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. cycling right now, vows for change from washington to ferguson and beyond today. good afternoon. i'm krystal ball. eric holder has offered new guidelines for community policing specifically addressing racial profiling. get on a firsthand look last night at just how high emotions are running. >> i cannot begin to understand -- [ heckling ] >> what we saw there was a genuine expression of concern and involve pment involvement. >> we have heard these calls for
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change before, but now how best to bridge. let's dig into this with malika and at the table in new york, we're lucky to have dr. maria haberfeld, law forever at jon jay college. welcome to both you. >> thank you. >> i want to started with you, malik, on something the president decided not to do, which is make major changes to the program where local police departments are supplied with military style equipment. i wondered if you could make the case for why local police departments might need that type of weaponry. has there been a specific situation where it's been used and been required? >> what i can tell you, day in and day out, police departments use armored vehicles in barricade person situation or very hazardous situations in order to protect the lives of those officers who are answering
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those calls. i use a very specific example. around 1997 there was a shootout in los angeles and the police didn't even have weaponry. it said, why don't police have the right type of weapons? let's arm them with the right type of womens. then that came. now 2014 you say, wait a minute, they have too many weapons. what are they doing? maybe it's a fine balance between the two but i can tell you from being a former commander of special operations that if it comes numerous occasions where you need to protect your officers because i don't want an officer seriously injured or, you know, something worse when i have equipment at my hands to actually save him. it's not a matter of what we have, but how do you deploy it. how do you deploy the resources properly? >> that's a policy question. the factual question has overhung the entire issue here, which is what happened between wilson and mike brown, and in
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some sense we'll never know factually. the body camera comes out, if you had a video, you would know a lot more. you look at the data on this and the most interesting thing is, it's not cops versus citizens. you see over 1,000 police departments already do use body cameras. and in you get a 60% drop in use of force. that's good for citizens. also an even larger 88% drop in citizen complaints which officers have said means the cameras basically disincentivize false or frivolous complaints. >> yes and no. i think it's hard to look just at the numbers and make sense at the numbers because as we're seeing now in ferguson, sometimes the one event we're focusing on that colors our opinions and how we feel about policing. so, when you're saying 60% drop in complaints or 88% drop in
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interactio interactions, false complaints, you still have 18% or 14%, depending on which number you're looking, that people will be unhappy. so, no matter how much technology you're going to use -- >> well, arguing that's a step forward. >> it's a step forward but it's not necessarily the panacea, so to speak. in 1960s a scholar by the name of berkeley said policing is hard on democracy. it's hard to see what police are doing in a democratic society using force. and 40, 50 years later i'm saying it's not just that policing is hard on policing. i think democracy is hard to policing. >> that's fair to say policing is hard on democracy. also it's hard for human beings to be in charge of policing. others say just the act of policing makes you colder to other human beings because you constantly see women at their worst moments of the life. people say the core problem here is implicit bias, how cops black and white have negative opinions
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of black people in black communities. how do police officers, black and white, change their relationship to black communities which so much of the problem is subconscious bias against people in these communities? >> you said a mouthful there. that takes so many variables involved in that. just the basic understanding of each other's culture will help us maintain proper relationships in the future. i don't think implicit bias happens across the spectrum to everyone. it just depends upon the degree -- the culture you come from to how it will impact your policing type. most departments need to offer up better sensitive training, diversity training and officers who suffer from the psychological factors of stress every single day by policing some of the neighborhoods and most of the encounters are negative by their very nature. if you get caught up in that,
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vicious cycle of necktivety and you don't find yourself reaching out, getting counseling, talking to people, you'll find your type of policing will not be beneficial to the police department and the citizens you serve. >> yeah. doctor, what does an ideal situation then look like? when we talk about community policing, when you look across the nation, is there a city, a place, you can point to and say, they're getting the right balance. that's the place we should try to emulate. >> some places they're getting the right balance, but the balance is based on what i refer to as the pentagon of ethical policing, police leadership. it's about who do you recruit? who who do you select. how do you train them, how do you supervise them and discipline them. one of the departments i've been doing research at is charlotte, north carolina. not that they're without problems because you cannot find a department without problems. but they are a department that is looking at five prongs in a
