high-stakes attempt to free somers. somers was there but something tipped off al qaeda. a shootout erupted. the terrorists shot somers and the other hostage. they were clinging to life when s.e.a.l.s evacuated them to safety but both died of their injuries. somers' body will be returned home for burial tomorrow. also south african teacher pierre korkie. the american ambassador to south africa says washington did not know what the progress of those negotiations. all this happening as american embassies and military bases around the world are on high alert. senate dems are set to release an in-depth report on the cia's use of torture under president obama but there are fears that's what's in that report might provoke violence overseas. those details are due out tomorrow. six guantanamo bay detainees have been transferred to uruguay, the largest transfer since 2012. let's start with the rescue

attempt and nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. how is the white house evaluating its use of special ops following this special mission? >> reporter: they believe that all of these missions have been carried out flawlessly. if anything, they're redoubling -- doubling down on their intention to conduct these kinds of raids because they believe, first of all, americans should try to free -- free fellow americans when they are being held. more than that, they are not going to change their policy on ransom. the united states has stated unequivocally that they believe that just gives al qaeda, isis, other groups incentive to take more hostages. so, without the ability to ransom hostages, they want to send a message to other governments as well as to families that this is what they're going to do. that they are committed to rescuing american hostages. now, there has been, as you probably know, toure, an ongoing

review since the summer that looks specifically at the relationship between the united states and the families and some other aspects of the hostage situation, but nothing that would deal specifically with ransoms. >> chris jansing, thank you for that. for more, let's bring in retired lieutenant michael kay who flew similar rescue raids over baghdad and former navy s.e.a.l. commissioner dan o'shea, who's now vp for kidnap and ransom technologies. michael, talk to us about how difficult these sort of extractions are for s.e.a.l.s. >> they're incredibly difficult, toure. in fact, they are ultrahigh risk. the planning is broken down into sort of three main areas, if you like. you've got what's called the infill, the insertion of these troops. now, there are a number of reports saying it was territory by the vs-2, the transport aircraft with the rotating engines, or done by blackhawk. what we know is that these guys will have been conducting what's

called an offset half, which is a highly assault force. going down wind so the terrorists can't hear the aircraft approaching. then they'll walk in from about six miles. now, while all of this is going on, you have predatories overhead. before it goes dynamic and they go in for the hit, there's a plethora of scenarios and situations that can play out once it goes kinetic and people start firing. and then you have the extraction. then have you to work out where you're extracting from, how you're going to extract, if there's a bigger fire fight. there's a myriad of things to consider. >> dan, as a former navy s.e.a.l., you know what goes into these type of situations. in this case you have someone who is about to be killed. how much more pressure, then, does that put on the negotiations? how much does that change the game? >> well, again, as has been stated, we don't negotiate so negotiations aren't part of the

process for us as americans and certainly in the special forces equation for planning for the mission. and the colonel there laid out the difficulty. hostage missions are the most difficult to execute because the intended target is a hostage held by these captors. we had a deadline. they had a time lime so there was a sense of urgency there, which ramps up the planning and put it -- you always want to take a mission on at your time and place, but because al qaeda put out a 72-hour deadline, the clock was ticking and that's why this mission was given and approval by the commander in chief. >> dan, as you're pointing out, the u.s. does not pay ransom. south africa also does not pay ransoms and you had this private charity, though, that was trying to negotiate with the terrorists. they were trying to pay a ransom and free that other hostage who was there. how common is that situation where you have private charities who are acting sort of amateur hostage negotiators? >> well, the majority of cases that are resolved around the

world, that don't involve americans and british who hold to our u.s. policy of no negotiation or ransom payments, that's a lot of how it's done. in this new era of hostage negotiations, it's the aid workers and media types working there, they are the ones most at risk. for an aid organization to try to negotiate a settlement, that's part of the business. those are done in secret. many times they're not going to be done in coordination many times with a government, say, south africa may or may not have known about it. certainly this ngo, this aid organization likely would have not have been coordinating with the americans on this. >> a lot have people in the ngos and journalists might be good for that region. some of these groups don't feel that way. the other big story, the white house announced they're going to clear the security clearances and classifications so this long-awaited senate torture report can come out. i want to get some views on that. let me play a little sound from republican mike rogers on the

