being asked and rightfully so. >> shame! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> america is telling me that my life absolutely does not matter as much. >> with this tape there's no probable cause? >> what i saw was a man struggling to breathe, who expired. >> if you're speaking, you can breathe. >> the police used excessive force. >> mr. garner made a choice that resist arrest. >> his life was taken. >> there is a pattern here. do many americans feel unfairness when it comes to the gap when it comes to ideals and how laws are applied. >> the justice is simply not there. >> we're talking about a moral right to live without fear, being unfairly attacked. >> it's a reawakening about the cause of justice.

>> a death caught on camera, one seen by the nation has sparked what some are calling a national civil rights movement. >> following yesterday's grand jury decision not to indict the new york city police officer involved in the choke hold death of eric garner, massive protests took place in new york city and across the country with many chanting garner's final words, "i can't breathe." a national protest is planned for next saturday in washington, d.c. earlier today president obama addressed the public for the second time in 24 hours echoing his earlier concerns for americans who have lost faith in the american justice system. this afternoon attorney general eric holder announced the results of an investigation concluding that police in cleveland has demonstrated a pattern of excessive force and he spoke against need to restore trust between police and the communities they serve. >> the tragic losses of these and far too many other americans including just last month, the

shooting death of 12-year-old tam irrice in cleveland have raised urgent national questions and they've sparked important conversation about the sense of trust that must exist between law enforcement and the communities that they serve and protect. >> here in new york city a series of press conferences were held on the garner decision. mayor bill de blasio announced a new chapter for new york city. it's police and their communities. a lot of people yesterday felt a lot of pain, a lot of frustration. my message to people was take that pain and frustration and work for change. and the relationship between police and community has to change. the way we go about policing has to change and it has to change in the city and it has to change in this country. i am fundamentally convinced it will change. people need to know that black lives and brown lives matter as

much as white lives. we are all responsible now. the weight of history can't be our excuse. >> hours earlier, a group of civil rights leaders criticized the grand jury decision and called for 2015 to be a year of action for justice and jobs. we cannot stand and we cannot sit and we refuse to watch and we are committed to action that will bring about meaningful change. >> we need to first centralize and be focused that the federal government must do in the 21st century what it did in the mid-20th century. >> it is a movement that has been ignited and it will not -- it will not go away until justice is served. >> one person's injustice is another person's justice. case in point, new york city's largest police union which held its press conference earlier today defending the grand jury decision and the officer involved.

>> it was a just decision. a difficult decision, we understand, but it was a just decision, why? because it was based on the facts that were on the table. not what's going on in the street or not what others may want it to be. >> we're talking about a police officer that lives in the city, does what he was trained to do, literally an eagle scout. he's the model of what we want a police officer to be. >> joining me now is president of dmost, heather mcgee and michael eric dyson. ? heather, you and i have talked a lot about unions and the important role they play, but here we have the police union saying something that is distressing to a lot of folks that watch this. are you confident that this police union can reform itself in the way it might need to? >> am confident that any group of workers can decide to express what those workers wish and, unfortunately in too many police -- in too many police departments across the country, there is a culture of a lack of accountability. there is a culture of at least implicit bias, if not explicit

bias and importantly, there are policies that encourage excessive arrests that encourage excessive violence and that's what the police officer's union is expressing and is the culture, unfortunately, of too many in the police department. >> professor dyson, we've been thinking about you this week. you had a very big article in "the new york times" on sunday talking about our national response to this. i thought what amy davidson wrote in "the new yorker" today was particularly provocative and worth discussing. she contends that a central issue in cases like this is the failure to fully value black lives, but we should also ask about a companion problem. an overweighting of what white intensions. officer pantaleo says he didn't want to kill anyone. officer wilson was scared. each of them might still have been charged with a crime. >> there's no question that the overweighting of white intention

suggesting the moral don sequence or legal effect of a particular act depends upon what the white person intended and in this case, the white police officer. my pastor told me when i was a child, a mosquito doesn't intend to do anything, it intends to extract blood, but it may give you malaria. what you intend to do may not ends up what is happening. white intensions is not only the problem. it's the absolving of white culpability and responsible by referring to white intention and that's part of the problem as ms. davidson is suggesting there and we have to wrestle with that. >> heather tweets. this is a tweet that so many people have retweeted. this isn't the fault of police. police act at the society's behest. police don't need retraining. america needs retraining. >> well, he's right in the sense that, you know, this all began with someone who was not a

