that is all in for this evening. >> thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. in the midst of all sorts of very suspenseful news today, will there be a government shutdown? what's going to happen to the legal case in ferguson? we'll talk about all of those stories this next hour. every four years, there's at least one. this year, in case you were wondering, it's rob portman who is not going to be running for president. honestly, if that headline were

not there, would you know who this was? rob portman crushes the hopes of millions. even in the right wing blogs, they mean that sarcastically. he is a senator from ohio, in case you were wondering. rand paul made an official announcement that he is going to run for the united states senate. the reason that one is of interest is that there's a law in kentucky that says rand paul cannot legally run for re-election to the senate in 2016 and also for the president

in 2016. kentucky would have to change its state laws. his announcement today is of interest and that is going to turn out to be a really interesting fight from a couple different angles. there's also news today that sort of obliquely gets to who's going to be the next president. that is news today out of texas. rick perry has been governor since 2000. since the previous governor of that state left texas to become our nation's 43rd president.

just as it is clear now, he is definitely going to try to run for president in 2016. it was also clear in the twilight days that he was going to make a run for president and he was pretty clear about it. one of the issues, one of the things about texas, that was never all that easy to explain or translate to a national or translate to a national audience was the texas experience with executions. texas likes to kill its prisoners. since the supreme court legalized execution again, texas has killed 518 prisoners. the next highest number is oklahoma which has killed 111

people in that same time frame. it's not just because texas is a big stats or a populous state or a tough state. they have a unique enthusiasm for killing prisoners. they are responsible for having overseen the deaths of hundreds of people while they were texas governor. in 1998, he was wanting to be president. texas had one particular execution that got a ton of nationwide attention. it put a ton of pressure on bush. carla faye tucker was sentenced to death.

she had an apparently sincere mission to evangelical christianity. something about killing this particular one, the first woman to be executed in that state in 135 years, something about her case grabbed the conscience of even some pro death penalty conservatives around the country. people like newt gingrich, the leading republican in the country at that time. you also had a lot of

conservatives saying that george w. bush, governor of texas, at the time, should spare her life, even though he didn't spare so many people's lives. george w. bush was texas governor at the time. those pleas for mercy fell on deaf ears. he ended up interviewing the candidate specifically about the carla faye tucker case. honestly, it was one of the most unnerving things published by anybody about george w. bush before he was elected president. he was clearly not at all bothered by this particular execution.

>> so he saw to it that carla faye tucker got executed.

now, the texas governor who wants to run for president is a man named rick perry. but the same type of dynamic is playing out once again. this time, it's attracting nationwide attention. persuading even some christian conservatives to lobby the texas governor to not go through with this one. this time it's a man whose case is famous, because, specifically, he appears to be so obviously and so dramatically mentally ill. he's due to be killed by the state of texas tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. local time. the list includes people like gary bower.

it's this big list of pretty well-known conservative activists who have written to rick perry saying it would be immoral for the government to take this man's life. they're saying that this guy, it would be wrong to kill him. >> in addition, former texas congressman ron paul, rand paul's dad, has weighed in specifically on this case telling rick perry that he should stop this execution. a bunch of morning newspapers have done it all across the state. basically, all the major papers

in the state, plus a lot of little ones, have editorialized against this specific execution. against this specific execution. he killed his in-laws in 1992. the prior 14 years to his crime, dating back to the time he was 20 years old, this man had been hospitalized more than a dozen times for acute instances of mental illness. he had been diagnosed many different times. at one point, he took all of his furniture out in his backyard and buried it. he heard voices. he thought it was controlled by unseen powers.

he once nailed the curtains shut. he shaved his head, he changed into camouflage fatigues, got a hunting rifle, took his wife and his daughter hostage, after a standoff with police, he eventually changed into a suit and tie before he finally decided to turn himself in. this is his mug shot. you see him in the suit and tie. they show him from the front and the back and it's kind of strange looking. he didn't quite finish shaving the back of his head when he was preparing for this battle with satan that he thought he was engaged in. the state of texas allowed him to fire his attorneys and represent himself. he tried to issue subpoenas to

john f. kennedy, to the pope and jesus christ. he believes the state of texas wants to execute him not because he killed his in-laws. he says he didn't. he says that was his alter ego, a man named sarj. he has painted a portrait in prison of what he says sarj looks like. it's texas taking the side of satan against him who's on the side of jesus. that execution was delayed to evaluated if he considered whether someone could legally be executed in this country.

