that's going to do it for "way too early." stick around. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ ♪ good morning. it is tuesday, december 2nd. kind of a wet -- >> it's a perfect day. i love this day. i've never been happier. you know why? >> why? >> we have possible list zero prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst and man about time. he's got a title for everything. eugene robinson. he's so sad. jeremy peters. jeremy needs to work. jane, can you give engine >> gene, can you give jeremy a couple of your titles. >> you can call me dr. peters.

i like that. >> j.p. does that work? he doesn't seem to like it. >> what's going on? come on let's talk a little bit. we never talk any more. >> really? that's funny. >> went to the concert last night. >> what concert. >> surprise concert in times square for world aids day. it was supposed to be u2 but bono was late. >> bad month. >> they had different people come out and play the role of bono. chris martin from coldplay, springsteen did a couple of songs. >> what was your favorite? >> springsteen. he did "with or without you." the beard is gone. >> like a baby's bottom. >> can you get louis instagram

up? >> somebody has jumped the shark. >> as he was shaving -- >> no, before he shaved. >> before he shaved he wrote something -- >> put up a picture of himself where he happens to just look great. >> model face. >> yeah, model face. >> he has a model face. we'll get back to that. >> and i want says getting ready to say good-bye to the beard. i almost fired him. >> kind of creepy. >> i just thought, you know what? he's got to go. don't you think? >> he does. it's over. anyway -- >> we begin this morning in washington where the white house is proposing a series of law enforcement reforms in response to the unrest in ferguson, missouri. president obama is asking for $263 million over three years for additional training of police officers and other resources. that includes $75 million to purchase up to 50,000 body cameras for police officers

across the country. while president obama defended programs that provide police departments with military gear, he is promising to improve the relationship between minorities and law enforcement. >> i think ferguson laid bare a problem that's not unique to st. louis or that area or unique to our time and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color. in the two years i have remaining as president, i'm going to make sure that we follow through. not to solve every problem, not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that may exist, but to make things better and that's how progress is always made in this great country of ours. >> big meetings all day at the white house on this.

what do you think? >> i think it's good. we talked about it an awful lot right here. in the criminal justice system there are two americas and ferguson was laid bare by the fact you have an overwhelming majority of white officers policing a community that's overwhelmingly black. and that creates distrust. it just does. it should. i think also, though, like the president, the governor, all these people writing editorials how they are so concerned about ferguson and what happened in ferguson i would also like them to talk about what went wrong when small business owners, black small business owners who have been working their entire lives to build businesses had them torn down, burned down, burned to the ground by hoards who engaged in destructive behavior, that tore that community apart, a community

that can't afford to have small businesses that are hanging on by a thread torn to the ground. and people's lives destroyed. i want to know why missouri didn't do more to protect black small business owners in that town. and i want the president to talk about that. and i want people to talk about property rights as well. of these small business owners. that had them absolutely torn apart and violated by hoards. i think a lot of people probably from out of town that weren't even ferguson residents. i think that's a part of the story that the president is not focusing enough on and other people are not focusing on. you focus on two americas that i always say we've had in the criminal justice system that treats young black men much worse than young white men and then you focus on the other side of the story that nobody is

talking about. >> there's a lot to be learned in terms of the overmilitarization and sort of the friction and build up and they were too ready and then not ready enough. they will look at that. i also think in a community like ferguson, they have to recruit young people from the community at an early age and bring them into the police system. i mean nothing -- you can do community policing but if you have got people living in the community policing you got an understanding and a relationship that's built in to the instinct of the neighborhood. >> you just have to do it. gene, you have to have a connection, you have to have trust between the community and between law enforcement officers or nothing else works. >> you do have to have a relationship. you know as i've written policing has to be something done with a community not to a community. and in many communities, in

fact, there's a much better relationship than the one that we saw in ferguson. i certainly agree as to the property damage. you know, i wonder why and i'm sure you've asked this question before on the program, why weren't officers and the forces deployed in a somewhat different way to protect some of those business, especially if you're is going to announce a decision at 8:00 at night when it's dark. >> gene, can you imagine how angry those small business owners probably mostly minority business owners are in ferguson that saw their government -- okay we'll protect you, we'll protect "your business," we'll protect your property and then they did this slow roll. i thought over the weekend there was going to be some indictment, but by the middle of the day i said there ain't going nobody indictment because they are doing this slow roll. okay, it's coming.

be calm. why didn't they get these national guard lining up these businesses to make sure they were protected. >> exactly. why didn't they deploy that seemed more bent on containing the disturbances that they seem to know were coming rather than protecting the businesses and stopping it. you know, there's one other thing too. in a community like ferguson and in too many other communities around the country, there would be a lot more trust and a better relationship if we had a better idea about police shootings, about police use of deadly force across the country which we actually know much less about than you might imagine like how many police shootings are there. >> a lot of those small business owners got explicit promises from state and local officials we'll take care of "your business" because after august they said we're not doing this again and law enforcement told them their businesses would be

protect. this rams story got more interesting. conflicting accounts whether a top official with the st. louis rams apologized for five players who head the hands up don't shoot gesture before sunday's game. county police chief said he spoke with the executive vice president of football operations who apologized. the police chief said it was a heart felt phone call with the official who regretted that the gestures may have minimized the work of the police departments and officers. the rams official however now denies ever apologizing. he says in part, in none of these conversations did i apologize for our players' actions. i did say in each conversation that i regretted any offense their officers may have taken. we do believe it's possible to both support our players first amendment rights and to support the efforts of local law enforcement. that's an executive vice president of football operations for the rams. >> why? unbelievable. >> head coach jim fisher says

the five players will not be spli disciplined by the team or the league. >> they will not be disciplined by the club or the national football league as it was released today. it's my personal opinion, and i firmly believe that it's important that i keep sports and politics separate. i'm a head coach. i'm not a politician, an activist or an expert on societal issues. >> willie, i don't understand. don't the cops -- what am i looking at here. other people -- i want to talk about the rams first. the nfl don't they have the right to tell players not to wear socks a certain way. i mean they control everything about them. >> whether or not you think the rams players should be punished

within the nfl if your socks are down, they are not the right height you get fined. if you dance too long in the end zone you get fined. they have these crazy rules to keep the brand uniform, to keep everybody on message. >> but these players can suggest that the st. louis cops shoot black youth with their hands up in the air? that's cool with the nfl? that's cool with the st. louis rams? that's cool to suggest st. louis police officers in the town probably a lot who go to the games and watch the games and are fans, the st. louis rams think it's cool for them to suggest that st. louis cops shoot young black men who had their hands up in the air when we know that was a lie? it's a lie. and what was that gesture on capitol hill. more people like going, it doesn't matter whether it's the truth or not i'll suggest cops shoot people with their hands up in the air. what is wrong with this country?

what is wrong with these people? what is wrong with these elected officials? they know it's a lie. they know the cops didn't shoot him with his hands in the air. they know it's a lie and they are doing this on the capitol floor? >> hold on a second. >> congressman jeff fers of new york and two others. congressman green and congresswoman clarke making the gesture hands up don't shoot on the floor yesterday. >> why don't they put flying saucers on top of their heads and say if only michael brown had not been transported up to venus -- it's just horrible. when will aliens stop coming down here and transporting people to venus. this flying saucer on my head is an indication we can no longer stand for aliens -- come on! it's not the truth you know it's not the truth and you're going on the house floor suggesting that police officers who put

their lives on the line are shooting people with their hands in the air when you know it's a lie. what's wrong with you? let's move on. >> okay. bill cosby. >> unbelievable. unbelievable the nfl won't do anything about this. yeah. good luck. good luck having cops -- whatever. >> it's definitely the other side of the story. bill cosby is no longer a trustee at temple university in a wake of a series of assault allegations the legendary comedian announced he's stepping down from the board after 32 years. his statement reads in part quote, i've always been proud of my association with temple university. i've always wanted to do what's in the best interest of the university and its students. as a result i have tendered by resignation. cosby is a high-profile

supporter of the university which he attended but did not graduate. he's a frequent commence inment speaker and the school offers a scholarship named after him and his wife. a information temple university employee is among the women accusing cosby of sexual assault. meanwhile the journal news reports one in three ticket holders to cosby's show this weekend in new york suburb have asked for refunds. an offer cosby extended to any ticket show holder. cosby has never been charged with any crime and has denied sexual assault allegations in the past. >> gene robinson, this obviously is not an admission of anything by bill cosby but this is one of his most treasured relationships. his name is almost synonymous with temple university. he wears the sweat shirt wherever he goes. this is a big deal for him. do you think he needs to confront this more directly? should he be speaking out or just leave it as he said and his

