so this is all here. just waiting for us to embrace it. >> and that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. president obama speaking out about the civil rights issue of our time. policing in america. are the laws and methods applied fairly, justly and equally across all communities? the heat surrounding this question is now at a boiling point. today we saw more protests spreading to cities across the country. in ferguson, today, we saw the first meeting of a 16-member commission, appointed to find solutions after the shooting of michael brown. and i was at the white house today as the president devoted his day to meetings with

officials and civil rights leaders. >> this is not a problem simply of ferguson, missouri. this is a problem that is national. it is a solvable problem. but it is one that, unfortunately, spikes after one event and then fades into the background until something else happens. what we need is a sustained conversation in which in each region of the country, people are talking about this honestly and then can move forward in a constructive fashion. >> the white house today taking a series of steps, creating a task force on 21st century policing. releasing a report on police militarization, and announcing a $263 million plan for body cameras and better training for police. this issue touches communities nationwide.

michael brown's death hit a nerve, because there's so many stories like his. in staten island, new york, a police chokehold led to the death of eric gardner. in brooklyn, new york, police opened fire in a dark stair well, killing someone who was unarmed. in cleveland, police shot down 12-year-old tam ir rice, who had a pellet gun. all these cases occurred just in the last few months. there are countless others. today the president took a big step toward finding answers. joining me now is congressman hakeem jeffries, democrat from new york. he'll lead the congressional black caucus tonight in speeches from the house floor on ferguson. and msnbc analyst and retired atf analyst jim cavanaugh. thank you both for being here. >> good evening, rev.

>> thanks, reverend. >> congressman, civil rights leaders meeting with the president and vice president. i was in ferguson over the weekend talking to faith leaders. have we reached a tipping point? >> well, we have an epidemic of police violence in this country. we have a clear, national problem. that's why it requires national intervention, which is why many of us were pleased that the president brought together civil rights community, young activists, law enforcement officials today. that's why the congressional black caucus is going to speak from the house floor on being black in america. what does ferguson say about where we are and where we need to go. we have three issues to confront. it's unacceptable that young, innocent, unarmed african american men continue to be gunned down by police officers across the nation. it's unacceptable that we have a broken criminal justice system that continues to fail to

deliver accountability when police officers engage in excessive use of force, and it's unacceptable that we have prosecutors, such as the one down in missouri that fail to take their responsibilities seriously, to do justice for victims and families of those who have been victimized by police violence. and so we're at an important moment right now. we need a sustained response. and we're looking forward at the congressional black caucus to being part of the solution. >> jim, a critical piece of the president's initiative, $75 million for 50,000 bad cameras for police. how important is that? >> it's a great move, reverend al. body cameras for police is good for the police, it's good for citizens, it's good for all of us. it will exonerate good cops if they're falsely accused and if there's a bad apple in the bunch, it's going to show it up. most of the time cops act good. but you've shown a litany of

terrible cases where police rush in, shots are fired in a matter of a second or two, and it's too hastily done. so we do need the body cameras. i agree with the congressman, i think the black caucus being leaders on this is critical. because what i see is so much of the history of american civil rights not sort of absorbed by officers across the line. and we need to start with the history first. it may make them understand where the citizens are coming from. >> you know, congressman, one of the things that struck me about the meeting this afternoon and i was very candid and said i've been to a lot of meetings. this was just 30 of us civil rights leaders and law enforcement heads, mayors, the mayor of philly, new york, and others, and i was tired of meetings, but that i had faith this president understood and would deal with things differently. and he talked very directly to us in private and then to the

media about how he looked at this personally. listen to this. >> -- been commissions before. there have been task forces. there have been conversations and nothing happens. um, what i try to describe to people is why this time will be different. and part of the reason this time will be different is because the president of the united states is deeply invested in making sure that this time it's different. in the two years i have remaining as president, i'm going to make sure that we follow through. not to solve every problem, not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that may exist, but to make things better. >> people have heard a lot of talk before, and the frustration you hear in congress, congressman, i hear in civil rights and in media, law enforcement hears it, even the

