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obama, #not all cuffs. then the rams were leak, this could be us, but you playing. >> good morning. it is wednesday, december 3rd, welcome to "morning joe." that's the way too early holiday party. >> come on, put it on. >> what's it do? >> oh what's it doing? ♪ you make me want to shout. >> do you like it? >>. it's like a play list. >> it's a little disturbing. >> i will be going to the party. i hope you join me. >> she has another live animal on her head. >> anyhow, hey, give me my hat back! >> get it out of here. >> find out what animal is in there. get the animal out and give it back. >> i can't wait. it will be fun. >> john heilman. >> bringing gifts for little

boys and girls. >> i was out late, sorry. >> msnbc contributor says, still an introduction here. columbia university school of international public affairs, dorian. >> hi, dorian. >> white house correspondent for the associated press. we loved her as a kid. we frustrate her as a pots. >> not a mother yet. >> no, i'm saying, pots, it's a long story, it's a kool-aid commercial. >> that jon stewart thing was so funny. >> she has no idea what you are talking about. she thinks you are kind of gross. okay. >> everybody thinks i'm kind of gross, they don't know why. it's so stupid. >> it about cap cures the level of the discourse at this point as he often does. >> i made a horrible mistake last night. >> what happened? >> i watched prime time cable

new yorker. oh my god! omg! >> okay. >> have you watched prime time in. >> no. >> this is twilight prime time. we are in our own sort of the of world. >> ten second or less, wlafls your take away? >> it was just chaotic. people say they want a debate on race in america him they don't want a debate on race in america. they want to scream at the other side and they want to feel morally self-righteous. the truth doesn't matter they want to xanl rate the issues, they want to make the other side the enemy, whether the left is exaggerating the issues to make the white cops look bad or the whites want to make any black person that talks about an unfair judicial system. people don't want to have a real conversation about race. they want to be empowered by the chaos spreading out there, get higher ratings or more clicks.

they don't want to get to the heart of the matter here. >> which is why i love the "daly" show and the colbert report they tackle it much better than prime time cable news. some people don't want to debate. others want to express how they feel and have a discussion on these hard challenging questions. >> that would be great. >> you don't want to have a discussion like that, the kind you would like? chris rock. have you read that interview? >> interesting. >> fascinating. >> fantastic stuff. >> summarize it for our viewers. >> he goes all over, this new movie and the anatomy of stand-up comedy. on the race issue, he has fascinating stuff to say that is striking in a variety of ways, one reals to the black president

is a black progress ar white progress, the other he talks about a basically optimistic view, where people stand, things are worse or horrible. he makes this.about how his mother told him stories and growing up in south carolina and having to, her family having to go to the veteran to the vet's office to have tear teeth pulled and go around the back end because if they came in through the front door, white people would not bring tear pets to that veterinarian. he says that's not a story from five, six, seven generations ago. my mom told me that story. that's how much progress we made. basically, there is a lot of stuff going on, we have come a long way in whatever the town is if south carolina. >> gene robinson talked about growing up in orange burg, forth carolina. the same thing what he went through, willie, you look back at what was happening 50 years ago, 59 years ago, rosa parks still being told "get out of

your seat. you can't sit there, a white man is going to sit there." you look at what's happened through the years and it's interesting you got barak obama, the president of the united states, eric holder, the attorney general, the ceo of american express african-american, ceo of mcdonald's. can you go through every realm of american life and see extraordinary progress. there is one area, though that continues to haunt this country. >> that is the criminal justice system from the streets to the courtrooms to the jails him we got to clean it up. we got to have a real conversation about it. not just have people pointing to each other. that's where we are right now. >> that's why it's been actually disappointing. when every one of these issues comes up. we say it's time for an actual

conversation you have both sides going to each other and screaming at each other in this case. we had a bunch of stories this week. the congressional staffer who made the facebook post about the obama daughters and has been pillaried for things that happened soond. >> oh my god. >> it's not been a good couple weeks if media. there are some desperate to have a real conversation about race. we don't get one. >> more than a real conversation. what i was struck by the last few days if cable news is how people are not talking about the actual policy changes the president announced on monday to deal with this problem of policing. let's have a conversation about that evaluate, is it good, far enough? will it work? that a tough stuff policy discussion. it's out there. we could have been discussing that since monday.

>> yeah. i totally agree with you. republican leaders in congress speaking of policy are doing whatever they can to avoid another government shutdown. >> good move. >> yeah, thank you. >> also, listen, stop portraying on this stuff. >> thank you for that christmas gift. >> you got burned last time. so don't put the hand on the stove. willie, that hurts, right? >> you get burned if that's what happened? >> it damaged the party's brand last 84 and the federal government's reputation for sure. house speaker john boehner is reportedly working on a two-part plan to try to reign if conservative members and win support from some democrats. the first step would be a mostly symbolic vote to undue the president's immigration action and they'd pup push to fund the government through september with the exception of homeland

security. the proposal is already dividing some republicans. >> it will bring a stop to the action of the president. he talks about caning been on the phone. >> i see no discussion from anyone saying the government shut down. >> right now or later, this is the best round of fight on, 218 votes pulling towing t. president, he can shut the government down if he does that, we'll zee say, here's all the money. we put all the money on the table that you had last year. now you want to violate the constitution, you are insisting you will throw a presidential tantrum to carry out your lawless unconstitutional act. i think it's a very different debate. >> a question for you, some republican members are proposing tear own strategy and a number of conservatives reportedly defecting as many as 40 and political reports fancy pelosi and house democrats may be feed

to buoy the vote if enough republicans break rank. speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell have both said no more shutdowns, why are we still talking? >> we are talking about this, because the people that want to talk about the government or slow things down, they need to flex their muscles now the republican majority explodes in january. the second john boehner has more, you know, more republicans to play with, somebody can come in and say, listen, that's great. ly go out on the speaker's balcony and smoke a cigarette. you guys have fun. now is a time to make a point. so much leverage is lost in the new year, because a bigger majority you tell ten or 15 people to go straight to hell because they have the biggest majority since 1929. how's that? >> okay.

some of the 2016 republican contenders spent the day trying to impress this leadish at the wall street ceo council, soon to be house ways an means chairman paul ryan laid out his vision to slash the corporate tax rate while acknowledging a larger overhaul was unlikely. sometimes rand paul brand an isolationist claims he is in the main stream despite being reluctant to engage the military overseas. >> every time we have toppled a secular dictator replaced by chaos and the rise of radical islam. look at hillary's war. if you look at that, what has happened? it's chaotic there. in iowa about a month ago, they asked ordinary republicans, do you agree more with john mccain and more intervention or do you agree more with rand paul and less intervention. i think that's a great way to put it. i'm not talking all or none him

i'm not talking no intervention. i think we have to intervene with isis. i do believe less. i believe we have been everywhere all the time. we are about to bankrupt our country and that there is great danger to what we have been doing. i want liss. mccain wants more, 15 countries more, 15 wars more. >> a new cnn research opinion poll shows mitt romney leading the potential field. when romney's name is tang out of the members, jeb bush heads into the top spot. hillary clinton outpaces the field. >> let's go republicans, the somebody up. when you see ben carson there in 2nd place, you know what, that is the republican party. it's a cry for help. sorry. >> l ben carson is not going to be president. i like ben carson. he will not be president.

he is saying, we have nobody we like. ahead of chris christie, pike huckabee, not going to happen. not going to do it. da that car i have could it not be a cry for jeb bush to make a decision? do you feel like he's getting closer to running or further from running? >> well, he's getting closer to a decision as to the days of the calendar. >> what is your gut? >> my gut and my reporting said that he is talking in a way that sounds like he's more inclined to run. yet, everything i hear suggests he is still quite reluctant to run. my gut still helps there is a chance he won't run. >> i was going to say, it teams seems if you saw your brother get beaten up savagely for eight

years by the press, your father beaten up for 20 years. i mean it happens among sides, this is the most brutal process as you know, as have you reported on. if are you reluctant, you don't do it. you do it because you have a calling. because have you no choice you have to do it. if he is still reluctant. >> people wrestle with a lot of things, but you look around that republican field, people like rand paul obviously, they want to run, ted cruz wants to run. some of these folks are clearly they have the quote fire in the belly. he does not seem to have it. the interesting thing about that poll, i think polls this far out are not that helpful. it frames the ting very well. i do think the post-important decision is does jeb bush run or n not? that will frame the race in a good way. >> romney wins.