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very serious way. so relying, again, addressing one issue, like the body camera, like retraining police officers in sensitivity, it's not enough. because if you have the wrong people recruited to the organization, no matter how many cameras, no matter how much training, you won't achieve what you want to achieve. it's a complex and interrated problem that needs to be addressed from the angles. allocating resources and millions of dollars to purchasing cameras is really not going to solve anything. and we know for many, many problems what the problem is. not just communities of color but communities of the have not, so to speak. whether it's from the economic standpoint or another standpoint that creates an environment in which people are perceived as sort less valuable and less
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important to the society for whatever reason. and this is an issue we know about for decades. not going to be solved with additional cameras or additional training. >> i want to ask malik if you agree with that. seems like plenty of money is spent on the guns, on the jails. we've covered all of that. i'm a little surprised there's much resistance to spending a comparatively small sum on cameras so we know what's going down. >> i think the cameras are beneficial. it won't solve all of our problems but it will solve some of them. studies have shown, testing areas for many police departments, that complaints have went down. and all we're looking for is a slight hesitation on some actions or to know that you're being videotaped or you're videotaping your own incident or event. that means if a police officer has one more second to think, then he can do some things right. i think cameras have been beneficial. i think they will be beneficial. now, do i think they'll solve
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all of the problems? not in the context. but in the studies and textst testing areas they have worked and officers coming on now, carrying them around, they won't leave a division, a precinct without them because it's helping that much when they viewed tz a negative experience before. they're viewing it as a positive experience. so, we need those type of things and this new technological age. we need takesers. we need less than lethal weapons. we need those things that can help protect us and help protect us from complaints. if officer wilson may have had a camera, this circumstance may have been different and you wouldn't be talking to me now. >> certainly seems like at least one step in the right direction. thank you both so much. really appreciate it. up next, boehner talks shutdown. dems talk damage control. and jeb is talking 2016. art feinman is here for a politics round-up. and then an nbc exclusive ray rice interview. why he told our own matt lauer he deserves a second chance. and later the real life
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this election, they won it but it wasn't a validation of their proposals. it was a rejection of some of the things that haven't been happening in washington with the democrats and the president taking the greater brunt of the blame. we have to start getting some things done here. >> the repudiation of the democrats is one widespread
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reading of what happened in the election, but according to a new poll, post-repudiation republicans have no mandate and an abundance of power and no clear sense of how they should use that power. do they want to to govern or obstruct or do they to want do a mixture of both? let's ask john boehner. >> frankly, we have limited options and limited abilities to deal with it directly. but that's why we're continuing to talk to our members. we have not made decisions about how we're going to proceed, but we are, in fact, going to proceed. >> is the shutdown off the table, sir? is it off the table? so it's on the table? >> glad we made that clear. mitch mcconnell again promised no more shutdowns but he didn't have much to tail about how he's planning to curtail a caucus, which made the president very popular suddenly with hispanics. a new gallup poll shows president obama's approval
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rating up ten points to 68% among latinos. that's like big, bear-loving hugs. >> i love that intro. >> major howard. >> reach out to you right now. >> i feel, i feel, i feel the reach out. i see republicans fight immigration and other things by proposing legislation which they know will not get through the senate. using the legislative process as a way of burnishing a future campaign rather than looking to actually govern. >> either burnishing it or destroying it. as that number for hispanic support for the president shows, there's a big risk for republicans in this. i thought it was very interesting that john boehner said that he would consult with his own members about what to do next. because that's what this is all about.
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it's about internal republican politics, not about reaching a deal with the democrats. don't forget as speaker, john boehner declined time after time after time to bring up for a vote the senate-passed bill on immigration reform, which is sweeping and which not everybody likes. there's something for everyone to dislike. if he really wanted to do something, he would at least bring that up for a vote. but he refuses to do that because he knows it might pass. so, what they're doing instead is trying to balance what's left of the establishment ring of the republican party, which is symbolized by boehner and mcconnell, and what i call the cruz control faction, which is -- >> that's a play on word, that's what that is. >> nothing plays on words. let's bring the whole thing down because we have an unconstitutional president. that's what's going on right now. >> let's take the other side of the aisle, democrats through their own version of autopsy, post midterm losses.