representatives said these aren't true, never been proven to be true and i've never been convicted of anything. >> as i've written i think his silence has gone too far in the sense he needs to deal with it publicly, i believe. i understand why he resigned from the board of temple. he clearly cares about the institution and knows what happens because of that association now. but look he has been one of the most beloved people in america, in american life for decades, and that's -- people have feelings about that and feelings what they've heard and i think they would love to hear him address -- >> gene, what your feelings about bill cosby, a guy who i would put with a handful of people over the past 50 years that have actually moved the dial on race relations in this

country. how does that legacy -- >> i remember when "i spy" first came on television. the whole family gathered around to watch every time it was on and first time an african-american had been in a leading role in a tv series. and he was a smart one of the pair and, you know, well spoken and it was a landmark moment and then, of course, "the cosby show," that showed the black middle class which had not been shown on tv before. there were "the jeffersons" before. >> it was not "good times" or "the jeffersons" shows i liked

and shows i laughed at it was bill cosby who said we have middle class families not going around saying "dynomite." it sounds stupid but it was a reality. our family and other families in the deep south would listen to bill cosby records at the same time there was social unrest going on outside. the guy was a trendsetter. he bent culture. >> and a great comic. you know, i spent an afternoon and an evening with him just a few months ago. we were doing a university benefit in my home town, and he still got it. he still is able to spin these wonderful funny yarns and he goes off into digressions and you think he'll never get back but he always gets back. he had the audience roaring. so you read these allegations. you read these things about him.

you don't want to believe them but you do want to hear him because it's a guy you thought you knew, you thought you knew well, and this other side is alleged and alleged and alleged to the point where you need to hear his voice. >> all right. one more story here. a mij shakeup is coming to afghanistan security forces as the u.s. prepares to officially end its combat mission there at the end of the month. according to the associated press afghan president plans to fire senior civilian and military leaders in five of the country's most volatile provinces areas controlled by the taliban. president obama has already approved an expanded combat mission if needed beyond the official end date of december 31st. a complete u.s. withdrawal is set for the end of 2016. for the first time the u.s. is acknowledging the iranian

military's role against isis and iraq. according to the "huffington post" a pentagon official says the obama administration is aware that the u.s. and iran are currently bombing a common enemy. the official says iran's attacks are happening near its border with iraq, away from the american led action. when reports first surfaced that aaron was supplying iraqi forces to fight isis the u.s. said it wasn't cooperating or sharing intelligence. >> so the iranians are better allies than the turks when it comes to fighting isis. turkey is playing a footsie game with them and the iranians are our ally. >> that's an incredible bar for turkey and iran are closer ally. >> all right. still ahead on morning escrow the mayor of philadelphia, michael nutter who was at the big meeting at the white house and joe man cohn joins the conversation and why coca-cola

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>> look at that. >> look at her hair. >> we love john legend. >> i don't look like that? >> do we follow the legend? >> they are legendary. >> let's take a look at the morning papers. they are perfect. >> they are. you're great. thank you for watching. wake up. >> all right. gets to the papers. headline writers at the "new york times" had fun with yesterday's supreme court case saying the chief justice was quote sampling eminem. >> john roberts quoted lyrics asking why it's acceptable for musicians to say threatening things but not the man who said things about his ex-wife.

>> this from "forbes," coca-cola says it's looking to enter the milk market. >> excuse me? >> set to roll out a brand of milk called fair life. coke claims the new product provides 50% more protein and calcium and less sugar than conventional milk. >> always worried about our health. >> and it will be lactose free. >> companies are working on bringing in other products under their umbrella that are healthy. pepsi has tons of really healt y y foods, quaker oot er oats. >> i want to tour those factories. >> "the washington post," this is a good one, joe, a would be jihadist from india found

joining up with isis was not as glamorous as seem. he spent six months in iraq largely cleaning toilets and fetching water. the former engineering student -- >> cleaning toilets for extremist fighters. that's probably not something that somebody would put in his indian yearbook most likely to clean toilets for extremists. he's an engineering student. >> he was recruited online. >> he's cleaning toilets for extremist fighters. >> is that the lowest of the low? is there something worse? cleaning toilets for the worst people in the world. what's worse than that. that's it. >> he's now back in india and in the custody of the country's counterterrorism authorities. >> keep him away from your toilets, friend. >> "the guardian" netflix set the internet on fire for the upcoming season of "house of

cards" starring kevin space i as president frank underwood. >> i'm not really sure why so many people watch that. >> that set the internet on fire? >> season three will be released in its entirety own february 27th. >> the "daily mail," an italian art collector is offering a reward after losing a million euro piece of artwork. designee said he left the valuable behind when he got off the train in a french city and forgot to grab his brief case. >> i think it's pad when i forget my ipad. >> the artwork is an extremely valuable japanese scroll. so far no one has turned the work in. >> keep that in your purse. okay. coming up, frank brunty's epic

description of the fling experience and why it represents all life as we know it. plus we finally get dr. jeremy peters in here. >> that would be fantastic. we'll be right back.

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♪ 32 past the hour. joining us now for the must read opinion pages. >> that's a bad song. steve miller has a lot of great songs but that's a great one, mika. >> you're on tv now. we're on the air. >> so frank is here. >> hey, frank how are you? >> you're the food man. how was your thanksgiving? what did you have for thanksgiving. >> what didn't i have for thanksgiving. >> that's the correct answer. >> did you ever have an italian thanksgiving. >> what did you have? what was your favorite dish? >> i like the turkey. i'm a dark meat guy. >> are you really? >> we had pasta, meat balls, italian thanksgivings are incredible. >> where did you have it?

>> my aunt caroline. >> how many. >> 40 people. she had to put a tent in the backyard to accommodate the overflow. >> italian-americans when it comes to holidays and food -- we go away with doggie bags that can keep you going for a week. >> can you ask your aunt if i can come next year. >> she will just put up another tent. he'll invite all four of you. >> the next times, just plane ugly. among my thanksgiving blessings was an avoidance of the unfriendly skies. there are few better showcases of americans worst impulse circa 2014 than a 757 bound from new york to l.a. it's a mile high mirror of our talent for pettiness, our tendency towards selfishness, our disconnection from one another and our increasing

demarcation of case. it's a microcosm in 40,000 feet. in the air as on land the rich gets richer. social mobility wanes and people are funneled ever more ruthlessly into gradations of privilege. too many of us lose sight of more than the earth. we forget that simply being up in the air is an experience that other seldom ever get if there's one thing in even shorter supply than leg room is empathy. >> the fact that they exist and people get into fights over them says a lot about civility and courtesy on an airplane. i notice a lot of different things that make me feel bad about the future of humanity. one thing is everyone seems to be fighting for his or her space. the number of people who are trying to get away with something in terms of what they carry on board.

it seems like an apt metaphor for what we have in this country everybody is losing sight of the common good. >> is this specifically new york to l.a. >> no that was just one example. >> the only reason i say that, i do notice flying in and out of some cities, i won't say on the air because we have a lot of fans in some of these cities, they are rude. they are the type of people that you try to get out and barrel past. you fly into other areas and everybody is like would you like to get out. can i help you. it's interesting how it goes -- >> do you think it has to do with the length of the flight? >> i think you're exactly right. i think that airplane is a microcosm and i think you will find maybe in the midwest, in more rural areas i think you might find more of a community and more of a hey can i lift your bag. i see it all the time. there are other flights i know i just sit in my seat until everybody is off the plane.

