>> we renew the call for the department of justiceis to step in today. >> another closely watched grand jury decision involving a police officer. >> sources say there will be no indictment in this case. >> an improper choke hold was the factor of the death of eric garner. >> they treated him worse than an animal. >> we have a case mere on video. >> we have a indicates hecase h >> the grand jury has been looking at evidence. >> they wanted a different and better relationship with the police. >> if ferguson wasn't a wake up call, this case better be. >> this has to stop. ♪ ♪

good to have you with us tonight, folks, thanks for watching. today a new york city grand jury decided not to indictment an officer on the nypd in the death of eric garner. we are expecting remarks from mayor in moments. president obama reacted to the decision moments ago. >> there was a decision that came out today by a grand jury not to indict police officers who had interacted with an individual named eric garner in new york city. all of which was caught on videotape and speaks to the larger issues that we've been talking about now for the last week, the last month, the last year, and sadly, for decades. and that is, the concern on the part of too many minority

communities that law enforcement is not working with them and dealing with them in a fair way. as i said, when i met with folks, both from ferguson and law enforcement and clergy and civil rights activists, i said this is an issue we're dealing with too long. i'm not interesting in talk. i'm interesting in action. i'm absolutely committed as president of the united states to making sure that we have a country in which everybody believes in the core principle that we are equal under the law. [ cheers and applause ] >> the new york democratic congression congression congressional delegation had an emotional reaction. >> the decision is a miscarriage of justice. it's an outrage. it's a disgrace.

it's a blow to our democracy. >> a human being was killed. he was surrounded by police men. no one else touched him and the grand jury said he didn't commit suicide. >> the grand jury couldn't even come up with a misdemeanor, it's certainly a miscarriage of justice. >> how could you sit there as a juror and watch this video and issue ano indictment. >> here's an individual who said i can't breath, yet the choke never stopped. >> i can't believe in the 21st century in the united states of america we can not get a simple indictment for the murder of a man that was caught on tape. >> i respect our judicial system. i respect the grand jury system. doesn't mean i have to agree with every decision that is made

and i certainly don't agree with this decision. >> the incident that caused garner's death was well documented. he was confronted for selling untaxed cigarettes on the street. most of the incident was caught on camera. he was placed in a choke hold by officer daniel pant laya, after being spllammed on the sidewalk he told officers he couldn't breath and died instantly. choke holds are banned in 1993. new york city medical examiner ruled garner's death a homicide saying his asthma, obesity and heart disease contributed to

garner's death. new york city police are preparing for mass demonstrations following the grand jury decision today. mayor de blasio said people have the right to protest and the city will respect that. first of all, there's video evidence which clearly shows what happened, the new york city medical examiner ruled the death homicide and third officer broke department rules by putting garnner a choke hold. and into indictment for officer panteleo. he released this statement.

the other officers involved in the incident were given immunity. we have quite the discussion on this tonight. i want to know what you think, get out your cellphones, would you have voted an indictment if you were on the grand jury? text a for yes and b for no. we'll bring you results on that later in the show. want to bring in professor, attorney, and congressman. great to have all of you with us tonight. karen, you first. how could the grand jury possibly come to the conclusion that the officer in question did not cause the death of mr. garn zbl er. >> i could try explain that for an hour, i haven't read the transcripts but i can say police

officers are given great differenc. i look at three things. i'm not a grand jury i don't get all the facts and specifics. i can't be in their position. but what i can say is if you believe they followed police procedure, it doesn't rise to criminal ality. the jurors are looking criminally not just civil whether he was just a bad police officers. i think there's a lot of confusion over what police procedure is. if he broke it, if he was told to do what he was trained to do, as sad as that is, then joers aren't going to indict someone who is just doing their job doing what they were trained to do.