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charlie cook is writing that one of the things highlighted by their loss, what charlie cook says is there are many reasons for this decline in support for democrats among certain groups. an argument can be made because democrats have subordinated their traditional focus on helping lower and working class americans move up the economic ladder in favor of other noble priorities such as health care, the environment and civil rights. now, personally i think you could do all of those things but i agree with charlie cook here that democrats haven't done enough to focus on the economic side of their argument. >> it's interesting. i think in the visual you just showed there, you have senator chuck schumer in the background. senator schumer himself, a staunch democrat, gave a speech the other day basically wondering out loud if it was time to extend medicare and other things under obamacare. he said, did democrats kind of waste their ammunition on obamacare as opposed to middle
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class -- you know, things that are more definably middle class and jobs oriented. i think this is cultural to some extent. if you look at the recent history of the democratic party, bill clinton is the guy who figured out a way to lure some working class whites back into the democratic coalition in two terms as president. president obama has a slightly different mix that he's used. he's used dramatic, and i mean dramatic turnout among minorities, african-americans and hispanics to make up for the fact that he's lost some white middle class voters there. the fact is that a lot of the kinds of jobs those voters had, those white middle class voters had, were under pressure if they haven't disappeared all together. and i think that's a focus the president has tried to talk about through green jobs and some energy development, so on. he doesn't quite get the music of that and he never really has. >> interesting. let's talk about the republican party and, howard, potentially
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another bush presidency. i've been skeptical of jeb running up until yesterday when he spoke to a group of ceos. made it pretty clear that he's thinking very, very seriously about a run. he laid out a strategy not necessarily for himself but the right strategy for republican if they want to win the general election. here's what he said. he said, i don't know if i'd be a good candidate or a bad one, but i kind of know how a republican can win. whether it's me or someone else, a winning candidate has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be practical. the candidate should also be willing to lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles, a strategy, hourtd, i agree with and one i know some people, about three years ago, tried to do. question to you, has the party evolved enough? has enough time passed for this strategy to be effective? >> i was there covering the campaign of the unmentioned candidate you're talking about, that is your dad. >> now he's mentioned.
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>> it didn't work in iowa. i mean, it didn't work then. the question is whether the republicans' mood has changed at the grassroots. i have to tell you n places like what washgs new hampshire, south carolina and elsewhere, the fire and the energy is not in that direction. there's a tremendous amount of anger and dissatisfaction and fear in a place like iowa. you start talking about accommodation on immigration and the republican caucuses and you'll get blown out. i think what jeb bush is saying here, you know, he's setting up a scenario whereby if he either doesn't enter in some of those primaries or lose in those primaries, he'll call it a badge of courage and endorsement and a reverse endorsement. i think that's prespin by jeb bush to explain why he's not going to do well in these early primary caucuses. i've thought for a long time he was going to run. he's been below radar for years
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doing all kinds of political favors and fund-raisers without getting any attention. he couldn't have had any other reason but to keep his options open for running. and i think he's close. >> we also to want get your views on nonpolitics but some important changes over in the administration potentially with andrea mitchell reporting that one of the names we keep hearing about, ashton carter, as potential replacement to chuck hagel. your thoughts on that idea. >> ashton carter is the ultimate inside, brilliant defense player and analyst. he's as much inside the pentagon as chuck hagel really was, ironically, even though he had been a soldier in world war ii, outside the pentagon. ashton carter is a rhodes scholar, a physicist. his expertise was missile defense and so forth, but he's long ago learned the inside game at the pentagon it's worthy to be nominated.
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this could cement the control of white house insiders like the chief of staff and susan rice and others, they would be fully in control of the pentagon in a way that they didn't think chuck hagel had the chops to carry out. >> did he used to be married to demi moore? >> no, sorry. >> different guy. >> entirely different guy. >> and when you -- when you google him, you still get ashton kaert, but you get ashton kutcher first. if this is announced, ashton carter will race to the top. >> have we mentioned we love having howard on the show? >> once or twice. >> thank you, howard. >> up next, is it time to forgive ray rice and move on? he was hard to tackle on the field, but we'll tackle that question next.
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adrian peterson in new york this afternoon, fighting his indefinite suspension from the league that was handed down after it learned he dispalestiniandismriciplined his 4-year-old son by hitting him with a switch. they believe the suspension should be lifted because that was already done by ray rice, who was caught on video punching and dragging his then-fiancee, janay rice. they have been speaking this week to matt lauer. >> what my counselor did was rip me apart and build me back together. i say that in a sense -- >> did you resist it? >> i couldn't. i couldn't resist it. that was the thing. i was able to let somebody else in and literally tear me down. and i wasn't resisting. it was just so much you didn't know about yourself. you grow up and you think you know it all. i had a ceiling over my head.