release of that yesterday. take a listen. >> the senate intelligence committee we expect will be releasing this report on the cia activities vis-a-vis interrogation of terrorists during the bush administration may come this week. do you know what's in the report and what's your basic fear do you applaud the idea of let's get some of this out there? >> no. i think this is a terrible idea. our foreign partners are telling us this will cause violence and deaths. our foreign leaders who have approached the government say, you do this, this will cause violence and deaths. >> let me ask you about that. i think the congressman is right about the risks but wrong about the response. we have a risk when we take all sorts of actions, when we allow shia muslims to observe their religion here in the united states or when we go in and support an ally like israel. that may cause reactions abroad. all these other cases we don't say that's not a reason to act. why would we do that differently

in this case about transparency for our own history? >> well, i think the first thing to say is that prevention is better than cure. and i think if we conduct our interrogation protocols in connection with geneva convention, we wouldn't be in that place in the first place. that being said, we have to look back and see just how sensitive these areas are. if you look at just the drawings that were released by the chap in holland and the ramifications and consequences that occurred after that in terms of the rioting and everything else, i think there are severe ramifications to this. i think nothing is going to change what the report says. i think the timing is absolutely everything. but -- >> do you think they're wrong to put it out tomorrow? >> there's never a good time to put this out. i think maybe there needs to be a little preamble maybe with key leaders within saudi arabia, within middle east, within iraq to let them know what it's going

to say just so they can prepare themselves, if you like, for consequences of what might happen in their country and threat state levels and so on. >> you just said torture is wrong and that we shouldn't do it. but is it effective, in your experience, is it ever effective? >> i used to conduct a lot of operations in baghdad. we used to put a bag over their head and take them for what's called tactical questioning. i think what we have to look inwardly and try to ascertain is that there is a balance between the information you're trying to get and the actions that that information will lead to. if you were in a situation where that information might lead to the freeing or safety or preventing some sort of incident from happening, for example, an ied going off that would protect coalition troops, you take level action that is co-mens rut like

the information you're trying to get. it's like ferguson. have you to have a graduated and proportional response to what it is you're trying to achieve. >> let's bring in dan. dan, you have a lot of experience here. talk to us, if you will, cut through some of the situational politics in washington. my old boss, john kerry, was very critical of a lot of these maneuvers when he was a candidate and when he was in the senate. but you will have noticed now that he's in the executive branch, just like the president and so many other people, he has struck a notably different tone. >> the reality is, once you're in leadership, you realize just how dangerous the world is for us. i don't understand why we're doing this, frankly. the enemy doesn't play by the geneva conventions. if our partners in the middle east and others have warned us

that only releasing this report is going to do more damage, it just baffles me. >> the enemy doesn't play by geneva but that's not a place for to us go to the lower bar of al qaeda, right? >> i'm not taking that measure. what i'm saying is, this era of releasing everything how we play something in this me kulpa to the world stage has not made it more secure. particularly in the middle east where isis is far more a bigger threat than al qaeda was. there is no caliphate established under the rule when we were there and now isis is in control. i just don't see how continuing to be critical of the measures we have to take, felt by the commanders on the ground at the time, to get this information as my counter part relaid about the difficulty of this. it's not making the situation on the ground easier. >> thank you so much to both of you.