grass-root young activists hear it. do people want to see something real to address this disparity in how justice is dealt in this country? >> absolutely. people are dying in communities all across america. as you pointed out reverend sharpton. we had a young unarmed african american gunned down with a kill shot through his chest into his heart by an officer who claims it was an accident. so people don't want words. we need action. the beautiful thing about what the president did today, he brought important stakeholders together, but immediately announced some changes that he's going to put into place, beginning with setting aside funding for 50,000 body cameras, which i think will help with this issue of accountability, exonerate innocent officers, but also tell truthful stories when excessive force is used by the police. we have to strike the right balance in this country, between public safety on the one hand, and respecting the civil rights

and civil liberties and the constitutional rights, particularly of communities of color. the president is the right man to lead the charge on that with all of us supporting him. >> well, talking about that, him being the right man, i sat next to vice president biden throughout the meeting, directly across from the president. and vice president biden is considered a real friend of the american police. do the american police need a sea change in order for this to work? >> yes, i do. i think law enforcement has to accept the leadership from the president and the congress here. they should hear the people speaking. you know, what can we do? what flaws do we have? how can we make policing better? most modern police commanders and the police groups and unions want to do that too. body cameras is one step. thoughtful policing, rev, you know, you're not rushing in head long. you're maybe maneuvering a little better. can diffuse a lot of these situations. and recruiting officers from these minority communities.

if the kids in the minority communities hate the police, they're not going to want to be the police. if we arrest them every time they spit on the sidewalk, sell a loose cigarette, and then bar them from being police, we're not going to move the country forward. they should want to have careers in law enforcement. we should recruit them. there's nothing more important than somebody from your community who is policing it. >> now, a lot of this will be applied on a local level, congressman. when we came out, we talked to the president, mayor de blasio, myself, mark mar yota of the urban league and one of the things that's really going to be determined by this is whether this is progress or not, is the recommendations on the use of military equipment by local police departments, which will be governed by mayors. and the recommendations are

developing a consistent list of allowable equipment, local civilian review of requests and acquisitions of equipment, and mandatory policies and training for police departments. how important, congressman, is it to address the militarization of local police departments? >> well, this is extremely important, rev. one of the things that stunned a lot of americans, blacks, whites, people from the north, south, east, and west, was the fact that the ferguson police department in the aftermath of the shooting and killing of michael brown, responded as if this was a military operation on foreign soil, as opposed to dealing with protests right here in an american city. and so we've got to deal with this issue of unnecessary military equipment being given to law enforcement agencies all across the country, without the proper training, being used in inappropriate contexts that often inflame a situation rather

than calm a situation down. i voted against this program continuing, as many of my colleagues did on both the left and the right. i think congress has to have a conversation after the president's announcements today about how we continue this program and whether it's an appropriate program for us to even consider doing as we move forward. >> congressman jeffries and cavanaugh, thank you both for your time. we'll be watching you tonight. coming up, the exclusive interview with the wife of ray rice. she's talking about how they were treated by the media and the league. and about whether or not the nfl commissioner has been honest. >> i can't say he's telling the truth. you know, i know for a fact that he told -- that ray told the honest truth, that he's been telling from february.

>> plus, the rape allegations rocking one of america's most prestigious universities. students are back in class today. is the school doing enough to keep them safe? also, big news about the gop aide who made those offensive comments with president obama's daughters. and the h and the hug heard around the country. please stay with us. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪ ♪ nothing beats that new car smell ♪

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fiance, nfl player ray rice. she's speaking about what happened that night in an exclusive interview with nbc's matt lauer. >> prior to what we have now seen in that elevator, was there ever any incident of violence in your relationship with ray, or has there been any incident of violence since that -- >> no. >> -- elevator incident? >> no. no. there's no way. he knows what he would have to deal with if this was something u know, i'm not going to sit there in silence and let something happen to me and god forbid, in front of my child. and just let it happen. there's no way. >> there's something else on that tape. the punch is obviously outrageous. but there's something that happens after the punch. and it's mostly seen from outside and janay, you are unconscious. you are out cold on the floor. and instead of being so freaked

