"now" starts the now. the department of justiceis is taking action on bias, is it enough. >> this is something that is deeply root in our society, in our history. >> the debate over race and justice shows no sign of letting up. >> the justice department announced a new policy to ban profiling by law enforcement agencies. >> the latest in a series of steps the administration is taging. >> taking. >> we can't ford to profile. >> protests following the grand jury decisions in the deaths of michael brown and zbamichael g r garner. >> two little boys came and said the police just shot your son twice in the stomach. >> one reality for

african-americans and a different reality for white-americans. >> jufltis is clearly what we need to do. >> this is something deeply rooted in our society, in our history. >> in the next hour president obama will give his first sit down interview since the grand jury decision regarding the death of michael garner. >> typically progress is in steps. it's inincrements. when you're dealing with something as deeply rooted at racism or bias in any society, you have to be vigilant and you have to recognize it's going to take time and you just have to be steady so that you don't give up when we don't get all the way there.

>> hours attorney the president's attorney general had this to say. >> we will never be able to better our way to a stronger nation or brighter future. we as a nation are too reluctant to talk about race. we have these conversations when we have incidents and controversies we need something longer lasting. we need to talk about race in times of calm. >> times of calm are so far ellusive. the administration response comes as peaceful protests in berkeley, california gave way to looting and and vallism last night. police fired tear gas after demonstrators began throwing rocks and explosive. but else where here in new york city demonstrations remained peaceful. some writing "i can't breath" on

practice jerseys. today the justice released a long awaited policy expanding its definition of profiling. >> we can't afford to profile. to do law enforcement on the basis of stereo types. it under minds the public trust ultimately but also makes us not good at what we need to do. >> law enforcement will no long he be able a. allowed to consider religion, gender, sexual orientation from investigations. exempt airport screening and also not included state and local law enforcement. joining me now, joy, let's talk first about this new justice announcement. obviously the federal government isn't going to tell state and local law enforcement what they should be doing.

how did you greet this announcement. >> i greeted it with the sense of limitisation, they can only control those law enforcement who directly report to them. i think the justice department has a lot more pour to cojole local law enforcement to do more. i was surprised they didn't include that. because they make significant grants to these departments. they could get consent like they did in cleveland so the justice department has a fair of coercive force that they can force on local law enforcement and then have chosen not to do that. i think leading by example is a choice, i think they could have been more aggressive but to me it is a start. >> are state and local law enforcement open to leadership. we were talking about in terms of minimum wage, they will raise minimum wage with the

expectation that state's say that's a good idea we should do that too, do you get the sense that officials are open to looking at what the president and attorney general are doing and saying hey that's a good idea. >> i this i it depends city to city and department by department. many will ask police service offices to come in and help retrain. i spoke about this to center of constitutional rights and he said policy on local level you can say whatever you want on paper, what happens in practice, and looking at the death of garner, there was a local department issue that the department banned, choke holding, if you violate these policies you put in place yourself, then what? >> that's where the proverbial rubber meets the road. >> that's right. >> sam, we're waiting to hear

the president's interview which will air later tonight, we have another advanced piece of sound i warra wanted to play. >> we can't equate what was happening now what happened 50 years ago. if you talk to your parents, grand parntds, uncles, they will tell you that things are better, not good, in some cases, but better. >> we talked a lot about the president and his incrementalism talking about the issue of race in american. not good but better is a very different person from the 2008 barack obama others will say this is exactly who he was then and who he is now. where do you feel he is on that spectrum? >> well it's tough because he's touched this issue a number of times and has back fired a number of times.

he has treaded very carefully when it comes to racial discussions. we talked about his 2008 speech in philadelphia as an sexample f him speaking out forcefully. that was done after weeks and weeks of people saying you need to speak out on race. he has always been reluctant to weigh in but for good reason, he knows inserting himself into the issue makes it more partisan in some cases. i was struck by the sound byte of eric holder, remember he infamously called the nation a nation of coward's, in that last sound byte he said we're too reluctant to have the conversation. that is dramatically toned down from four or five years ago.

