demonstration. the postgame locker room obviously was a little bit different. after beating the raiders 52-0, the media questioned receiver kenny brit about the demonstration. >> reporter: they say people say you're taking sides, that that's different from the police side. >> taking sides? we wanted to show that we're here for the cause, something

positive comes out of it. >> reporter: you see how the police might say, well -- >> i'm not here for the police. i'm just here for whatever great cause could come out of this if people come together. >> reporter: is that something that you guys told coach fisher? >> i don't want to bother coach with something before the game that we're going to go out and with our hands up to support what's going on in ferguson. we just want to let the community know that we support the community. >> reporter: so you didn't do this picking sides? >> no. you want me to pick sides? did you pick sides? >> that's how some people are viewing it. >> no, not at all. >> i think we have a serious misinterpretation. because the people put their hands up doesn't mean they're against law enforcement. they're trying to draw attention to very serious situation in our

society, that is t t is a fact unarmed kids get shot. the rams were on showing support for their community, not picking a side. the nfl released a statement today saying "we respect and understand the concerns of all individuals who have expressed views on this tragic situation. sunday's demonstration on the football field came as officer darren wilson resigned from the ferguson police department." wilson said he didn't want to put the other police officers on risk by staying on the force. the tensions were still very high in the aftermath of what happened in ferguson with the grand jury decision last week. president obama is working to relieve those tensions. earlier today the president met with young civil rights leaders to discuss their recent efforts related to ferguson. the president also met with elected officials and faith leaders from communities around the country. they discussed how communities and law enforcement can work together to build this trust that's needed and strengthen

neighborhoods across america. it starts with communication. and it's been one week since the grand jury announced its decision not to indict officer darren wilson and the country still definitely is laser focused on the story and demonstrations and demonstrators aren't going to be going away any time soon. but the misinterpretation is that because these players came out with their hands up, doesn't mean that they're against law enforcement or they're for breaking the law. they want to draw, as i understand it, attention to what is a very serious problem. and unless there are demonstration, how else is this going to continue on? could you make the case if there weren't any demonstrations in ferguson that they wouldn't be having a meeting at the white house right now? get your cell phones out. do you support the rams players and their hands-up demonstration? leave a comment at our blog. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more let me bring in

missouri congressman emmanual cleaver. i want it get your reactions to the rams players. the nfl is such a big part of our culture, we're about winning in losing in america and there's no doubt that the nfl is on a big platform, what these players do gets immense attention. these players coming out in st. louis doing this. what's your reaction to what they did and how do you feel about it? >> well, you know, back in the 1970s we had professional athletes like jim brown, like kareem abdul-jabbar and others who became intimately involved with the civil rights movement. jim brown stashted the black economic union. i mean, these guys, bill russell, they all were involved with making a more equitable

society. i'm thrilled there are young athletes going beyond their paycheck now on the field or on the basketball court. keep in mind to understand does not necessarily mean that one grease. -- agrees. i guess the deep down movement in this country right now with african-americans is to say, look, please try to understand our pain. you don't have to agree. just try to understand how we feel when things like this happen. and i don't think there's a great deal of people -- a great number of people who are seeking to try to understand. >> congressman, there's been a tremendous amount of conversation on this network about ferguson and a tremendous amount of focus on the peaceful demonstrators, the people in the community who want to make the change. for these athletes to come out with their hands up, they're not against the cops, they're not

supporting the violence. they're making a statement about the statement that needs to be made if we're going to address race relations in this country. that's how i see it. and those athletes were taking a real chance because in the nfl, there is the man, there is the owner and they are powerful. they could have seen their careers end by doing something like this. i think it was a courageous move by these athletes to do this and i hope other athletes do it. the american people pay attention to what goes on in the nfl. what are your expectations with the meetings with the president? what can come out of this? >> well, i think that the thing that the president is trying to do is to inspire american to do what they don't really want to do in order to achieve what they really would like to achieve, which is a raceless society. it's difficult work. it's not the number one job that the president has, but in many ways he is an evangelist. and the mealing at the white

house today was evangelistic in the sense that he's trying to come up with ways in which we can reduce the tension and then try to move forward to get to another level in this country. i don't think there's anybody except the crazies who feel comfortable right now with what's going on. and for the president to call a meeting in the white house i think is symbolic of what he wants people to do around the country. that is look for solutions. this is not about hating police departments, it's not about attacking police. i put my own life and my family's life in the hands of police. i was mayor of kansas city for eight years with security from the kansas city police department. 99. 999% of those guys are good human beings, but like any other profession, there are always some who will go awry. >> sure. >> and these athletes, you hit it on the head, ed, i think. i mean, these guys had no idea what the reaction would be from the ownership. and so i think to some degree