police officer and the national intention to this issue and what that case turned on and whether or not someone was afraid of a black person and that is one of the central premises of the entire nation since slavery is the fear of black people and particularly black men. so -- >> and to use that to absolve crime. if that's the standard, then you can see how frustrating it is for african-american, to say what more can i do if i'm going to always be judged by whether or not it's reasonable by someone to use a stereotype. >> it just seems so insurmountable at times like this. is this something that african-americans have lived with since the founding of the country? >> so what is the beginning of the process of reversal? >> you've got to have a bifocal approach here, don't you? you have to look at the big picture and the cosmic change you have to have which are

conversations on race, and sexual orientation and you talk about the traditions and energies and you have people constantly trying to argue back and forth about the future of this country while being governed by principles of justice, but you have to focus on the small stuff, too, which is interactions between police departments and its citizens and in changing america, retraining it, it happens at the level of school. it happens with parents and it happens with the will and desire to want to see this change, but here's what i'm afraid of. not until something happens in the broader white america does it become a problem significant enough for the majority of americans to take seriously. >> right. and what i mean here is that when this pain begins to be shared in the broader community, when young people say, for instance, who have meth labs on college campuses are granted implicit immunity end up being shot by the police, you can darn bet right then that this will be a problem. this has to be something shared

by others. martin luther king said i'm not russian, but if there were problems in russia i would speak out. imagine themselves as black people as much as they can to generate empathy to say they must speak up and they must demand changes in their own communities to go along with what's happening and i thought de blasio yesterday by saying black lives and brown lives matter makes a big difference because when that language gets repeated by white tongues, white brains can follow suit and white souls can at least be trained in a different way. >> it's a really good point. even the footage of protesters. seeing white folks and black folks and asian folks out there on the street. it sounds pretty basic, but it's really important in showing this is a shared person problem. >> absolutely. i was going to say that's what was so beautiful. i was in the streets last night, as well. it felt like, for once, the country saying, this is the case in ferguson with people of many

different races feeling deeply compelled to speak out that we are one people and that a threat to any one of us actually is a threat to all of us and that we all have a much higher ideal for what we can be to one another and what everyone deserves that this is the real american crucible is can we figure out how to live as a multi-racial democracy and i'm very encouraged because the fact is that people being killed by the police since this nation was founded and certainly since the rise of mass incarceration and broken windows and the police state and war on drug, but what is new right now is not deaths like eric garner or mike brown. those are not new deaths. what is new is that people all over the country are lifting up their voices. we need to take heart in the moment that we have wall to wall coverage of this issue that has been around for decades. >> for a long time. >> and feel a lot of hopeful optimism about where we are

right now. >> professor dyson, we also have as we talk at this particular moment a black attorney general and a black president and reverend al sharpton is calling on the federal government to be as involved in the 21st century as it was in the 20th. >> optimism is a shallow thing. hope is deeper because hope hopes against hope. optimism is based upon what you can see. i think the president of the united states of america has to stop the grammar that is noncommittal. he's got to step up and say not that people have an impression or a sense that something is wrong or people feel. when he begins to stop and he begin ts to start saying, it is wrong for police officers to kill unarmed citizens and we have a culture in the nation and then we get a signal that something is wrong. as long as the president is waffling by suggesting that some people may have an impression, we won't get the bully pulpiting that he is supremely and brilliantly capable of. >> heather mcgee and professor

michael eric dyson. always good to see you both. thanks for your time. >> thank you. after the break the white house has ready to formally announce the secretary of defense. anyone chosen will have no influence whatsoever. you're welcome. wo one week until government shutdown, the republican-led house is hard at work, voting on a bill to scold president obama. that is ahead on "now." how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪

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tomorrow morning here at the white house the president will host an event to announce his nominee to be the next secretary of defense. >> and so it's official. tomorrow the white house will

formally announce its replacement for departing secretary of defense chuck hagel following hagel's very awkward good-bye last week. president obama who never fires anybody showed hagel the door in a hastily arranged press conference. there are really only two rows of people there that made only one person in the room grimace. since then, the cessation talk was focused on ashton carter, and the fact that he was one of the only candidates willing to take the job. carter will have, well, very little sway. >> this president only wants yes men and all of the decisions are only being made within a tight circle and none of whom have any idea about national security, by the way. i just hope he realizes that if he takes a job he will not have influence just as his three predecessors did on national security policy. as long as he understands that, then so be it. >> with jobs like these who needs jobs?