in 2007, they ruled that a person cannot legally be executed unless they are not well enough to have a rational understanding of why the state plans to kill him. despite that ruling, the state of texas thinks that scott pinnetti is faking that illness. he must have been a real master mind. his execution date is scheduled for tomorrow, 6:00 p.m. local time. the texas board of pardons and parole ruled yesterday that the execution should go ahead. legally, it's up to, basically, the united states supreme court to stay the execution sometime tonight or tomorrow. or it's up to this man, rick perry. lawyers acting on pinetti's

behalf in texas say they would use the delay to get him another mental competence exam. it's unconstitutional to execute somebody who's manifestly mentally ill. the last competency exam was seven years ago. how's he doing now? the supreme court could weigh in or rick perry could weigh in to stop this thing or at least slow it down. that said, governor perry has been very busy these days trying to make himself look like he's a reasonable candidate to be the next president of the united states. i know your time is limited

thanks very much for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> am i right to single rick perry as a last line of defense here? >> we're also in the fifth circuit. we've asked the fifth circuit for time and resources to litigate scott pinetti's competence to be executed. at this point, the supreme court has a direct appeal from the court of criminal appeals, whether it's constitutional to execute people with severe mental illness. in my experience, the supreme court waits until the lower courts have weighed in. so my expectation is that the

supreme court will wait before ruling on the documents that we already have there. >> one of the things that's hard to understand is that there is this landmark from the supreme court. they don't know what is happening to them and why. >> this is a really good question. the state is takes the position that he's not really mentally ill. he's had problems with drinking and drug abuse. it totally overlooks the fact that those are symptoms of severe schizophrenia. >> in terms of what the supreme

court will rule on and make their decision on what rick perry might make his decision on, is it your contention that if rick perry gave a 30 day delay, that that might make the difference? >> one of the challenges here is that the state set the execution date six weeks out. in texas, you have to file your motion about a person's incompetence to be executed 20 days before the execution. then we are scrambling to gather information. we have a lot to organize.

our belief is if we can have more time, we can adequately raise the issue and we can get scott evaluated. no court has seen fit to appoint a mental health expert for scott pinetti. >> wow. thank you very much for your time tonight. i know it's going to be a very hard 24 hours for you. lots more ahead on this busy news night. we'll be right back. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪ ♪ nothing beats that new car smell ♪ ♪ chicken parm you taste so good ♪

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>> so keep it, just fold it in half. it will be like you never saw it because, you know. a member of the grand jury asked. >> so she gave them instructions, gave them questions and then did not tell them what was wrong about the instructions. >> we don't want to get into a law class while we're working one of the highest profile cases this the country in which the

grand jury is getting key instructions to the case they are supposed to partially to ignore but they don't know what part to ignore. the grand jury in that ferguson case decided not to indict officer darren wilson for killing michael brown. for the past week, me colleague, lawrence o'donnell has been pulling at the strings asking what effect giving that statute might have been given. >> the district attorney's office allowed the grand jurors to travel back in time when the cops could shoot someone. the assistant district attorneys

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it had a number of ramifications. if you have the wrong law for a large stretch of time, you're making wrong decisions for all that aspect of the grand jury. >> once they had been given that wrong instruction about what the law was, what should have happened at that point? once the prosecutors had realized they'd done the wrong thing, what's the right way to fix it if there is a right way to fix it? >> in our system, we don't have any sort of mandatory mechanism to force the prosecutor to correct an issue like that immediately. so, as you saw here, the issue wasn't corrected until weeks

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>> nine days till the government shuts down again. there's nine for the republicans in the house to sort out amongst themselves exactly how they're going to bring to fund the government even though they are so mad at president obama. if they can't sort that out over the next nine days, then the republicans will bring about the second shutdown of the federal government in about a year. incidentally, the last one we had was a hit to the economy of more than $20 billion. but maybe we're going to do it again anyway. now, the republicans in charge in washington and the leadership, they all say they don't want another shutdown, but the out-there conservative fringe in their party is a pretty big group and they're feeling pretty great after this last election. they really do want this shutdown. there's an interest fight now on the right. today, john boehner floated a plan to try to get his party together on this. he said in order to appease the tea party folks who want to shut down america's going to allow a vote on a purely symbolic we hate obama bill that's been filed by a tea party congressman named ted yoho who wants to

desperately impeach the president. that bill substantively will do nothing, but the thinking is hopefully voting on that bill that will do nothing will get the yayas out on the right. then once they've been expended, their plan will be to vote the government, except for the department of them to homeland security which they will separate out from the rest of the goth and fund for a few months or maybe a few weeks. supposed to be a kind of punishment for the president's recent actions on immigration. jeh johnson told the white house today that this was a nonsense idea, that it would hurt national security. in particular he said what it would hurt because of the timing, our plans for border security measures, immigrant detention facilities and surveillance on the border, all things republicans say they desperately want. it would also stop homeland security from hiring new secret service officers, which was the recommendation everyone thoughts was so important after the recent secret service fiascos. breaking homeland security and not funding them with everything else would mean those recommendations can't be fulfilled. but apparently that's the plan. it won't substantively do anything to stop the president's actions on immigration, but the homeland security agency says it will hurt homeland security.