they are courageous and we need more of them to stand out and speak out on issues and become involved in supporting changes in society that they can do probably better than those of us who have been elected. >> i want to play a clip from former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, who now apparently is an expert on race relations. >> i think just as much if not more responsibility is on the black community to reduce the reason why the police officers are assigned in such large numbers to the black community. it's because blacks commit murder eight times more per capita than any other group in our society. and when i assigned police officers withcommissioner bratton, we did it based on statistics. we didn't do it based on race. if there were a lot of murders in a community, we put a lot of police officers there. if i put all my police officers on park avenue and none in harlem, thousands and thousands more blacks would have been killed during the eight years

that i was mayor. >> congressman, your response to that. >> well, first of all, you know, it's not helpful. and the issue of black-on-black crime is one that african-americans need to address. that's not the conversation right now. the conversation is about people who have been entrusted with humanless, who are then involved in shootings that many see as unjustifiable. they're apples and oranges. the issue needs to be eliminated, black-on-black crime. it is far too high. those of us who live in african-american communities can't afford not to trust the police, can't afford not to work with the police. it's in our best interest to have a police department that's responding. >> congressman emanuel cleaver,

thank you for joining us on "the ed show." >> lisa bloom with us tonight and michael, it's great to have both of you with us. respond to michael giuliani. you've had your spats with him butch he won't give it up. your response to giuliani's remarks. >> first of all, when we talk about the statistical crime, 84% of white people who are killed are killed by white people. 90% of black people who are killed are killed by black people. the reality is people kill where they live. people kill in fits of rage and crimes of passion. so that's on both sides. we don't have a vocabulary for white-on-white crime, for white people who murder each other. when we look at the numbers, we look at the fact that an overwhelming number of those who are murdered white-on-white, is again women. so there's a sexual violence

against women that is more pronounced in these communities. are we sending policemen there to stop the scourge of domestic violence that leads to death? let's put out policemen on every corner. the mayor is misrepresenting the truth. >> he's shifting the focus. >> in a racially charged manner. >> dr. dyson, as i see it, he's shifting the focus. instead of talking about a lousy job by the prosecutor, he's shifting the conversation about what's wrong with the black community in america and sow that has something to do with why an unarmed teen-ager was shot. >> sure. but even when he shifts the conversation, it's wrong. my point is let's take the legitimacy of the shifted conversation, even though we know it's not. even when you shift the conversation, it doesn't bare up under the empirical proof he

needs to support his claims. even when you go there, friend, you still messed up. why is it that unarmed black youth and others are being routinely murdered by police people? this would be unacceptable if a bunch of black cops were murdering and killing young black -- young white kids. it would not be something acceptable. let me say very quickly about those young men. i bet you if those st. louis rams players had come out with some st. louis p.d. on their caps, there would be no controversy at all among anybody in the major set there. >> lisa, the st. louis police officers association says the shootings were completely justified. did the grand jury prove that? >> absolutely not. the grand jury needed nine members to say there should be an indictment. they couldn't get the nine. at least four said there should not be. there's no finding one way or

the other. double jeopardy does not attach. the feds can still prosecute. a special prosecutor could be appointed who could prosecute because there's been no legal finding whatsoever. >> so where does the justice department go in their investigation? what options are there, as you see it legally right now, that might reverse what most of americans think was a horrific decision? >> well, i'll tell you one thing i wish the justice department would do right away, and that is dust darren wilson's gun for fingerprints. because nobody looked for fingerprints apparently, even though his story is not just that mike brown reached for the gun but that mike brown grabbed the gun. that should have left fingerprints and yet nobody apparently bothered to lock for them, among many, many other mistakes made in this investigation. >> so shoddy work all around to protect an officer? >> yes. darren wilson was allowed to wash his hands twice, bag his own gun, leave the scene.

the police investigators that interviewed him didn't even not record the interview -- having read hundreds of pages, darren wilson was treated with kid gloves, no tough questions. but the eyewitnesses were cross-examined and confronted with evidence that may have been difficult to explain. clearly there was a double standard going on in there. >> michael eric dyson, finally, what does this mean, hands up? how are people sitting in their living rooms supposed to interpret the st. louis rams players coming out on the field hands up? >> there should be no apology offered by the st. louis rams players. they are in a group of people who have been victimized and targeted. there is nothing wrong, as, you know, was indicated by emanual cleaver, the congressman and minister that jim brown or cr m

cream -- kareem abdul-jabbar, they have not given into the corporate culture, they are seeing the moral bottom line. we should be applauding them and not indicting them. had they come out with st. louis police caps on their head, they would be celebrated at heros. but because they have the temmerity to come out and represent their people, they are now indicted. >> michael eric dyson and lisa bloom, thank you. coming up, the lame ducks are back and they have got immigration in their sights right now. plus ray rice's wife explains the night in the elevator and talks about her own regrets. that story ahead. stay with us.