while the white house is notorious for running its foreign policy and defense decisions from the oval office. carter whose chief expertise can still end up fulfilling an important role. he will oversee a much-needed overhaul of the country's nuclear program and may be able to use his good relations on the hill to commit members of congress to sign on to a nuclear deal with iran. >> joining me now is senior military correspondent for the huffington post, david wood and michael scherer. >> michael, let me just ask you, i did not realize this is the president's -- ashton carter may be the fourth defense secretary for this administration. is the fourth time the charm, in your opinion? >> well, it will probably be the last one. in that way it probably is a charm. there's two big issues here that ashton carter will have to deal with and one is this issue of the relationship between the pentagon and the white house and this concern about micromanagement and a concern

about not enough independence being given to the pentagon and the second is what is really the strategy for isis in the middle east and it's pretty clear that this is going to be a continuing, evolving story and no one really knows where it's going to end up right now. we have a situation where the white house has said we have to make it a priority to destroy isis, but we have the military campaign that is not actively destroying isis. it's best drawing to a standstill so something will have to change over the next year and we don't really know where that's going to go, and i think where ashton carter will find himself is in the middle of this fight that you've seen already boiling into public view over the last several months where the pentagon wants more freedom to do things that it knows will be effective there, but the president doesn't want to do for political represents like put troops on the ground. >> dave, what do you make of john mccain's assertion that ash carter seems like a nice guy and he'll have absolutely no say in

dictating what we do in terms of defense? >> what i make of it, alex, is that it's going to be an exciting time for us journalists because there will be a lot of drama stirred up with ash carter when he takes over the pentagon and john mccain when he takes over the arms services committee. one of the flash points will be over money. you know sequestration will kick off next year and we expect it to. the money for the pentagon runs out next week, as you pointed out and there's no time to do any long-range cerebral planning of which ash carter is a champion and there's lots of other structural budget problems and basically the pentagon is running out of money and so the whole budget planning process is stumbling over itself which means there will be cost overruns and delays and acquisition programs and john mccain hates delays and overruns. >> so it's going to be spectacular. >> are you telling me john mccain isn't patient? i'm kidding.

michael, let me ask you in terms of the iran nuclear deal which could be the foreign major policy accomplishment in the two years of the obama presidency. are you confident that ash carter can buy more time to negotiate the deal? that seems to be a good question mark. >> i don't think he'll have a problem getting confirmed and i'm not sure he'll be a point person and the deck right now is probably stacked against the administration and it will depend on how that deal rolls out. most of the senate is willing to give the president and the white house some leeway to work towards a deal. if things start to get sloppy, though or start to break down or if the final deal are one that people can object to, ash carter will be the key point person and that's the president's thing to

handle, i think. >> dave, you started talking about the cerebral nature or the cerebral skills of ash carter. >> i was just going to say, alex. he's got his big boy pants on. he's a heavy weight and a steady hand and he knows his way around the pentagon. he's been a major player for national security in this town for more than 30 years. he's not an easy guy to push around and i wouldn't be surprised if the pentagon is able to give a little pushback against the white house on the issues that he chooses to take on, but again, there's a colossal mountain of problems that he's going to have to deal with and he's going to have to pick and choose. >> is he a hawk, dave? there's been a lot of talk about a paper he wrote in 2006 advocating for involvement in north korea. how would you classify him on the spectrum? >> look, i don't think those labels apply anymore because the national security threat we face are so different from what we faced even ten years ago. what analysts are starting to

call gray war which we've seen in ukraine with the sort of slow motion and denied russian invasion of the sovereign country and it's very hard to put traditional military assets against that kind of thing. so whether we call him a hawk or not, he's going to have to grapple with these new forms of warfare which are very, very difficult especially at a time when there are all of these other problems he's got to handle. >> dave wood and michael scherer, thank you for your thoughts. >> thanks, alex. first came the women and then the u.s. navy. bill cosby's latest problem is next. (vo) nourished. rescued. protected. given new hope. during the subaru "share the love" event, subaru owners feel it, too. because when you take home a new subaru, we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. we'll have given 50 million dollars over seven years.

