they will not be disciplined by the club or the national football league. >> the first meeting of a task with healing ferguson backfires. >> i did not receive a call to protect my assets and protect my life savings. >> we don't expect them to come up with a miracle. that's why we are here. to support you. don't waste our time. >> it is giving tuesday as msnbc and others challenge you to give this hol diseason. we will talk to the man who kicked off the wildly successful ice bucket challenge. what's next for him? >> and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. officials tell us that a new secretary of defense will likely be announced as early as tomorrow possibly. the leading contender is ashton

carter. this afternoon a number of possible replacements for chuck hagel took themselves out of running. joining me now, chef pentagon correspondent, jim miklaszewski and ruth marcus, columnist for "the washington post." first to you. the reporting is most likely barring anything unexpected, it is ashton carter. he was deputy secretary of defense. 50 years old. why didn't he get the job last time and why would he take it this time? >> he was passed over which chuck hagel got the job in 2013. at the time people thought he was disgruntled about the deal. he left the office of deputy secretary of defense. but now in the final two years of the obama administration, he is not only illogical, but a safe choice as the deputy secretary of defense was the

general manager of the pentagon and military. he managed out where all the money was supposed to be spent and that the trains ran on time. by all accounts he is widely respected among most of those here in the pentagon, hold overs from the panetta hagel era. it was a logical and a choice. the only drawback according to officials and he doesn't have much foreign policy experience. everybody said that ashton carter who they say is a hard worker, a very smart guy and a quick study and will have no problem taking on the issues. >> chris alyssa and ruth marcus, let's talk about why this job is so hard to fill. michelle flournoy, herself a top pentagon official took herself publicly out of contention. jack reed did as well.

a ranking democrat on armed services who is now going to be secondary to the republicans. you also have the fact that jay johnson was strongly considered. he would be hard to get confirmed. >> look. i think it's hard to find something for a lot of reasons. it's a two-year gig. you can get elected for time in perpetui perpetuity. to the senate, you probably think you were more likely to have influence in your current job than in another one. you have to be confirmed. that never has been a treat. you mentioned jay johnson's concerns. it's not going to be a treat in the next congress with republicans in control of the senate. and third, jim and you know a

lot more about this than me. this is not an easy job. there not simple solutions here. to ow america is defined in the world and what shouldn't be. there is active debate in the obama administration. there is a lot of reasons to understand why this is not a job that people are falling all over to get. >> let's talk about the challenges. you have a challenge in the army and they now have to be built up and clearly not up to the task. afghanistan, the taliban was taking territory rather than seating territory. what's happening in africa, there military challenges around the world to say nothing of what's happening in asia with

china over the south china sea. >> the list that the next secretary. that's the budgetary challenges. multiple headaches that you don't want to deal with. you have the challenge of the stress that that is placing on the pentagon at this time. that's icing on the cake of difficulty. >> in terms of confirmation, we have frank thorp the fifth tweeting out, he is our senate producer. he has not been notified, but said he would be confirmed. >> that has to be part of the consideration. if you remember back, one of the reasons that chuck hagel seemed

like a good pick at the time. he was a former republican senator. his confirmation hearing was not good and led to much of what came after. can this person get through is of critical importance. barack obama is not in a particularly strong place right now politically speaking. he can't have a confirmation fight that he might lose. doesn't seem like that would happen. >> jim miklaszewski is all over this and we will be hearing from you again on the subject. thank you very much. the action on capitol hill is focused with secretary jay johnson and his first showdown with republicans since the president took executive action. this as speaker boehner refuses administration request to fund the government until next fall deciding on a short-term government to fund the government until early next year. as the battle over immigration continues. >> we have homeland security

priorities that need to be funded now. for example, we are back in a presidential election cycle. i cannot hire new secret service agents until i get an appropriations bill. not another cr for a couple of months. >> i'm getting tired with the democrats and this righteous indignation saying that we can't find a congress we can work with. the first two years of the obama administration, the democrat his the house, the senate and the presidency and did nothing. i sat on the subcommittee. they brought stephen colbert in to testify. that's how bad it was. >> joining me now is kelly o'donnell. there was an image of jay johnson sitting, knowing he was going up there to be the designated purchasing bag and it was a classic moment. more drama and theater and substance. >> he knows well the contours of