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i was a professional athlete. that ceiling sometimes -- you put yourself in a place where you don't really understand where you're going, but somebody else tells you that, that's not -- that's not reality. >> three months after the first video showing what happened outside the elevator was released, ray and janay held a press conference that actually stoked the controversy even more. >> we didn't see a ton of anger on janay's face. we also heard her apologize. at that press conference we didn't hear you apologize to her. and that upset a lot of people. do you understand that? >> yes. i definitely understand that. the reason why that press conference was the way it was, because we were still under legal situations. so, there wasn't much that could be said, but i'll be honest, we were nervous. i was was in. that was the first time we were available to speak.
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i made a horrendous mistake not apologizing to my pif. we were going in, we were given what to speak about. it wasn't truly coming from us, if you can understand, but i made that clear the last time i was able to speak that my wife is an angel. she can do no wrong. i take full responsibility for my actions. >> in hindsight did it bother you to hear her apologize? >> in hindsight, i think she was doing it because she -- because she knows what kind of -- she knows what i do for a living. she understood my job and my profession. i think it was her doing this to try to take light off the situation. >> to protect you. >> yeah. and i appreciated it, but that's not -- that's not what the big deal is. the big deal is for me to always protect her. that's why i say, i take full responsibility. she can do no wrong. this is something as a man, have you to own and, you know, we're
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hardly sorry. i'm hartley sorry for everything that i have to put my family through. have i to live every day, go take my daughter to school. she's going to grow up. and the way to ending that, she's going to google her father's name and the first thing that's going to come up is -- we know what's going to come up. >> not something from the field. >> that's -- that's the reality of it. that's what i'm more worried about fixing, because i want my wife, my daughter, my family to -- we all just want to gravitate -- we all want our lives back. i realize football is one thing, but now i realize that the amount of people we've affected, the amount of families we've affected, that, you know, domestic violence is a real issue in society. we can take one bad night, it just happened to be on video, but we are truly sorry to the
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people that's really going through it. you know, it's a real problem. >> and that interview has us asking here, is it time to forgive ray rice? >> i'm not forgiving. i'm not going to forget. but i don't think it's very american to say you should not get a second chance in life. i would like to have seen him legally punished for what he did. but he has been significantly punished. he lost millions of dollars during his prime earning years. he'll never get back that year of making a million or so dollars during that year. that will never come back to him. ultimately, the question is not a moral one. the nfl is a business. if someone can help out your business, your team, you'll pick them up. i imagine we'll see probably next year some team will certainly pick him up. maybe the colts. >> should it be a moral one, though? it may be the reality that it's not a moral question, but should ethical matters way on those business decisions that are made in the nfl?
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>> should they -- yes, absolutely. but do they? an espn reporter i was talking to last night who said to me, injury creates demand. if a team that's on that playoff bubble just in, fighting to get a little further loses a running back, he goes down to injury, they're going to pick up ray rice. and the fans will accept him. so, if the fans aren't willing to punish him and his wife is standing behind him, then how are the rest of us to say, oh, he shouldn't. >> that's not right. there's a moral dimension to the outrage that has a financial instrument which is the advertisers and others saying, at least for some period of time, this is radioactive. i think you're correct that over the long haul, that fades. the half life of that is far too short. but there is something to krystal's question. advertisers say we have a broad-based audience, fans and nonfans, and a lot of them are disgusted by this and say, we
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don't want any part of it. to the question whether he was punished, i wouldn't describe what is happening as a punishment at this point. i would describe it as a business consequence. he's a sportsman, an athlete, an entertainer. and his life and his brand, if you want to call it that, are such that he's not as profitable as he used to be. that's just business. he knew that going in. you watch the video, your heart can go out to this family, but we have a larger legal problem in this country that we, as we've discussed on this show, we punish misdemeanor drug offenses than a grown man beating up on a woman or young woman or girl. i mean, this is out of bounds, unacceptable. i lot of people are watching saying, if there isn't bigger punishment, then maybe he doesn't deserve a second chance yet. i would say yes to a second chance after he does some time. >> i didn't realize he had a daughter. that video is going to live on forever. i feel really sorry for her.
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here's what i will say. janay rice has made him look the best he could possibly look in this situation. i don't know what goes on behind closed doors. i don't think any of us are in a position to judge another relationship. she does appear very strong. she appears as if she loves him, that they will move forward. i'm with you, toure, i like to believer people can change. i'm very optimistic. i hope they can move on and have a healthy relationship. this is much broader than that. this is about the nfl. i think any other industry out there, if this had happened to any of us or, let's say, someone at starbucks and this became public, you would be fired. you would be fired for this video, for abusing someone. and in the nfl, that doesn't happen. >> i've been turning this over in my mind about how i feel whether he deserves forgiveness or whether or not we know if he's earned forgiveness, but ultimately we don't know if he deserves or earns forgiveness except we have a national belief in second chances. and i think the reason, ari, you
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put your finger on, that i'm having such a hard time letting myself and him and everybody move on is the fact that the syst systems so failed. both the criminal justice system and the nfl. there is no sense of closure here. there's no sense of, he did his time. we're going to move on. we are going to move on because up next on this giving tuesday, our friends at cnbc describe how to pick a charity where your money counts. and a selfie of abby and i hope gets you snapping your own. we cycle on.