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of allegations just keeps growing. yesterday three women, two of them for the first time came forward and accused bill cosby of sexually assaulting them in the '70s and '80s. they are calling on cosby to create a $100 million fund for his alleged victims or else face them in civil court. together they bring the total number of accusers to at least 20. we should note that cosby has not been charged with the crime and has denied allegations in the past. just ahead, did john boehner finally just call a vote on immigration? sort of. i'll explain next on "now." i have a cold

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so there. the bill has basically no chance of becoming law, making it a symbolic exercise that is ironically infuriating to the likes of ted cruz. >> doing what you promise doesn't mean as it so often does in washington, sending a really stern letter and having a meaningless show vote. why do you think people are so frustrated with washington? >> one reason might be that republican lawmakers are holding show votes instead of working out a spending bill to avert government shutdown. the house will wait until early next week just days before the deadline to vote on a so-called spending bill that gives short-term funds to the department of homeland security and despite human cry of the steve kings and michele bachmanns. speaker boehner said his raucous caucus has nothing to complain about. >> we listen to our members and

we listen to some members that they're griping the most. this was their idea of how to proceed. >> howard feinman and frank bruney. good to see you both here. >> howard, what is going to happen? is there going to be a government shutdown? i think there's far too much sort of generally complacent attitudes among republicans. oh, it will be fine and democrats will help us out in the end. >> >> i think if they're lucky there won't be a government shutdown. i think behind the scenes and really out front, harry reid and nancy pelosi and white house officials are saying maybe we'll work with you a little bit on this cromnibus thing which is the worst theology in washington. >> birthed from a cronut. >> no one with the possible exception of ted cruz and the hot heads really want a

government shutdown. the republicans know it's bad for them. the democrats want regular order so i think they're going to try to plassage something on that bill about spending for the department of homeland security for a few months? at least that's the plan, and of course, as you know, in washington even weird plans get screwed up. so i wouldn't bet the house -- >> even sure things get screwed up. >> here's what i don't understand, right? there is a general acceptance that the whole immigration thing is a tricky thing for the government party and yet, heritage action that outside conservative groups that will score this bill and it is calling it a blank check for amnesty. the bill that intends to withhold funding for the department of homeland security. they are calling a blank check for amnesty. hal rogers a month ago had a proposal to rescind funds for the president's executive action again. heritage action called that a blank check for amnesty.

even the bill designed to stymie the froms is called a blank check for amnesty, how do you get anything done in your party. >> i'm listening to you and i feel like i'm having a bad dream of sorts. >> that's usually what people feel when they listen to me. >> we're having the same conversation we had before the midterms and it was in many ways of voter disgust and not with any one party in particular, with the whole system and we derived a lot of lessons that were true and some less true and the bottom line is people hate the way washington is working and we're seeing the same thing we saw six months ago and you wonder what is ever going to break this? >> we have breakingish news. harry reid said he is not going to take up the house bill in the senate. okay. we're back to that starting point. >> that part of it is not surprising. what ted cruz is complaining about this wasted symbolic vote, he wants his own -- >> that's all ted cruz wants. >> ted cruz complaining about

it, does anyone remember the green eggs and ham filibuster? what did that accomplish? >> it issic thisser than a seven-layer cronut. >> this is a very caloric segment. >> nancy pelosi and they're not happy about doing a short extension on human -- on homeland security, but they'll accept it if they have to because it will then give the president and pelosi and harry reid another chance to beat up on the republicans the next time the republicans try this. >> each one of these pieces of brinkmannship is really bad for the republican party. >> so far. so far. >> i think boehner understands that. >> he's in the same position he's always in where he's trying to do something that looks responsible. >> we talked about how obama will care about his legacy, and there are several other people

in washington and he's once again trying to see what he can do with the same element that's been fighting him all these years. >> mitch mcconnell, a man we love to talk about, howard, went and had a meeting at president obama and he, too, cares about his legacy. he does not want to be the new senate majority leader that presides over another government shutdown. >> it's still the existing congress. in january, when the republicans then have a pretty -- looks like it will be a 54-vote majority in the senate he's going to be on the spot and he's going to be playing, if i can use an ancient reference here. he's going to be playing the dean wormzer role. >> is that animal house? >> this is the third time, howard has brought up dean wormzer. >> i only knew it because i read something about the fraternity. >> i'm obsessed with it because john boehner has been the punching bag dean of students, you know, while people are taking over the administration building. >> yes. that's going to be mitch