>> they'll be. >> the romney-christie race. >> it will be a big one. >> maybe not. >> i don't think so. i personally don't think so. i think you got a very disciplined candidate who has been through it a lot before who did a lot of things right o and you got another guy that's never been on the field. he doesn't understand what it's like in iowa or new hampshire. >> there are a lot of things even tow mitt romney does well with high rec physician. there is, i think, some reluctance on some republicans, especially staff republicans to say here's a guy, what are the states romney wins if 2016 that he didn't win if 2012. you look at the electoral math, there are a lot of established republicans who think we like mitt romney. >> how about, florida, ohio, virginia? >> well, those are states that you obviously need to win a couple of those to win the

presidency. not clear that mitt romney is a favorite over hillary clinton. >> i saw charlie cook was saying, he doesn't think jeb or hillary are likely to run. >> right. >> i think there was a little change on the hillary side of that. let's get julie pace in here. first, both sides on the aisle in terms of the 2016 candidates. my gut is mitt romney is at the top of the list, he lost twice in competence, what do you make of where hillary clinton stand? why do you think mit is the on the top of the list on the republican side? >> it was derided by democrats, some comments he made on russia in particular. a lot don't feel the economy has improved, their own economic

situation has improved. there is some think tack maybe romney could have done a better job with obama him i do think the numbers you see on various candidates those will change, romney is more relevant known to a lot of americans tan someone like jeb bush is, on the democratic side, the thing i keep going back to with hillary is that being in the race as much as she has been already for so lojs, what does that do when she officially throws in, will the public be tired after seeing her speech on so 'forums over this past year? >> i think the media will be. we're not the public him when i see people talking about hillary clinton, little girls, they're super excited. >> are they really? >> oh, absolutely. she wants it. she's got it. >> i don't see that in my neighborhood. >> no, you don't. >> the democratic nominating electorate is pretty excited

about hillary clinton. whether she will win -- >> we have a.d.d. >> when have you a.d. d.. the puke stops and there is one poor guy left standing, everybody is in the care really fast. so there poor guy, he has been forced. >> stop. >> he has been forced as the secretary of defense. >> he's not being forced. >> everybody else said. apparently, somebody has to fix her. they're using it as leverage to force him to be the next secondary. >> take the job, it's that bad at this point? >> no. i think the decision is fascinating, i'd like to talk to her about it. >> apparently it is, nobody wants this job. >> you know what's interesting is the number of republicans you heard come out yesterday in support of this choice, of president obama's choice. they like the guy. he's got a hawkish streak. he's confident dealing with the military budget. >> yeah.

>> he may be great i just feel sorry for him. >> stop. especially if there is support on the other side of the aisle. >> apparently, this is a demotion brought by barak obama's secretary of defense. >> shut up. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> ash carter is a great guy. he will do a great job if he gets the position. >> i think he wants it. >> does he? >> i think so. >> diddly do. >> four acts standing there. >> it didn't work. >> i was thinking about. >> sort of how it works. all right. congress i haven't had enough sleep. just stop. i am now going to break. peter king joins the conversation, plus a dark day in detroit what caused a big power

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mike dugan noticed the power grid has not been modernized if decades. we got to go back to detroit. this is, you know. >> find the progress there. >> they were trying so hard. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is cleaning out house. he fired his finance and justice ministers and called for a dissolution of parliament two years ahead of schedule. the two ministers were critical of fnetanyahu's policies in weeks. usa today, dna evidence proves a skeleton found in a parking lot belongs to king richard, iii, of funding. the discovery brings an end to the 500 year mystery of his

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joining us now with the must read opinion pages, mike barnacle. hello, mike. >> hello, joe. >> seriously. we asked him. like i saw somebody stretching in the back. >> he was sleeping in the back. >> i swear. >> no, it happens.

>> it's ridiculous. >> so this is in the washington post. obama has already won the immigration part. >> among the many ways republican members of congress are contemplating to punish president obama for his executive actions on immigration is a proposal of elegant simplicity. they refused to invite him to the capital to give his state of the union address. yes, that should do the job. if this doesn't force obama to back down from his executive orders, republican lawmakers can escalate by unfriending him on facebook and unfollowing him on twitter. in the immigration stare down, republicans have already blinked, unwilling to squander their new majority and public support, they are quickly falling in line behind symbolic protests. is that fair? should it be working behind the scenes? >> we played a clip on somebody saying they wanted to stop the

president's plan. there's a great way to do that, pass a bill. pass the immigration bill. you know, at some point, republicans in the house of representatives will have to do their job, like they have to do their job on isis. they fled town. isis imgralgs tax reform. >> it's all there. they know they can go back and talk to tear base about. but they scurried out of town before they had to take a position on isis before the elections. they will have to do something about an immigration system that's broken. 13 million illegal immigrants right now? unless they are going to deport them all, they will figure out what they will do. >> i don't think reporting them all will be cost efficient. >> they have 13 million. they will have to face the reality. also understand, a lot of their supporters want them to pass

real immigration reform. >> they have to stop talking and do something. >> i think this will be healthy for the possibility. they have immigration reform. so, you know, when you have jeb bush as a presidential nominee, why the party needs to be more appealing especially to laity no voters, i think that changes the politics a bit. >> what is the likelihood they will pass an immigration reform bill? >> might it be easier said tan done? >> it's certainly easier said tan done him at this point there doesn't seem to be a serious talk about an immigration bill next 84. it is possible if you have candidates like jeb bush who get in the rates, others that say this may be good for the party. mitch mcconnell say let's do this in order to have our party win the white house.

at this point it seems unlikely you will see action on immigration last 84. >> barak obama has already won. >> i sort of felt that way after he spoke to the nation about the executive order. they can pass a bill. they may not like the tone. >> the argument they made is they had to do something. it serves his argument. >> they look at that and say it's unconstitutional. that at the end of the day does the republican party no good. they're still the do nothing congress that will not confront. >> the party is no. >> i'm not talking amnesty or talking about a pathway to citizenship that puts illegal immigrants ahead of everybody else. they have to do something to face reality. 13 million illegal immigrants in

this country. >> they could pass something that wouldn't fly earlier. the president said i willwritten rip up this executive order, just pass something, perhaps they really like. >> it puts the president in a very bad position if they pass the bill t. wall street editorial board also wrote this. a technocrat for defense. >> president obama is widely expected to nominate ashton carder, which we know now is a defense secretary later this woke a. choice that would likely insure a smooth confirmation if congress and easy transition at the pentagon. the largest question is whether a tech no krat can do more than mind the store while the white house conducts its meandering foreign policy. >> let's just stop. >> what? >> i have a page 6 item i want to get through. >> what. >> there will be a fun fight over the agency. we should read this for a second. >> what? >> talk about what a horrible job being barak obama's secretary of defense i believe

the first six years. >> well, it has been because you got the split in the military and the white house, especially the national security staff, which apparently paid little heed to the military. the president of the united states had a group, including mica's father, a group of former national security advisers to the president for a white house dinner five or six weeks ago. there are seven of them. it was an elaborate dinner, richard haase was there. they spoke for hours about the issues involved. i don't think they've had a dinner for two or three top generals at the white house. and the pentagon, especially the pentagon feels estranged. ashton carter, though, might be able to help out there. >> really? >> yeah, i think he is a strong new guy he might be able to tell the military, whoa, slow down, which is what you have to do occasionally. >> george stephanopoulis guy.

>> you led me on, i thought it was interesting. >> somebody is leaking, george stephanopoulis' camp or the other camp. >> he has a long history of it. it's a direct high point there. we seen it before the years. it's very funny. you should read the fork post. coming up next, the front page of the "new york times" has news of a potential lima josh deal. one key group may have been left out in the cold once again "morning joe" we'll be right back. ♪ (holiday music is playing) hey! i guess we're going to need a new santa

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. >> you know, there is big news out of iraq. it might be good news. >> well, it could be taking a big step this morning, a fight against islamic state militants, iraq government and kurdish officials have reached a deal, oil revenue and resources, the move will likely stop the push by kurds for independent states gained by isis. there is still a need to reach a deal with sunni was have grown sympathetic to isis. joining us now from washington the editor and ceo of the foreign policy group is also the author of national insecurity, american leadership in an age of fear. >> one out of three ain't bad. maybe we got the kurds taken care of. the iranians are helping us with the shia. >> well. >> now we feed the saudis to help us with the sunnis in

western iraq and a done deal, right? >> oh, yes, it's just that simple. of course, the reality is this is a short-term accommodation lie the accommodation with the iranians is for the moment. there are longer-term problems, kurds will not be placated by getting this deal. they want their own state. they actually deserve to have their own state. one of the big problems we will face at the end of the road here is whether we back them or use them to fight this war. then we pull the rug out from under them like we have done in the past. >> let's hope we don't do that. in the past, we have been reluctant to do it. turkey has been an allie, since they are no longer being an allie, we should be interested in what turkey is interested in. let's talk about, you say there is a short-term deal, if it placates the kurds for now, great news, let's talk about anbar prampbs, let's talk about the sunnis what do we have to do