>> and what are your thoughts considering there was a tactic used by the officer that was banned by the nypd in 1993. >> i'm dumb founded by the fact they came back without an indictment given the fact this officer used a choke hold that had been banned. it was highly likely to cause great injury or death and did so in this case. the fact he didn't follow protocol should be at least criminal activity. i mean, people, you know, black america, and americans, should be fed up with officers being able to do this type of conduct and get away with it. it is totally unacceptable and something has to be done. i agree with our president. we need action. talk is over. >> congressmen, if this had not gone to a grand jury, as a

prosecutor, do you think you could have gotten a conviction? >> absolutely i know i could have got an indictment, because of how you opened your show, ed. the way i would have gone in is use the three elements, one there's a violation of police policy, that a choke hold is known to cause death, two, that the medical examiner ruled this a homicide, that the cause of death was the choke hold. so, i mean, just based on that, so, can you go to a jury, a grand jury where only probable cause has to be established. you don't have to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, all you have to do is show probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person accused is the one that committed that crime. because then you have the camera. you have the body cam. it wasn't a body cam. you have a better camera than a

body camera. showing what took place, a man being held on the ground, saying i cannot breath and there's no easing up. there were no aggressive moves by mr. garner, in fact he was settling back. folks were complaining and talking about members in congress and other places with their hands up, well hands up is symbolic for this all over america. because mr. garner's hands were up and he was moving back. but that choke hold is what killed him. that's how i think the case should have been present d to the grand jury and why i think the testimony and all of the proceedings that took place in the grand jury should be opened up and not secret. i would like to know whether the da asked the grand jury for an indictment when he finished presenting his case as most das to when presenting a case to the grand jury. >> how unusual is it having the video stap. >> it's not that unusual to have

videotape. it is unusual in police case to have such specific evidence and see frame by frame what was going on. what procedures were being followed. the one thing i see problem is everyone positive is calling it a choke hold. it wasn't defined as a choke hold but some other type of move. so there in could lies problems with sem antics. >> but the definition of a choke hold is to cut off the air passages. there's different kinds of choke holds. >> exactly. >> i'm asking you to to render judgment is this moopoor prosecr work? >> i think there should be a special prosecutor in these types of cases. need to keep it up and up. you have to bring in a special prosecut prosecutor. >> so daryl, what is wrong here?

what has to happen to get an indictment of a law enforcement office who are in the minds of the public, i think, is clearly wrong and goes against procedure. what does it take? if you can't get an indictment here where do you get it? >> i have to agree with the previous speaker. you have to have a special prosecutor with no connection to the community. think of what we're allowing to happen. we're allowing the prosecutor's office who deals with the same police department day in and day out and rely on them to prove their cases every day. they are not going to go in and go aggressively against that particular officer because more than likely will have eeskffect the other officers. >> so the remedy is what? a federal law that says when cops are involved people from the outside should be brought in. >> doesn't even have to be

federal law but states. >> congressmen is this the time for a presentation of a federal law. republicans now own the senate and house. they're not going to do something law enforcement doesn't want to have happen to them. seems the only way to remedy this relationship between prosecutors and police department is to have someone outside render judgment who has no connection to the police. what about that? >> i think unfortunately, especially those of us who want better america have to rely on federal government to look into the relationships especially with reference to the prosecutor in ferguson and stanton island so we can dig deeper into what did or didn't take place. >> there's such a conversation about body cameras. you got a lot of videotape and you still can't get an

indictment what the hell is a body camera going to do. >> that's what i said at the press conference. there's a big thing that body cameras will solve the problem, clearly it won't. like in this case who do you believe? your lying eyes or here it is clear, everything was there. so body cameras are not the answer. there's a deeper problem in america we got to resolve. >> my thought is this. the shame of this case is that you can see in the beginning of the videotape, him talking, the two police officers standing there, a trained professional police officer could have diffused that situation using psychology and the training you use in the academy, apparently was not used therex never had to happen. >> looking at this videotape, it's like, who wants to pick a fight with the cops. especially it looks like there's six or seven in the tape.

one in the front, behind, here comes the back up. >> what is the urgency? >> is it a training issue? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. a good police officer could have talked that man down. >> what about the medical examiner. coming to the conclusion that the cause of death is a homicide. is the medical examiner wrong. >> well anyone who is dieing at the hands of someone else is going to be ruled homicide. >> that's what i can't understand. how can the grand jury come to the conclusion that this man's death was not caused by the people who jumped you all over him? >> i don't know how they can come to that conclusion at all. i guess hopefully at some point we will learn how they came to that decision. obviously we'll never agree with them. because i agree we should believe our own eyes. it is rather clear what happened there. there's really not much that they could tell me to defend their action, when you have a

camera seeing this guy crying for help yet they continue to choke and kill him. this has to stop and it has to stop now. >> another one. karen please explain the immu immunity that the police officers were given. >> that's up to the prosecutor. they can give immunity to whoever they want so that's what happened here. we can go on and on about the fact judges elected versus ones appointed and whether or not that has a difference in the decisions that are made. >> if you could do one thing to render the problem what would it be. >> right now i think we have to call on all american citizens, every race, religion, and gender, and i think we need to have peaceful demonstrations and let individuals know that we need to have justice in america. for example i refer back to the

