that is all for now "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota, let's get to work. >> there are folks in my own party barking up the wrong tree when it comes to opposing tpt. >> this is nafta on steroids. >> now he's ready to pass boehner trade. >> the ttp is just as bad if not worse. >> so, and i -- i -- i'm going to have to engage directly with our -- our friends in labor. >> we're not a gauge trade. >> we hope he'll listen to those of us who supported him.

>> we just engage trade that destroys jobs. ten years ago i wrote a book the title was straight talk from the heartland. i'm going to give that to you tonight. the trans pacific partnership is not a job creator for american business, it is a job killer. it is an outsourcer and it is something that is not going to help our economy get on a roll further from with what it is right now. now the american economy, no doubt is working for some. there's no question about it. all gains as i see it could be loss if the president travels down this road with congress and approves a bad trade deal known as tp prk. this is a bad week because twelve countries involved in the tpp resume negotiations in the nation's capitol. this is following a meeting that took place earlier this year

where president obama had tpp as a top priority. i ask the question tonight, why. this news comes as stock market is reaching record highs. not everybody is in the market, but it is better for those who are, your retirement, your kid's education, a little money for your family. if your in the market. now today dow is up 12%. if you're in it, you're doing better. the economy is creating jobs faster than before. 321,000 private sector jobs added in november. and all of the jobs we lost in the recession have come back to the economy but they've come back into the economy mostly at lower wages. now the unemployment rate is at 5.8% if you believe the bureau for labor statistics. and you know what, obamacare has

not been the big job killer that the republicans said it would be. now i know things aren't perfect but this is a far cry from where we were in early 2009 when president obama came on board. he did a great job with the economy with no republican help as i see it. all it takes is one bad turn, all you have to do is take a wrong turn and the cops are right there and the international cops are going to be there on this deal, it is not a good deal for american workers. the transcific partnership, the free trade agreement, will put all those numbers at risk. senator mitch mcconnell made it clear his top priority after midterms is to get this trade deal through. >> trade agreement, the president and i were just

talking about that right before i came over here. most of his party is unentha unenthusiastic for international trade, the president and i discussed it right before i came here, i think he is interested in moving forward. >> unfortunately president obama is wrong headed on this one. he's on board with the tpp. here's the president just last wednesday. >> if we are able to get trans pacific partnership done then we're actually forcing some countries to boost their labor standards, boost their environmental standards, boost trans parentscy, reduce corruption, increase

intellectual property protection, and so all of that is good for us. those who oppose these trade deals, ironically are excepting a status quo that is more damaging to american workers. there are folks in my own party, my own constituency that have legitimate complaints about some of the trend lines of inequality but are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to opposing tpp. and i'm going to have to make that argument. >> it's interesting. that's the most aggressive the president has been on the tpp. and it was in front of the business round table last week. the business round table, well, obviously there's a bunch of wall streeters there, big business people there, they want it. because it attacks wages.

it attacks labor standards. where the president is getting this council that it will raise labor standards, where? in vietnam? i doubt it. he has a lot right, he has this wrong. members in his own party are adamant against the tpp, as he talked about. i spoke to them in january about this story. >> the fast track what they do is they spring it out, we've got 60 days to vote on it, up or down, no amendments, this is a way to rail road through diz ze disastrous trade agreements. >> we are looking at the weakening of financial regulations and the weakening of food safety suppose, critical issue. we're looking at weakening

environmental laws and we're going to potentially cut off access to people in other countries to affordable drugs. >> trz there's 20 things that are bad for the u.s. economy, the fact they want to speed this through is counter intuitive, you know something bad is in in. >> if we educate people on the damage that fast tracking these trade deals have been doing, we can mount a push back to over come these kind of things. >> so here we go into january 2015 where republicans will have control of both the house and senate, unfortunately won't have much opposition. all americans need to remember what past trade deals have done, nafta caused trade deficit to sky rocket, 700,000 american

jobs were lost. in 2001 china was given preferred nation trading status, this caused our trade deficit with china to do what? to more than triple. in 2013 the trade deficit was roughly $315 billion, it is estimated this deal with china will cost $ 2.7 million america jobs. in 2012 the united states entered into a free trade agreement with south korea. korus claimed 70,000 jobs, so far lost 6,000 jobs. the facts are simple, no free trade agreement ever create jobs in the united states if you look at the numbers. they open opportunity for

low-paying jobs over seas. our economy you could make the case is on a roll, stock market is up, jobs are coming back, now president obama the republicans are putting all that progress at risk without an explanation. i agree with the president on a lot of issues but on this one he's wrong. think about investment. do you write a check to anyone who says i think you should invest in this. we have done countless stories about jobs in the economy and the fact is if we don't have standards, if we're going to allow the outsourcing to continue, and then come back and say, well then we're going to be exporting more, wait a minute, we're going to be importing more which is going to hurt american jobs, the president hasn't made the case to the american people. he's talked to the business round table told them what they

want to hear but haven't looked at the american people and said this is what will happen to the economy if we go to tpp and the president has no record to turn on and say this or that trade deal was good for american workers. the very people that put president obama in office he is ready to throw to the side of the road as road kill that's what it comes down to. he's a great president but he's wrong on this one. tell us what you think. will the tpp be the first trade deal to ever create american jobs? text a for yes, b for no to 67622. leave a comment on our blog. we'll bring you results later in the show. i want to bring in three gentleman to talk about this. thank you all for being with us tonight. the president says to the

business round table, those who oppose the tpp are accepting the status quo and that it is damaging american workers, what's your response to that? >> my first response is prior to nafta and pntr with china and prior to the agreement with korea and columbus the status quo was better than what we have now. we had a very small trade deficit, now we've got huge trade deficits from nafta and unbelievable debt from china and ed, you made a point with how many hundreds of millions of dollars last year, let me tell you, if you go from the start of pntr with china until now we're talking a wealth transfer up to $8 trillion, depeplus they have

stole our intellectual property. do you think others will buy goodeds, are will we send them jobs and then send us goods, the track record leans in that way. >> intellectual property protection, is that correct? >> no actually the big winner is the pharmaceutical industry and if you want to consider that to be intellectual property protection, yeah there's a lot in there, it will drive up prices of drugs in australia, new zealand, japan and else where, so it's a big winner otherwise the protection in this bill is similar to those in our deal with china, oh, those have worked really well, they are essentially nonenforcible.