>> you try to block it all out. >> you guys find this too? >> don't you think you can find that walking down the street in new york or in a restaurant. everything is sort of a microcosm and there's somebody on the plane who has bad manners or wasn't raised the right way or we all agree we get out when our row gets out. there's always somebody who barrels up the middle. who don't agree to the basic rules of society. >> what's so interesting about the plane is we're having a big and important discussion in the country about social mobility, about class, widening gaps of the rich and poor. at the very time that's happening the airlines are demarcating cast more. you got the people who can sit in the aisle and those who can't. people who get to board early and those can't. there's eight different microclimates or privilege and now airplanes have updated their frequent flyer programs they based it on dollars spent and

multiple miles if you are in first class. that means the rich get richer and the jump across the divide gets more difficult. it's happening at the exact time we're riing that in our society. >> jeremy peters right this john boehner doesn't want to be remember as the shutdown speaker. his majority will be the largest any republican speaker has had since 1929, so large that it is approaching the size that democrats had in the 1960s when they solidified control of the house that endured for decades. what he's able to do with that power will determine whether he's remembered something more than the house leader during gridlock and deep partisanship. he's never wanted to be just speaker said representative tom cole. he's wanted to be a historically significant speaker. >> with a good golf game and a great tan. >> there's nothing wrong with

having those two things going for you. >> absolutely not. >> you have the senate and the house behind you. >> look at that tan. >> jeremy, does the speaker have a new confidence coming in to the new year? >> does. he has tremendous amount of confidence. you talk to his aides and they say they have rarely seen him this upbeat about what he can accomplish and i think that's in large part because of the type of majority he will have. the last few years his conference has been very divided because he's had a group of conservatives that he's had difficulty controlling. what boehner did this time that's different he went out and raised $100 million, got actively involved in the recruiting and campaigning for these candidates in places like upstate new york where he knew he could elect more moderate republicans that would balance out these conservatives that have been giving them trouble. 2015, it's a moment of both great promise but great peril for john boehner. >> when you say trouble over the

years, is that code for tea party? >> that's exactly right. we'll see that today because the republican conference will go in to a private meeting and discuss exactly how they plan to respond to president obama's immigration order and it's going to be the tea party voices in that conference that are going to be itching the most to do something very aggressive. >> frank, what do you think it looks like in the new term? >> i don't know. >> your as optimistic as your next airplane flight? >> i'm never that optimistic when it comes to washington, d.c. i feel for john boehner. he wants to govern and been frustrated for a lot of years and doesn't look like it's going get easy for him. >> i think the size of the majority of it will help. >> we're all coming to your aunt's house. >> aunt carol's address is what? >> do you think she will allow notice come. >> no. >> yes i said all of you. >> up next why everything you think you know about ageing may

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>> that was part of the movie showing getting older doesn't mean the fun has to stop. ann is here with herpes on the myths of ageing. she writes in part everyone knows that as we age, our minds and bodies decline and life inevitable becomes less satisfying and enjoyable. everyone knows that cognitive decline is inevitable. everyone knows that as we get older we become less productive at work. everyone, it seems is wrong. contrary to the stereotype of later life as a time of loneliness, depression and decline, a growing body of scientific research shows that in many ways life gets better as we get older. >> up assume as you get older you get more depressed but there's a lot of academic research that shows that's not true. whether you're measuring happiness or life satisfaction the research seems to indicate that as you get older actually life gets better and you get

more -- you get happier, your get more satisfied. >> we talked about the happiness curve before we came on, the atlantic cover story talk about late 40s early 50s tough and then it starts going up. i have a lot to look forward. you have myths here. depression is more prevalent in old age. cognitive decline is inevitable. loneliness is more likely. these are myths. >> yeah. the academic research is finding a lot of these things are myths. things like cognitive decline you can't argue that's a myth. if you look at cognitive performances of older adults in the lab you'll find deficits. but there are ways, researchers are now also trying to focus on what goes right as people gets older. >> can i focus on one thing i love myth number six and it reinforces everything i always believed. the lie. the big lie.

that more exercise is better. please, ann, explain. >> he wants that one now. >> how many elderly people do we know bodies are broken down because they pushed it too far and dudes with arms in slings because they are trying to lift too much weight. >> let's be real. that's the extreme minority. >> oh, please. everybody we know. >> nobody is arguing that exercise isn't good. in fact it seems that exercise is the one, one of the main variables that people can isolate as being very positive. >> so let's get to the myth. >> but in very recent years there have been a number of studies that have indicated that the longevity improvements that you see with exercise actually start to diminish at a certain point and some studies even show that those who exercise in an extreme way have less longevity gains than those who do it in a moderate way. >> are these myths debunked if

you're socio-economic status is higher? do you understand? >> no they controlled for all of that. the studies controlled for those variations. >> it's not what i see. i think people who are ageing who do seem to have problems with, you know, their physical function and who seem nervous and anxious and not happy. >> and not happy. nobody is arguing that this is true for 100% of the people. there's definitely, you know, a small, smaller share of the population that, you know, is prone to depression, prone to loneliness and for those people these are very real problems. nobody is arguing that this should be overlooked. but i think what this article is trying to say is that people should look at the bright side. >> yeah. >> when you think about ageing, you get scared. you think this is going to be awful. >> what's the new old >> what's old now. >> that's not a question i tried to answer.

you do hear people say things like 60 is the new 40. >> it's amazing you look at people monday night when my parents turned 40 and that was like -- >> oh, my god. >> i got to say seriously, i mean, 60 is like, you know -- >> it shifts with your own age. you have this survey of adults. 18 to 29 the age of old is 60 according to those people. according to 39 to 49 it's 69. as you age you view getting older as a bigger number. >> i know people in their 80s who work full time and 70. >> i see 120 as old. >> all right. >> that makes me feel much better about myself. >> ann ferguson, thank you. >> this is fascinating. as research bubbles up people get happier as they get older. if it would only happen to me it would be fantastic. >> it will happen to you. >> i only have 60 years. i better make them count.

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>> i have the falcon at home in the garage. >> j.j. abrams will kick it old school like the kids say. >> that was part of the first trailer. the new "star wars" movie, "the force awakens." andy serkis confirms he's the voice narrating portions of the trailer. he's part of the cast but has not revealed yet what his role is. trailer has been viewed online more than 60 million times in the last couple of days. spawn ad host of spoof and fan trailers. the movie does not come out until next december. we got a year to wait. >> isn't that awesome? that's total j.j. abrams.

magic. >> teasing people. >> look at that. look at that. there it goes. it's so awesome, mika. >> no. >> yes, it is. >> no. >> trust me. >> some things are subjective but you are wrong about this. >> "star wars" movie before i walked out -- >> you walked out of "star wars." >> of course. i was a little girl and this was a waste of time. this is what i thought. what are all these people doing going around in halloween costumes. i mean it's ridiculous. it's ridiculous. and then that -- >> seriously, stop. you got to stop. >> i support you on 110% on everything but you're wrong. dead wrong. >> as you should. it was a transformational experience. >> it was a waste of time. >> oh, god you are so culturally deprived.

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all right. so anybody have a guess as to where all of that happened? four different stores. england. all that happened in england. they don't even have thanksgiving in england. >> welcome back to "morning joe." would do you that? thomas roberts, what were they doing? >> they were shopping. >> that's not shopping. that's being an animal. i don't get it. >> gene -- gene robinson is still with us and with us now from philadelphia, mayor of philadelphia, michael nutter who met with president obama at the white house ned to discuss new standards for local police departments. thank you so much for being with us mr. mayor. love to have you here. just got an e-mail from our friend, one of our friends at the white house who wanted us to

say the president did talk about property reits and protecting property owners in ferguson and other areas. so, mr. mayor, let's talk about, obviously what's been going on, the discussion. how do you connect policing and police officers with the community that it serves? >> well, first and foremost there always has to be a mutual respect and a recognition that in communities all across whether it's philadelphia or cities all across america the public wants to be safe. people want to be respected in their communities. i think it's a continuing effort. i think there is great respect for the philadelphia police department. but our work is never done. so increasing the level of trust and respect between residents and our police officers is an ongoing effort that you can never ever -- >> what happened in ferguson,

you think? just looking at it from the outside. i know it's hard to judge other people. what happened? >> before this tragedy, i mean i have to admit i never heard of ferguson, missouri but certainly everyone knows ferguson today. it seems that there has been an ongoing, long standing negative relationship if you will between the residents of ferguson and their police department. the discrepancies and disparities in terms of representation, for instance on the ferguson police force and overwhelmingly minority city, black city with 53 police officers as i understand it, three of whom are african-american. that tells you that there's a bit of a problem there from the start. >> mr. mayor, this is not a gotcha question because i don't month the statistics. i'm hoping you do. what's the breakdown in philadelphia. what's the racial breakdown of the police department versus the actual city itself do you have any idea? >> the city itself is a little

over 40% african-american, about 38% white, 12% latino or hispanic, 3% asian, and that gets you up into the high 90s and philly is pretty diverse city. police department if i'm remembering correctly is probably a little bit over 50% white, with high numbers in either high 30s or low 40s percentage of african-americans and then smaller numbers in terms of latino and asians. again, a pretty diverse police department. but, police commissioner ramsey his focus from the start has been on community policing, having officers in our streets. walking the beat. that's where new officers go. getting to know citizens literally by name. and the community leaders. and so as we all focus on these issues and take steps different steps, numerous steps to increase a relationship between citizens and police departments,