out that he kneels down and takes your daughter's head in his arms and strokes her head and face and says i'm sorry, he stands fthere for a long time. what did you think when you saw that part of the tape? >> i was very upset by that part and i told him so. i asked him after i saw it, why did you just leave me there like that? >> did you see that part? >> yes. >> why didn't you comfort me? >> he said he was terrified. he was in such shock that this had just happened, he didn't know how to function at that point. >> janay rice says that was the only incident of violence in their relationship. but she broke down when she was asked about all the attention on her family. >> you lashed out at the media. i could tell there was a period here where your emotions were

boiling over. >> yeah. >> and you wrote this. you said no one knows the pain that the media and unwanted opinions have caused by family, to make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day, is a horrible thing. if your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you have succeeded on so many levels. just know we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is. >> and they will. >> that was the next morning after the second video came out. >> why does that make you cry right now, hearing that? >> it brings back anger. i was so angry. i was hurt. to see the man that i love have everything ripped out from under him, it made me angry. the support system that i thought we had in the ravens, that made me angry. the fact that i knew he wouldn't

be here anymore, made me angry. >> an emotional reaction from janay rice. and it comes as her husband has been cleared to play. rice's indefinite suspension has been lifted after a judge ruled he did not lie to nfl commissioner about what happened in the elevator. so what is next for janay rice? will ray play this year? should he play? and what does it all mean for the nfl? joining me now is joy taylor, co-host of the zas low and joy radio show in miami and dana jacobson. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> thank you. >> a really powerful interview from janay rice. what did you think? >> it was a lot of the emotion that i think we saw in the tweet that matt even referred to, that she expressed earlier. and it was emotion.

she kept saying anger, i felt like some of it may have even been embarrassment. if i were in her situation, i don't care if it was one hit, or if it happened multiple times, your whole private life is put out there. it all seemed like understandable emotion. i don't know that i would feel the emotion she felt towards the media, but certainly at the team who turned their backs on them. but to watch this play out over and over, it was completely understandable. >> as a survivor of domestic violence, the whole interview disturbed me. it got me upset listening to it. it's not that my emotions are directed at ray rice. they're sort of directed at this spin machine that's being placed around this situation. i feel like it's setting survivors of domestic violence back and victims of domestic violence, because we're still going with the same narrative, that it's anyone's fault but ray

rice's that this scenario happened. sure, roger goodell botched it, but when i hear her talking about anger towards the media and people speaking out against her husband and that everyone's going to learn that this is really true love. i'm sorry, when i think of a perfect love story, i'm not thinking of janay rice and ray rice surviving this. that's not what i'm going for. so the whole thing is just really upsetting to me. >> let me ask you, dana, everyone wants to know if nfl commissioner roger goodell knew happened in that elevator, as joy just mentioned, the commissioner. janay was asked about it. listen to this. >> the commissioner of the nfl, roger goodell, says ray was ambiguous, and the nfl says that it was a starkly different sequence of events. is the commissioner lying? >> i can't say he's telling the truth. you know, i know for a fact that

he told -- that ray told the honest truth, that he's been telling from february. >> and you think the league and the commissioner covered their butts? >> i think they did what they had to do for themselves. >> hard question for the commissioner, dana. i mean, janay said, i can't say he's telling the truth. hard question the commissioner needs to answer. >> i think he's tried -- well, he hasn't really tried to answer it. he hasn't. we've heard from the get-go that ray rice and janay both told the truth in that meeting. ozzie newsome has been insistent that they knew exactly what happened. and i said this earlier on your show, rev, when we first started talking about all of this. it comes down to, what did we expect domestic violence to look like? and commissioner goodell has insisted he hasn't seen the video from inside the elevator. he didn't see it so how could he really know?

whether he was told she was slapped or hit, i wasn't in the meeting, but it seems clear to me, he knew what happened. he just didn't visualize the extent of it until he saw the video. it's going to come down to the muller report with the commissioner -- >> is his job in jeopardy? >> if they find out that he did see that tape and he's been lying about that, that's when the owners will go after him. there's some sort of leeway, i think, where if it's simply just being so irresponsible that the owners want to say, you handled this so poorly, you botched it, you're so inefficient, we can't stick with you anymore. but i do think the only way they'll get rid of him is if they find out he definitely lied about seeing that videotape. >> joy, you mentioned your own experiences. and it struck me that janay was asked about the issue of domestic violence, and this really caught my attention. listen to this. >> i feel like i chose me and ray for a reason.