60s when you had bull conner and they were beating folks back then. no police officer was being arrested, no one was being indict indicted. we need americans to speak up and say we don't want this to happen because this is a violation of human rights right here in america. we talk about violation all over the world, we got to do it right here in america. >> would it be too much to ask that they explain to the country what the hell you were thinking when you did this. can we get some play by play and break it down why this is why i did this or why this officer, i think america needs an explanation here. if i'm a black kid on the streets of america and a couple cops come up to me, i'm thinking

today, this could go south really fast and i'm probably going to be pretty scared. we have to hear, i think, from the officers who were involved. they are the ones that have to explain to america right now what happened. thank you all for being with us. we'll talk more about this as we move along. remember to answer the question on the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter and like us on facebook. thanks for that. we will have much more on the eric garner case, mayor about to speak, that's live here on the "the ed show" nrz vp frsz .

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indict police officer in the death of eric garner. 23 members needed 12 votes. ifs . i am joined by congressmen al green of texas and reed. congressman, your reaction to this. is there a different reaction on capitol hill than maybe other news stories that have dealt with police incidents. >> well we are stunned. we are shocked. but we also believe there is a remedy for this. i am of the opinion that we must first let people know that what has occurred today is something that is unacceptable. we also have to say to people

that if we don't change this what we've said to people more specifically the police officers, is that this is okay. we're saying you can do this. we cannot allow the perception to exist that you can do this. we live in a world it's not enough for things to be right they must look right. it doesn't look right to go behind closed doors and get a no bill in a case like this. these cases don't have to go to grand juries. they can be taken to probable cause hearings before a judge and a judge can make a decision with the eyes of the world viewing. once we get that kind of tra transparen transparency, i believe we can get different results. let me add one more thing, we have a duty to bring this kind of behavior to an end. we cannot allow people in the world to see us continue to go through these kinds of deliberations and end up with no

results that people can understand. because we're not talking about a conviction but merely an arrest. a person being arrested. i don't know whether there will be a finding of guilt by a jury but i know there's probable cause to arrest. that's what we're talking about. >> police procedures on the street, congressman, every department seems to be different. some places choke holds are good, they are not good in new york city. is there a federal move on how people in the streets should be approached? and an officer goes through training, what about the training, how could all of those officers being trained to do what they did to this man and then defend it? >> we they will shouldn't have been trained to do what occurred. there should be additional review of training. we believe what the president is

propose something in line with what we need, that is additional training for peace officers. i think that's a good thing. not all officers should be condemned. this is not a broad bush we're painting with. we're talking about this incident now. we want to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again. i do concur with you there needs to be more training and i do also believe that if we do not take the time to talk to each other about these things, rather than yell at each other, we're not going to make the progress we need to get us beyond this debate. too often we're yelling at each other. people have gotten to the point they don't want people to protest. peaceful protest is a means by which people can express themselves. there's a movement in this country to prevent people who legitimately want to stand and protest peacefully from doing

so. people who commit crime it's ought to be prosecuted but we need to allow people to protest. >> what do you zbli i think people will be shocked and angry. i am no longer shocked. i have come to expect officers involved in situations like this s they will not get indicted and that is because of the experience decade after decade. the problem is training nor policy is relevant in this case of garner, that's because of the policy of the nypd says you may not use a choke hold and very specifically describes what a choke hold is and then the law and potential charges against an officer includes compression of the neck which was on the report that said this is a homicide by the medical examiner.