you know, you lower the chance that you'll have this kind of reaction when something bad happens. unfortunately, small, medium and large cities across america from time to time you'll have incidents. people do things. things happen out in the streets. police officers are in a very dangerous line of work. citizens want to know when they call 911 they will get service and be respected no matter who they are, where they live, where they came from, what their stangs life is. that's the work and that's the challenge of mayors and police chiefs all across america. >> hopefully the series of proposals that were put on the table yesterday will help a lot. mayor michael -- >> i think the president did the right thing yesterday. i want to commend him and his administration for their work. we're all partners in this effort. >> mayor michael nutter thank you so much. >> gene robinson, you look at how philadelphia does it and we certainly, i think it would be a terrible mistake to do a perfect lay out as far as quotas you have this many whites -- but

philadelphia does it, it sounds like they do it pretty darn well. my question is, how did ferguson -- and i'm sure hopefully there are a lot of other towns out there that if they have the same disparities they are correcting them now but you just wonder how ferguson became so misrepresented, under represented in the community that's not a minority in ferguson but the community that is a majority in ferguson. >> well it seems like time for god in that sense because political power shifted in so many other majority black jurisdictions. didn't shift in ferguson for whatever reason. and, you know, ferguson -- this is going last. this is going to be with us for a long time. and in the end it's going to be a healthy thing. and i disagree with you about the hands up gesture, by the way. >> i was just going tell you, i

was reading my twitter feed. people are saying gene robinson respond to joe. that was going to be my next question. gene, the tweeters are screaming for your to respond to my hands up gesture. so now is the time to do it. >> well, no. the hands up gesture, this gesture has become -- it has come to represent the fact that you acknowledge that you've talked about for a long time now which is that there are two justice systems. one for young black men and one for everybody else. you know, i think that rams players were perfectly within their rights, their first amendment rights to do it. i think the team and coach fisher in particular was right to say that they are not going to be punished. and, you know, the grand jury while it seemed to act as the finder of fact in this case, in fact it's not the total role --

that's the role of the trial jury and there were witnesses who said that at some point he had his hands up. so, you know, again, the physical evidence shows that at the moment that the bullets tore into his body he had his hands up. probably not. does it say that at some point his hands might have been up or were going up or were coming down, it certainly doesn't rule that out. there's a bunch of witnesses who said that did happen. >> but the thing is, gene, you look at the transcripts, though, and i do want to be clear about this. that everybody that said that he had his hands up seemed to recant their testimony. the person that said he had his hands up and then he got shot and the police ended up not even being at the scene. i guess my only point is we do agree on two justice systems, white americans versus black americans. we talked about this extensively

after trayvon martin where we were on the same side there about how young black males are treated differently. i agree with you on the substance of, i think, almost everything here and we have for many years now. i guess my biggest concern is that when rams players hold their arms up, that is so weighted with what's happened here that it does make a direct suggestion, an inflammatory sui suggestion that this white police officer shot a young black man who had his arms up and said don't shoot. i understand the '68 olympics that was symbolic. this, those is not symbolic. this is very specific to what's happening in ferguson, right? >> this is specific and it is very symbolic and since -- just

in the last couple of weeks we had the young man who was tragically shot in brooklyn. you had the young man who was a boy who was tragically shot in cleveland. my column today is about the numbers, actually less about race than the number of police shootings. in fact we need to get a handle on how much this happens. but this is about a lot of issues and this actually is how we get through these issues nicole politzi is how we make progress on race here in this country. it's very scratchy. this is the way we actually get to the next step. >> gene, i don't think that's the case here. that's what causes me the biggest concern. trayvon was cut and dry to me. it wasn't cut and dry to a lot of my republican friends or conservatives who are still attacking me for what i said during trayvon. what concerns me here is that

facts are twisted and they are taken out of place and it hardens the hearts of people who might be in the middle, who might live in a white community, and might be more willing to start saying the things that i'm saying and that more republicans need to say because they look at people say, so many lies were spread early on and spread on twitter and spread on facebook and it became sort of urban legend and then we find out later that so much that was said early on that caused the outrage and caused the protests ended up not being true. that's my concern here. so if you use a gesture that's based on the lie, i'm just afraid that doesn't help the conversation, in fact it coarsens the debate. >> the gesture stems from what some witnesses said, and, again, if you look at the testimony,

you look at the way those witnesses were taken through their testimony as opposed to the way through some other witnesses were taken through their testimony, one wonders if -- i don't actually wonder, but i think that if in a proper adverserial process -- >> do you believe brown had his arms up saying "don't shoot." do you believe that actually happened? >> look, i actually believe that at some point he was clearly advancing towards the officer at the time he was shot. was he charging the officer like a bull, like a demon as the officer said? was he staggering towards him? >> do you believe he had his arms up in the air and said "don't shoot." i think this is a very important

question to answer. if this is going to become the new symbol, the new protest symbol of people on the floor of the house and before football games i think it actually matters whether it's the truth or not. >> i don't believe, joe, there's anything in the record that -- certainly not in the forensic evidence that precludes the possibility that he had his hands up at some point when he was approaching the officer. he probably -- >> that's an awfully low standard. there's no evidence to suggest a flying saucer from venus gathered them. >> there's evidence there's no flying saucer. but no one would be claiming -- >> there's no evidence that it's precluded, gene. >> yeah. >> i'm not being difficult. i'm just saying the truth actually does matter. >> i think it's a very uncomfortable question for you,

gene, because -- i think it's an uncomfortable question for you because if you say no, there's no evidence his hands up you're probably insulting a lot of people. do you feel uncomfortable with the question? >> no, i don't feel uncomfortable. >> do you think his hands were up from everything you've read? >> i don't think there's any evidence that his hands were never up. there's no evidence that his hands were never up and there are people who say that they were. now, those people may not be talking about the instant when he was shot. because the physical evidence seems to rule that out. >> gene, i'm only smiling because i was just saying this has reached at this point, i think the end and i just had dan in my ear going okay joe i think that's enough. i think we've played this one out. >> the symbol of the hands being up and the rams and these five players being able to do that

and have that moment might be more symbolic of the larger conversation of excessive deadly force in underserved judicial systems. take the michael brown case, maybe that was the example that they were trying to use but as we look at this on a nationwide scale, what else could they have done? >> it's a real problem. you know, i went about -- >> excessive deadly force. >> i talked about the '68 olympics in mexico city. i rather them do that than this. there needs something to be said and i do think, gene, again for people that only look at clips and haven't heard our conversations over the past two or three or four years, they might not understand that we are on the same side on almost all of these issues and i think this conversation needs to be had. my concern is just with the symbolic gesture. i guess that's a good question.

>> that's it. >> at any point conversation to be had. i want needs be had. >> all right. it's really -- >> not an apology between the rams -- >> oh, my lord. >> one more story in here. >> we have to get jeremy in here, dr. jeremy peters. he's gone. jeremy that was your best -- did he say anything? >> no. >> not the entire time? >> he had one -- he said one thing. >> it was really good, though. >> in the two hours he was here. >> it was really good though, wasn't it? >> no. >> what did he say. >> i don't remember. >> john boehner, change the way washington will look. >> we're sorry, jeremy. >> gene was just -- >> blah, blah, blah. i'm serious. >> i'm sorry. >> gene, i love you. you are one big -- >> i'm sorry. my fault. >> seriously -- >> don't shoot me, joe. don't shoot me. >> i'm only the pi anno player. can we get a split of this?

>> no, no. >> let's go into politics. >> republicans have improved their standing with voters according to cnn opinion research poll. they moved more than ten points in the right direction with americans since last year. but in spite of big gains voters overwhelmingly see the outcome as less of a man tate for republicans but more as a rejection of democrats policies. and the majority of americans are pessimistic about republicans in control of both chambers of congress. >> republicans have a lot of work to do. but i would say democrats lost. that's what happened. republicans are going to have to get their act together on immigration, have to get their act together on the debt, they have to get their act together -- for instance they are not talking -- they need to agree with the president on how to approach isis and give him the funding that he needs. they also need give him funding he needs for ebola or, you

know -- >> they have an opportunity here to be constructive and own the conversation. by the way, you can take senator ron portman's name out of the running as a possible presidential consideration. i like him. >> i like him too. he's for increasing the minimum wage in steps. this morning the ohio republican, he's so glad i said that right now, the ohio republican said he'll instead focus on keeping his u.s. senate seat and keeps him in play as a possible vice presidential running mate. that would be good. portman was on the short list for mitt romney for 2012. jeb bush meanwhile says he'll make up his mind to run for president in short order and offer a surprising assessment about how republicans can win back the white house. one that's likely not going to sit well with all republicans. >> kind of know how be a republican can win whether it's me or somebody else and it has to be much more uplift, much more positive, much more willing, to you know, to be

practical now in washington world, lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles. >> how is that done? i feel like that's sort of an impossible conundrum for good republican candidates. >> like jeb said yesterday, he nailed it. it hasn't been tried yet. because everybody that runs, runs so scared. i mean, you know, we said a lot of positive things about mitt romney. mitt romney's biggest mistake is he was scared of his own shadow when it came to the republican base. you can tell the most extreme members of your base to get on board or get lost, that you are not going to be hijacked. that's for liberals and that's also for conservatives as well. so they asked jeb can somebody that, that goes against conventional wisdom win a primary and jeb said it's never been tried. he's right. it's amazing what happens when

people go out and actually run a campaign where they talk about what they believe in instead of being scared of their own shadows. >> the dynamics are changing. i think perhaps there's a party that's ready for this. >> looks like jeb is going to run. >> it does. >> do you think there's a link to that with rob portman saying -- i'm not running. >> maybe so. if you have a florida presidential nominee and then you get somebody from ohio -- >> i think they are watching hillary, aren't they? i don't think they are watching each other. aren't they watching hillary? >> i don't know. still ahead on "morning joe" producer and director peter berg is here for his latest project for hbo. and senator joe manchin joins us in our 8:00 hour. plus the attack on sony pictures continues as hackers look to stop executives from releasing one particular new film. why officials are blaming north