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protests continued this week after grand jury decisions not to indict the police officers involved in the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. the frustration they are expressing is highlighted in a new nbc news marist poll. residents living in ferguson and staten island. those results show a deep divide how black and white residents view potential double standards by the police. that division is also evident in the level of confidence that those residents feel toward their local police and their use of excessive force. let's bring in friend of the show nbc news senior political reporter perry bacon for more. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> it was interesting. there was actually one area of relative agreement here between black and white and that is with dissatisfaction in how the president has handled these grand jury decisions. you had a majority of white residents and plurality of black residents saying they're not happy with his approach.

i suspect though, perry, they are unhappy for different reasons here. >> the poll did not actually break down exactly what they're unhappy about. i can tell you from interviewing people that african-americans feel like there's not enough being done. i know i talked to one of the people that met with obama last week at the white house who said they felt like body cameras were a band-aid on this problem and not a real solution. you saw also in the polling, a big difference. one of the polls showed that -- the polling, we asked people, how do you feel about police? do police treat white and blacks equally? 70% of republicans say police treat whites and blacks equally but only 25% of democrats thought that. you have a racial divide here and a partisan divide. that's going to make it hard to figure out what the legislative solutions are. >> perry, obama's had a difficult time entering into these situations. folks look at him as a black leader. he's not really that he's a leader who's black, if we can deal on that level of nuance, and he spent his whole life sort of trying to have it both ways all the way back to harvard and before that.

so, what are the polls saying about how he's dealing -- how he's being received when he enters into these sort of flashpoint moments? >> i mean, this poll is one of the first i've seen that targeted this particular issue. it gives you a sense on some level we should say, there's not really anything he could have been doing that's satisfactory. i don't think americans will feel comfortable with what's happening in staten island and ferguson the last few weeks. i'm not sure the president could have solved this problem because he can't solve the problems of race in america. even on the challenges of policing in america, as can you see today, the president's talked about body cameras. they talked about additional chaining. they released some racial profiling guidelines today. but the white house -- the government -- the federal government has not set local police practices and has very little influence on them. es certainly they're suggesting these are best practices they like local police to do but the local police are free to ignore them. it goes to the limits of pow other this particular issue. >> speaking of a strategy,

president obama sat down for the first time since the decision was made in ferguson last night with b.e.t. as well as comedy central's stephen colbert. those are air later today and this evening. perry, when you think about the strategy of who he's speaking to because clearly this is a specific audience. you think about ferguson being one of the things that has divided this country more than many other things in recent history. what do you think was the thought behind speaking out to both of these places? >> reaching out to b.e.t. audience was obvious. the president wants to feel like he brought in some of the activists who are mostly black, who have been involved in ferguson. the white house wants to reach out to that community as well. the president wants to be the president of all people. and i think it's important one thing to note in the polling as well, is we're seeing, we talked about ferguson and what happened in staten island is pretty similar. but the polling suggests people view them differently. most people in america feel like, and bloomberg had a poll,

60% of americans feel like the staten island case was wrongly decided versus only 25% of the people feel that way about what happened in ferguson, which tells you, i assume the president will talk about both those cases. we've linked them together. there may be some differences. i think it goes to the point that when a camera is showing something, people are reacting differently to it. the garner case may end up being the one that actually leads to more changes because most people in the country feel like that was truly wrong, what happened to him. >> you actually had evidence you could see. that's the big difference there. >> exactly. you have the evidence you can see. yet only 52% of whites here in the polls saying they disagree with the decision in the garner case. so, more than ferguson, which was more a he said/he said but, wow, still a lot of people, predominantly white americans who look at the video and don't think it's a problem. wow. you also mention the racial divide. there's also a geographic divide. if you live in rural idaho and you say, how do you think cops treat people? it may be a different problem

than our city. 25 states still allow racial profiling. that dovetails back to what you mentioned, airlg holder making this announcement today, something five years in the making. let's take a listen. >> it will involve enhanced training, oversight and accountability all across the country. and, you know, when you look at this whole question of racial profiling, as i said in the statement we have released, it can be misguided. it can be, i think, ineffective given the limited resources we have. given the opponents that we face both here and certainlyover seas been can't afford to profile. to do law enforcement on the basis of stereotypes. >> so, that's partly the pragmatic argument from the attorney general. tightening up those guidelines. as i mentioned before, there is no federal law against this actual profiling.