and it was definitely to bring awareness to what people are going through every day. even though it's not what i'm going through every day. it's definitely brought, you know, this topic to the forefront. >> and it needs to be there. >> and we're okay with it. >> but it's complicated. because it starts a national discussion and you're happy about that. >> it's a good thing. >> and at the same time, you don't feel like you're part of that group? >> yes. right. >> and sometimes i've read things that makes it sound like some are saying, you're with us or against us? >> right. i don't believe she's against them, and neither are we against them. i'm just saying that this is not the type of relationship that she's in, and no, this is not the first thing that's going to happen the next time. no, there is no next time. we've already made that clear. there is no next time. >> she doesn't see herself in that category. that's her mother sitting, talking, also joy. that struck me that she doesn't

see herself in the category. >> well, if that empowers her, that's fine. but regardless of how she sees herself, the fact of the matter is, she is a survivor of domestic violence. as a survivor, i'm sort of offended that i'm supposed to be ashamed that i'm a part of that group. you know, this is something that happens to people all the time. it's happening to someone right now. 1 in 4 women experience this in their lifetime. so, however her and her family want to paint it, i'm okay with it. but i don't like the idea that survivors are supposed to be ashamed about it, or that she's upset that she's the face of it. whether she wants to be or not, she and her husband have become the starting point for this discussion all over the world, really. and that's the bottom line. we all saw the video. we know what happened. there's no arguing the fact that a domestic violence incident happened. >> all right, joy and dana, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you.

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a girl named jackie. when she was a freshman in 2012, jackie was invited to a party at this frat. she says her date, drew, invited her upstairs, where he said it would be quieter, but what happened next, changed jackie's life forever. "rolling stone" writes, quote, the room was pitch black inside. jackie blindly turned toward drew. she detected movement in the room and felt someone bump into her. jackie began to scream. shut up, she heard a man's voice say. excited male voices rising all around her. within seconds, several men were allegedly pinning jackie down on the floor. "rolling stone" reports, she remembers every moment of the next three hours of agony. during which she says, seven men took turns raping her, while two more, her date, and another man

gave instruction and encouragement. most of all, jackie remembers the pain and the pounding that went on and on. one of the men even allegedly used a beer bottle to assault her. jackie's friends persuaded her not to report the attack, fearing it would carry a huge social price. months later, jackie spoke to a dean about what happened. but two years later, she still hasn't filed charges. the "rolling stone" article sparked outrage. protests filled the campus. they've suspended all greek activities until the state and new year. now both state and local investigators are looking into it. today the school's president vowed to take action. >> there's a piece of our culture that is broken. and i ask your help in coming together as a strong and resilient community to fix it. we will not stop until every

student feels safe and secure and free to learn and live and grow. >> they're vowing action now. but is it enough? and what about jackie and all the young women who have already been assaulted? joining me now is emily renda, a former uva student who became an activist after suffering her own rape at school. also with me is former sex crimes prosecutor wendy murphy. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be with you. >> emily, you know jackie, the woman profiled in the "rolling stone" article. were you surprised when she told you what happened to her? >> i was. it is clearly the most extreme story i'd ever heard. but what was more shocking to me, none of her friends had ever told her that it wasn't her fault or kind of straight-up believed her. >> emily, you were also a victim

of sexual assault. what kind of pressures did you face afterwards? >> i think i faced personally, a lot of internal pressure. i felt very much to blame for what had happened to me. and that's a very common thing among the survivors i've worked with, a deep sense of self-blame that requires good friendship support and good advocate support to overcome so that you want to report and you want to move forward to seek justice. >> well, what's your reaction to hearing the school's president promise they'll fix the problem, wendy? >> oh, well, i wish i could say, terrific news and we're so happy things will change now at uva. but let's just say when the president speaks out only after there's a scandalous expose in a national magazine, those words ring hollow. and i've had cases the uva, many cases over the years. they've been terrible for a very long time. and they've known of the problem