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available only by phone. >> what? no it's supposed to be online. >> the embattled franchise offered fans premium seats. the redskins lost on sunday. >> that's a cyber monday fail. okay. peter orszag writes in bloomberg about why he's concerned his young son may be left-handed. he bases it on a new study that suggests people who are left-hand left-hand earn 10% to 12% less than people who are right-handed. >> peter, what? >> according to a harvard study. lefties score lower than righties. >> that's true. who cares? i'm still sitting here. >> they have tend to have more emotional and behavioral problems. 12% of people in the world are left-handed. he's got to be left-handed. >> do you know how many presidents are left-handed? >> how many? >> a lot.

>> "usa today" police in california are looking for an iphone thief who took selfies with a stolen phone which is linked to the victim's iphone account. the thief is continuously taking photos like this one since the phone was stolen. authorities have released the photo with hopes it will lead to an arrest. oh, my god. selfie feed. go ahead. what's next. >> lead to getting you to abeutician. bruce springsteen filled in for bono. this was a concert for world aids day yesterday december 1st. u2 expressing their thanks to martin and the boss who stepped in. martin sang "beautiful day." bruce sang "where the streets

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>> reporter: when hackers attack sony pictures they left a message on company computers. hacked by gop or guardians of peace. >> guardians of peace created a facebook page just a few days ago. they have 12 likes on their facebook page. from a hacker community they are considered a non-entity. >> reporter: the group is so unknown and made so many rookie hacker mistakes. >> "word on the street" is whoever is doing this doesn't know how to act like a real hacker. >> reporter: some cyber security analysts say the sony attack could be the work of a disgruntled employee. >> the fact that the person has a de-encryption key suggests this is not north korea doing this but somebody on the inside. >> hello, north korea! >> reporter: north korea is a suspect in the attack after it

promised to retaliate if sony pictures released the comedy "the interview" a fictional plot to kill kim jong-un. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea. >> reporter: while north korea hasn't commented on the attack, analysts agree they are capable. >> they absolutely have the capability with thousands of cyber hackers working for their government in their military. >> north korea is a powerhouse when it comes to cyber security. if they wanted to do this against sony, sony would be off line completely right now. >> reporter: meanwhile sony considers the damage five leaked movies, four yet to be released may have on their reputation, and their bottom line. >> that's huge. >> that's really bad. coming up more fall out for bill cosby as the comedian steps down from a long time academic post in the wake of sexual assault allegations. nbc news kate snow has the latest details ahead. stay with us. enthusiast.

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♪ so bill cosby is no long ear trustee at temple university. in the wake of sexual assault allegations institutions have been distancing themselves from the comedian, including two colleges just before thanksgiving. but the school he first attended in the '60s, temple, had not taken any action until late yesterday.

nbc news national correspondent kate snow has the story. >> think about your power. think about it. >> reporter: for years now temple university has put dr. cosby on the podium. >> you did this. and you came and now you have it. now do something woe it. >> reporter: this was his beloved temple. >> i always associate you and temple. >> reporter: on monday he called the board and resigned. cosby said i have always wanted to do what would be in the best interest of the university and its students. as a result i have tendered by resignation from the temple university board of trustees. students and alumni from temple have been calling on the university to cut ties with cosby. the board said only that it accepts his resignation. the founder of a group that works to prevent sexual assault called that a pivotal moment.

>> i think it's a big deal both because his image has been tied to temple for decades now and the first big allegation against him many years ago was by an employee of temple university. >> reporter: in 2005 the director of operations for the women's basketball program at temple accused of cosby of drugging and assaulting her. that civil suit was settled. 20 more women have now publicly accused cosby. cosby has never been charged with any crime and his attorney call the accusations unsubstantiated fantastic stories. >> willingness to believe that someone that's so loved and respected could be capable of such terrible acts is there in a way that it wasn't a few years ago. >> that was kate snow reporting. it's a tragedy. cosby's next comedy shows are scheduled for this saturday at a theater just outside of new york city. the venue sent ticket holders an e-mail on friday telling them they are now able to offer

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"culture shock." with us now the series executive producer peter berg. so we just saw a young man die. >> that was a young man named david edwards who was in the white uniform who made the tackle. he became a quadriplegic when he made that hit and passed away a year and a half later. and we were filming, i was making the film friday night lights and we were in austin, texas, filming for the movie, filming real playoff games and when that happened and that became a game changer for me and my relationship with football. >> happened? we grew up -- i mean we grew up in a football culture. i started playing football when i was 6. i didn't think twice about it. i grew up in the deep south. it was the center of my life. i played football. i coached football. i mean so much seems to have changed in the past several years. >> people have different

opinions and there's no one single answer. i have my opinions. i don't know that they are all entirely right. but it seems pretty obvious that the players have gotten bigger. they have gotten stronger. they have gotten faster. the equipment is, gives such a false sense of security particularly the helmets and there's a new waive tackling. players lower their heads and lead with their heads and in the case of david edwards who was very seriously hurt and then died, he lowered his head. >> you know, i remember even back in high school, i remember, unfortunately, a young man at a local high school died and our coaches came in and basically was yelling at us saying you don't tackle with your head. and they went through the basics of tackling, which i learned starting at 6 years old. and you watch football now on all levels. they don't tackle that way. they go in -- they don't lower their head or move to it the side wrap.

that was the way to do it. that's why we didn't get as many head injuries. >> this shows we're doing what's called "culture shock" and about the nfl's efforts to slow it down and make the game safer and remove the head from the game. but it's a real problem. if you have kids you know that yelling at your kids doesn't necessarily work. >> yeah. >> there are a lot of people who say keep your head up, don't lead with your head but there are very few people teaching it. kids entering football and not lowering their heads. >> we want to show this. you have a one on one interview with dallas cowboys owner where you talk about the safety issues and concerns in football. take a look. >> if i was a coach of your son, had a 12-year-old son and your son is playing defense and tackling a lot and it's day one after practice and you can ask me, you know, one or two questions to feel comfortable for you with all the knowledge you have about football that i'm qualified to assume this responsibility for your child,

what would you ask me? >> coach, are you showing him where to put his head? it would be just that simple. >> is that number up with, two or three. >> i would say your showing where to put his head? that certainly is the area we're trying to emphasize where your shade. >> that's pretty crazy. i was talking about what happened to me in a football locker room decades ago. jerry jones saying the same thing 30 years later. >> he's right. i believe he's right. for any parent -- i think really that's the big issue now because a lot of kids are playing lacrosse. a lot of kids are not playing football. a lot of moms don't want their kids playing football. they want to know if the game can be made safe. what is so critical is coaches at a young age teach kids to keep their heads up. >> i talked to rugby players all the time, i ask you how do you that without helmets.

they say it's safer because we don't use our heads as weapons. we keep our heads the hell out of the way whenever everybody starts piling in. >> their body -- >> they use their bodies. >> sure. it makes total sense. nowadays if you put a football helmet on lately it feels you can race an f1 car in. you feel like a superhero. you feel unstoppable. people put these helmets on and it's instinctive they will use them as weapons or they are going to lead with them and i think the equipment is giving players a false sense of security. >> the other reason why this is so timely we had that confirmation of the osu player, kosta karageorge, 22 years old who suffered from concussions, sent a text to his mom and then was missing for five days and then it was confirmed it was suicide. >> your son doesn't play football? >> my son is playing lacrosse right now. he's not happy about it. he wants to play football. i want him to play football.

but, unless he's in a program where i believe the coaches are dedicated to spending as much time teaching the kids how to be safe as they do how to score touchdowns i'm happy with lacrosse. >> can't do it. all right. peter, thank you so much. really appreciate you coming. >> "culture shock" premieres tonight on hbo. peter berg thanks so much. still ahead cost of crude oil down 38% this year sending shockwaves. now experts say gas prices may fall below $2 a gallon. why cheap oil may not be in america's best interest. ♪ (holiday music is playing) hey! i guess we're going to need a new santa ♪(the music builds to a climax.)