this would seem to be a time, perry, where you could go and look at senator cardin's bill or say on the hill, let's have up or down votes, particularly as we discussed, as the nation saying, what can be done? >> one thing dana milburn wrote is a crisis often creates an opportunity. this should be the time where congress really says, do we have a policing problem and can we do something about it? think about someone like rand paul, for instance, who's talked a lot about how he wants to be a lead other race in the country. in is an opportunity, show up, go to capitol hill. when you're mitch mcconnell, your friends in majority, push for some national racial profiling bill. this will be a test to see, something congress really care about this issue today, in the future as it is a lot of posturing we're seeing right now. >> perry bacon, thanks so much. >> thanks, guys. and can the gop click its way to victory in 2016? here's a hint. there's a giant elephant in the room. >> what? >> i don't know. more politicking next.

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atop the field is mitt romney, but who will probably not run again. and among that is a big cluster of people who hasn't broken down yet. >> let's talk about the series. the first article out today, one every single day, called "2016" and the article out today very interesting, conservative facebook army. 7 million people we're talking about determined to police gop candidates. the chairman of this group, brent bozell describes it this way. he says, this is not a fake, make-believe army. these are 7 million people active in the political conversation who are conservative. without them, you ain't going to win the primary. >> ain't. >> he goes on to say, anyone who runs as a conservative is going to have to satisfy our army. this is strong language and many people talking about 2016 may be looking a little better for establishment type republicans. when i read this article, i'm thinking, this doesn't look so good for them.

>> brent bozell created this facebook group for america and they paid to acquire people to join his facebook group. over time they turned it into quite a powerful force. they drive thousands of phone calls. they shut down essentially the white house phone lines last august. the white house asked them to turn off the phone calls, calling it a security issue. basically what brent says is he now wants to get involved with the 2016 republican field and make sure they toe a hard line on conservative issues. >> has anyone that's been through a primary process knows these are the folks that actually get out there and do it. >> that's what he's saying. if you want to find a true conservative base, these are the people. they have some ambitious goals. they're talking about trying to get 5% of every facebook group. they're not getting people just for show. the 7 million folks, acarding to facebook, most involved. they're not just getting people into their flock. they are turning them into conservative soldiers. >> you guys are launching this

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have one candidate, jim webb, who has formed an exploratory committee. candidates don't think it's too early. they're laying the groundwork. if we look back at history as a guide, when do you think the field really starts to take shape on both sides? >> one of the details is when is the end of the first quarter. they'll jump in late at the end of the first quarter so they have just a few days. they say, look, i raised millions in a handful of days. it's possible one or two folks will get in much earlier than that, but most folks early spring next year is when people will start announcing it and jumping into the pool. >> straight ahead, storm watch and royal watch, they both converge in the city we call new york. >> for the first time. >> this week.

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here on the storm cycle on this monday, hard to believe, but we're talking about another winter storm. you see the counties shaded in pink. this is northern vermont through upstate new york. also through northeastern pennsylvania where they're shoveling out from another 6 to possibly 12 inches of snow. notice the big cities are not shaded in these colors. the good news there, is looks like it will be good enough for a soaking rain. you may be asking why are we going to have rain when temperatures are 32 in new york. a lot of warm air comes in off the ocean. that's the saving grace. that would be measured in feet. here is our storm. it's out across areas of ohio and indiana. that storm will merge together with another storm system off california. the two gel together and move up the coast. that storm system over indiana kind of the espresso, if you will, to energize that storm off north carolina. let's track that storm. 4:00.