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fear passionately about. but how to pick a charity in the first place? cnbc senior personal finance correspondent sharon epperson joins us with the charity checklist. >> once you find a charity that you believe in, it's important to go out and volunteer your time or go in person to see the programming in action. check out the company's website as well as independent reviews and evaluations to see if it's a charity you want to make a contribution to. you also want to make sure it's legitimate, reputible, you can go to the irs website, irs.gov, reviewing its form 990. you can also find that information on websites like guide star, charity navigator and charity watch. that can help you determine how your donation's going to be used and give you an idea of the financial health and the budget of the charity. keep in mind, a typical charity spends about 75% of its budget on programs. you want to look for nonprofits
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that hit or come close to that benchmark. if you want to assess the impact of the charity's work, givewell.org does a lot of in-depth research on programs they think have had the most impact on people's lives. then it suggests just a handful of charities it finds are the best at delivering these programs. they also give a handy tool with questions you can ask a question to evaluate if it's really doing good and has an impact that can be measured. you may not have time to do all of that research and you may not be able to decide which charity you want to choose on giving tuesday, but can you still make a tax deductible charitable contribution to a donor fund, you can contribute to the fund as often as you want and then recommend grants to your favorite charity when you're ready. there are a number of investment firms, vanguard, charles schwab, fidelity. it's another great way to give. >> sharon epperson, thank you so much. on this giving tuesday, we're highlighting a charity
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with a mission close to my heart, fighting cancer. for december 2nd, stand up to cancer wants to you show off your most giving side and then share it. make a donation in any domination of two, for december 2nd and post an up-selfie on unselfish. tag the shot #unselfie and tell us why you support up to cancer. krystal and i did this morning. money goes directly to treatment for new cancer patients. joining us to tell us more about it, pamela, a member of council for stand up to cancer. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having us on the program today to talk about stand up and giving tuesday. >> tell us all about it. as i was saying earlier, oftentimes you don't know exactly where your money is going. where does the money go directly to and how do you do it? >> that's one of the exciting things about standard up to cancer because 100% of all moneys received from the general
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public go directly to translational cancer research. we made a real goal at the beginning of stand up to cancer that we would tell people where their money is going and what the research is doing. so, every six months we have progress reports from our 13 dream teams and our innovative research grants because we want you to know where that money is going so that you can feel really confident in giving to stand up to cancer. >> you guys are doing the social media thing, the unselfie, abby, i think you were calling it a givy, is that -- >> no, no. unselfie. >> unselfie. >> anything to capture the fact that selfies are annoying because they're selfish, and you guys are trying to get this conversation going and get people thinking hourly. tell us about how you thought of that and whether it's working. >> a lot of organizations are pushing the unselfie campaign this giving tuesday because it is really wonderful to be
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demand an answer to the cancer epidemic and to really give money to support translational research that will get to patients faster. patients don't have 10, 20 years to wait. we're aggressively going after cancer. >> every single person has been affected by cancer. i encourage everyone to take an unselfie and donate. up next, the 1100-mile hike that inspired hollywood's newest bio pic. >> my mother used to say something that used to drive me nuts. there's a sunrise and sunset every day. you can choose to be there for it. you can put yourself in the way of beauty. >> best selling author sheryl straya joins us to talk about her journey through the wild.