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the plunging price of oil impact the geopolitical landscape? here to answer that is the president and found of eurasia group and issarah eisner. >> i think we just rather talk about the jacket. >> your jacket is awesome. >> i appreciate that. >> warm too. >> it is. has some texture to it. >> have to show the back and front so we get the full context because the back is solid. >> die this for you. it pops more on television. >> there you go. >> all right. price of oil. >> all right. >> we got to do business. let's talk about putin, first of all. oil prices are going low. experts say because of under $70 that hurts putin, that hurts iran, that hurts isis. what say you?

>> this is a great time for putin to back down and compromise. oil prices are hurting his economy much more than sanctions. >> wellcorner. he has his entire mandate now on the basis of the u.s. and the west has wronged him. he must take ukraine. he must ensure they're not joining europe. >> so you actually think oil prices obviously below 70 bucks. >> yes. >> terrible for putin. you think he's going to double down? >> i absolutely do. and that's the danger. as we look over the next few months, this isn't someone who will lose power. he will be there for 2018 elections and beyond and everything possible to ensure that. that means he needs to consolidate before the economics get really bad. >> sarah, what does it mean for our economy? what does it mean for the eu's economy to have prices plummet and actually have pricey gas go down? >> go down. and thatst the key. net net it's a positive. it puts more money in consumers'

pockets. the gas bill has been a huge headache. the lower oil stays and the longer it stays, people realize hey, maybe these are here to stay. we can spend elsewhere. but it's not as as it would have been years ago. that's because the u.s. has been booming in terms of energy production. if you look at jobs growth, a lot f it is concentrated in these areas. in the dakotas and shale produciproduce ing regions. >> it's not going to be great. if you look at the prices, they're getting to levels where it's worrisome about if they can make money drilling for oil or whether they will lose, and so a lot of the companies have been smacked. >> the the whole fracking strategy depends on the oil prices being about 70. >> so it's hard to imagine oil

continuing to dive. >> no. >> oil is coming off. that's not priced on the market yet. the likelihood on sanctions on iran, no deal in 2013. and this opec meeting, the only people to move are saudis. >> why do they do nothing? >> they're not going to do it in an opec meeting. they'll do it on their own time outside of opec. >> let's talk about long-term here, sarah. i get a look at these oil prices going down like the deficit going down. then we knew it would go back up. oil prices are going down, but the demand is exploding over the next 20 to 30 years. they're going to go back up, right? this is a temporary vacation. >> yeah, what's surprising everyone is how fast they're falling. now never want to see them disrupted in such a disorderly way. this is a steep move. more than 30% since june. that's worrisome of how that

changes the investment landscape around the world. and a lot of people are watching the the currency. >> is there nobody, ian, that can go to putin and say dude, we're in trouble. >> not anymore. he's not getting the message. he's not getting the news. they don't give him bad news. you surround yourself with people that are scared to give you bad news. i do that with mika. the good news is not so much the united states. countries like china and the europeans who were really hurt by high energy prices, a lot coming in and growth coming down in china, almost going back to recession in europe.

that's where we think of 2015, having prices in the the moderate range really helps the economy. ch. >> when you think about vladimir putin and 2018. we know he'll be in power until then. but technically putin could be in power until 2024. >> right. so hi has a long way to go. and he's probably not one that will want to see power any time soon. >> i have a hard time imagining smooth sailing with this president. they're not going to be able to kick the can down the road. the real issue is putin has been pushed in a strategic relationship with the chinese. they invite putin a day orange. the russians have options right now, but they're not options we

like. >> the other thing that's interesting is this hurts iran as well. they're a major producer. they wanted to cut production, to get prices back up. any sense of how much this is impacting them? >> another reason is they were not going to respond to the the iranians. they'll do it on their own time. it makes them want a deal more or want to erode sanctions more. the fact is two sides are very far from a deal right now. and the fact that it's seven months, i suspect they're first going to see if they can get any countries to jump against the united states. >> so since you're cnbc host and analyst. >> an expert. should i invest? i usually go to the dog track with willie. should i invest in oil futures over the next 20, 30 years? >> one thing as a cnbc host, i learned i do not give investment advice. i talk to the pros and experts

about that. it's hard to find deep value in this market, right? how many times have i mentioned a record high for stocks? things are expensive and above their historical averages except for energy. the question is, when do you yump? energy prices, oil prices can't go down forever. you can find a lot of garbagbar in the energy space. you would be surprised how many. >> i do. >> i think it's hard to see oil going much lower. we look at 2015 and prices are a bit higher. >> i think so. the last time invested was in japan in the nikkea. because they're always going to like keep going up, and then right after my investment, they hit the lost decade. >> should have invested two years ago. that would have been massive.

>> if i invest in oil right now, i assure low gas prices for the the next decade for americans. we had like four hurricanes. >> it's a public service. i don't see how you cannot do it? >> i bought a generator to power my house. no hurricanes. >> all right. that's one way to do it. >> yeah. ian bremer and sarah eisen. ft. >> santa just said we need to invest in oil. >> thank you, sarah, for that advice. but once in a while, it slips out. up next, the fallout from ferguson has led to a big national conversation, but has it now been reduceded to a fight over an apology. hello? the st. louis rams explain the difference between an apology and expressing regret. >> i do both all the the time.

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good morning. it is tuesday, december 2nd. >> it's a perfect day. i love this day. i've never been happier. >> with us from washington. >> you know why? >> why? >> we have pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate from the "washington post" and msnbc politico analyst and man about time. he has a title for everything. eugene robinson. and also look at this. it's so sad. and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. jeremy needs to work on that.

can you give jeremy a couple of your titles? >> sir jeremy peters. >> youz can call me sir dr. peters. >> how about j.p. like a celebrity nickname? he doesn't seem to like that. what going on? we never talk anymore. >> went to the concert last night. >> what concert? >> the surprise concert in times square. >> okay. for world aids day. >> yes. it was supposed to be u2 but bono is laid up. so they had different people come out and play the role. so springsteen did a couple of songs. carrie underwood, kanye west. >> what was your favorite? >> springsteen as bono was pretty good. >> what did he sing?

>> he did with or without you but in that gravelly voice. totally different vibe. >> oh, yeah. the beard is gone. >> oh, it is! >> mercifully gone. >> can you get his instagram up? >> the saddest, most pathetic that i have seen. >> did he shave? >> yes. but as he was shaving -- >> no, before he shaved. >> he wrote something. he put up a hot picture of himself where he happens to look great. i don't know why it's frozen. >> we're going to get back to that. it says getting ready to say good-bye to the beard. it's sad. it hurts. >> i almost fired him. i'm serious. i just thought, you know what, he's got to go. don't you think? >> he does. >> if he does that again. t. >> it's over. all right. let's do some news. the white house is proposing a series of law enforcement reforms in response to the the unrest in ferguson, missouri.

president obama is asking for $263 million over three years for additional training of police officers and other resources. that includes $75 million to purchase up to 50,000 body cameras for police officers across the country. while president obama defended programs that provide them with military gear, he's promising to improve the relationship between minorities and law enforcement. ferguson showed us a problem not unique to ferguson or our time. and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color. in the two years i have remaining as president, i'm going to make sure that we follow through. not to solve every problem.