the hot seat. there was discussion about everything from that sort of a heated moment and as well as things like the constitutionality of what the president has done and the latest numbers on detainees and number numbers of those boundaries and the new executive orders will provide in terms of things like social security benefits. if people are granted this worker status, pay into the system. they could draw social security or medicare because they would be paying into it. there was substance, but also politics woven through. there were heated moments. especially the passionate defense from democrats who say they believe in this order and support jay johnson and the president on the steps they are taking. it was definitely a hearing to watch. it is the first time congress is able to throw a counter purchase after the holiday break as well

as waiting to kind of see where house republicans are. the big question will deal with funding. there is nothing about what they will do. one plan is to fund many departments of the government except for homeland security to give a little more time for them to see what they could do to respond to the president. and these executive actions. the idea is it makes it harder to enforce any of these new steps. andrea? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. we are following breaking news out of detroit. power outages crippled parts of the city. the students are being let out early. the public lighting grid suffered a major cable failure and they are working to restore power as soon as possible. matt lauer sat down with ray rice about the domestic abuse that may have ended his career. they asked what most want to

know. why should people believe that this incident was the only time he used force against jenay. >> the one thing you learn is we were not a perfect relationship. we had arguments, but when you talk about abuse, that's something that we know that we never crossed that path. then did we say things to each other that we want to take back at times? yeah, we cross that line before, but never an altercation that went that far. that was just very uncharacter of myself. i take responsibility. that was very uncharacteristic. >> you know what people said about your wife, that she is a woman in denial or she is hanging on to ray rice because he is a football player and he has a big paycheck and fame. in many ways, they have been

diminishing jenay. how do you feel about that? >> i knew my wife before i had anything. she knows where i'm from. we both know where we came from. to be honest with you, she is very independent. my wife can survive in this world without me. she can survive in society without me. she could have had it on her. she sacrificed her well being for me. now the roles are reversed. i sacrifice for her. >> if you never play football again? >> if i never played football again, i would sacrifice more so she could have a better future. >> ray rice talking about how he has been changed by coupling with jenay and with their parents. this morning, minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson is squaring off in a hearing over his punishment for child abuse. peterson was suspended without pay for at least the remainder

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. as attorney general eric holder was visiting the landmark church in atlanta, they tried to explain plans by local police. he was interrupted by protesters, focusing on the shooting of michael brown. holder was unphased and kept reaching out to the crowd. >> what we saw was a genuine ex-pegs of concern and involvement.

>> a standing o for the attorney general. this followed a white house summit where president obama met with elected officials, sleuth leaders and law enforcement hoping to bring police together with the white house task force. >> there have been commissions with the task forces and conversations and nothing happens. what i tried to describe to people is why this time will be different. part of the reason this time will be different is because the president of the us is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different. >> now from st. louis with a member of the ferguson commission who was at that meeting at the white house yesterday. we talked last week. thanks so much for joining us again. do you think this time -- we are glad to see you. the white house was watching the interview last week. i know that the president gave

you a shout out yesterday. do you think this time will be different because of his involvement? >> i think this is what the president is doing is definitely a starting point of something. i think we will figure out as it starts rolling out if something is going to come out of it. i believe we need to get down to the meat of the problem and figure out how we hold the police accountable for their actions. i think the statistics and everything is out there. how they are making their money 20 and 40% off the back of ticketing young african-american men and women and continue to investigate themselves. we know that they definitely need an independent body of people who investigate all shootings. it's a start. the president is definitely starting somewhere, but we need

to figure out real change. real solutions on how to hold the police accountable for their actions. >> what did you hear yesterday from the president in that meeting? with mayor deblasio, that happened to be quite a vantage point for you. >> yeah. i definitely appreciate the president of the united states allowing me and other young protesters who have been part of this movement to be able to come and voice our concerns, what's going on on the ground and how we are being treated every day and sit in on the briefing with a lot of elected officials. ways that we can figure out and hopefully get down to the problem of why communities need to feel like that. the police don't represent them. i think like i said, that's a start of that.