there? >> that, of course, has been the big problem. that's where isis has been able to make the inroads. we have to eempower the sunni, give them a chance to actually have a say in the government. the baghdad government has been slow moving on. that we have to do something more difficult, we have to build the political base, a political apparatus so they will have a lodge-term voice on the government. >> is a separate sunni state feasible? give them the western part of baghdad and then out to the borders? is that possible, is anybody talking about that? >> well, you know, joe biden talked about it a while back. a number of people talked about iraq is a figurement of the greatest imagination of pieces that got put together in order to suit some post-colonial agenda that doesn't exist anymore him holding it together will be really, really tough. in the past, that was only possible at the point of a gun, a barrel of a gun. going forward, it's hard to

imagine, frankly the baghdad government is actually ever going to empower the sunnis. that's why i don't think this particular split is going to be easily healed and some kind of independent or federal arrangement might be the only way to go. >> david, originally, about washington, d.c., is you are driven by few ideas, it seems to be the case today. it's stunted by fear of new ideas. so my question to you is how much of the fear of few ideas do you think is instilled in us because of what happened on september 11th and has caused somewhat of a paralysis in our approach to the 21st century? >> well, everybody is afraid of the long shot attacks that, you know, produces the kind of reaction on 9/11. nobody wants to take the risk of that thing or seen as being lax on that. we do a lot of bandwidth and resources to protect against that attack. we don't do other things, like

invest if education, invest in the growth of the u.s. economy or focus on the other issues internationally that are important. the rise of china, new powers, you know, our own future agenda. we used to have an aspirational foreign policy where we had big goals around the world. we had a defensive foreign policy for the last ten, 15 years, we have been worried about this very narrow threat. >> thank you. always great to have you on the show we'll see you soon. coming up, a possible shutdown looms or as jimmy fallon and brian williams put i it. >> we want to take it back to executive action, you got to pass a bill. >> my prez obama don't ♪ my prez obama don't ♪ until you pass bills on time

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>> there is? >> mm-hmm. it says, ryan loves her sister but always hit her in the face. >> because she does mean things to me. >> should we tell santa about this? >> only about reilly. >> all right. about her. we won't tell him about the things you have done. >> no. >> just about the things reilly has done. >> do you think we should have santa bring you 100 gifts. >> yes. >> and no gift for your sister. >> well like two gifts for my sister. >> two gifts for my sister, but a lot for me. >> two gifts for your sister. >> yes. >> don't steal cars or knock over any liquor stores and we should be fine. >> okay. >> very nice to pete you, ryan. >> very nice to meet you. >> merry christmas. >> i love. can you hear about this chuck todd report he said he was a bad person. did you hear that? >> something about the bush

store. >> that's not how it went down. this report has been corrected t. president was looking at the book cover. a picture of himself, saying he looked sad. not conduct todd. he wasn't telling his daughter. >> who would do that? >> then his daughter said, that looked like a sad book the way her dad looked. >> it was not about chuck todd. >> this is self dep reindication. >> you got to do tha. do you have self deprecating reports? >> you look like a dog with all that makeup. >> that's not nice. >> nobody talks that way. >> mica is still drunk from last night. >> oh, i was going to say. >> after a report. >> 99% of all jokeing is true. so, there you go.

should we do some news? i need some self esteem right now. >> people hate me, saying they will stop watching my show. >> they talk about what you say, just how i look. >> the drunk phase about how you look. >> true. >> i don't understand what's wrong with that? >> you guys. you should plug that. >> it sounds like a negative thing. to me. >> it's a professional environment to be drunk at work. is that your question? >>. we're talking about journalism here, come on. >> can we do some news? okay. an overwhelming vote to raise chicago's minimum wage is setting umm a high profile clash between the city's mayor and the state's governor elect. the city council voted 44-5 in favor of raising the minimum wage to $13 an hour by 2019. under the plan, chicago's minimum wage would go up to $10

next july followed by a series of annual increases, the republican governor elect ruse rauner urged mayor emanuel to hold off on the increase, it could make the city less competitive. mayor emanuel says the increase will help get families out of poverty and keep up with the cost of liveing. he says state lawmakers into ed to follow chicago's lead and deny his plan is connected with the re-election campaign. there is this argument that it raises the minimum wage takes people off needing the government's assistance. there is that. >> it gives them mo into spend. the consumer economy. >> to support tear families. >> gives them money to spend and helps the economy that way. >> i think it actually redistributes money from one group of poor americans to another group of poor americans, some lose their jobs, others get

more money, at the same time, it has not been adjusted in a very long time. i will say, for symbolic reasons, even, raising the minimum wage is important. there is no doubt there will be people hurt because of the raising of the minimum wage. i think on the whole, it has been so long, it needs to be raised. it needs to be indecked for inflation and i think it sandial to employers across america that don't even have to comply. you know. >> minimum wage now is not a living wage. >> it's not. >> no one can live under the minimum wage. >> if it's raids to $10 an hour. >> i agree. >> get it closer. still ahead on ""morning joe," republicans threatening to shut down a referendum on president obama's policies, remind us what happens when you put your hand on a hot stove.

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this is a serious breach of our constitution. it's a serious threat to our system of government and, frankly, we have limited options, an limited abilities to deal with it directly. but that's why we're continuing to talk to our members him we have not made decisions about how we will proceed. we are, fact, going to proceed. >> i am distracted by the can. i didn't hear a word he said. >> i feel like we ran a tape from two years ago. >> look at that. look at that. >> the tan in december. that is a deep lucious tan. >> welcome back to the show. julie space still with us, i hope, thank god. joining the conversation, columnist for "the daily beast." mark mackinnon not letting us

down, no. >> i like it. we got to ask you want are you like on the philadelphia, you hajj out with these people. >> yeah, he knows everything. >> you ride bikes with presidents. >> le has to couch this carefully. >> is jeb going to run? >> i think he's leaning in. the sort of public shameing by conservatives. i think he got his hackels off. >> that's a smart thing to do. you want to get him to run. >> he has an edge. >> he does. a lot of it. >> he said you will watch him baby seal club. that's something you don't hear from most guys thinking about running. >> i actually like it. >> barbara bush in kennebunkport said i have been watching you like a hawk. >> we know where he gets that edge. >> yeah. >> not from his father. >> i can't say it. >> it's interesting. i was thinking some of the

issues he is talking about, he is getting a hard time about. those are issues, think about what george w. bush ran in 1999, immigration reform. compassion conservatives. >> george w. >> he's right wing. no, george bush has gun control, for instance, he's supported background checks, assault weapon ban, locks on guns and like the fingerprint shuf. i don't know the technology but you can go one issue on another on immigration. it was george w. bush and karl rove in 19 fine and they were both saying it to me and a lot of people, guys, we get ahead. if 1999 we get ahead on the hispanic issue. we stopped talking at them and start talking with them. >> exactly right. >> or we're going to lose presidential elections for years to come. >> people look at him, oh, he'll never get through it.

jeb said something, tell, he was asked, well, can you actually buck the conventional wisdom and win a republican primary? he goes, i don't know. it's never been tried. >> i always sit there, oh, you can't do this, you can't do that. >> everyone has gone genuflecting. >> there you have it. >> mark. >> never saw that come zbrk does he have the desire, in other words, is this coming from him or is it external forces like conservatives or other people suggesting he wants in? >> i think it's in the genetics. it's a public service, he's driven by public policy and i think that's what drives him. family history and a desire to see good public policy in america and move the country forward.

i think that's what drives him. not being president, making policies. >> come on. so 41 is a bush. 43 is a bush. >> this is the problem. >> 45 is a bush. >> numerology. >> i'm sorry? >> i call him 47. >> do you really? >> i just, you know what. >> you know what, there is a high, high bar. >> if you are going to run and are you a bush, when sit time to do it? >> when there is a clinton running. >> that is true. the question is, does he get out of the way so his son does have the shot to do it? >>. no. >> i love. they are doing whatever they can to avoid another government shutdown, are you on your own. >> that is a party brand in the reputation last year. house speaker john boehner reportedly working on his tan as

well as a two-part plan to reign in conservative members with support from some democrats. the first step would be mostly a symbolic vote to undue the immigration. call this a symbolic vote. it would do absolutely nothing. then they push a plan to fund the government through september with the exception of homeland security. the proposal is already dividing some republicans. >> it will bring a stop to the action that the president wants. you know, he talks about on the phone. this will take any kind of pan. >> i see notice from anyone saying the government will shut down. >> we have to fight now or find out later. this is the best round to fight on. 218 votes holding it together t. president, he can shut the government down if he does that. we will say, here's all the money. we put all the money on the table. all the money you had last year. now you want to violate the constitution. you are insisting you will throw a presidential tantrum to carry

out your lawless unconstitutional act. i think it's a different debate than the one we had months ago. >> sorry who is throwing a tantrum? that's all i want to know. republican members are proposing their own strategy, a number of conservatives reportedly expected to deflect. politico reports nancy pelosi and house democrats may be feed to buoy the vote if enough republicans break ranks, speaker boehner and leader mitch mcconnell have both said no more shutdowns. >> do you agree with what seems to be the consensus, for republicans, a shutdown is a terrible idea given what happened when they did it last year. >> no question. the good news is the republican leadership is aligned. the folks and more democrats are talking about a republican government shutdown tan republicans. >> amen. >> so why not pass an immigration bill? >> hallelujah. rather than get out there and

hold up the funding over defunding, the executive action on immigration, put forward our own immigration bill. i really, you know. >> water in the way of that? >> i think part is lame duck. my hope is we will come out a lame duck with a really strong forward leaning proposals on immigration, on jobs, and alternative to obamacare remember if all we are doing is defunding the thing. >> energy. >> not energy. let's have a program, an agenda. where is the agenda? >> the thing is we have is up an opportunity. the democrats are so outside of the pain stream. they're on the wrong side of history. we have an energy revolution going on and we can create a lot of great jobs in the coming years. >> but if we sit back and do if you can and run against barak obama the next two years, we won't define energy over the next eight years, we won't define the supreme court.