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does not feel like they're being treated fairly, that's a problem for all of us. it's not just a problem for some. it's not just a problem for a particular community or a particular demographic. it means we're not as strong as a country and we can be. and when applied to the criminal justice system, it means we're not as effective in fighting crime as we could be. and as a consequence, what i've been able to do today, thanks to excellent work by eric holder, our attorney general who had to fly down to atlanta to start a conversation down there around these issues, as well as the outstanding leaders around this table is to begin a process in which we're able to surface an honest conversation between law enforcement, community activists, academics, elected

officials, the faith community to try to determine what the problems are and most importantly try to come up with concrete solutions that can move the ball forward. one of the most powerful things that happened today was i had the opportunity to meet with some young people, including a couple of young outstanding leaders from the ferguson community, britney pagnet and rasheen aldridge, who both serve on the ferguson committee, live in the area and i think have been hearing from a lot of young people in that area. and what made me concerned was the degree to which they feel as if they are not heard or that the reality of what they experience has been denied. what made me greatly encouraged was how clear their vioices wer when they were heard and how constructive they are in wanting

to solve these problems. i think anybody who had a chance to listen to them here today felt the same way. we also heard from law enforcement and were reminded of what a tough job it is to be in law enforcement, whether you're in a big city or in a small community. as eric holder put it, police officers have the right to come home. and if they're in dangerous circumstances, you know, we have to be able to put ourselves in their shoes and recognize that they do have a tough job. i don't think those realities are irreconcilable. in fact, i'm convinced that if we work hard, that we can make sure that police officers and the communities they serve are partners in battling crime, partners in making sure everybody feels safe, that we can build confidence and we can build trust but it's not going to happen overnight. and it's not going to result just from a conversation around

the table in washington, it's got to result in concrete steps that we are able to lift up in communities all around the country and institutionalize. in order to advance that goal, here are a couple of specific steps that we're taking. first of all, i want to thank chuck ramsey, the commissioner of the philadelphia police department, as well as laurie rob robinson, who is a professor of criminology at george mason university and former assistant attorney general. they are going to co-chair a task force that is not only going to reach out and listen to law enforcement, community activists, other stake holders, but is going to report to me specifically in 90 days with concrete recommendations,

including best practices for communities where law enforcement and neighborhoods are working well together, how do they create accountability, how do they create transparency, how do they create trust and how can we at the federal level work with state and local communities to make sure that some of those best practices get institutionalized. so this is not going to be anndleannd le -- an endless report that ends up collecting dust on a shelf. my expectation is concrete recommendations that we can begin to operationalize both at the federal, state and local levels. and the good news is that we've got two folks who are respected by activists and respected by law enforcement and i'm confidence they're going to do an outstanding job. i want them to help us make sure that crime continues to go down while community trust in the police goes up. second, one of the issues that

came up during the response to ferguson back in august was the issue of military equipment being utilityiz being utilized in the face of protests that may be taking place in the community. it raised a broad aer issue as whether we were militarizing domestic law enforcement unnecessarily. i have received a review from all the agencies involved in this program, the 1033 program. i will be signing an executive order that specifies how we are going to make sure that that program is accountable, how we're going to make sure that that program is transparent and how are we going to make sure that we're not building a militarized culture inside our local law enforcement. third, i'm going to be proposing

some new community policing initiatives that will significantly expand funding and training for local law enforcement, including up to 50,000 additional body-worn cameras for law enforcement agencies. and i look forward to working with congress to make sure that in addition to what i can do aministratively and with resources that we've already got, that we are in a conversation with law enforcement that wants to do the right thing but to make sure we adequately do the training and enhance the trust between communities and police. and eric holder will work in parallel with the task force to convene a series of these meetings all across the country. because this is not a problem simply of ferguson, missouri. this is a problem that is national. it is a solvable problem, but it