mcconnell come january and i'll tell you what, mitch mcconnell is a little stern -- he plays a little rougher. >> than people understand. >> than john boehner does. john boehner is essentially a nice guy and i don't think mitch mcconnell would like to be accused of being a nice guy and he'll have to take on ted cruz and that will be one of the big dram as of the coming year. >> mitch mcconnell fan here. >> kentucky. >> so, frank, the underlying truth to all of this is that republicans would actually like, secretly or behind closed door, they expect that this executive action is legal and also it conveniently takes immigration off the table ahead of 2016. sure. i believe the american prospect said this week, however much they oppose the move in the first place, undoing the executive action, and no

republican has said let's start deporting -- >> and we keep talking about republicans as if it's one unified group of people. most would agree with everything you just said and the problem with washington and the problem baner is dealing with is a minority of republicans and one of the questions that we have to ask ourselves, is how is it that such a small group of people get to muck everything up in such a major way? >> and the theory is he'll have a bigger majority in the house that will give him more leeway to lose votes. upon. >> i don't think i get the sense he's leading them. >> if you study new people on his side, it's not like they're george h.w. bush, republicans. >> or even george bush. >> the answer is steve king. okay. the radical anti-immigration guy who controls western iowa for the republican party and all of the people who want to run for president including ted cruz are

cozying up to him for the most part and that is the inverted nature of politics in washington right now. steve king, the congressman from western iowa is essentially running the show. >> the cantaloupe king sits on the throne. howard feinman -- >> i promise never to mention dean wormser. >> it's always good to see you. >> frank king. >> part two of our series, the invisible us. we'll take you to the front lines at the fight against hunger. that is just ahead. everyone has questions about money. you know, i think about money kind of a lot. -money's freedom. -money's always on my mind. credit cards. -mortgage. -debt. it's complicated. it's not easy. i'm not a good budgeter. unfortunately, i'm a spender. i would love to learn more about finances. so there's questions about the world that all of us have,

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56 million. that is the number of meals low-income new yorkers lost in 11 months alone after congress allowed $5 billion in food stamp funding to expire last year. in the latest installment of our invisible us series, i talked to the people most directly affected by those cuts. this isn't walmart. there are no shopping carts in the aisles or price checks over the loudspeaker. in fact, very few people ever see this 90,000 square-footwear house with canned and fresh food stacked three stories high, but one in five people in america's largest city depends on food from this facility. >> out of every five new yorkers, one of them relies on

this food and receives this food. it is massive. there is 1.5 million new yorkers who we serve every year. >> margaret heads this warehouse. the food bank for new york city. it's the largest food bank in america and it supplies 1,000 soup kitchens and food pantries. the people who need this food will surprise you? >> it's just regular folks. it's folks who you may go to work with,er who probably keeping your children, who go to school with your kids. this is just a regular story of america that's becoming more and more prevalent. >> this wasn't always the regular story in america. at some point last year, 49 million americans didn't have enough food to feed everyone in their household. that is 13 million more people than in 1998. in three decades, america's emergency food programs have soared from a few hundred to

50,000. not all of them are massive operations like the one in new york city. in eastern kentucky, outreach keeps its food in the back of a thrift store. >> most of this side is food. >> donated food is stored anywhere there's space. meals can be made out of just about anything the center receives. >> these are all rems, ready to eat meals. the children love these. >> that's what they serve in the army, isn't it. >> this is what we're giving the children because they have nothing else to eat. >> nine years ago, she started outreach as a backpack food program for children. >> our first priority is the backpacks, the children. >> a lot of times, children have said that when they leave school friday that they don't get fed again until monday morning until they get back to school. >> these are america's silent struggle, but you would aren't think so in washington. >> the axe falls for more than 47 million americans struggling to put food on the table. >> congress allowed the first across the board food stamp cuts ever.

slashing $5 billion from the program. the food bank for new york city tracked the impact of those cuts 11 months later. >> 60% of our members, these are soup kitchens and food pantries, the last stop for people in need have reported that they've run out of food. now last year, this was the time of the cuts and it was 48%. so we know that it's getting worse, not better. >> that's what i can get. >> james dean is a 63-year-old food stamp recipient in brooklyn. >> i find myself more and more often robbing peter to pay paul, cutting short the con ed bill to pay the gas bill. >> right. >> he now goes to st. john's bread and life to help him and his wife make ends meet. >> it sounds scary. >> yes. >> it's scary to have to live like that. >> that's right.