light drizzle off the coastline. look at pinks, oranges and red. that's the storm moving you want to north. new york city tomorrow morning, it will be pouring. you don't want to be outside. it will be miserable, raw and rainy. that continues through the afternoon and evening hours. notice the snow is on the backside of the storl. that's where we will expect the highest totals over a foot of snow possible in some of the highest elevations. anywhere you see the pink shading here, get your shovels out, your snow blowers. you'll be having a tough time. it's going to be a wet, clumpy snow. in the big cities tomorrow, expect airport delays. that's the big story out of the storm system. looks like 1 to 3 inches of rain. street and highway flooding. you want to escape the madness? go down to areas like miami, los angeles tomorrow, temperatures in the 70s. >> don't want to be here. it is freezing cold right now in new york city. now from storm watch to royal watch, the duke and duchess of came ridge are in manhattan for

the first time ever. prince william traveled to d.c. today to meet with president obama. meantime, back in harlem, kate visited a child development center, an issue close to her heart. she was there with the mayor' bif and met with local kids as well. tonight the couple will meet american royalty, court shortstop side in brooklyn as king james and cavs take on the nets. royal expert camilla is here to break us down this three-day whirlwind visit. you said you were trying to channel your inner middleton. how does one accomplish that? >> very poised, big hair, demure, answering questions carefully. >> you nailed all of that. >> i don't have the sophistication -- >> you're doing a great job. >> it's all about the accent. >> tell us what it is about these two we just can't get enough of. i imagine prince dharlz coming and he would not get the same

reaction. hundreds of people that just wait to get a glimpse perform the empire state building changed their colors for them. what is it about these two? >> i suppose it's a generational thing. when i first started doing this job, charles and camilla, they were the sandwich generation. everyone was waiting for will yeah to do something. now when i follow the royals, there are little girls in the crowd wearing plastic tiara. they think kate is princess elsa, and the fairytale has come true. she's a girl next door. we rather unpleasantly call her a commoner because she's not a royal. girls in britain and america say, look f i can get her clothes. sometimes she buys them off the rack. i can wear her clothes. there's a chance of me getting my fairytale come true. that's why people buy into this. they seem quite down with the kids, going to basketball tonight. they're not too stuffy. they seem approachable. i think that's why they

reinvigorated the monarchy into the 21st century. >> it's a huge deal. people are so excited. >> as you are. >> i think if you look back at the transcript, you'll see what i said, it is thrilling and people are thrilled because it is exciting. what is the purpose of this trip? >> the purpose is to raise money because it's a season of goodwill and they want people to dip deep into their pockets in new york to support their charitable foundations. they had a dinner last night to get wealthy benefactors to throw money their way. >> there was talk you couldn't get into this dinner for 30 without paying like $50,000. that's been denied, but what can't be denied is that they are putting the pressure on people over here to give them money. when they came in 2011 they raised about a million pounds just by attending a polo match. there's big money to be made. also they are nurturing our

special relationship. when the obamas came in 2011, again, they were embraced by the royal family. literally michelle put her arm around the queen, broke protocol but it was fine because we want this togetherness across the pond. again, they know they have a great audience here. the americans go mad for the royals. the royals are aware of that. they're aware of their own brand and they want to tap into that excitement. although not everyone is thrilled, most people are. there have been audible screams on the streets today. i was down in harlem, we were cold, and people were taking time out of their own schedules to see a woman basically step out of car and walk into a building. you don't necessarily get that with other a-listers. >> i think there is something very special about kate. as you were saying, something very relatable about her. she plays that up and really tries to keep that and maintain that. what specifically has she been up to today? >> at this development center in harlem. this is following a little in princess diana's foot steps. she went to harlem in 1989.