>> it's a long time to frame what the agenda is in january. >> so julie pace politically it would be bad news for the president if the republicans passed a bill and good news if they shut down the government. am i correct? >> yeah. i think you got that right. it would take some of the wind out of obama's sails for sure, as long as republicans don't move on legislation, he can continue to paint them as obstructionists on this issue and paint himself as the only one if washington who is willing to take any action on this matter. in terms of a shutdown, i think mark might have said this, certainly, you are hearing democrats who want to keep up the chatter, because they know that that's good politics for democrats, republicans were to take this move, it would just take the wind out of their sails coming out of this election. i think that so far boehner and mcconnell seem to be able to keep a lid on this. all of us remember over the last four years, the amount of times john boehner and house

leadership have come out and said we have this plan to see it crumble. the atmosphere feels a little different this time. you never know with the caucus they have right now. other news, mba legend charles barkley created headlines when he told a radio show last week the rioters aren't real black people. those are scumbags. last night, he discussed a false narrative about police targeting minorities. >> anybody who walks out peacefully, who protests peacefully, that itself what the country was built on. i have no problem whatsoever. but to be burning police cars, people property, looting people's stores, that's 100% ridiculous. the notion that white cops are out there just killing black people, that's flat out ridiculous and i challenge any black person to try to make that point. this notion that cops the cops

are actually awesome. you know, they're the only thing in the ghetto from between this place being the wild wild west. so this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous him i hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation. >> you know, it's interesting, we were talking earlier, about chris rock speaking out. you know, you have certain people who are professionals whenever something bad goes wrong, you see them out there. it's i think it really is incumbent on a lot of different black leaders and entertainment and politics to step forward and have a debate. >> yes. the social science said we need to have a debate. let look at the data, the numbers, the facts. >> right.

>> so while john barkley may not like the narrative, if you look at the stop and frisk in this area alone, i have been stopped and frisked wearing the suit. >> right. >> more respectable looking tan you, joe. >> oh my god. >> but that is. >> hold on. >> this is important. >> but let's. >> say what charles barkley is talking about. i talked to few of my friend, deeply offended by the looters, deeply offended that the suggestion that that has any place in this ferguson story and it's a justification. charles barkley is right the people looting these stores, are scum backs, with the their white, if they're black, if they're hispanic. also cops, is it good or bad for people to be going out there suggesting that cops are just, white cops are going around black neighborhoods looking for a black guy to get shot. >> let me respond. i think there is an element in truth in what he is saying.

i personally have been stopped and frisked in this city. they were all cops of color. i think this is about race. it's about something else as well. it's about policeing in this country. we need to have a debate about policing, broadly speaking. as taxpayers, as citizens, what is the proper relationship. >> why do you think it was cops of color stopped and frisked you and perhaps didn't joe? >> you are saying it is more of a police something. >> i think it is race and policing. they also profiled me. just because you are black doesn't mean you don't profile other black people. >> there you go. >> so i think it's about race. it is about my skin color. >> you are talking about data too. let have a real conversation on race then. if you are a black cop and you see pewaukeeing do under the street and you see an 18-year-old black guy walking down the street in the south bronx and you are told to stop

and frisk and your job is to stop crime, based on data and are you the one that brought up data. >> yes. >> so i have no problem asking this question, based on do you that, based on computer models, by the way, this is a real conversation on race. >> yeah. >> what do do you as a black cop, i'm going across the street and stop and frisk the white dude that looks likes he lives in connecticut wearing a licardo shirt. >> actually the white people are in our neighborhood to buy drug. >>. let me -- >> yes. >> based on data that cops build their policing around? based on the data, there is neighborhoods, there is place and there is profiling and the rest of the city. so when i get stopped at the rockefeller center subway stop. that's not the bronx. >> that's not the question,

though. i'm asking in the south bronx. we're talking ferguson, not the best part of st. louis or downtown st. louis, so if are you if ferguson, a lot of people don't realize, it's a crime ridden neighborhood where this happened. who are you looking at? again, i don't want to get storm tracker 2000ed. i want to stick to data. you know, because mike bloomberg said something in the "new yorker" or the new york magazine that offended a lot of people. he said, look at the hard numbers, too es are the two areas where we have an overwhelming majority of crime in new york city and these are the people demographically based on data post-likely to exit crimes. that's where we focus our policeing on. >> there is a flaw. >> exactly. >> if the stop and frisk were located in the south bronx or those neighborhoods, i would believe that. they're not. >> you keep talking stop and frisk. i'm talking policing in general. >> if you are talking about

policeing, they should both be stopped and frisked. it should be based on moving our society forward and treating whites and blacks equally. >> a cop is not out on the street going you tow what i'm going to do, i'm going to move our society. >> actually, actually. >> a cop on the street, mica, has one job. the job is to protect the people in that neighborhood. it is not to make a statement that makes prime time people on msnbc feel better about america. >> i'm not worried about that. >> black people in the neighborhood, hispanics in the neighborhood, white people in the neighborhood a. cop on the street does not sit back and they cannot sit up in their tower and be philosopher kings. they're trying to stop the next crime the next rape. they're trying to stop the next robbery. this conversation started being talked about data. let's have a real conversation and stop suggesting that white cops want to shake down black guys because they're brack. a lot of it is based on data.

if you are talking about data on why are they policing? let's have a little conversation about race. let have a real conversation about policeing. if you are talking about data, that's what cops will tell you. we're just looking at data. it has nothing to do about black or white. if white guys were responsible for 98% of the crime in this neighborhood or 47% of the crime in this neighborhood, we would adjust our policing on those models. i will let everybody else talk. let's have a real conversation about race and policeing. go. >> i wish that police departments would adjust tear policing based on the data. actually, that is one of the problems we should be talking about. >> you are they not? >> most, look, most police departments don't report data to the national fbi crime statistics. we don't know how to. >> is it not the case that the overwhelming amount. is michael bloomberg wrong when he said based on all the data, the majority of crimes are committed by young black males ages, i don't know what he said,

18 to 27 in two neighborhoods and, you know, he said, the south bronx and a part of brooklyn. but is that not the case? >> in terms of high crime neighborhoods in the city, yes. but that doesn't mean. >> i'm talking crime in general. quit changing the subject. you said high crime. >> i said high crime. >> crime in general in new york? >> yes, joe, i'm talking about crime. but when you focus on two neighborhoods but have a city wide policy of policeing, that is not about those neighborhoods. >> you are going back to stop and frisk. i'm going to ferguson and high crime neighborhoods, the logic. why do tsa officers feel they have to frisk 8-year-old and 9-year-old kids? it's stupid, right? so they're looking at who is post-likely, they should be looking at who is most likely to take -- >> you are getting an example

from new york city data. the use of marijuana among white teens and black teens is equal. the arrest rates for marijuana possession and usage are disproportion natalie black and latinos. that's crime. but there is something going on and let's talk about that. what is going on. the crime rate of that crime is the same. >> i talked to you about that on this show all the time. i don't want anybody to misunderstand me. apparently, everybody is. i'm just saying, tow, as we try to villify cops in this country as we have over the past week, i'm not talking about you. as protesters go out, people suggest white cops just want to shoot black young youth in the back, it's important to look at what is -- you brought up black police officers, hispanic police officers, when they're out, they're not talking about moving society forward, their job is to keep neighborhoods safe.