>>*54 -- >> chris rock was asked about racial progress and had this to say. >> what president obama is saying is a more polished version of chris rock's contention. >> obviously you look at the history of this country as regards to race and it horrific, from slavey, itself, which is as low a bar you can have, and then a hundred years by the attempts of many to enforce the subjectation of slavery for over a hundred years. in the 1920s you had arbitrary laws applied against

african-americans in the form of lynching, in 1960 it's a far different country. new york is a far different state than it was in the late 80s. so i think it is true. i think is the job and nature of presidents to be incrementalists and to always focus on progress rather than what needs to be done. john f kennedy was no cruise aider, he had to be pushed and pushed. he wanted to do tax cuts in 1963. you look at lyndon johnson who was pushed and pushed, even martin luther king. so it is i nature of the presidency that makes presidents not activists. >> in the 60s, end segregation, now we have to do something about systematic bias. it is hard to come up with a list of demands.

do you feel folks are beginning to coalesce? i know al sharpton are talking about 24. are people beginning to coalesce around certain aspects and what are they. >> it is all relative. you talk to someone who is 20 years old and filling the prison systems with their bodies they say what about this moment zbl this is their jim crowe. >> exactly. you talk to a person that says black lives matter, when they encounter the police, and in all these other institutions. they're trying to get to that point where they are part of the process so they can identify those hard line things saying here's what we want. >> well you could argue that black livers matter is something that has been sounded across

this current for 250 years. >> just after these decisions in a hundred cities across american hundreds and thousands of people are massing, that hasn't happened in the last 20 years. >> there's a lot of polling in how conservatives feel about garner and it's different, there's more bipartisan support to do something, unclear what that is, but do you think because of that it opens ground for the president to move forward and talk about it in a way he might not in another season. >> yeah, you know we were talking about this at huff post, this is the case, i guess, for police cameras, it's not going to stop police bruutality but i opened a broader conversation.

it was outrageous that he wasn't indicted so it does broaden the talk in a way that ferguson and michael brown did not. >> we talk about what is the difference, the fact is even if there's no indictment there's more consensus because of the video. >> the cameras didn't lead to an indictment. >> but it has led to more accord about this being justice which is incremental. always good to see you guys. thanks for your time. you can of course catch joy, let me not forget, i would be remiss to encourage america to go watch the reid report right here on a little channel called msnbc. john boehner is in a jam hoping democrats will bail him out. plus the world will soon see the senate report on torch ottu.

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in a turn of events that is perhaps surprising to no one the u.s. government will shut down if republicans can't agree on a plan to fund it. the gop is expected to formally unveil it's $1.1 trillion

funding. are crisis will probably be avoided. probably. not because reason has returned to the republican caucus because reason never left the democratic one. in a shockingly familiar scene house republicans have reached out to house democrats for votes to keep the government running, they are critical because the far right wing is once again defecting. how many are jumping ship, probably in the 40 to 50 range. aren't democrats getting tired of this. in an interview nancy said this. >> sam is with me jacob. jake, let me stwaart with you. for brian points out. the stand off is completely

remarkable given where the gop is supposed to be, he writes one month from an impressive midterm victory and republicans are already fighting whether it is wise to pick a shut down fight or merely a fight over shutting down the department of homeland security. this is where we're at. >> it is not the first time john boehner misjudged his caucus. >> yeah. >> i think a lot of people say logic this time is on his side because it makes sense for them to follow him. >> but insanity would have to be on his side too. >> yeah, and i think probably in the end it will prevail but he doesn't have control of the caucus as he would like to, it is still ted cruz's party. it was looking more like john boehner's party than before but i wouldn't want to make a bet. >> i know you frequently take

bets, glen, and this is one you wouldn't take, or would you. do you think the government may shut down on thursday? >> look, we have had some of these moments in the pass with john boehner c john boehner walking off the floor with his head down. i was there for the tarp belt could have crashed the go global economy and it didn't make a lot of difference. i think in general, it's not a huge overwhelming feeling that you don't want to pants your speaker on the verge off this. >> you don't want to pants your speaker any time. and yet there's rumor that the conservative faction may attach rider that's are non-starters with democrats and republicans are relying on democrats to get

this over the finish line. >> i'm not entirely convinced that john boehner is out of control here. i think he knows these shoguns put on the same script, you put on a plan, you pass the plan, i think they basically resigned themselves to that being the case, maybe will be different when he has a larger majority and don't need to rely on 30 or 40 conservatives to get in goli. maybe tomorrow they will unveil this cromnibus and eventually will be passed by the senate. >> that's everybody's expectation. there's also the idea maybe conservatives will buck for another couple monthsp until republicans regain the house. this long term bill is not for us, we warrant ant to write if

when we run both sides of congress. there's a semi-had reasonable option and totally unreasonable option, almost every time the house goes with the total lay unreasonable option. >> not as if boehner has do this with bipartisan majority that's the way business has been done in the house for a couple hundred years, the question is will boehner once he gets reelected in january, will boehner acknowledge reality and actually start passing bigger and more important pieces of legislation using this across the aisle nancy pelosi thing, and he might do that. i think that's the interesting play. will boehner fess up, except reality and actually embrace bipartisanship.