not to tear down every barrier of mistrust that may exist, but to make things better. and that's how progress is always made in this great country of ours. >> big meetings all day at the white house on this. what do you think? >> well, i think it's good. there is, when in the criminal justice system, there are two americas. ferguson that was laid bare by the fact that you have an overwhelming majority of white officers policing a community that's overwhelmingly black. and that creates distrust. it just does. and it should. i think also the president, the governor, all these people writing editorials about how they're so concerned about ferguson, i would like them to talk about what went wrong when small business owners, black small business owners working

their entire lives to build businesses had them torn down, burneded down to the ground. by hordes who engaged in destructive behavior that tore that community apart. a community that can't afford to have small businesses that are hanging on by a thread torn to the ground. and people's lives destroyed. >> yeah. >> i want to know why missouri didn't do more to protect black small business owners in that town. and i want the president to talk about that. i want people to talk about property rights as well of these small business owners that had them absolutely torn apart and violated by hordes of -- i think a lot of people probably from out of town. they wrpt even ferguson residents. the president is not focusing on

and other people are not focusing on. you focus on the two americas that i always say we have in a criminal justice system that treats young black men much worse than young white men. >> there's a lot to be learned in terms of the ovmilitarizatio. i also think in a community like ferguson, they have to recruit young people from the community at an early age and bring them into the police system. i mean, you can do community policing. but if you have people who live in the community policing, you have an unctioning and a relationship that is built into the instinct. >> you just have to do it. you have to have a connection. you have to have trust between the community and between law

enforcement officers or nothing else works. >> you do have to have a relationship. policing has to be done with a community, not to a community. >> right. >> and in many communities, in fact, there's a much better relationship than the one that we saw in ferguson. i certainly agree as to the property damage. you know, i wonder why and i'm sure you've asked this question before on the program but why weren't officers and the forces deployed in a somewhat different way to protect some of those small businesses? especially if you're going to announce it at 8:00 at night when it's dark. >> can you imagine how hangry the small business owners, probably mostly minority business owners are in ferguson that saw their government say don't worry. we're going to protect your

business. we're going to protect your property. like i said i thought there would be some indictment. by the middle of the day, said, there is not going to this be an indictment. it's coming. be calm. it's coming. by calm. why is the national guard lining up to make sure they're protected? >> and why did they seem more bent on containing the disturbances that they seemed to know were coming rather than protecting businesses you know, there's one other thing, too. in a community like ferguson and too many others around the country, there would be a lot more trust and a better relationship if we had a better idea about police shootings, about police use of deadly force across the country, which we actually know much less about

than you might imagine. like how many police shootings are there? >> and la lot of small business owners got explicit promises from state and local officials. we'll take care of your business. after august they said i'm not doing this again. and law enforcement told them their businesses would be protected and they weren't. this rams story got more interesting. conflicting accounts now whether a top official with the st. louis rams apologized for five players who made the hands up don't shoot gesture before sunday's game. the county police chief spoke with the director of operations. he said it was a heartfelt phone call with the official who regret regretted the gesture. the ram's official denies apologizing. he says in part in none of these conversations did i apologize for the players' actions. we do believe it's possible to

support the first amendment rights and to support the efforts o f local law enforcement. that's an executive vice president for football operations. the head coach says the five players will not be disciplined by the nfl or by the team. >> as far as the choice the players made, no, they're exercising their rights to free speech. they will not be disciplined by the club nor by the national football league as it was released today. i firmly believe it's important to keep sports and politics separate. i'm a head coach. i'm not a politician, activist or expert on societal issues. >> so willie, i don't understand. what am i looking at here? >> just a second. ch. >> i want to talk about the rams

first. so the nfl, don't they have a right to tell players not to wear socks and certain way and they control everything about them. zblcht whether or not you think the the rams players should be punished. if you're socks are not the right height, you get fined for it. they have all these crazy rules to keep the brand uniform, to keep everybody on message. >> but this is okay? >> but these players can suggest that the st. louis cops shoot black youth with their hands up in the air? that's cool to suggest that st. louis police officers the town probably a lot who go to the games and watch the games and are fans. the st. louis rams think it's cool for them to suggest they shoot young black men with their hands up in the air, when we know that that was a lie?

it's a lie. what was the gesture on capitol hill? a lot of people are going, it doesn't matter if it was the truth. what is wrong with this country? >> and these are elected officials. >> what is wrong with these people and these elected officials? they know it's a lie. they know the cops didn't shoot him with his hands in the air. they know it's a lie. >> congressman jeffries of new york did that on the floor. congressman green and congresswoman clarke of new york, making the hands up, don't shoot gesture on the floor of the house. >> that would really be moving if it were the truth. why don't they put flying saucers on top of their heads and say if only michael brown had not been transported up to venus. it's just horrible. when will aliens stop coming down and transporting people to

venus? this is an indication we can no longer stand for aliens. come on! it's not the truth. and you're suggesting that police officers are shooting people with their hands in the air when you know it's a lie. what's wrong with you? >> okay. bill cosby. >> unbelievable. and it's unbelievable the nfl won't do anything about this. yeah, good luck. good luck whatever. >> bill cosby is no longer a trustee at temple university. in the wake of a series of sexual assault allegations, the legendary comedian announce d he's stepping down from the board after 32 years.

his statement reads in part, i've always been proud of my association with temple university. i've always wanted to be in the best interest of the university and its students. as a result, i have tenderred my resignation. he's a high profile supporter of the university which he attended, but did not graduate. he's a frequent commencement speaker and the school offers a scholarship named after him and his wife. the former temple university employee is among the women accusing cosby of sexual assault. meanwhile, one in three ticketholders to cosby's show this weekend in a new york suburb have asked for refunds and offer cosby extended to any cosby ticket show holder. he has never been chargeded with any crime and has denied sexual assault allegations in the past. zblf jeanne r gene robinson, this is one of cosby's most treasured relationships. his name is synonymous with temple university.

he wears the sweatshirt wherever he goes. he asks you where you went to school and then starts talking about pem pl. thsz a big deal for him. should he leave it as he said and his representatives have said? these are not true. they've never been prove on the be true. and i've never been convicted of anything. >> well, as i've written, i think his silence has gone too far in the sense that he needs to deal with it. i understand why he resigned from the board of temple. he clearly cares about the institution. and he knows waps because of that association now. but look. he has been one of the most beloved people in american life for decades. and that's -- people have feel gds about that and feelings about what they've heard. i think they would love to hear

him address the allegations. >> what are your situations about bill cosby? a guy i would put with a handful of people over the the past 50 years that have actually moved dial on race relations in this country. how does that legacy? >> i remember when -- i remember when i spy first came on television. the whole family gathered around to watch every time it was on. it was the first time an african-american was in a leading role with a tv series. and he was a smart one of the pair and you know, well spoken. and it was a landmark moment. and then, of course, the cosby show. one of the great sitcoms ever that showed the black middle class, which had nonbe shown on

tv before. >> it was revolutionary. it was not good times. it was not the jeffersons. those were shows i liked and laughed at. it was like bill cosby saying, you know what, there are middle class families that don't have people going around saying inin dynamite. it was an eye opener for millions. it sounds student stupid, but it's a reality. our family in the deep south would listen to bill cosby records at the same time there was social unrest going outside. i mean, the guy was a trend setter. he bent culture. >> and a great comic. and you know, i spent an afternoon and evening with him a few months ago. we were doing a university benefit in my hometown and he's still got it. i mean, he's still able to spin

these wonderful funny yarns. he goes off to digressions. so you read these allegations and things about him. you don't want to believe them. but you do want to hear hem because it's a guy you thought you knew. you thought you knew well. and this other side is alleged and alleged and alleged to the point where you just -- you need to hear his voice. >> yeah. >> still ahead on "morning joe", u.s. senator from west virginia joe manchin. >> he's awesome. >> yeah. >> plus, for all your house of cards fans -- we have a first look at the hit show's new season. plus, joining a terrorist organization isn't all it's cracked up to be. >> yeah, who would have ever guessed that actually isis may not be a sunday stroll through

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wake up. >> all right. let's go to the papers. the the headline writers o f "the new york times" had fun with yesterday's supreme court case sigh saying the chief justice was sampling m&ms during questioning. >> those wacky kids over there. >> john roberts quoted lyrics for the song, asking why it's acceptable for them to say threatening things but not someone ems? this is part of a case concerning the limits of free speech on the internet. a pennsylvania man who said he was looking for a therapeutic outlet when he wrote on facebook explicitly about killing his ex-wife. >> this is from forbes. coca-cola, the world's largest soft drink company saying it's looking to enter the milk market. >> i love it. a brand of milk called fair life. it provides 50% more protein and

calcium and 30% less sugar than conventional health. >> these soft drink companies are working on bringing in other products under their umbrella that are healthy. pepsi has tons of really healthy -- they own quaker oats and coconut water and lots of different beverages that are health healthy. >> it would be like willy wonka. >> the "washington post" -- this is a good one, joe. a would-be jihadist from india found joining up with isis is not as glamorous as they made it seem. he spent six months largely cleaning toilets and fetching water. >> cleaning toilets for extremist fighters. that's probably not something that somebody would put in his

yearbook. most likely to clean toilets for extremist. >> he's an engineering student. . >> yes, he was recruited online. >> so you're saying he's punching below his weight cleaning toilets for extremist fighters. is that the lowest of the low. i'm trying to think of something worse. cleaning toilets for the worst people in the the world. what's worse than that? >> he's now back in india and in the custody of the country's counterterrorism authority. the guardian netflix with house of cards, starring of course, kevin spacey as now president frank underwood. i'm not really sure why so many people watch that. season three will be released in