>> but they're leaders in the community and the only point i was making is if you focus only on the data and you don't treat people equally in the community, you are fermenting anger. if your job is to protect the community, can you not be a part of the problem. >> you have to have community policeing. at the same time you have limited resources. so if a cop. okay. can i just say, mica, i don't want cops to go up and stop and frisk you. it's a waste of time. it's a waste of money. i don't give-a-damn if that makes somebody on tv feel better they're stopping and frisking you. i want cops to keep blacks and hispanics and whites in high crime finds safe. i don't care how that makes you feel in your liberal household in west chester county. i want black families and hispanic families and white families in the south bronx, if parts of brooklyn, in ferguson, i want them safe.

i don't want their houses burned to the ground. i don't want their businesses burned to the ground and i, frankly, don't give-a-damn whether you feel good about how they do it or not. i want these people safe in their homes. i want grandmothers safe in their homes. i want children safe as they're walking to school. you know what, just the blockers can write what the blockers want to write about. we have limited resources, cops have limited resources, they have a hell of a tough job. sometimes they screw up. but how people feel about it doesn't matter unless it's people in that community. >> joe, most people will agree with you on that. everybody wants public safety. everybody wants to feel safe if their communities. there is no disagreement about that. the question is, we is different ways of getting there. there is something terribly wrong with the way we are doing it now. we are not having a conversation about that, about policeing as a broad category and about. >> what's the best thing? name what itself the first thing

you would do to fix what you see as a policing problem? >> so i actually think if we were paying attention to the policy, the president announced several things on monday, data collection efforts, training efforts, cameras on top. there are five different things that policy people and the police department are actually talking about doing and experimenting with and testing out that is beyond this. >> why aren't the cameras? why aren't there cameras on every cop? >> they're about to be in new york city. >> it will be a big change. >> a great change. >> at the core of ferguson, it's this us versus mentality. if we fix that, we make a lot of progress, how do you do that? that seems like a generational problem. >> not necessarily. i think we have several examples. after the l.a. uprising, the '91 and 'faa. we can evaluate what worked,

what didn't work. there are other experiments if community policing around other cities in the country. with eknow we have these experiments. we know what works and what doesn't work. we have to first acknowledge what is happening now is a problem and people's anger on all sides is based on real different experiences and it's not like everyone has the answer. but we actually do have. >> by the way, i want to say the at the end of this segment. i'm sure a lot of people are freaking out. they don't understand. we are having a real conversation about race. >> this is it. >> i think it's so great. >> gene robinson and i agree on 95, 96, 97% of these issues we have been talking about over the past month. you and i, i guess, agree on 95% of the issues. people have to have a real conversation about race. they're afraid to. as long as people run to their corner and aren't afraid to go out there and take chances, we don't move the ball forward.

>> you are brave i think to sort of bring, well, no, i think if you looked on twitter? i think it's brave. >> you know what i care about. i care about the country moving forward on racial issues. race issues. i am a son of the south. there is a lot of things i didn't like seeing growing up. we made a lot of progress. this is kind of like the final frontier and we are not going to solve these race issues without having some uncomfortable conversations instead of these numbers. >> exactly. charles barkley, i was talking about being brave enough to go against the sort of ecochamber sort of tide of liberal thinkers on this. >> ferrell came out and had some tough things to sigh. you had chris rock came out and said it. you have had nfl players that have come out and talked about this. people that are actually their

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locks. >> closed dialogues, i'm against national conversations. >> all right. someone who is now again. >> on "morning joe," nothing but talk. >> i'm deeply offend by people sitting around with talk i get home, somebody can come to my thanksgiving table and say they support isis. is that great? you want gravy? you have people who you think would talk to you? >> i'd get home. >> ply kids fixed out, i will keep eating. so what happened today? >> nothing. >> they know dad is going to

keep coming. it's a gentle cross examination. but i am going to find out what they did at school today. >> it's that southern law training. i had 47 kids. after a while you know the first three answers, not much. >> i think you talk politics and they listen. >> it's pretty good. >> i'm sure he is a good dad. >> okay. the voices in our household. everybody. really? i grew up in the house, screamers. i made sure in my house it's

not. now, joe had screaming early on. he will tell you. we don't raise voices, we sit down on the floor and talk quietly. is this making you uncomfortable? >> i have three minutes. have i ever heard you scream? >> in my household. >> have you heard of me screaming in my household in. >> i have been on the phone with you, you have exploded over things at work? >> screaming at phil griffin. my six-year-old boy goes around and says, boy, i hate fill? i said, i'm sorry, we'll get back to "star wars." a democratic congressman from cool and chairman of the house democratic caucus, congress n

congressman xavier ba cera. >> i have never seen a parent that doesn't raise his or her voice in life. you are remarkable. >> if you have two sets of kids i have two older boys, you get more mellow, the older you get. you go, i will not raise my voice. >> the fact is they move out. you no longer have to raids your voice. >> exactly. what kind of immigration bill could the house republicans pass that you could support? could you support the senate bill that passed last year? >> i would. it's a bill that's as complete as can you get and get bipart sand votes. i'm not sure house republicans would ever want to put that bill up. there are house republicans that would vote for it. >> would the senate bill pass -- >> yeah, it will. >> if boneer would put it on the senate floor, would it pass?

>> there is as you know a pretty cohesive group of tea party republicans who are adamant that that not pass. so right now the tea party is lagging the dog >> how long have you been in congress? >> 22 years. >> wow? >> so you can speak to this better than most. i was talking a couple days ago, we let congress work the way it's supposed to work. the senate passes a bill t. house passes a bill. ten it go es to conference committee and they hammer out the differences in both sides and somebody said, well, joe, like 70% of the people there have never worked in congress where it functioned that way. 70% of the people working with you have no idea what a conference is conference hasn't worked that way for five years.

>>. >> even longer, i think they have this internal civil war. once they do, then you know why the anchor is. on the democratic side, there is a better sense of where the anchor is. you come toke. you physical out where the middle is. you get things done. we have not been able to get things done. there is a far right element unwilling to let the right do what it will do. >> that is get us moving. it's unfortunate. >> congressman, what happened yesterday from john boehner, it looks like there is a strong commitment to not shut down the government over this lame duck session. i'm curious if you have more about that fact and what could get done by the end of the year. >> what i saw is john the gambleer saying we are not

talking about shutting down the government. hey, this isn't good enough he's hoping i believe there will be enough votes, republicans, maybe you can gather a few democrats he can get something out of the house. he has to do that, he has to navigate the ship. unfortunately, he is going to have a crew, a part of the crew that wants to shut the government down. i think speaker boehner does not want to shut the government down. i believe he has an element that does. >> do you find when you talk to constituents there is a disconnect between the things you hear about if walk and oak back home? >> like every time i go home. absolutely. folks scratch their head and say what does that have to do with me? why can't they get it done?

like immigration. most people will tell you, let's violate the border. let's deal with the 11 million people here, some paying taxes, give them a chance, the rest start supporting. most people can't understand why washington would do that. come back soon. still ahead the major security breach at sony pictures, a reporter leaked documents and found interesting things about one of hollywood's largest studios. we'll have that ahead on "morning joe." . thought possible.

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>> more unfortunate sad news, how are you doing? please tell your mother we love the hat. >> and the tie. >> i will wear it in advance. >> way too early party. >> i'm going. >> way too early to party party. >> let's get to some news here. bill cosby is facing a civil lawsuit from a woman who claims he sexually assaulted her when she was 15-years-old. she is now 55-years-old. she says the alleged abuse a coward at the playboy mansion in 1974. she claims cosby took her and a 16-year-old friend there after several drinks at a tennis club and told them to lie about their age if asked. the suit alleges he asked her to sit by the bed and he began to sexually molest her. the incident caused severe emotional discretion and recently realized its extent. there is no response yet from cosby's attorney who has refuted

all the previous allegations, cosby has never been charged with any crime meanwhile. the journal reports half are available after refunds were offered. >> this keeps going. >> it keeps going and going, clearly his career is over. all of more than anecdotal. it's a sad story for all involved, the victims as well in a certain sense for bill cosby. coming up, silicon valley, can it create the largest homeless camp? that story is coming up in just a moment. we'll be right back. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city, and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal, generating electricity on-site, and fueling hundreds of vehicles.