>> the law says there is a criminal charge that attaches to actual expression of the neck that causes death. very clear. if you can't get an indictment with all those facts and evidence and a videotape that means you can't get an diamet indictment of a police officer in any situation because this is the most obvious case for it. the reason that is important. the police are the government. has right to constrain using deadly force against the people. frac african-americans don't believe there is any constraining of authority against black people. that is not tenable. >> what you are describing for our audience tonight which is outstanding, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than a conversation to change what you just laid out.

there is going to have to be some real structural changes about the dos and don'ts of arresting officers. so how do we do that? >> i can tell you the history of the united states is there was a time when police forces knew they had impunity which is very important. i know a lot of police officers, everyone is trained and understands their training and understands what they are or are not supposed to do. but if you have the feeling that this prosecutor is our guy, we're going to be fine, the sense of impunity is something you can't train out of. what police officers are being taught by law is that prosecutors are their guy. even if that is not factual it is the public perception which is what makes law work. so you have to look to the past when local and state police were

not applying the law to black people the same as to white people. the federal government had to super impose order and law on them. the federal government needs to come in and say if there's deadly use of force against citizen it will be your guy. the federal government has a role to play. it's time for the federal government to weigh in. >> congressman your response? >> i absolutely agree. we do have to weigh in. >> do you think republicans would go on a federal level. >> i don't know if they will but the right thing to do is to ask and try to get it done. we can't continue to do what is being done. we can't law the perception to be this is all right, it's okay to do what you have done, because that's what we're saying when with you don't get an indictment or arrest. i would also add that ed, this kind of circumstance is

something that we can change. we have to have the will. a good prosecutor could have done it. we got to get prosecutors who are willing to fight for the rights of victims and not for the rights of people who are charged with the offense. the best defense attorney -- >> got to run, sorry. >> we're going to look live at stanton island new york and the mayor of new york city bill de blasio. >> community leaders here in stanton island. there's a lot of pain and frustration in the room this evening and a lot of purposefulness, everyone hear trying to address some of the

divisions that afflict us, particularly our brothers and sisters who are members of the clergy devoting themselves to comforting and supporting people in all sorts of situations, yet tonight there was a particular sense of challenge and of pain. i want to thank everyone who gathered together. i want to thank bishop brown for hosting us. i want to thank speaker and public advocate. special thank you to councilmember debbie rose who has been in the center of so much of what has happened in the last months to help people understand what we have to do to move forward but also to listen and absorb the pain and frustration so many people have faced. i know it has not been easy, councilmember, but i want to

thank you for your profound leadership and so many of the clergy that you have worked with who have been such important partners at reminding people we have to find a way forward and we have to find a way forward together by definition. it's a very emowitional day for our city. a very painful day for so many new yorkers. that's the core reality. so many member in the city are feeling pain right now. and we're grieving again. over the loss of eric garner who was the father, a husband, a son, a good man, a man who should be with us and isn't. that pain, that simple fact is felt again so sharply today. i spent some time with ben garner, eric's father, who is in unspeakable pain.

and it's a very hard thing to spend time trying to comfort someone you know is beyond the reach of comfort because of what he's been through. i can only imagine. i couldn't help but immediately think what it would mean to me to lose my son, life would never be the same after, i can feel how things will never be whole again for mr. garner. even in the midst of his pain one of the things he stopped to say so squarely is there can't be violence. eric would not have wanted violence. violence won't get us anywhere. he was so sharp and clear in his pain, it was noble, could only imagine what it took to summon

that. no family should have to go t o through what the garner family has gone through. the tragedy is personal to many of us, put in stark perspective the relation between police and the community. we have to address it with all our might. we can't stop. we have to act with the assumption that it is all of our jobs to never have a tragedy again. that's what we have to fight r for. this is profoundly personal for me. i was at the white house the other day and the president of the united states turned to me and he met dante a few months ago and said it reminded him of being a teenager. i said . >> he said i know you see this

crisis through a very personal lens and i said i did. we have talked to dante for years about the dangers he may face. good law-abiding young man who never would think to do anything wrong and yet because of the history that still hangs over us, the danger he may face, we have had to train him as families have all over for decades, in how to take special cares in any encounter with a police officer, who are there to protect thep. and that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first. our police are here to protect us and we have to honor that but at the same time there's a history, and there's a fear. for so many of our families there's a fear. so i've had to worry over the years. is dante safe each night. there are so many family who's

feel that in this city each and every night, is my child safe. not just from painful reality of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods, but safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors. that's the reality. and it conforms to something bigger that you've heard come out in the country, this is now a national moment of grief and pain, searching for a solution. people of all back grounds utter the same basic phrase, they say, black lives matter. they said it because it had to be said. it is a phrase that should never have to be said, it should be self-evident. but our history, sadly, requires

us to say that black lives matter. as i said the other day, we're not just dealing with 2014, not just years or decades of racism, we're dealing with centuries of racism that has brought us to this day. that's how profound the crisis is. that's how fundamental the task at hand is. to turn from that history and to make a change that is profound and lasting. in the hear ahere and now so ma yorkers will ask what will happen next. they will ask, will there be a full airing of these facts? will there be a investigation that means something to them. i think the truth is important here. one chapter has closed.