>> there's also the question of whether an actual immigration plan is maybe at all a possibility this republican circles. let's say the cromney bus, there's a fight, let's say they fund dhs until february, then what? there's still the immigration issue they have to deal with. mitch mcconnell said it is "unlikely" that i am grammigrata top. >> stle no incentives towards responsibility. the worse it is for him the better it is for them. that's true for immigration. if you're him you have to kind of be a psychiatrist. you have to think how can we let these people express themselves,

show their rage, extreme without under minding everything we have to do since we share responsibility for governing and i think the plan for immigration is a little bit the same. he has to find a steam valve to let them have a full fit and maybe there's a discussion about passing a bill. >> sam are you bullish or bearish on any kind of alternative for immigration reform, the senate reform bill. >> if anyone thinks immigration reform will pass the house really should get their head examin examined. it's been two years now. >> i'm not suggesting a bill that addressed the 11 million undocumented workers, let's say they pass a draconian immigration bill and called it immigration reform. >> the only thing would be that or some sort of twelve-step

process where the twelfth step happens in the year 2060, something that would placate the hard liners and probably get no democrat votes, because few will pass a vote for anything that is not kprees hencive. not comprehensive many. even then you have to go back to get it passed by senate. all of this is theater really. >> this omni-bus, kromney bus -- >> i remember the romney bus. >> that was depressing. >> yeah that was boring too. >> in interprterms of this bus d cult funding, huge funding, this is not without pain. >> i'm surprised the white house

seems to go along with this. they did fairly well in 2010 lame duck, since the president has been pretty defiant. i'm surprised stuff is being said at this level. it indicates to me the white house wants to get through to the next congress as well. i'm not sure what the white house strategy is. >> domestic funding is frozen, everything takes a haircut. thank you gentleman for this segment. certainly not the last. >> let's hope not. >> it's always good to see you my friends. hang with me. coming up tonight british royalty meets the queen bee right here in new york city. that's next. fail to stay on them. that's why we created programs which encourage people to take their medications regularly.

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. it was the largest detainee transfer from gitmo bay since president obama closed it. twelve detainees were released. this reduced the population to 136, 67 of those approved for transfer. according to a court, in addition to producing little to no valuable intelligence, the inter gas station mein

t int interrogation methods were not approved. >> the impending release of this report has left officials in the white house panicked that it may insight violence abroad, secretary of state john kerry called fienstein to worth her and 2,000 marines were placed on alert in and around the gulf and mediterranean. officials are gearing up to rebut their report, a report that started yesterday. president bush himself said he had not yet read the report. >> we're fortunate to have men and women working hard at the cia, these are pate rereo oot

patriots, whatever the report says, if it goes against them, it is off base, i knew a lot of these people and we are lucky as a nation to have them. >> thank you both for being with us. >> let me first start with the reaction from former president bush, are you surprised that he chose to defend the cia when he actually had a small window open to exon rate himself. >> no i'm not surprised. i is this it is very much in character of president bush, he has taken the position of extreme loyalty, that's what he's known for and frankly how could he disassociate himself from what happened on his watch. >> right. this was indeadiblely associated

with george w. bush, so where are we in closing gitmo and the taking account on what we may have done wrong on the war on terror at a moment there are public beheadings of american journalists. >> i think we're not ready to deal with it yet and i think obama was making a frank political realization that the country was no, no way ready to come to grip s with that tortur. it is interesting this idea that the cia could have misled bush and cheney about torture. they have an ideologic aal beli that torture rngs works, the cia went with that, the cia was reading cues coming from the administration.

so if there was any misleading it was mutually reenforcing. >> one administration is taking good care of the last administration. the white house has been very aggressive in redakting process and also trying to keep the senate intelligence committee from going forward with the report. on the eve of this report being released how much ground could the senate intelligence committee claim back from the white house? >> so we're going to see a little more than 600 pages of a summary, conclusions, and findings, and that's out of more than 6,000 pages, that would be the classify the version of this report which we're not going to see. we know basically the major conclusions of the senate committee's investigation. we're going to see major push back tomorrow, i think, from both the cia and the senate, the minority on the senate committee

disputing the findings. and one thing i think is almost for certain, we're not going to see a reopening of what was a criminal investigation by the justice department that was shut down after three years in 2012 for what we were told was lack of ad missable evidence. certainly the political fall out will be acute and we'll see if there's going to be a security fall out as well. >> the political fall out is exas baited by some of the officials involved also had jobs in the obama administration. >> yeah there has been a great deal of couldnncontincontinuity administration's teams. no country is really ready for