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how much money do you have in here? >> about 220, $225,000. >> for real? >> yeah. >> he hasn't paid you anything back? >> no, he has not. >> oh my gosh. is there anything that i should know about him? be honest, that would drive me crazy that drives you crazy? >> i'm from the old school. so sometimes he thinks he knows it all. you have to straighten him out. when i was younger, i thought i knew it all, too. >> it's a terrible sign that anthony doesn't take advise from his father, especially since his father is his banker. i wonder how he'll take advice from an outside partner. >> a sneak peek at "the profit." it airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific times. let's talk politics of the day. joining us now, democratic senator from west virginia,

senator joe manchin. joe, great to have you on the show. >> good to be back, mika. how are you? >> pretty good. rapid fire here. let's cover a wide range of issues. we'll start with executive action and immigration battle. you weren't too much a fan of the president's executive action? no, the order i thought was smart. it was bipartisan. that was good. i thought basically he should have said i heard the election result loud and clear. the republicans will have a chance to repair and repassing this. this is my order to go into effect april 1, 2015. and i gave everybody a chance to look at it. >> i don't necessarily disagree. but we're here now. what do you think the president's options are as republicans are trying to figure out their next plan? they could pass a bill. they could also threaten to shut down the government. >> i don't think they're going to shut down the government. and i don't think thaey're goin

to pass a bill now either. i think basically what we have is what we have. >> it sounds like they have no choice, if that's what you think. >> well, basically i think that it would have been better for the president, after the resounding defeat that we were handed by the voters, to say listen, come back in. you got until march or april, 190 days, whatever. but we didn't get a chance to see the order until when he announced it. and i understand that. he's overstepped his boundaries. but we have to fix immigration and secure the the borders. and we had a good piece of legislation. i voted for it. the republicans voted for it. 68 votes. we had four republicans drafted. give him a chance to act on it now with a in u congress coming in. either the lame duck or the new congress in two or three months.

his order was well posteded. go on with it. >> senator, i want to talk about the president's announcement of what he's going on the hill. boosting accountability for local law enforcement. it's a four-part plan. one of the biggest parts of this is coming for the financial ask from congress, and it's $75 million over three years, subsidizing the purchase of 50,000 body cameras that local will wear. again, this is just one part of the four-part plan. >> and the bottom line, what happened in ferguson is horrific. no parent should ever have to bury one of their children. it's just horrible. so with all that being said, we are a nation of laws, the rule of law. tu best nation this in the world for that. every state and community has to

deal with law enforcement. give me a comparison to other areas of the country that are doing well, where there may be a disproportionate race ratios, to where they have integrated and are professionals and have worked with it. is there things being done we can look at as models, rather than saying we have to do everything that has to be driven from the federal government? and with that being said, cameras would have prevented us from being here today talking about that. it would have been clear what the facts were. >> are you hearing back from your constituency about similar problems and police departments in west virginia? >> not really? i think it's disproportionate among the country. even our state with the the least diversity among the state. in the largest city in charleston, west virginia, they're trying, they work with

it. and aye always said this. a police officer should be there as someone you can work with, you can talk with and is there to protect you. they're trained professionals. it shouldn't be the color of the skin or their nationality. it's really their training. when we have a breakdown such as ferguson, something went wrong. it basically happened long before michael brown was shot. how did it get to that point? why can't we intervene before it comes to that? why can't we have indicators that the professional police officers and their leadership is not integrated with the the community. >> senator manchin, i know you're going to stay with us for the next segment. did you go home for thanksgiving? >> i went to my daughter's home up in pennsylvania there.

both of my daughters and eight grandchildren. >> you look like you've lost weight, though. >> i do. i feel good. i've been walking a lot. >> is the boat out in the winter, too? >> oh, yeah. i'm on the boat all the time. >> he has a houseboat on the potomac. i swear. you are invited. the whole gang. >> can we do a show from the boat? >> well, that's my home. we could work something out. >> is that a no? >> that's under negotiations. >> we'll talk about that. i read about your bipartisan cocktail parties. i would like to be invited to one of those. >> we go out in the middle of the potomac so nobody can jump or swim. they have to talk. >> or you push them overboard. senator manchin, stay with us for the next segment. we're going to take you to north

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north dakota is ground zero for the nation's boom in energy independence. there's a lot of oil and coal in that ground, but it would be hard to notice some of those coal mines as one company in particular has figured out a way to return the land to nature. it is negative 17 degrees when the wind whips across the north dakota plains. but in towns like underwood. sub zero temperatures are no match with the passion for hunting. >> ended up in the lake. had to swim in to get it out. it was pretty cold.

[ laughter ] >> mike and john bring their sons with their bows and arrows to harvest deer here. but not long ago on this spot, they were harvesting something very different. the prairie rose uses this giant bucket to scoop away tons of dirt at a time, no matter what the temperature. what they're looking for is at least 80 feet below the earth's surface. acres of coal. giant dump trucks work 24 hours a day carting 8 million tons a year to heat homes as far away as minnesota. >> there's a lot of wind energy today. you can feel it. can't you? >> between coal and the oil field, natural gas, wind and hydro electric, north dakota is at the sender of the nation's energy boom. unemployment is less than 3% and the the growth is explosive. the president know what is people sometimes say about mining and what it may do to the mining and the environment.

that's why he loves showing off this. they work to transform the the land back again. >> god put this resource here for us to use. and we take pride in putting it back the way it was. >> this span of 700 acres was handed over to the government this summer. >> wow. that's an eagle. >> and wildlife. zblf i have two boys who like to hunt. to watch them get their first dee deer with a bow is the best thing to see. >> i have a sense of pride to create such a natch rat beauty that will be sustainable for generations to come. >> you know, that's the way to

do it. if you can bring nature back, that's awesome. joining us now, the president of the caterpillar foundation. caterpillar is the sponsor of our series and works closely with the mine company you saw hon that piece. let me start with you on the politics of this. it's a major campaign issue in kentucky and your state of west virginia. how important is coal in the push toward energy independence? >> well, it's always been the largest factor we have. coal has been a base load. that means at 24/7, you can country on your heat. you can count on your lights and everything to give you the tfrt from electricity. there's only two sources. coal and nuclear power that gives you 24/7 today. gas is coming on strong. and it will be once we get the pipeline done. but everything else is a compliment to that.

for the the next 30 or 40 years, the department of energy says we need a base load of coal. we can do it better if the the government will work with us and quit working against us. >> i just got a graphic up here in terms of coal mined by state. west virginia, how much of the economy is in coal or other forms of energy sources? >> well, you have direct and indirect as far as the economy. i would say we're more than 20, 25. a greater percentage of the economy. but it's the machine shops, the battery shops, the cable shops. it's the little diner. and it energizes the country, basically. this is a global problem. we keep looking at it as a north american climate problem. unless you believe the ocean currents and wind currents start and stop in north america, we better find a global fix. that will be through technology and that will be another industry. especially for west virginia and the united states of america. >> all right. so there we see the senator talking about a global fix.

let's talk about what we're seeing what caterpillar is going in north dakota, specifically in the piece we saw. a lot of people are going to see this. explain what they are doing? >> right, this story is a perfect example and so appropriate on a day like today where it's all about giving back. we just got done with black friday, cyber monday. >> ugh! >> it's time to take a breather. and personally reflect on how can we give back on a day like today? and we're encouraging and educating people on how to give back. it's not about giving money necessarily. what is your talent? your skill set, your passion, your compassion. a lot of us get together and for your community's sake start working in the communities with whatever is adventurous to you. think how the communities will

benefit. >> how have you galvanized caterpillar to do that and yourself? >> well, f caterpillar, it's inherent. we have a value as commitment. and it talks about we give back to the communities in which we serve. and so for us it's a daily piece. our employees are encouraged and do give back with their times and organizations in the community. both with their money in terms of united way. so for us, it's inherent and we encourage others to join us and give back to the communities, because at the end of the day, that's what it's about. what can we do for those less fortunate than what you can buy online or on black friday. it's a good thing. >> it's a good day and a good time. you're in business. but it's also a good time to remind that business is in partnership. there can be private and community relationships in

giving back and making sure that connective tissue st there. >> that's right. and that was a perfect example of a private ship working beautifully. >> well, you personally have an amazing story. there will be something online. it can't wait to share that with everybody. i'm waiting for my invitation. >> it's open. >> i don't think that's a buy-in on his part. we'll get the schedule. >> totally. >> is it constantly moving, senator? constantly on the move and we have to track you down. >> yeah, no. this is not going to happen. >> it will be stationary waiting for mika and joe and all the crew. >> there you go. morning joe. on the house vote, still ahead,

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