kate's main focus is underprivileged children, so she went there, got down, played with some kids. did some arts and crafts. apparently wrapped christmas presents and brought goodwill to that place. >> the royalty at the nets game, lebron, will be there with the cavaliers. it's not all niceties. we're told lebron wants to wear an "i can't breathe" t-shirt before the game which throws our american brouhaha right in their face. what do you think they would make of that? >> they'll be very well briefed on it. they actually have a diplomatic guy here, former ambassador to the u.s., and he keeps them abreast of everything going on locally here. so they'll know about it. are they going to get engaged in the eric garner debate, i doubt it, because at the end of the day they need to stay completely

biassed from politics. who knows what kind of conversation will go on behind closed doors. we'll get to see some of it but the press aren't there the whole time. they can express private thoughts and beliefs but being dragged into political controversy isn't going to happen. they need to remain as neutral as possible. but they're aware of the vibe on the street and what new yorkers are talking about at the time they're in the city. >> how can you not be? everyone's so fascinated by her pregnancy, just like the previous one. any news on that front in terms of what the gender might be? >> no, nothing on gender. the baby is due mid-april. she had been suffering this acute morning sickness but she wasn't hospitalized. she had a period off engagements for three months. now we think she's feeling better. we're all hoping for a little girl. if they're only having two, let's hope for the little queen -- >> have they said only two? >> william wants two, but she wants three. but because she's had trouble with her pregnancies, will she want to go through it for a

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cycling, we have an update to our top story. 2,000 u.s. marines are on alert ahead of tomorrow's senate report about torture and interrogation. for months the pentagon has been preparing for potential threats against u.s. embassies or bases around the persian gulf and the mediterranean. the white house says this elevated alert status is simply out of an abundance of caution. now to another developing story. we've talked about tension between police and communities, deep racial divisions and an electorate that seems impatient with the president's attempt at national reconciliation. we can also recognize those dynamics and we know they're not new. that was the scene facing president nixon when he tapped a liberal to lead his urban policy. patrick moynahan was known as an independent thinker, an architect of the liberal war on poverty but conservative leanings on welfare and on pushing income over benefits. famously telling bureaucrats what the poor need most is money. moynahan advised nixon our ban

policy during crisis during american cities. they reformed welfare through the family assistance plan and he famous -- an approach that continues to be debated in conservative circles today. moynahan is a diplomat in india and in the u.s. supreme court for over two decades. steven hess was moynahan's assistant. good day to you. >> good day to you, too. >> it's exciting to have someone who is right there, living this history so you know what happened. talk to us about that famous advice and that period moynahan said to nixon, there are concrete things can you do for black america, for the cities but we also need to just talk less about racial strife. >> yeah. it was misinterpreted. the press had a good time with those two words, deny and

neglect, applying he wanted an end to more useful governmental programs. it was really quite the contrary. he wanted to lower our voices and continue in a much more positive way toward that. anyway, it got him in a little trouble, but, frankly, by that time he was in pretty good shape. he had gotten the president to support something called the family assistance plan. that was the most aggressive piece of legislation since the new deal. pretty remarkable for our conservative president, who actually opposed it when he ran for office. this is a story about how it came about. i was in the base -- west basement of the white house next to pat moynahan, and i watched his operations, his maneuver, his humor and success. >> how did that effort at welfare reform come about? i've got a quote here from president nixon in proposing this plan. he says, what i'm proposing is that the federal government build a foundation under the income of every american family

with dependent children that cannot care for itself and wherever in america that family may live. i cannot imagine a republican in today's age proposing a similar program. how did this clap collaboration come about and how did they end up with this result? >> that is the story of the book. it takes about a sunday afternoon to read it. it's a small book. >> give us the highlights. >> it comes about in part because of the remarkable friendship that developed between these two opposite people. theed onnest couple, perhaps, in american politics. and i think pat won over the president, both with his wit, with his knowledge, with his education. the minute he was appointed, he started to send the president these massive -- these massive memoranda. the sort no president ever received. they weren't one-liners. they were complicated and complex. they were, in a sense, intellectual to intellectual. you know what? the president loved them.