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between now and december 1 or december 31. it's just not going to happen. >> that was part of a report on america's largest homeless camp called the jungle. which is located right in the backyard of silicon valley. here with us now from washington, staff correspondent for national journal alex ya campbell who co-wrote a piece. living in the jungle means learning to live in fear it especially after dark. when some people get violent. the 68-acre homeless camp in south san jose is considered the largest in the united states. it's a lawless place. the current tech boom has made silicon valley one of the wealthiest and fastest growing regions of the country. that has created one of the country's most expensive rental market, pushing low wage workers out of santa clara county or on to the streets. alexia, welcome to the show. shining a light on this, i think it's surprising to a lot of

people. when did this begin? give us a sense of how big the problem is. >> yes, well, thank you for having me. i heard that -- i know the city has been trying to clear the camp for at least ten years so they know it's been there for ten years. every time they clear the camp, it springs up again. after the recession, it went from like 80 people to more than 300. so it's really become a problem. because there's not any affordable housing in -- or not much of it in silicon valley. >> alexia, the piece refers to the rising costs of rental and affordable housing in san jose county. but once you deal with the homeless, many of them, i would assume, are the same in every city, there are a myriad of problems that contribute to them being homeless, as well as obviously the economic issues. >> that's true. you know, of course, there are definitely people that i met there that admitted they had mental disabilities, physical

disabili disabilities, drug addiction, alcoholism. it was surprising to talk to people that could be you or me. people with college degrees. the safety net had just fallen for them and they could not get work. a carpenter, someone who had built a lot of the buildings in silicon valley, couldn't find any more work after a while. yes, everyone is there, but you'd be surprised how many people that could be working with you. people who work at walmart who live there. >> we know a lot about the philanthropic opportunities. and people that live within silicon valley. so where are they trying to work within the san jose county government in dealing with this? you say this has been going on for ten years. they've been trying to deal with it. where are they in trying to help with the situation? >> since before they thought, you know, let's clear the camp and they realize that was not going to be working because

there's nowhere else to go. there's hundreds of tent cities. this just happens to be the largest one. what they're doing is now the city is trying to work with a lot of the nonprofits and they've decided to spend like $4 million trying to help people in the camp get housing, actually subsidizing the rent for a year or two. the only problem is they've given people vouchers and those people cannot find a place that will accept them. it's just the cost of living has gone -- skyrocketed. so now they're looking at, okay, we need to build affordable housing. it's not a place where there's public housing projects or anything like that so that's the issue. >> alexia campbell, thank you very much. the piece is online at nationaljournal.com. great job. still ahead, jon stewart's hilarious take on the st. louis rams nonapology apology. plus, defense secretary by default. we'll take a look at the man who was left standing when the music stopped. >> poor guy. i really feel so sorry for him. i've been called a control freak...

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testy and bizarre exchange of tweets and statements overnight. police claim the rams apologized. then said no. including the words expression of regret. >> and then the rams tweeted, wtf police #unfollow. and then the police were all, thanks obama, #notallcops. then the rams were like, this could be us but you playing.

good morning. it is wednesday, december 3rd. welcome to "morning joe." >> that is funny. >> that's for the way too early holiday party. >> let me see. >> come on, put it on. >> what's it do? >> that's not -- oh. >> what's it doing? >> do you like it? >> no, i don't. >> quite the play list. >> it's a little disturbing. >> i'll be going to the party. i hope you join me. >> she's got some kind of live animal on her head. >> anyhow, with us on set, we have -- hey, give me my hat back. >> get it out of here. >> what? >> find out what animal's in there, get the animal out. >> we have the managing editor -- >> thomas, i can't wait, it's going to be fun. >> bringing gifts for boys and girls. >> i was out late last night, i'm a little punchy, sorry. >> also, msnbc -- that will get you arrested if you cross state

lines -- >> what, what? >> that was in the -- also, dorian in washington -- >> hi, dorian. >> white house correspondent for the associated press. we loved her as a kid, you trust her as a mother, she is julie pace. >> not a mother yet. >> no, no, i'm saying mothers. it's a long story. it's a kool-aid commercial. remember that? that jon stewart thing -- >> julie is too young to remember that. >> and thinks you're kind of gross but okay. >>er thinks i'm gross. jon stewart. that's funny. kind of unfolding. it's just so stupid. >> it about captures the level of the discourse. >> i made a horrible mistake last night. >> oh, no, what happened? >> i watched prime time cable news. oh, my god. omg. >> okay, okay, okay. >> no, i'm just saying -- >> this isn't prime time? >> no this is --

>> this is twilight. >> we're in our own sort of world. we're called -- >> ten seconds or less. what was your takeaway? >> it was just chaotic. people say they want a debate on race in america. they don't want a debate. they want to scream at the other side and feel morally self-righteous. the truth doesn't matter. they want to exaggerate the issues. whether the left is exaggerating the issues to make all white cops look bad or the white wants to exaggerate the issue, making any black person that talks about an unfair judicial system look like -- it's -- people, dorian, people don't want to have a real conversation about race. they want to be empowered by the chaos that is spreading out there and get higher ratings or get more clicks. they don't want to get to the heart of the matter here. >> which is why i love "the daily show" and "the colbert

report" because they do a better job sometimes than cable news. look, some people don't want to debate. other people do want to debate and do want to express how they feel and have some kind of a discussion that actually moves us forward on these hard challenging questions. >> that would be great if it happened. >> once had a discussion of the kind i would like. >> who's that? >> chris rock. >> that interview in the -- >> fascinating. >> fantastic and fascinating. >> yes. >> summarize it for our viewers. >> he goes all over the place. he talks about everything from his new movie to the anatomy of stand-up comedy. on the race issues, he has fascinate things to say that many people will find striking. one of which is -- relates to the question of whether the election of the first african-american president is a mark of black progress or, in fact, a mark of white progress. the other is he talks about -- basically the optimistic view about where race relations stand for people who say things were a lot worse and now they're

horrible. he makes point about how his mother told him stories about growing up in south carolina and having to -- her family having to go to the vet's office to get their teeth pulled and having to go around the back end of the office because if they came in the front door, white people would not bring their pets to the vet. he said, that's not a story from five or six generations ago. my mom told that story. he basically said, there's a lot of stuff going on, but we've come a long way just since my mother's time in whatever the town is in south carolina. >> talking to gene robinson, talking about growing up in orangeburg, south carolina. it is. it is the same thing about what he went through. willie, you look back at what was happening 50 years ago, 59 years ago. rosa parks still being told, get out of your seat. you can't sit there. a white man is going to sit there. you look at what's happened through the years, and there has been -- i mean, you've got barack obama's president of the

united states. i wrote this yesterday in politico. eric holder is attorney general. the ceo of american express, african-american. the ceo of mcdonald's, african-american. you can go through every realm of american wealth and see extraordinary progress. there is one area, though, that continues to haunt this country. that is the criminal justice system from the streets to the courtroom to the jails. we got to clean it up. we got to have a real conversation about it. not just people pointing at each other, calling each other racist. that's where we are right now. >> it's been disappointing. we said this a million times. we said it's time for a national conversation. >> but nobody wants one. >> you have both sides running to their corners and screaming at each other. i'm talking about both sides in this case. we had a bunch of stories this week.

the congressional staffer who, you know, made the facebook post about the obama daughters. and has been pilloried and -- the bush twins and everything else -- >> oh, my god. >> it's not been a good couple weeks in media. i think there are so many people desperate to have a conversation about race and we don't get one. >> i think more than a conversation. what i was struck by actually the last two days in cable news is how people are not talking about the actual policy changes the president announced on monday to deal with this problem of policing. let's have a conversation about that. and evaluate. is it good, is it not good. will it go far enough. will it work. >> that was progress. >> it's out there. we could be discussing that. we could have been discussing that since monday. >> i totally agree. republican leaders in congress, speaking of policy, are doing whatever they can to avoid another government shutdown. >> good move.

>> thank you. >> yeah, also, listen, don't put your hand on the stove when it's on, it's hot. >> thank you for that christmas gift. >> you got burned last time. so don't -- just don't put the hand on the stove. willie, that hurts, right? >> yes. >> put the hand on the hot stove. >> you get burned if that happened, right? >> you get burned. >> that happened to republicans last year. >> it damaged the party's brand last year and the federal government's reputation for sure. house speaker john boehner is reportedly working on a two-part plan to -- >> that's right, he's trying to rein in conservative members. >> and even win support from some democrats. the first step would be mostly symbolic to undo the president's executive action on immigration. than they'd push a plan to fund the government through september with the exception of the department of homeland security. the proposal is already dividing some republicans. >> -- bring a stop to the action that the president wants, you know, he talks about -- this

will take the ink out of the pen. >> i see no discussion from anyone saying they'd like the government to shut down. >> this is the best ground to fight on because 218 votes holding together and the president, his choice then is he can shut the government down if he does that and we'll say here's all the money. we put all the money on the table. all the money we had last year. now you want to violate the constitution. now you're insisting you're going to throw a presidential tantrum to be able to carry out your lawless, unconstitutional act. i think it's a very different debate. >> question for you. some republican members are proposing their own strategy and a number of conservatives in the house are reportedly expected to defect possibly as many as 40. and politico reports that nancy pelosi and house democrats may be needed to buoy the vote if enough republicans break rank. speak boehner and mitch mcconnell have both said no more shutdowns.