there at very high levels, including this president, and have done nothing. and if the only reason you change is because somebody exposed you, i don't have a lot of faith in your commitment. uva is currently under federal investigation in a case of mine by the office for civil rights at the department of health and human services. they're also under a broad investigative review by the federal department of education. they're implicated in a federal lawsuit of mine in d.c. federal district court. they're in a lot of hot water because they have systematically disrespected and disregarded violence against women on campus for a very long time. >> so, what exactly, wendy, are you saying that uva did wrong here? >> well, they've done a lot of things wrong. and in my federal investigations that i'm handling against them, i make a lot of allegations. and folks can learn more about them at campus

accountability.org. if you're interested in the details. but the forensic nurse, who does a lot of the sexual assault exams, she took photographs of my client's genital injuries from a rape, after she was drugged and brutally attacked by a guy who had reportedly done it before. she took all these photographs and then the photographs disappeared. isn't that interesting? and then she prepared a report for the hearing board that said there were no injuries consistent with assault. that's the kind of atmosphere they're breeding at uva. not only are women not supposed to come forward, but the ones that do come forward are facing this fraudulent kangaroo court system, no wonder no one at uva has ever been expelled for rape. how is that possible! shame on them! >> i want to show you a troubling statistic from the university of virginia.

since 1998, 183 students have been expelled for honor code violations, like cheating on exams. since the school was founded in 1819, zero students have been expelled for sexual assault. i mean, emily, this number is staggering. i mean, is something wrong with how the university addresses sexual assaults? >> i want to back up and address maybe a point that's a little bit implicit in some of the things that we're saying. one that, you know, kind of -- victim autonomy is extremely important. i want to emphasize that the only reason i am alive and well today and succeeding as a student and as an adult, it's really dependent on the fact that i had administrators and advocates at that school who respected my decision-making process and respected my healing process. that's clinical best practice in advocacy and trauma recovery. and so i think it's a little bit more complex.

and the statistician in me says, yes, we have expelled quite a few people for honor, and we could stand to be more punitive when it comes to sexual assault. and i think now that movement will be made, but it's a little bit of an odd comparison considering that sexual assault adjudication started much later than honor did and we've had to build a culture of reporting over time. part of the reason the culture of reporting has been bad is because people like jackie's friends discouraged her in the first place and that prevents her from seeking justice in a meaningful way. >> wendy, what's the way forward? >> look, we can't be blaming victims and their friends. we have to blame the institutions. they are responsible, mandated by law to respond to violence against women as a civil rights issue, since title 9 was enacted in 1972. until schools step up and declare on campus that violence against women is the same kind of harm as violence against any

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teenagers. but lawsuiton wrote to facebook, dear sashia and malia, i get you're both in those awful teenage yeerars, but you're par of the first family. try showing a little class. and she wrote, act like being in the white house matters. dress like you deserve respect, not a spot at a bar. and certainly don't make faces during televised public appearances. after backlash online, lauten apologized saying she quickly judged the girls in a way she would not want to be judged as a teenager. tonight, she's out of a job. but this isn't the first time the first daughters have been attacked from the right. it cannot and will not be tolerated. she and others who have done this before should practice what she preaches. and try showing a little class.

joining me now, "the washington post" dana millbank, and april ryan, the white house correspondent and washington bureau chief for american urban radio network. she's the author of "the presidency in black and white." thank you both for being here. what's your reaction to this attack on the first family? >> reverend sharpton, you never talk about a person's children, ever. but the president and his children, it's off limits. in washington, it's a rule that you just don't do it. but let me say this to you. people don't really realize how much of a home the white house is for these children. that's their home. they were comfortable in their home. >> they live there. >> it's a workable museum. it's -- they live in the museum. that's their home. they were comfortable. and not only that, i remember, and dana and i have covered the white house for many years together. i remember during the clinton years. you were not allowed to talk