no one treated him that way before. they got off to a very good start. and moynahan was one of the truly great bureaucratic politicians. he knew exactly where to locate his office. he knew exactly when to change the tenor of a meeting. and that's part of the story, too. there's a lot of humor in it because pat moynahan was funny and he knew how to use humor. >> i love you describe them as the odd couple. you have the liberal professor and a conservative president. at a time when our nation feels so extremely divided, i love reading back at times like this on these types of friendships that you think would never find a way to work together, but despite that, they did. talk to us about the relationship that made it so unique. where did they first meet? and how did they have a strong relationship all the way through? >> they didn't even know each other. the first line of my book, in fact, is i'm the only person perhaps in the world who knew both richard and was a friend of both richard nixon and pat

moynahan before they knew each other. so, the book is a trajectory of what happened when their paths crossed. for richard nixon, it produced a much more progressive their pat crossed. >> for pat moynahan it was something that led to his appointment his ambassador to india and the u.n. and produced four terms in new york. so it was a point their paths crossed very unexpectedly in fact early on moynahan who is called pat and nixon had to ask staff do i call him daniel or dan, they didn't know each other, and they were suspicious and pat did it by proving his loyalty to the president. >> it is a really interesting book about two incredibly important figures in american history.

and congratulations on the fantastic cover. look at that. beautiful cover. the sentence that jumped out at me, when i think of nixon i think of kissinger and you write that he liked the idea of imploring pat's sense of moral outrage until he didn't like it. what do you men there. >> that happened when pat was appointed to the u.n., kissinger liked the idea when he got to the united nations pat was a little bit too strong in his outrage, it had to do with the zionists and pat opposed it with such force it created a rift in the foreign government. >> definitely worked his way

into his campaign. the other thing you point out is that as moynahan was coming in they brought in two other aids into this urban portfolio, don rumsfeld and dick cheney, why we they coming in on a republican administration to work on urban policy. >> well donald rumsfeld was a republ republic congressman from outside chicago and appointed to head the poverty program and actually did an excellent job, brought it on a new path, and brought two young men with him, one of them was dick cheney who had been a graduate student and applied for the job and got it and was a young assistant and stayed on, of course, in the white house when jerry ford took

over and he became his chief of staff. so one thing leads to another thing in politics in life. >> thanks for your time today. >> you're very welcome. >> wee're going to wrap things p next. ♪

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a sign that said i can't breath, he asked what does that mean. i thought how do i explain that without explaining the whole garner situation. i didn't want to lie to him about the society he lives in because sugar coating it could cost him his life. did i want him to grow up too sfaft. fast. i turned on the tv, the tape was running and lept for the remote but he said daddy i already seen that. if you have children you may be going through similar moments grasping for language to explain another major american racial story or wondering if you should just stay silent. on friday there was a seminar at the bank street college of education, a seminar of how to discuss the brown and garner situation with kids.

i was eager to hear what was discussed. i spoke to someone who helped organize the seminar and the biggest message was that these conversations must happen. we can't turn away from them when children ask for them and says silence sends a mess ang that these issues are unimportant or ignorable. can't shield them from reality forever. especially from white people not discussing race per pet ooh ated the motion and helps perpetuate the status quo, and discussion could bring up shame. >> we must talk to our kids

about race and teach our kids that everyone is equal while also teaching them not everyone is treated the same way by society. we should ask kids what they think so we can see what they understand and what misunderstanding they have. we should teach them talking about race is not the same as racist talk. we must teach them to be anti-racist rather than colorblind. and we can tell them that race is complex and messy. on saturday i talked to my boy about garner and brown and answered many of his questions and opened the dialogue meant to help him understand his world, if you want to make this country better i hope you will try to have these conversations with your kids because a more racial aware young person is far better suited to help combat racial inequali inequality. that does it for the cycle.

"now" starts the now. the department of justiceis is taking action on bias, is it enough. >> this is something that is deeply root in our society, in our history. >> the debate over race and justice shows no sign of letting up. >> the justice department announced a new policy to ban profiling by law enforcement agencies. >> the latest in a series of steps the administration is taging. >> taking. >> we can't ford to profile. >> protests following the grand jury decisions in the deaths of michael brown and zbamichael g r garner. >> two little boys came and said the police just shot your son twice in the