that's not how we are going to get down to the actual problem of the police. we really need to figure out a way to hold them accountable for their actions and how do we make sure that the things they are doing are not going to be able to happen. just be able to walk away. >> do you think that training can be a big part of the answer? can people be trained to ignore their built in biases? can they learn new attitudes? >> the training and the body cameras, the training is something that is only going to help, but it's a culture thing. if it's in their head that they already have -- that they are not used to working with a group of people and it's already in their head that a group of people are demons, that is something a training will not be able to get out of their head.

if this is something they are used to and they grew up with. i don't think the training is a solution. it is also not the solution. it will be a start of something. body cameras is not able to get every visual and everything going on. the police is interactioning with the person they are interacting with. we need to get real solutions and trainings and body cameras. i don't think that will get us there. >> i hope thaw will come visit us again and keep us updated on the lack of progress as this very difficult situation seems as though there two completely different perspectives from those who support law enforcement no matter what they do and are deeply suspicious.

there doesn't seem to be a coming together. >> we in the community definitely understand and respect the job that law enforcement do, but there has to be mutual respect and law enforcement has to respect the ones that they are supposed to respect and serve. if they don't understand, how can they protect and serve us in the communities. we need to figure out ways to understand the community and in the community with no understanding. upon the community and it's not right. they need to be held accountable for the actions they do. there needs to be some type of trust within the people and the police need to start that. they are the ones who have the guns. >> we don't have the guns. >> good to talk to you again.

more note from st. louis. the coach of the rams said there will be no punishment for the five player who is took the field in the hands up don't shoot gesture. that angered the police union. >> this hands up don't shoot gesture represents the idea that our fellow officer darren wilson gunned down michael brown in cold blood and that's not what happened to us. it seems like rather than allowing wounds to heal, they are picking at the scabs. >> the st. louis county chief have spoken, but the two sides are at odds over whether it was an apology offers. the chiefs said they apologized for the five players and the rams official said the chief only interpreted it that way and there was no apology given. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. and ah, so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car,

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. officials in lebanon have detained a wife and a child of isis leader. the family members were picked up several days ago while crossing the border into lebanon. what could it mean for the u.s. battle against isis and the leader? the chief foreign correspondent joins me now from turkey. this is a little surprising. how hopeful is it that this could lead to either a trade or other information about his whereabouts? >> it is a potentially significant development. it happened nine days ago. we are just learn being it now, however. when the lebanese army came forward with the statement today saying that it had to detain this woman when who is an iraqi national. apparently one of three wives of

the isis leader and that she was traveling with a child, a young child. there is conflicting reports as to whether it was a boy or a girl. i have been told by an arab diplomat that the child is her child from a previous marriage and not likely the child of baghdady. it is interesting because she could have a wealth of information about baghdady and the inner leadership of isis and she herself has an interesting back story. if you remember in march, there were 13 syrian nuns from a town called malula. they were held boy an islamist group, not isis, but a closer link to al qaeda. these nuns were held by the militants and the syrian government badly wanted to get them out and negotiations brokered by qatar at the time

took place over several months and eventually these nuns were released by the group in exchange for 150 women. i have been told that she was one of these women. when you put it all together, you have a woman, baghdady's wife held by the syrians and released in a prisoner swap and after her release, she went and was reunited with baghdady and just nine days ago was picked up while trying to cross into lebanon. it is possible she has quite a bit of information. >> she could be part of another prisoner swap. >> potentially. or the lebanese could hold her to try and deter isis from carrying out attacks inside lebanon. she could be used to free iranian prisoners and hezbollah prisoners.

it's hard to know what will happen at this stage. we have been told she is being interrogated and trying to figure out what exactly she knows, if in fact she is still married to baghdady. did they divorce? was that the reason for her departure from syria and iraq to lebanon. these pieces are coming together. she has two very important possible contributions or value that she could be for u.s. intelligence or foreign intelligence. to swap for isis prisoners or just to find out what she knows. >> sounds like the plot lines from homeland. that's another whole story. one more thing. >> i was told they met online. they met online. >> and we know how active isis is online. the plot does thicken. thank you so much for being with us from turkey. and coming up next, back here,