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when i'm done, i'll only have two dimes to my name. but i'll have to start living. >> "wild" opens tomorrow in new york and l.a. and select city this is friday. we're very pleased to have the inspiration of the film and author cheryl strayed. you were involved in the making of this film and also very involved in what the film is about. what was it like turning this personal journey into a movie? >> it was almost as scary as the hike itself because obviously i poured everything into it. i was in control of the book. when i handed it over to reese witherspoon and shawn mark val lay who directed it i was trusting other artists to tell my story. >> reese gets involved with you very early. this is a dream story for a writer. you send it to her on a
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thursday? she replies -- >> on monday. >> for the rest of your life people will say, reese witherspoon played her in the movie. tell us what it was like working with reese. >> it was extraordinary. when she called me that monday morning and we had this long conversation, what i wanted to know from her is why she wanted to bring this book to screen. what rang true to her as a human? she was very open to me, very passionate by-b why she was the person to play me in the movie. she said to me, i pledge to you i will protect you and honor your story. she's done that beautifully in the film. >> sounds like you are interviewing her for the right to do your movie, rather than the other way around. >> you know i was. i actually was. i wouldn't have just handed over my book to anyone. i sent it to reese because i thought she was an extraordinary actress, i sensed her authenticity behind her roles
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but i wasn't going to say yes to her until i heard something real. >> she was playing your life. >> that's right. >> you said you were very involved in all of the making of this film. there had to be times that were emotional for there had to be tough, emotional times to relive. >> there were. my daughter, bobby, who is nine years old, plays me in the movie, the young me, reese witherspoon plays the grown up me. there's a scene where my daughter runs into lauren's arm and they embraced. everyone wept because it was my daughter meeting the grandmother she would never know, in the beautiful laura dern. >> talk about your trail, i connect with the restoring of nature and the fact that it can
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really be a rehabilitation for people. talk about the actual experience on the trail. >> it was really important. i went into the wilderness because i knew it was the place i felt most gathered, most in touch with. not my solitude. even though i was out there alone. in the ways we are connected to each other and all living things. i had a deep sense of peace. >> when you are watching yourself on the screen in the theater, what is the feeling there? >> it is as surreal as you can imagine. i will never not be surprised by that. when i watch reese witherspoon say i'm cheryl strayed, i'm like, no you can't be, i am. it's an is extraordinary
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experience. >> do you hope other addicts will watch this. >> the thing about the book, when i write about my grief, anyone who lost someone sees themselves. anyone who struggled with drugs, sex, or loss, just the stuff of life, it rings a bell inside of them. that's of course what i hope to do. that's the mission of literature to build that bridge between the writer and the reader. >> the other thing i like is the notion of escape. some go out hiking or out in nature. >> you look like you belong out in nature right now. >> thank you for putting up with us. very excited about your movie. >> thank you so much. it was a delight to be here. >> now things can get four or
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is with republican leadership once again to tampap down threats much attention has gone to the chasm of divide between the governoring and the replace down wings of the gop. republicans are not the only one for deep divisions, the battle for democrat party is started and the stakes are high.
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right now democrats are going through their own version of an autopsy to make sense of their midterm loss and chart a better course for the future. >> when democrats do stand for something, or as i have said in the past, grow a back bone and stand up for what we believe, we win. >> and on the other, you have the post-clinton democratic status quo, those folks the ends justify the mean to cow taoing to money interest. sadly most of the elected members of the democratic party appear to belong to this latter group. a new battle may show where everyone stands. you may never have heard of the treasury under secretary of domestic finance, but the fight who will hold that job next holds mythor implications for the next democrats party.
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senator elizabeth doesn't care about this president's pick. saying this. >> warren goes on to point out that the president's choice, antonio weiss helped burger king dodge u.s. taxes in a high profile instance called corporate tax inversion. and here's what president obama had to say about such corporate tax inversions. >> my attitude is, i don't care if it is legal, it's wrong. i'm not interested in punishing them other than for pate re reotism. >> -- this battle matters. it matters because with congress not doing anything, the only
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folks with any real power are the ones writing and impleme implementing the rules, folks like treasure under secretary for finance, it also matters because while elizabeth warren are saying enough is enough, how many are willing to join her? democrats happy to ready to out warren when they thought her appeal could help their campaign and then elevated her with a senate leadership post as a policy liaison but will the party stand by her when she starts making the people of power uncomfortable will they back her principals with action or rather than political pats on the head and will democrats base allow slides, now that middle equality is top of mind. we're about to find out. so stay tuned. that does it for the cycle. "now" with alex wagner starts now. >> vent about immigration and avert a shutout.
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can republicans take off a two-item to do list. >> the american people want to the see border security. they want to the see deportations. >> immigration show down. >> republicans questioning secretary johnson towed. >> the intejs of congress is clear, they can be deportable. >> the congress has not given me resources to report 11 million people. >> there's a right way to do this and a wrong way. the president has taken the wrong way. >> enforce the laws already on bookts. >> why haven't we voted on a bill. >> this is a serious breach of the constitution. >> can the president do what he has done. >> what we need to do is stop the process. >> there's the possibility of a lawsuit against the