is one that unfortunately spikes after one event and then fades into the background until something else happens. what we need is a sustained conversation in which in each region of the country people are talking about this honestly and then can move forward in a constructive fashion. let me just close by saying this. there was a cautionary note i think from everybody here that there have been commissions before, there have been task forces, there have been conversations and nothing happens. what i tried to cry to people is why this time will be different. and part of the reason this time will be different is because the president of the united states is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different. when i hear the young people around this table talk about

their experiences, it violates my belief in what america can be to hearing young feeling marginalized and distrustful, even after they've done everything right. that's not who we are. and i don't think that's who the overwhelming majority of americans want us to be. and i think there may be a convergence here where we've got outstanding law enforcement officials who recognize that times have changed and want to be responsive. i know that richard barry of the international association of chiefs of police spoke about how eager they are to work with us. i this i that we've got activists on the ground who don't always get attention because it's often times the

people who aren't be constructive that get attention but there are folks there who are working really hard. i think there's a maturity to the conversation right now that can lead us to actually getting some concrete results. and in the two years i have remaining as president, i'm going to make sure that we follow through. not to solve every problem, not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that may exist, but to make things better. and that's how progress is always made in this country country of ours. all right? thank you very much, everybody. >> president obama speaking at the white house just moments ago, meeting with law enforcement, faith leaders, elected officials, community leaders around the country talking about the climate and the distrust that is taking place between certain communities in america and law enforcement. he says this time it will be different, and he wants to make sure that voices are going to be heard. there's a number of things that

the president outlined that he will be initiating to try to make change. the president seems determined but what can he actually do? another task force. that was brought up there. what did you make of his answer? >> it's interesting you have a black president, a black attorney general and this is one of those moments that is going to be different because you have hurdled the step which is often the baier to getting the white majority to understand a problem like police brutality. you already have two people in positions of power to do something who have experienced discrimination and racial profiling and who are willing to listen to the people coming into the white house today and on the streets of ferguson. >> the president is saying it's going to be different this time because he is personally involved. he says because the president of the united states is involved here. i found it interesting that he's going to review the 1033

program, which deals with equipment that goes to law enforcement. often times we hear law enforcement say that they don't have the tools, they don't have the resources to do the kind of job that they have to do. that's going to be reviewed. i guess i interpret that as somewhat of equipment accountability, how it's used and why it's used. also, cameras. and then of course this is all going to come from the task force. but zerlina, aren't we talking about police procedures here? >> we are talking about police procedures here. it is important to review the militarization of the police departments across the country. if they have tanks and machine guns pointed at protesters yet darren wilson said he didn't want to wear his taser because it was uncomfortable and not every police officer in ferguson had access to a taser, maybe that's a place in which we can strategically make a change in police procedure to make sure they have tasers so that we can avoid these deadly situations.

>> we hear a lot of generic talk about how the federals are going to work with the state and there's going to be all this back and forth. what can the federals do? you now have the republicans in charge of the house and the senate and they have never been really willing to do anything to, you know, hurt law enforcement when it comes to the way they want to operate and police their community. so this could yet be another fight in washington, couldn't it? >> it definitely is going to be a fight in washington. but i think one of the things that's different in this moment is you have so many different groups of people out on the street, protesting and making their voices heard. i don't think that is going to be able to be sustained without congress paying attention and listening to the people that are in the street, right? this is not about ferguson like the president said. it's billinger than that. it sean bell, trayvon martin, so many different names and it shouldn't be that way. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. a lot more is coming up on "the ed show."

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>> janay rice speaks out about the after math. >> of course people are going to read into everything. >> was there ever any incident of violence in your relationship with ray or has there been any incident of violence since that elevator incident? >> no. no. i feel like god chose me and ray for a reason. it was definitely to bring awareness to what people are going through every day. even though it's not what i'm going through every day. >> i'm joined tonight by jim suhan, host of a podcast. ray rice has not gotten a phone call from anybody at the nfl. is this just the way it's going to be? what do you think? >> i believe so. i think there are two reasons ray rice probably won't play in the nfl again. number one, the video is so graphic, so shocking and it can't be explained away. it candida't be handled bstaffe.

nobody is going to take the p.r. hit for a mediocre player. >> mediocre player. no one's really ever said that. it's almost been like a given like he's one of the top players of the nfl. when it comes down to it, he's kind of damaged goods physically as well, isn't he? >> he was a good player three years ago, he was a big factor in them winning the super bowl. but old running backs age very quickly, they diminish very quickly. running backs past the age of 30 very rarely are productive. ray is coming off a bad year and then obviously he punched his wife in an elevator. i just don't see anybody wanting to deal with either of those things on their team. >> what about the envelonfl goo? he said earlier he was not forthcoming and then it was said