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following breaking news out of detroit where classrooms have emptied because a big part of the city suffered a major outage. schools were let out early. one professor in detroit decided to try to teach. power has been restored at least in the main courthouse, but the building remains closed for the rest of the day. officials say the public lighting grid suffered major failure. they are working to restore power as soon as possible. >> president obama is going to the nih to congratulate a team of researchers and medical doctors for what looks like a major breakthrough on ebola. the completion of the first

round of trials on a promising vaccine. the president will be pushing congress for more money for the fight against ebola. the u.s. is ebola-free at the moment, but the diseases are ravaging west africa. now from the nih where he serves with allergy and infectious diseases. you are expecting the president and it is a day to celebrate. tell us about the achievement of the team at nih. >> we are trying very hard to get a vaccine which will be important to turn around this outbreak. what we have completed here at nih is the first of what we call a phase one trial of an ebola vaccine to ask a couple of questions. is it safe and does it induce the kind of response that you might predict would be protective? it was done in 20 normal volunteers right here and the trial was a success. very recently published in the

new england journal of medicine that showed it was safe. there were no prohibitive adverse events it. did induce that response that in the animal model was shown to be protective in the animals that. doesn't mean it will be protective in humans. that's the next stage. the first stage has been completed and that's what the president is going to do. he is coming here and will talk to us and give us a degree of congratulations for the success of it. to bring out that we have a long way to go, we need to develop a vaccine that is proven effective. that's the next step when we do the testing in the field in west africa. >> when you do this testing in the field, how long will it be before if things continue on this trajectory? you can say we got it. >> if it indeed turns out to be successful, we will likely start the trial somewhere in mid-january of 2015. if things go the way we are

going now, we hope by the middle of the year, midsummer, we will have enough data to determine whether it does or does not work. i say there is no guarantee it will, but the only way to find out is to test and hopefully we will know by the middle of the summer. >> if it work, what about mass production or distribution and how expensive might it be? >> very, very good question. we are certainly looking if indeed it does look to vaccinate large numbers of people. health care workers and people providing the care and people involved in the care of bodies and burial as well as people in that area in which there is significant incidence and prevalence of e bowl a. regarding the price, i can't comment on that because i don't know, but hopefully it will be in a range where people can get it distributed to the people who need it. >> do you have the budget right

now? the president is focusing on budget cut backs. >> the president is focusing on a proposal for a supplemental budget made for about $6.18 billion, including multiple agencies. i with my colleagues and others testified before the senate appropriations committee recently in defending that budget which we will need to do the kinds of things we need to do to get this epidemic under control. >> thank you so much. congratulations on what you have done so far and what you are going to do in the future. >> thank you very much. >> we appreciate it. >> black friday and cyber monday are over. now for something entirely different. giving tuesday. an effort to give back. a signature media sponsor of giving tuesday. we will be highlighting your stories of generosity all day. stay with us to find out about the next challenge for the cofounder of the als ice bucket challenge. first, we want to take you to

kentucky where more than half of the residents rely on food stamps. it's part of the invisible us series by alex wagner. >> i heard this story so many times. standing in line in a grocery store behind people with a food stamp card and they look in their basket as one individual said, i love crab legs. we haven't been able to have them in our house in who knows when? i'm standing behind a guy who has those in his basket. >> usually i get a box of macaroni and i get regular sandwich cheese and make my. >> sarah is a 28-year-old single mother of four who relies on food stamps to make ends meet. for sarah, there is no crab legs. there is not even kraft? >> you don't buy this? >> no. it's $1. >> even the basics are sometimes too much.