about chelsea. >> or the bush years. >> or the bush years. you know, jenna cried one time when the information was being circulated about her at clubs and different things. she was talking about how hard it is. and being in that spotlight is just really hard. and one thing we know, the children are off limits because if not, there are repercussions, so you leave the children alone. they didn't ask for this. >> dana? >> let's have a little context here. the president was not out there making a declaration of war. he was pardoning a rather large member of the poultry family at the time. so i'm not sure what they were supposed to be doing. my daughter is a little younger than the obama girls, but she gives me that look frequently and i probably deserve it. >> what do you wear to a pardoning of the turkey ceremony? >> i think you should wear feathers or an apron perhaps if you're not going to pardon the turkey. but, look, this woman did put her congressman on the map. i'd never even heard of steven fincher before, i have to admit. although she apparently got him in trouble once before on social

media by using a tweet under his name, using the word "shagging." so this was not her first offense. >> she doesn't learn. >> april, there's more on this facebook post. at least respect the part you play. then again, your mother and father don't respect their positions very much, or the nation for that matter. so i'm guessing you're coming up a little short in the good role model department. nevertheless, stretch yourself, rise to the occasion. it seems politically motivated. is there a way to make this a teachable moment for any staffer on the hill, april? >> i think this is a teachable moment for everyone. social media, if you put it out there, trust me, people are going to get it. people have risen and fallen from social media. but let me say this to you, i think that lauten has crossed the line for herself and for the republican party. i don't think that she was part of any kind of agenda. she went out there on her own, because some republican

operatives told me, they said, monday, if she had not resigned, she would have been fired. >> but, dane aa, i want to talk about the so-called apology. she wrote on facebook, after many hours of prayer, talking to my parents, and re-reading my words:i can see more clearly how hurtful my words were. please note those judgmental feelings truly have no place in my heart. furthermore, i'd like to apologize to all of those who i have hurt and offended with my words. nowhere in there did i hear a sincere apology, or i'm sorry to the actual girls. >> look, i don't know her or what's in her heart, but that sounded like somebody who is seeking to be pardoned by her own boss, who ultimately did not grant the post thanksgiving pardon. >> but as i mentioned, april, this isn't the first time right-wingers attacked the obama girls or brought them up in political attacks.

listen to this. >> so maybe it's time to start imitating liberals in another way and go after the obama children. >> this is such a ridiculous -- this is such a ridiculous thing that his daughter -- daddy? did you plug the hole yet, daddy? that's the level of their education, that they're coming to -- they're coming to daddy and saying, daddy, did you plug the hole yet? plug the hole! >> he sent the daughters to spring break in mexico a year ago. that was at our expense too. and now to the bahamas at one of the most expensive places there. that's the wrong image to be coming out of the white house. >> at 15 years old, is the obama daughter, malia, going to go on birth control? are they gonna put her on birth control? >> i mean, these are very personal attacks, directly at the first daughters. >> directed at the first daughters and they're off limits. but you know, people in this

country and in this town, they like to say things to get a reaction. those will spark reaction, but i tell you what, this white house has been above the fray when it comes to dealing with the daughters. they let you know, don't deal with them. we've heard attacks before, not to this extent, but remember amy carter, years ago, how they dogged her. remember chelsea clinton, they really went after her. and then the bush girls. but it's gone to another level. >> it's another level, dana, and it's more consistent -- >> and you never ignored the first children entirely if they went to a restaurant with their parents or something like that. but the people you put on the screena an audience of millions of people. it's incredible that venom gets out there. >> dana and april, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you for having us. ahead, the hug seen around the world. and what we can all learn from it.

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but we cannot allow these images to taint or control the conversation. as i've said, if you are being violent or causing destruction, you do not stand with michael brown jr. we all need to move forward. as we've been discussing, that's where the president invited me and other civil rights and elected leaders to the white house today, to talk about better policing in this country. that is the conversation we need to have. yesterday i was in ferguson, honoring michael brown jr's life, and i talked about that. ♪ ♪ >> -- god's going to use michael to make this nation deal with police accountability. michael told his dad, the world going to know my name. but they not going to know your name, michael because of a rap record.

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