accountability and to face its past misdeeds. there's never a good time. never a convenient time. ifs but this has to be done. >> but this has to be done and obama has put this off as much as he possibly can. when he came into power there were calls for a bipartisan commission that would look what the has happened in the last decade and he wanted to look forward, which is all very well, but now six years later we're still arguing about whether it was torture, whether congress new, whether it was effective, all of these issues still haven't been settled. >> and beyond that, the cia may have spied on the senate intelligence committee. there's an apologize issued to senator fienstein that has been papered over. >> it did, john brennan admitted

and apologized saying certain cia personnel used computers from the committee to assemble this report and it tainted not just the report but the serious constitutional crisis, if you would, and seriously about a deterioration in relations between the cia and the senate committee that has over sight with this agency. so we may have the report tomorrow but we're not going to see an end, i don't think, to this whole controversy over the use of what many people consider to be torture. >> do you think the president is moving more aggressively this year to close guantanamo to get these guys actually out of the prison, do you think it mitigate what's he is doing with the senate torture report. >> he put cliff sloan in charge

of closing guantanamo so you know he's serious. he ended torture quite ziesi decisively. he has done everything he can to close guantanamo. congress has blocked him, it's an argument but he's on the right side of it. i think the first job was to address the moral break down under the previous administration. accountability was a harder issue. he could have singled out the people who stood up to lawlessness and immorality. the moral accountability works both ways, there weren't just villains but there were heroes too. >> that's a good point. you worked diligently on this issue. what is the next step in terms

of accountability or making sure we don't repeat the sins of the past. >> obviously holding individuals responsibility, that is not going to happen, the justice department's investigation is over. so the only accountability you can get is a truth and reconciliation accountability where you acknowledge what went wrong, identify the institutional failures to make sure they don't happen again. i agree obama did act decisively to end torture but it is one president's decision. it can be reversed easily by another president and it has happened in the past, so that's why we need to have a much more rigorous look at this issue. >> thank you all. doing amazing reporting. thank you for your time. coming up, two historic news magazines have found them selves in the headlines for all the

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world of journalism. right now picking up the pieces after a reporting by the washington post raised serious concerns about a frat house gang rape in the u.va. >> rolling stone now maintains that mistakes are on rolling stone not the alleged victim. meanwhile the owner of new republic is also left picking up the pieces. chris hughes is starting his work week minus dozens who protested for redirection of the magazine. he had this to say.

the current staff shortage is delaying the next issue until january 2015. i thought it was interesting that chris hughes didn't buy the new republic who's long term survival was at risk, i thought that's what he did. >> he kind of pulled it away from the things he was doing on line and doubled down on print. he seemed to really like that. he brought in new designers and resigned the print magazine. i think the problem is, certainly nobody cares more about trying to make serious journalism financial viable than me, i think is possible but not for the new republic. it's a tiny circulation. it's legacy print product. they don't really have anything digital. he needs subsidy, that's okay.

journalism gets all kinds of subsidies and chris hughes was a really good guy to subsidize the new republic. >> for however long is that subsidy lasted. >> he has plenty of money for it to lose a million or two which is what it was losing when he took it over and instead it has blown up. it is very sad to me. i started my career there so i have a huge amount of noftalgia for it. it was one of the few places where people went to have their opinions challenged and confr t confront confronted. not everybody agreed. writers liked to confront the other side. supposed to challenge people on your own side. and the readers of the new republic were people who liked their opinions challenged. >> this whole debacle has raced the question of what is journalism in the 21st century

and he suggests the idea of a public trust that journalism is a public trust would financially be a charity. he suggests that is a naive view, that journalism is a business and has to be solvent, do you think it is a notion of public trust is outmoeted. >> not 59 all. look at society that's don't function at democracies. if you don't have people who think about it that way your government won't have over sight or accountable. serious journalism has always been subsidized in all sorts of ways. these public spirited families that ran the post for generations way over investigated in investigative reporting or international coverage, that wasn't economic

but they made money on department store ads and could use it to subsidize the public trust they believed in. i'm really disappointed he's not one of those guys we can trust. >> when you talk about the trust we put in journalism, it's why something like the rolling stone piece is so -- i mean, it's a tectonic shift in terms of the trust we have for that institution how bad is it for rolling stone in the long run. >> one definition of crappy journalism is when you decide what the story is and then find it. you say, i want to find a story where it is a nice middle class college where men are gang raping women, you know, that's not different from you saying i want to find a juicy example of corporate crime, if you decide what the story is and then go look for it, you are really writing dishonestly with propaganda in this case it has crossed a line into worse than

misusing the facts for propaganda but creating facts or distorting facts, it's shameful. it's shameful go about journalism that way. i wouldn't attribute it to just the economic decline. there are fewer editors and resources but there's a lot of bad faith and bad practice to go into something like that happening. >> to say nothing more on the issue of sexual assault on campus at large. we have to leave it there. thank you for your time my friend. >> you alex.

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