>> i don't use vegetable oil. i will get lard. >> is it cheaper some. >> i can get a tub of lard, five-gallon bucket is like $30 for the cheapest. >> my friend is host of now. joins me with more on the special series. it's stunning that people in washington, people in congress have no idea. i have been covering this since the days when ronald reagan talked about welfare moms. where did the myth come from that people of cheating? >> our friend chris matthews, fraud is a concept and in any huge government program there going to be incidents of it, but when it comes to food stamps and snap, fraud accounts were less than 1% of the entire program. while there instances like they point out that a person here and there may be taking advantage, the vast majority of the people

need it for their children and ellerly people who they live with or the disabled. that is 75% of households on food stamps have either an older person, a child, or a disabled person in that house. those are the people on food stamps. what we learned is that this program is the difference between children having supper or going hungry. >> sarah who you were interviewing works 20 hours a week in a community program and trying to go to school to help her family. you have so many people who are single moms and elderly all dependent upon a program that proved itself over generations. >> it's foundational to who we are as a country. going grocery shopping with sarah, the choices she is making are not between $5 and $10 products. it's nickels and pennies. it's the $1 macaroni and cheese or sandwich cheese and macaroni because that's cheaper in the

long run. to most people these are pieces of change you might leave on your set of drawers at night and they are the difference between her kids having dinner or not. >> alex wagner, thank you so much. watch more of her special series, invisible us today and tomorrow here on msnbc. join us this afternoon starting at 5:00 eastern for a twitter chat about her series. plus, giving tuesday. what happens after the ice bucket challenge. much more on that ahead. first, tonight marks a milestone on nbc nightly news. it has been a full decade since tom bra bocaw to brian williams. our congratulations to brian and here's a quick look back at some of the highlights. >> as we continue a great tradition starting tonight. >> this is an absolute disaster.

>> what do you need the most? this sign is part of the old funtown here. >> i worked for the national security agency under cover, overseas. >> i got this guitar and i'm learning how to make it talk. >> that is how we slow jam the news. >> oh, yeah. >> i'm brian williams reporting for new york. good night.

>> we have more on giving tuesday as msnbc takes part in the global day to get back. we are focusing on an organization that engaged millions of us to contribute $115 million to als research with the ice bucket challenge. pat quinn was diagnosed with als and known as lou gehrig's disease and he is cofounder of the ice bucket challenge and joins me now from new york. good to meet you and thank you

very much for being with us. how did you and your friends come up with it? it was brilliant and we know how viral it went. >> we were lucky. we picked up on a family doing it. i believe a golfer did in florida for his cousin. their family is local to my home in yonkers. when we picked up on it, it was diagnosed march 2013. we have been active in the community and once we got ahold of it, the next 48 hours of facebook and social media was crazy. >> you were in your 30s or 20s? how has the disease progressed? >> in regards to als, it's a slow progression, but my arms have gotten very weak.

i cake nothing for granted. as long as i can be a voice for als, i will be as active as i can. >> in reading about your background, you went to iona prep and college right across the street from my high school. >> yep. >> you know the area well. we were football rivals, i should point out. our teams back in the day. what can we look forward to. how do you beat the ice bucket challenge? >> i don't know if it's possible, but you have to try. nothing changed in als since lou gehrig gave his speech. there was a major success, but we have to find a way to build on the momentum in a way.

i was reached out to by crowd rise.com and given an opportunity on giving tuesday and i worked with the als association and try to build on the momentum that we created over the summer. it may not be possible, but you have to do everything you can. >> as we try to raise awareness in the research in particular, this disease needs research money. like all other diseases, but this in particular has not had the attention. given how long ago lou gehrig made that declaration in 1939, it's amazing that there hasn't been more progress. >> it's a tough situation. it's a disease they really believe not a lot of people know about. i was just as bad as anyone before i was diagnosed. i had no knowledge. i knew lou gehrig had it and it was bad. when you get down to the details of how daily activity gets tough

and from my individual case, i'm losing the ability to use my arms. daily activity is difficult. getting dressed and getting clean. it's a tough situation and you have to stay positive and just hope for the best. it could be a difference maker. >> we really hope for the best and thank you for everything you are doing and for the courage with which you are facing this challenge. we want to hear from all of you. show pat quinn the ways in which you are getting. show them on msnbc and to see photos visit giving tuesday.msnbc.com. >> to mark aids day, it was supposed to be headlined by u2,

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