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can't agree on anything. but one thing we should be able to agree on is creating jobs and saving billions of dollars. this is a story about not being able to see the forest because of the trees. in our own backyard, if we pay attention to particulars, we can do both. create jobs, and save billions of dollars. in the energy sector, it's about mechanical insulation. what? yeah. mechanical insulation. nobody talks about it, but there are billions of dollars on the table to be saved if we act as a country, and if congress does its job. >> for years, our industry has flown under the radar. we've not been out promoting. that's what we're doing now. we're trying to promote. what we need to do is make sure plant managers understand what we bring to the table. we need incentives, preferably if we can get them from congress, incentives to do this

work, and then once we show the work book, once we show them that this works, then we'll see that people start buying into mechanical insulation in the maintenance sector. >> in 2008, the big discussion and debate was about health care. following elections, it was all about the economy. now the next big discussion is about climate change as it relates to energy. >> i've been in iowa, and i've done a lot of work on wind. i've been in other states doing work on solar. is that what you're talking about? you really need to have some tax incentives to get people moving in this direction? >> exactly. >> because those have worked. >> they have worked. the other one that's work side the curly q light bulb. everybody's buying new light bulbs. takes nine years to pay for the light bulb. the average steam valve pays for itself in three to six months. >> they're taking a

revolutionary approach to promoting mechanical insulation, the first true green building component. >> this is a whole nother segment of various types of materials, various systems that are in place, and i'll show you what we do and how we do it and why it's important. and i can do that over here. i'm going to show you a couple of devices we use when we do energy audits. >> sure. >> and we have two separate ones. this is just a laser gun. it hits a pipe, and it tells you the temperature. >> sure. >> that's 106 degrees. the thermal imaging gun, when shot on that same elbow, well, you can just see what happened there. there's the elbow. it's 113 degrees. i got it. these are mock-ups, obviously, but this would be a mock-up of a

pluming wall. it's a copper pipe like you would have in your house. these guys are learning how to insulate those properly. this is a closed cell material. that's what it will look like when it's done. the energy savings on this, domestic water, 120-degree water, will pay for itself in about 22 months. this represents a steam line on any oil refinery or wherever it is you'll have a pipe that's 350 degrees, something like that. that's what this would be in an oil refinery. we have two representations here. one of a valve cover that we call a hard cover. this is regular insulation inside. this is a removable blanket that this young lady made and she's going to show you how you put that on. when that's removed -- first of all, it's weather-proof. second of all, when it's removed and somebody has to work on that valve, they can just put that right back on. >> sure. >> and this costs a lot of

money. these do, but only one time. >> you've had a lot of success with these. >> oh, yeah. they're fantastic. >> it's right in front of us. proper facilities that are energy-efficient, are money-savers, but also job creators. you mentioned billions of dollars. we're just -- we just haven't put it together properly, have we? >> no. >> and if we were to do that, if we were to have a massive somewhat of an infrastructural change amongst facilities in this country, we would see a big return on investment? >> oh, ed, it would be enormous. it would be absolutely enormous. the chicago market alone. the average hospital has 13 miles of pipe in it. insulated pipe. >> the average hospital? >> the average hospital. 13 miles. the department of energy estimates that between 10 and 30% of the mechanical insulation that should be in place is missing or damaged to the point

where it's not functioning properly. >> so we have this big hole? >> we have a huge hole. >> and this hole is about facilities, conservation, but jobs? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and this would be a long project for america, wouldn't it? i mean, if we were to -- this is a big concept. i mean, this could be found in every state, every region, every town, where improvements could be made? >> yes. the short answer is yes. the long answer is that the markets, when these markets turn around and start doing this, the paybacks will be so fast compared to other things, that we could put so many people to work today. this is shovel-ready. we don't need any new technology. the materials are in place. 95% of the materials we use are made in america.

so this is all here. just waiting for us to embrace it. >> and that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. president obama speaking out about the civil rights issue of our time. policing in america. are the laws and methods applied fairly, justly and equally across all communities? the heat surrounding this question is now at a boiling point. today we saw more protests spreading to cities across the country. in ferguson, today, we saw the first meeting of a 16-member commission, appointed to find solutions after the shooting of michael brown. and i was at the white house today as the president devoted his day to meetings with