with the decision of this grand jury. more chapters ahead. the police department will now initiate its own investigation and make decisions about the administrative actions it can take. the federal government is clearly engaged and poised to act. just before the meeting began, leaders here on stanton island, i received a phone call from attorney general holder and u.s. attorney loretta lynch, they made clear that the investigation initiated by the u.s. attorney would now move forward and it would be done quickly with a clear sense of independence and that it would be a thorough investigation. it was palpable sense of resolve, the federal government

will exercise its responsibilities here and do a full and thorough investigation and draw conclusions accordingly. we've experienced one challenge after another in these last weeks. the events of ferguson may have more sharply framed this discussion nationally. what is happening in our own community is what we feel most deeply. it was hard for any of us as a human being and particularly anyone of us as a parent to not be deeply pained by the death of tamier rice in cleveland, 12-year-old boy, something that is very, very hard to fathom. arou and all of these pains add up. and demand of us action. it is powerful. even in the midst of this pain

that our president is acting. it is powerful that our pre president is focused on changing our approach to pleasing, and focus on body cameras as a new tool for accountability and transparency. it is powerful that our attorney general is focused. these things will matter. these things will lead to change. here in this city, change is happening, even at this moment when people are feeling, pain, frustration, and confusion, change is happening right now. i said in the meeting, change is happening because the people willed it to happen. we are leaders. we all strive to serve and help our people. but the people willed this change to happen. the people believed the broken policy had to end and the people

believed too many people of young color are arrested simply for a small amount of marijuana. that policy has been changed. the people demanded something different. it's my responsibility and the responsibility to everyone standing with me to achieve that on the behalf of the people. when i named our police commissioner braton i knew him to be and i knew more since to be one of the greatest reformers in the history of this country. i've seen that ability and values play out each and every day. we saw it today at the new york city police department academy where not only did we talk about what body cameras would mean, we talked about the retraining of the entire police force,

something that has never been done in this city before. we talked about helping our officers to understand different ways to diffuse confrontations. we talked about bringing our officers closer to the community from the point of their training, from the first moments of their experience as law enforcement officers. emphasizing the partnership they needed with the community. and i remind you, my faith in commissioner braton is based on the actions he has taken over decades and also based on the clarity of his message to all of us. he gathered his top commanders a few c weeks ago and and said publicly, the department will act aggressively to insure, any office who are is not meant to be in this work no longer is. he talked about those who don't live up to the values of the uniform, who are quote unquote

brutal. who are corrupt. who are racist. who are incompetent. this is our police commissioner making clear his standard that people who sadly fit those descriptions would not be members of the nypd. these changes will matter. they will effect millions of people. they will take time. but that does not in anyway an excuse or willingness on our part to do anything but the fastest change we can. it's an honest leveling with our people that not every change can happen overnight but three happening resideforcefully. each change builds po upon the . it doesn't come from city hall. it comes from the people of the

city who have demanded it. this change is about the values of our people, the will of our people, the goodness of our people. that's where change coulds from. that's where change comes from. and everyone has an opportunity to play a role in that change by continuing to work for it. that is across every community. i have to emphasize, i know it is true here, i have experience so i have evidence, this is coming from every community, coming from people of all faiths, who want a city of fairness. who want violence to end. who want no family to go through the tragedy the garners did. people will express themselves now, as they should in a

democracy. i ask everyone to listen to what ben garner said and what his son said as well, if you want to dig f nif fie -- dig nnify the life o garner you will not sully his name with violence or vandalism. that doesn't bring us closer to a better community. the only thing that has ever worked is peaceful protests, nonviolent social activism, it's the only thing that has ever worked and the garner and brown family has made that abundantly clear. people should listen to those we say we stand in solidarity with, fulfill their wishes and work for change the right now way. for change the right way. i want the to finish a couple more points and then i want to

say something in spanish before i depart. we, so many of us, steeped in the teachings of dr. king, or of many great leaders, perhaps no one more definitional in the work of social change and justice than dr. king, he said something so fundamental to remind us how to handle this moment. he said injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. this is a problem for all new yorkers and all americans. it has to be treated as such. any one who says to you this is a problem only felt by people of color or only pertinent to young people, what's going on here, it's all our problem. and anyone who believes in the values of this country should feel called to action right now. anyone who cares about justice.