there's also a chance the white house might veto this plan if this does pass. obviously democrats won't go along with this plan. if it does pass, it will need to pass with all republican votes. so as there's this fight on the right about whether this is a good idea, there's an interesting question of whether or not they'll even be able to pass it. the tea party chorus among the republicans in congress is already saying they're against it. it's not enough, not good enough. and crucially, the outside conservative groups that have whipped up the tea party folks in congress on issues like this in the past, they say they're absolutely opposed to what john boehner is planning to do here. the heritage foundation called this strategy today a blank check for amnesty. they say they're going to spend the next several days whipping the tea party conservatives in the house. they're going to deploy 10,000 activist against john boehner, against this plan and in favor of shutting down the government instead. anything short of shutting down the government is a blank check for amnesty. shut it down. it's so funny today. the beltway press today is they don't want a shutdown. he has a plan to avoid a shutdown. so that must mean there's not a shutdown. let's get back to writing down whatever john mccain just said.

if you look on the right at the groups that orchestrated the last shut down, they're loaded for bear right now. they say they're going to do it again. and conservatives may be ideologically out there in some cases, but they're not stupid. why does anybody think that the conservatives who want a shutdown or want impeachment or one of these other measures will be allowed to vote on the pointless ted yoho vote which does nothing and then they'll shut up. they're very sensitive to being patronized and treated like they're dumb by their own side. and so who knows. maybe the conservatives will go along with this patronizing plan that gives them none of what they want. but that fight between the right and the very far right is under way as of now in congress, and they've got nine days to figure it out before the lights go out in the federal government. anybody who tells you they know how this is going to turn down nine days from now is making it up or not paying close attention. a couple of weeks ago, the daily beast has a story that involved a white supremist guy and a mainstream republican guy getting in a fight on a ski lift in montana. the mainstream republican was a foreign policy adviser to john mccain in his presidential

campaign. the white supremacist guy, who he got into a fight with on the ski lift in white fish, montana, was this guy, who has founded and run a bunch of white supremisist publications and who now runs a white supremist think tank from his home in montana. all dedicated to building for a white homeland, preparing white people for victory in the upcoming global race war. not calling him a supremicist as a slur. he really is. when the heritage foundation wanted to find an author and researchers for its own heritage foundation study on why immigration reform was a terrible idea, they hired this guy whose whole idea about immigration is that it's a terrible idea because nonwhite immigrants to the united states are intellectually inferior to

white people. they'll never achieve much. they'll be parasites. immigrants are basically racially inferior and therefore shouldn't be let into this country. >> races differ in all sorts of ways. and probably the most important way is in iq. decades of testing has indicated that, at least in america, you have jews with the highest average iq, usually followed by east asians and then nonjewish whites, hispanics and then blacks. these are real differences. they're not going to go away tomorrow. and for that reason, we have to address them in our immigration discussions and our debates. >> the heritage foundation is now whipping conservatives in congress into shutting down the government in opposition of immigration reform. before he was hired by the heritage foundation, he used to write for one of this guy's

white supremacist publications. this is his musings on how there's something about being hispanic that just inherently makes you more likely to be a criminal. sort of amazing situation, right? the main force in washington pushing for the government to be shut down nine days from now. they got their researcher on the policy over which they want the government shutdown from the white supremacist blog world. and that's what makes it sort of a perfect microcosm of washington right now, a perfect snowy little pageant version of this fight that the mainstream republican policy guy and the white supremacist guy from where the heritage foundation got its anti-immigrant researcher, they both belong to the same private ski club in montana, and on the ski lift they got into a fight. apparently they also got into another fight later on at the same club. so it's the right versus the off the charts very, very, very, very far right. and in this little microcosmic pageant of what by we're going through in this country, who won that fight? basically randy scheunemann offered an ultimatum, kick him out or i will leave. apparently they kept spencer.

they don't want anyone to think they kicked randy scheunemann out. they said they e-mailed both about the fighting and they wanted to be clear that randy scheunemann quit on his own terms once he realized he belong to the same ski club to this white supremacist. we're also told the white supremacist guy finally also quit the club. his last day was on sunday. so mazel tov white fish, montana, big mountain club. one less nazi. but in the end, the result here is the same. and it's instructive. the right and the very, very, very far right are often comfortably co-existent in our country right now, but every once in a while, there is a fight. either at a personal level, a fight on a ski lift in montana somewhere, or it's a big scale fight in washington that the

beltway doesn't really notice until it's way too late. usually what happens when there's a fight like this is that the far right wins. mainstream doesn't like to fight with their right flank. when the right flank wins and >> jeb bush wants to be the next president bush, but he only wants it if he can run on his own ferms.