>> we're talking about this because the people would want to shut down the government or at least slow things down, they need to flex their muscles now. because the republican's majority explodes in january. the second john boehner has more republicans to play with, somebody can come in and say i'm going to vote against it. saying, that's great, you guys have fun. so they want to do it now. now's the time to make the point. so much leverage is lost in the new year. because the biggest republican majority gives john boehner more power and quite frankly the ability to do that because of the biggest majority. >> republican contenders spent the day trying to impress business leaders. soon to be house ways and

chairman paul ryan. while acknowledging a larger overhaul was unlikely with barack obama in the white house. senator rand paul sometimes branded as an isolationist claimed he's really in the mainstream on foreign policy. disspeed being reluctant to engage the military overseas. >> every time we have toppled a secular dictator, he's been replaced by chaos and the rise of radical islam. look at hillary's war. what has happened? it's chaotic there. in iowa, about a month ago, they asked ordinary republicans, do you agree more with john mccain and more intervention or do you agree more with rand paul and less intervention? and i think that's a great way to put it. i'm not talking about all or none. i'm not talking about no intervention. so i'm not talking about all or none. but i do believe less. i believe we've been everywhere all the time. we're about to bankrupt our

country. and there's great danger to what we've been doing. mccain wants more. he wants 15 countries more. 15 wars more. >> a new cnn opinion research poll shows mitt romney leading the potential field. when romney's name is taken out of the mix, former governor jeb bush jumps into the top spot. hillary clinton continues her dominance among potential democratic candidates. she outpaces the field by 55%. >> let's put the republican numbers up. when you see ben carson there in second place, that is for the republican party a cry for help. sorry. ben cars be's not going to be president. i like ben carson. ben carson is not going to be president. ben carson ahead of jeb bush. ahead of chris christie. mike huckabee. not going to happen. not gonna do it.

>> very nice, dana carvy. it could be mr. game change. could it not be a cry for jeb bush to make a decision? he's very popular in that room. do you feel like he's getting closer to running or further from running? >> he's getting closer to a decision as the days of the calendar -- >> what you got? >> my gut in my reporting says he's talking in a way that sounds like he's more inkleined to run. and yet everything i hear suggest he's quite reluctant to run. my gut still tells me there's a pretty good chance he won't run. >> it seems that the tie doesn't go to the runner here. if you saw your brother get beaten up savagely four eight years by the press. if you saw your father getting beaten up for 20 years. i mean, it happens to both sides. this is the most brutal process, as you know, as you've reported

on. if you're reluctant to do it, you don't do it. you do it because you've got a calling. because you've got no choice. you have to do it. if he's still reluctant, i don't see him doing it. >> people wrestle with a lot of things. but you look around that republican field and people like rand paul who are obviously, you know, they want to run. ted cruz wants to run. some of these folks are clearly -- they have the, quote, fire in the belly. he does not seem to have it. the interesting thing about that poll, it really frames the thing really well. i do think the most important decision is does jeb bush run or not. if he does not run, i think mitt romney probably does. and that will frame the race in a really big way. >> if mitt romney runs and jeb doesn't run, mitt romney runs. mitt romney/chris christie race would be a -- >> no, it wouldn't. >> well, maybe not. >> wow. >> i don't think so. i personally don't think so.

i think you've got a very disciplined candidate who's been through it a lot before. you've got another guy that's never, never been on the field. does not understand what it's like in iowa. doesn't understand what it's like in new hampshire. >> there's also a sense among a lot of republicans, with these polls with high-name recognition. there is i think some reluckettance on trelukckett luckett reluctance to say what the states he didn't win in 2012. you look at the electoral math and there's a lot of establishment republicans who think we really like mitt romney. >> how about florida, ohio, virginia? >> well, those are states that you obviously need to win at least a couple of those to win the presidency. not clear that mitt romney is the favorite in any of those states over hillary clinton. >> just both sides of the aisle

in terms of 2016 candidates, my gut is mitt romney's at the top of the list, even though he lost twice. and what do you make of where hillary clinton stands right now? why do you think mitt is at the top of the list on the republican side? >> well, i think you always have voters have a bit of nostalgia after an election. some of the things romney said that were derided by democrat, some of them don't look so silly anymore. comments he made on russia in particular. a lot of americans still don't feel like the economy has improved. that their own economic situation has improved. there's some thinking that maybe romney could have done a better job with obama. i do think the numbers you see on various candidates, those will change as people just get introduced to the public more. romney's just more well known to a lot of americans than even someone like jeb bush is. on the democratic side, the thing i keep going back to with hillary is that being in the race as much as she has been already, for so long, what does

that do to her when she officially throws in? is the public going to just be a little bit tired of her, after seeing her speak in so many forums over this past year. >> still ahead on "morning joe," congressman king join us. plus, why prime minister netanyahu is making some big change, to those around him. and george clooney returns to television to a somewhat unlikely show. we'll tell you which one. first, here's bill karins. i'll be nice. >> he's got the forecast. bill. >> yeah, it's nice but it's kind of boring. good morning. let's talk about california. needed the rain. desperately needed the rain. can't get too much at one time. at one point, about 70 people had to evacuate their homes. they were scared these mudslides could come down and knock the houses off their foundations. thankfully, those people were returned to their home, as the rain led up.

we did not see significant damage. this is say beneficial storm. again, i said yesterday, we need about ten of these in a row to really make a difference in this area. and it's moving on shore now. we still have a lot of heavy rain around san francisco to sacramento. we've had over 2 inches in the bay area. so significant rain. have taken a little dent out of the horrible situation. just showers, l.a. to san diego. the northeast remains kind of gloomy. fog in the southeast. it's a pretty nice forecast over the next two days. with this big storm coming in the west, it's pacific air that's moving across the country. not arctic air. so it's going to be mild for the next two weeks. in the lower 48. do not expect any significant snowstorms any time soon. if you had enough of the cold and snow, you've had a nice december. tonight on nbc, they'll be turning it on. a lot of the singing. a lot of joy. we'll watch that tonight on nbc. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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so actually as you know, willie, every monday night, every tuesday night, every tuesday night, i'm at the orphanage. the kids say hi. >> oh, god. >> so wonderful when you -- >> i don't think you were doing that. >> anyway, it was wonderful. like, i couldn't go out last night, but both of you kids. >> we were on the town. >> had busy nights. mika, you had quite an event. >> i went to the l'oreal women of worth event at the pierre in new york city.

>> look at that, cool. >> i had the chance to introduce debra snider. she started a foundation that helps homeless veterans get a roof over their head. she is a lieutenant colonel. she met her husband in flight school. they've been married 25 years. they have a little girl named summer. summer got up on stage with me. i had her give her mom the award. it was really moving and adorable. i was so honored. >> what a great night. >> it was a wonderful night. >> that's a huge problem. homelessness in vets. >> diane keaton. >> boy, she's losing weight. >> stop it, she's pregnant. >> eva longoria. andie macdowell. it was amazing. >> a powerhouse. >> so, willie, what did you do last night? >> i was emceeing a really cool event. american friends of dome.

it is the ambulance in israel. they respond to hundreds of rocket attacks. they honored barbara walters. mayor bloomberg was there. it's such a cool group. the mda is, again, our red cross, our 911, all rolled into one, and they do some incredible things. >> you look good up there on stage. he's really growing up, isn't he? >> he is. >> okay. great job. >> i don't know what that means. >> you looked great. >> time to look at the morning papers. we're going to start with the detroit free press. a massive power outage in detroit tuesday left about 100 buildings without power. what's being called a major cable failure shut down one of the city's power grids, shutting off electricity to traffic lights, hospitals, police stations. a number of schools were forced to close. remember when they had water issues this summer? this is a joke. city officials say power has

been fully restored. detroit mayor mike dugen noted that the city's power grid has not been modernized in decades. >> the power grid there -- >> we've got to go back to detroit. >> with some tools. >> the city is trying so hard. >> "the new york times." israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is cleaning house. in a televised news conference, netanyahu fired his finance and justice ministers and called for a dissolution of parliament and early elections more than two years ahead of schedule. the two ministers have been critical of netanyahu. netanyahu said, quote, i will no longer tolerate opposition from within the government. >> dna proves a skeleton found under a parking lot two years ago belongs to king richard iii of england. the discovery brings an end to a nearly 500-year mystery into the whereabouts of his remains.

scientists were able to identify the king through dna that matched two female relatives on his mother's side. richard was the last king to die in battle and was buried unceremoniesly. the remains were found under a parking garage on the site of an historic abbey. >> what a story. that's like their jimmy hoffa. they found him buried under the parking lot. >> a little different but okay. >> at a giants stadium. >> great. >> what a story. the guardian, memorabilia from the hit show "the wonder years" heading to the smithsonian. including kevin arnold's iconic new york jets jacket. remember that? cast members including fred savage have donated scripts, costumes and other items to the museum. savage was on hand with his mother and children through a special ceremony last night. his mom said she saved everything, including that jacket, with the hopes the smithsonian would call one day, and then they did. >> that's awesome. >> you were just watching. >> for some reason, ended up watching a episode with my

family. it is such a good show. >> good show. >> like all these years later. >> yeah. >> winnie cooper. big crush on winnie cooper back in the day. >> a hollywood super star heading back to the tv screen for a small appearance on the hit british show downton abbey." >> the lord has asked us over for dinner tonight. >> that's so great. the cameo will air as a promo to promote an upcoming charity special called text santa. to benefit six uk charities. coming up, more bad blood in washington as house republicans prepared a response to president obama's executive action on immigration. congressman peter king explains why he thinks the president's move was in, quote, bad faith.