that american value of justice. should understand it is a moment that change must happen. change change that is as good as the people that we represent. i have a message in spanish. [ speaking native language ]. >> reacting to the grand jury's decision not to indict a police officer from the new york police department calling eric garner a good man who should still be with us and drawing on his personal experience of raising a son of color. he is of course in an interracial marriage and has been for years and talked about the very personal experience of counselling his son on protecting himselves. black lives matter is the theme that could be taken from that

short press conference over in stanton island and also the mayor saying there will be a investigation that he has spoken with the u.s. attorney and attorney general lynch and holder and that there will be more chapters, this is just one chapter. and also making a plea to abide by the law and peacefully protest. that's how you get things done. there are people gathering at time square and union square tonight. i'm sure there will be thousands of people out tonight. very effective. i thought mr. deblasio drawing on his personal experience of what it is like to be a parent of a son with color and what we're facing. your impression. >> i this it is very important he does that because bill can understand the personal fear that parents lick myself and husband feel for our young black boys and teens.

some not even thought of as boys, think of rice. and understand if the worse should happen to your child, the chance of you getting justice will depend on a prosecutor who needs the police, who works with the police, who depends on the police and who will accept often times uncritically, the version of events by an officer who in fairness is fighting to save his own freedom. so it becomes opper ative regardless of witnesses or evidence. they need the police. they need their trust. they need their loyalty. if they are then not going to accept what the officer says that goes to the society because we have a society that would rather demonize your child than not believe what the officer

said. that is not a tenable situation. society depends on people buying into the social compact. if we don't believe there is real jufltis the killing, socie can't function. >> let's bring in our guests. >> where are you right now? i was told, tell us what the scene is where you are. >> i'm outside of the courthouse here in staten island. and the tone is thinned out a little bit. earlier there was a sense of release and letdown. not so much anger but hopelessness. in mayor de blasio's speech, he talked about the contradiction of raising his sons and how to deal with police officers there to protect him. i spoke with a vietnam veteran earlier today and said there is a contradiction even here in this liberal bastion, some would

say the most liberal mayor in the country. you have a systemic issue here. mayor de blasio has supported a broken windows policy that has police targeting very aggressively low level and minor offenses, which was the architect of, it was architect by his commissioner. so many say the very situation that led to eric garner's death was the overpolicing of the community of color but also this very aggressive targeting of low level offenses. some would say there is a contradiction here. while there needs to be massive change within the department, and within society, it starts with the way police are policing the community and interacting. >> what is your response to the grand jury not indicting the officer in question today? what does this mean in the big picture? and putting that in perspective on the heels of your meeting with the president at the white house earlier this week? >> this is what i expected. i've had several interviews

after the president decided to roll out what he decided to do with the body cameras and the $263 million budget for the body cameras. and i put a comment that putting a camera on a police officer isn't going to provide anything of a game tape of me being murdered. as we say the entire incident was recorded. but there still won't be an indictment. just me being completely transparent, there are two sets of laws in this country. one for black and brown people. and one for police officers. they talk about crime in the neighborhoods and this is why things happen. our neighborhoods normally have a higher crime rate. but following reflects leadership. how can you expect anyone in their right mind to follow the laws that you're supposed to uphold if you don't follow laws yourself? they say police officers have the right to go home. i believe every american citizen in this country has the right to go home. and the fact that they take word of police officers over average

everyday humans, the same with politicians, as if they're immune to sin. as if they're god. and it is sickening to me. >> let's talk about the videotape that is constantly being played of the incident that transpired on july 17th the death of eric garner. what does this do to the emotions of america? despite there was no indictment, it is so terribly damaging. what do you think this videotape means moving forward? >> it means it is absolutely legal to kill a black person whenever you feel like it if you're a police officer. it is legal in the united states of america to hang and lynch people without color without any accountability. >> now that you've had a few days to think about this, and post your meeting at the white house, give us a solution. what do you think should be or