and it's not only happening to black people. it's happening to asians, caucasians. it's all over the country. >> when the food bank for new york city was founded, it was expected to be temporary. 31 years later it's hard for many to imagine surviving without it. >> soup kitchens was supposed to be for homeless men and now more and more, you're seeing families seated around their dinner table and the table happens to be located at a soup kitchen. >> back with me is frank bruney. joining us is director of the documentary, a place at the table, thank you both. >> lori, we talk a lot about the middle class and we talk about the poor and the wealth. increasingly, the problems of the poor are becoming the problems of the middle class and hunger is blind. as we've delineated them. going hungry, not being able to put food on the table is a middle-class problem in this country. >> it's funny when we were making the film we tried to get

into a soup kitchen that served people who were sort of middle class and even in some cases, formerly supper middle class and they asked us not to come because they knew that their clients would stay away that day if they knew there were cameras. we were never able to get it. there was so much shame because we do so much, i think our leaders spend so much time blaming and pointing fingers and speaking about people as if somehow they made really bad choices. the truth is people who are working and still can't put enough food on the table because they're working low-wage jobs or they're out of work. >> when you think of poverty robbing people of dignity. the root of that is the question of food, to not be able as a parent to put dinner on the table is exacts an emotional toll they think no -- aside from losing your house and not having a place to go home, it is right down there as the lowest in terms of where we are.

>> i think hunger is the most powerful symbol of need and i think it's powerful that you showed this. we are in an era and i was for a long time guilty of copious food journalism and we talked about food all of the time and we're constantly watching people cook on tv. the biggest food story there is is the one we tell the least, and there are a lot of people who can't wonder about making ina's recipe or rachael ray's recipe because they don't know what to eat. >> the hujer question, and you know this from your work. when you talk to people about it their eyes glaze over because they don't understand the scope of it. the fact that one in two children in this country. this wealthy, wealthy country with the surplus of food is going to need federal food assistance, that will totally reshape the debate in washington. >> it's pretty shocking. the u.s. ranks dead last among developed nations on food security. we're last, we're behind

countries like greece and slovenia. it's kind of amazing when you think about it. we're wealthier, but we have the biggest hunger crisis and it's wonderful that we talk about it at this time of year, but we should be talking about it in february when the budget cuts are proposed. we should be talking about it in summertime who those kids who rely on a school meal get nothing. we should be talking about it all year and because we talk about it in the public's mind as a charitable issue. >> instead of an ongoing, social issue. >> instead of it as a charitable context and a great nation shouldn't aspire to food banks. >> and also the cascade effect that hunger has on education, innovation, jobs and security. our economy is tied to people not being hungry. if they're hungry, they can't work. if they're hungry they can't learn. i wonder, frank, what do you think accounts for the disconnect between the political leaders and the voters?

and people who are experiencing this? >> the biggest thing is we live apart in this country and more and more is being written in this. we play a part, we live apart and surf on the internet apart. the disconnect is our political leaders don't live in an america that's hungry. none of us live in an america that's hungry. most of the people who vote don't live in an america that's hungry. the disconnect is a simple matter of not having any sense of it. i don't think americans are a cruel people. i think there are people that often have blinders on. >> yeah. when you look, we went to this one outreach program in eastern kentucky in one of the poorest places in the country and they're on food stamps and they're literally gathering whatever they can to give to children who will not eat a meal until they go back to school on monday. they're giving away army rations and that's how desperate the situation is in those parts of the country. >> that jives with our

experience making the film. >> we met people who were one character in the film, a wonderful hot mother. she had a hot pocket in her house. she had two children and herself to feed. a hot pock ellet. voters have to educate themselves and we could end this and this is shocking when people learn that it is a solvable problem. we have policies that are in place now, snack, it works. wic which feeds pregnant women and baby, it works. the earned income tax credit, that enables people to eat. the best defense against hunger is for people to understand is the only reasons the policies are eviscerated is because the leaders are counting on the public to not know that. >> this is a conversation we obviously can and will have later on in the year. it is great to talk with you both. at this particular moment, frank

bruni and lori, thanks for your time. after we aired the first part of the invisible us, we started getting messages about how to help. we had the outreach food backpack program. since then, msnbc viewers have donated over $2,000. if you break that down. one backpack of food provides seven meals to feed a child for when he or she leaves school on friday until he or she returns to class on monday. that one weekend of food costs just $5. your donation so far will pay for 3,000 meals and it will feed one child every weekend for more than eight years. to find out more about that program and how you can support it today, head to msnbc.com/backpack. coming up, north korea just de-kim jong-un ified itself. not in the way you may think. that's next. ur auto insurance premium every month on the dot.

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