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welcome back to "morning joe" at 31 past the hour. here with us from capitol hill, member of the homeland security committee, representative peter king. congressman, is a government shutdown a hot stove like we've been describing it? and what do you make of those who are still talking about the potential? >> listen, we cannot allow a government shutdown. it makes no sense politically. it makes no sense government alley. it will break faith with the american people. the republicans right now in a tremendous position. we have the largest majority in the house of representatives since 1929. we have very strong control of the united states senate. mitch mcdonnell and john boehner are going to lay out an agenda. then you'll have president obama -- this to me will bring

about a real dialogue. a real opportunity to get something done. if we get caught up in this month to month of whether or not the government is going to stay open, we're not going to get anything done governmentally. based on what happened last year, the republicans are going to be blamed for it. it serves absolutely no purpose. if anyone i would say is secretly hoping for a shutdown, it would be partisan democrats. it would negate a lot of what happened in the last election. >> congressman, you just mentioned government going forward. you know, republican controlled house, republican controlled senate. let's get things going forward. so why not urge speaker boehner in the effort to keep things going forward to introduce the senate passed bill on immigration a year and a half ago into the house now. first of all, do you think it would happen that he would introduce it. if her di ever did, would it pa? >> i believe we have to make a good faith effort to go forward on immigration. that's been made difficult by what the president did. i think if the president was

serious about getting immigration legislation, first, he did nothing on an executive order for six years. he could have said he believes he has the right to issue this order and say he is going to do it on june 1, july 1, whatever. that would put pressure on republicans to negotiate and work out a bill in good faith. i think it would be a good step forward. then, by july 1, if there is no bill, the president can issue executive order. we can do what we feel we have to do. to get it done now, to me, it's going to be very, very difficult. i blame the president for that. i think john boehner and mitch mcconnell did want to get immigration legislation through now. if nothing else, just for the very practical reason of taking it off the table or at least minimizing its impact in the 2016 elections. >> congressman, i want to stick with immigration for a second. the president's made it pretty clear he won't sign into law any bill that doesn't have a pathway

to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented workers who are in the country. is there a bill the house republicans could agree on that has some sort of a pathway to citizenship for those 12 million or so illegal immigrants? >> i think it's possible. if we have real negotiations on it, i myself, i would consider myself hard lined on immigration. but if we can get real border security and if we can go after the employers would who are hiring illegals, i think we should be able to legalize those who are here now. i don't like the idea of people having been living here in a sort of quasi citizenship status. i think ultimately there should be a pathway to citizenship for them. with good intentions. mitch mcconnell and john boehner. both know how to negotiate and how to make deals. i think in january, going forward, we would have the opportunity to do it. i don't know if this would happen now. this will set off people in our party who are resisting any type

of immigration reform. >> john mechem. >> how would you grade the homeland security situation at this point? >> i think the department has done a good job. it hasn't gotten the full support i believe it needs from congress. and it's -- after the initial enthusiasm, a hard time getting any type of public support. people always look at some -- overall, we have not been successfully attacked in a major attack since 9/11. i think the current secretary is doing an outstanding job. people did a great job, as secretary tom ridge. again, it has to find its way, still, working with the fbi, working with the other law enforcement agencies. because there has been some

resistance to it. but overall, they're doing a good job. >> you joined general michael hayden. among others. other top national security officials in writing a piece for politico magazine about a soon to expire law that protects the economy in the case of a terror attack. you write, unless congress acts, the terrorism risk insurance act will expire on december 31st in july. the senate came together and passed by an overwhelming bipartisan vote a measure that would reauthorize it for seven years. failure to pass a similar long-term reauthorization will imperil our nation's economy and unleash chaos into the marketplace at a time when our adversaries are making substantial gains on the battlefield. what's the problem with this getting done? and what do you think the risk is? >> mika, this makes absolutely no sense.

after 9/11, it was impossible to get terrorism risk insurance to carry out any large construction projects. not just new york city but football stadiums, almost any large city in the country face this. they cannot get terrorism risk insurance because insurance did not know watt total damage was going to be. the federal government stepped in. this is one federal program that's worked and not cost a penny. and said it would insure -- actually, over $100 million. in 13 years, not one federal penny has been spent. there's not one federal bureaucrat working on the job. yet billions of dollars of construction projects, revenues, all coming to the government, with not one penny of cost. expires at the end of this year. and chairman of the committee wants to really gut the bill. he has an ideological objection to it. in the senate, it passed 93-4. not only did harry reid and

chuck schumer. right across the board. we have to pass this. we have to do it in the next week. it's totally irresponsible not to do it. >> congressman peter king, thank you very much. good to have you on the show. coming up, "frozen," kim kardashian, the iphone or maybe ebola. what americans searched for on yahoo! more than any this year. [ hoof beats ] i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people to take their medications regularly. introducing cvs health. a new purpose. a new promise... to help all those wishes come true.

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you two are going to be alone in a room with him. >> we got the interview. >> the cia would love it if you could take him out. >> mm? >> take him out. >> like for drinks? >> to dinner? >> take him out on the town? >> no, take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> hello, north korea! >> proceeding the interview, you will shake kim's hand with a fatal dose of poison. it is critical that you touch nothing. >> a-choo! >> ah, ah! >> i think there's a zero percent chance of this working. >> could "interview," provoked last week's devastating computer hack at sony pictures? the security breach exposed five new films. a treasure trove of apparently internal reports. and hijacked the corporate

twitter account. here with us, senior editor at fusion, kevin ruse, who dug through the leaked documents. kevin, what are some of the revelations? >> it's an amazing story. it's a nightmare for sony pictures. basically what you had is not only did five featured films get leaked prematurely, but basically their entire personnel file leaked on to the internet. so salaries of everyone in the company, 6,000 salaries in all, from senior executives down to the people in the mailroom. you had sensitive personnel documents. lists of hirings. firings. performance reviews leaked. and then also sort of just amazing numbers of documents about corporate strategy, budgets, planning, that kind of thing. >> so how in -- how did this happen? >> we don't know. they're still investigating. the fbi is now involved. sony pictures has hired a private security firm to investigate. there's some speculation that

someone got access to a highly placed sony pictures computer and that person may or may not have been affiliated with a foreign government. sort of leading rumor right now is that north korea may have been involved in this somehow as sort of retaliation for that movie that you just played a clip of, the interview. we really don't know. there's still a lot to be seen. but this is really important. social security numbers for 3,000 sony pictures employees are now floating around on the internet. >> kevin, why are you not in los angeles covering the tension convention that is sure to erupt, probably already has erupted, given the release of compensation packages for executives? why. >> i've been speaking to sony pit you weres employees and they're saying it's total pandemonium over there. it started out as sort of amusement like look at how much

these senior executives make. but then when people's social security numbers started getting leaked, that caused real alarm. >> that's ugly. >> kevin, i'm just curious, if you're willing to actually talk about the -- what's actually in these documents, which is to say what's the most scandalous embarrass things you've come across with details please. >> one thing i came across early is that -- of the 17 people at sony pictures, the executives who make more than $1 million a year in base salary, there's 17 of them. of those 17, 16 are men. and 15 appear to be white. so there's a stunning sort of hodge moj nusty among these executives. there's revelations. documents about personal e-mails people have been sending to their friends sort of leaked from performance evaluations,

things saying, you know, joe is a great employee, harry is a terrible employee, that sort of thing. >> what's the main takeaway, kevin? for other motion picture companies looking at this? i mean, how do you -- because this seems pretty simplistic in some ways. and then not in so many others. >> well, one lesson is that corporation, nes need to do a m better job of locking down their data. these numbers and these files were all in unencrypted excel and word documents just sitting on someone's hard drive. in an age of hacks and sort of data security breaches, that's totally unacceptable and really embarrassing for sony. i imagine they're not alone. i think there are probably lots of other i.t. managers and corporate executives not just in

hollywood but everywhere taking a look at their data practices today. >> kevin ruse, we'll see you soon. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> up next, what, if anything, did we learn today. ♪ you don't need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we're exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg... isn't as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. here we go, here we go, here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪

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the presenters last night at the l'oreal women of worth awards. that's debra. that's her daughter summer who is the cutest thing in the world. she talks a lot. she's very outspoken. she's a future woman of worth. and we had so much fun. i had summer give her mom the award on stage. there were ten incredible women with incredible stories. lieutenant colonel debra snider has started a foundation, operation renewed hope foundation to help get homeless veterans off the street and a roof over their heads. she has her husband working for her. they've been married 25 years. they met in high school. she says he works for me now. i had a great night. what did you learn? >> i learned i'm hoping what happened at sony does not happen at msnbc. >> thomas. >> the tree gets lit tonight.

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