has to be done. >> the solution is accountability. that i can be invited as an unsigned rapper, someone without a college degree, and sit in the oval office with the first african-american president of the united states and he agrees that there is a problem and he tells us he is proud of us and he respects everything we're doing, but we have yet to have a conversation with our governor, or with our mayor, and him get up there and acknowledge, there is an issue just like mayor de blasio just did and salute to him. i sat in a second meeting with him as well. people need to, there's a serious issue with accountability. we need to be able to hold these police officers accountability. to with held to federal purse them shouldn't be spending more taxpayer dollars to issue body cameras. it should be standard issue like a taser. especially if they can jump grade every year. that should be standard issue. we need to be able to hold them accountable. the feds need to come in and

indict and hold individual indictments when these situations occur. stop sitting on your hands, waiting on the governors and the grand juries to make a decision when they're pre dominantly filled with people who don't care if we die every day. >> what would you say to protesters tonight? >> keep the fight alive. stay peaceful but keep fighting. we can't stop even if there was an indictment we can't stop. an indictment won't stop people from continuing to do. this it won't stop people to continue to target us, harass us, rob us, murder us, and shoot us down in the middle of the street like we're third class citizens. keep fighting. >> how do you know when there is change? how do you know? what has to happen? okay. we've had this conversation until we're exhausted on it. but change is what? change is police officers not doing what they did? and how do we know when that happens? >> change is people who look

like me having their freedom to walk down the street and buy a pack of skittles and a tea from the store. change is people who look like meyers, able, having the freedom to be able to go to their local corner store and get a sandwich and make it back home without being shot in the back six times, being chased by a police officer who is off duty, performing a stop and frisk. change is not being cursed out by an officer who is supposed to support, serve and protect the community because you're in the middle of the street and you're on your way to your grand mother's house. change is me not being pulled over with people in the car just because we're peaceful protesters and being surveillanced and having guns put to our heads and tell us not to ask any more questions before people to have protest for us. change is us being able to work every day and earn a decent wage. not being paid $7.25 an hour and

we can actually feed ourselves. change is going to a corporation is that applying for a job and being qualified and not being overlooked strictly because of the target we was born. with change is us being treated like citizens of this country. >> i appreciate your time tonight. >> i turn now to darrell parks, attorney for the brown family. what is the federal process here now? where do you see this going? what can the attorney general and the u.s. attorney do? >> well, the experience that i've had and both trayvon martin and michael brown, that the federal government has the ability to bring as many agents as they need to the area to interview the people who are involved in this case. they have ability to lose all the laboratory and all the scientific equipment available to the fbi that some departments don't have to investigate this case. so they have asset that's are far bigger than most, obviously

new york is a very big place. but they have the ability to bring the agents, to have the u.s. attorney's office, as well as to use the resources available to the department of justice and see whether it is the civil rights division or a criminal division. >> so eric holder will do what? what do you -- what should he do at this point? and it would seem to me, since the country is focused on this, time is of the essence. >> i'm pretty sure he already has made it clear to the u.s. attorney there in this case, i'm sure they have agents on the ground. i'm sure they have u.s. attorneys assigned to this case. i'm sure they have u.s. attorneys from d.c. assigned to this case and working on this case. i'm quite sure they are on top of this issue. i must say, it's been quite impressive, what attorney general holder has done and his leadership and a fair investigation. it is not a complete indictment on the officers but it assures the government the federal

government is on the job and doing a proper investigation in this case. >> good what he was talking about was police procedures. they believe, you know, the protesters out there, people of color in this country think that there is a real heavy handed operation taking place in law enforcement in this country. and how do you change that? >> i think what he was talking about was being an american and feeling fully a citizen. and feeling like the laws are applied equally to you. it is not just the laws are just but seem to be just. i think he eloquently stated. for 1/7 of the country there is a feeling the law is not just. but for the grace of god. if this awesome power, lethal, deadly power in the hands of the state's armed arms gets turned on some other group, they will understand what we're talking about here. and remember that the law has to be applied in a way that no one fears that cover happen to them. i think the federal government has taken over police forces.

they've come in before. federal is the way to go. the solution has to come from the federal government. thank you so much. that's the ed show. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for tuning in. news tonight, no indictment in the nypd chokehold death of grand jury not bringing charges against officer daniel pantaleo in the death of eric garn he. he was confronted by police officers for selling loose cigarettes. a minor, nonviolent offense. and it led to this. >> don't touch me. do not touch me. [ bleep ]