those governments have to adopt rules, they don't have to enforce them. that's all the agreement stays, you have to adapt rules to protect intellectual property but if you don't enforce them, don't worry about it. and then labor, that's a joke. americans will compete with vietnam where they have child labor and forced labor in vietnam and somehow that is creating a higher standard what's the current standard, slavery is the only thing lower than force labor and child labor. >> what is the president mean when he says he will boost standards? >> we've been through this before. i come from flint, michigan where these sorts of agreements led to us losing 95% of our manufacturing jobs. this is not an effort that will elevate the standards in other

kunltryes countries. this is an effort that will race to the bottom. even if we have agreements that are written that are supposed to be able to elevate standards, what about enforcement, i see nothing that would indicate strong enforcement. what about occurrencurrency. this agreement should include strong currency provisions and very strong robust enforcement. i see nothing in that regard. the problem is congress can't seed its constitutional responsibility to regulate trade. no matter who the president is. >> let me just say, we have currency, state-owned enterpr e enterprises that are being subsidized and if you look at what they're talking about, look at the history of the trade deals in the past and talk about the enforcement as the two congressmen talk about, we, the

united states brought enforcible action against gitmo, it took six years, it's a joke. so how do you enforce labor rights in vietnam? what will send that they will fwrant us? want from us? >> why hasn't the administration explained this to the american people. all of this is behind closed doors, if the american people knew the devil in the detail there would be mars in the stre -- there would be marchs in the streets.

>> in this case members of congress can not readily access this agreement. yeah i can make a special appointment they will bring it to my office, i can't have any staff in the room, can't take notes, i can't talk about it, but i can sort of look at it, 27 chapters, it's even kept secret from congress. they don't have a chance to review it, debate it, or hold hearings on it because it would raise outrage among the american people. senate will roll over easy but if we can form alliance with tea party republicans and people who are true conservatives, and those of us who are progressive and see this as a disaster, i think we can put together a majority and deny his fast track. if he doesn't get fast track he's not going to get this deal. >> can i just say something they will use trade adjustment

assistance to try to bring in more members of congress to be supportive of these trade deals, and it is simply funeral insurance for after you lost your job, the more they put out for taa that means the more jobs they think we will lose. >> i was going to say, if they use trade adjustment assistance as an inducement, what are they saying, i thought they said these agreements will increase employment but that acknowledges we will lose jobs. .net think congress can seed its responsibility. i recent the notion we're supporting the status quo, these agreements being agreed on without us even weighing in on them. >> all right gentleman you've given america a lot to think about on this issue, no doubt. i think the president is dead wrong on it.

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repeatedly to congress, white house and the american people. concluded torture known as waterboarding did not produce results. former cia leaders are already firing back. >> to say we relentlessly over an expanded period of time lied to anyone about a program that wasn't doing any good that beggars the imagination. >> said the program helped find osama bin laden and they say the senate never inthe viewed the officials named. president obama acknowledged the program last august. >> we tortured some folks. we did some things that are contrary to our values. >> joining me tonight, msnbc contributor and editor. good to have you with us on this subject.

i know you were involved in the research. give us the break down in the risk of releasing this and the senate democrats who were saying, especially one who sits on the committee for a number of years, says we have to release this so it doesn't happen again in the future. what is the up and down side, steve. >> thank you ed it is great to be with you. this report shows at a dark time in american history we did dark things. it was unimaginable in the cold war when we fought the soviet union for us to do this stuff, that we would respect rule of law and human rights and we didn't throw people in dark dungeons and deprive them of all sorts of things that they would deserve and this reports documents that the united states did those things during the bush administration. people like ron widen, and diane fienstein and even republicans

like john mccain, have said we need to put this report out there because without doing that would allow a dark moment in our history go without the punctuation point that it was wrong to do and this we recognize that it was wrong to do, and so yes, whenever you reckon siel nasty things with the public record there's a moment of potential shock and we may see, in fact, some response around the world that says the united states is not the beacon on the hill that we thought it was and that we have to pay some price. i hope that doesn't happen but i think it is wise that we're careful. that said it's a far greater positive thing to put this report out and let americans know where many of us including myself said it's not healthy to have a government engaged in a national security state that not congress or anyone else has the ability to have oversight of.

>> if this created targets over seas is this the only way we can handle this. the military has a saying, on a need to know basis. if we have people with checks and balances in the government and they can do something about it is there a way we can get around not releasing it? >> i don't believe we can. this is a very, very dark moment. the cia was actually spying on diane fienstein's staff with relation to this report. the executive branch of government spying on the legislative branch of government, so the notion of democracy and human rights, this is a very deep issue. jane mayer won the pull pulitzer prize for her book about cheney and bush called the dark side that outlined some of these dark

issues. so this will allow us to move forward past this terrible point in history. regrettably i don't see anyway not to proceed with the publication of this report. >> okay. >> even though i think they have taken a lot of measures to try to protect people that might be alluded to in the report. >> more discussion coming up on this. great to have you with us steve. appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> still to come, fighting against the chokehold of poverty. we'll talk about intersection income and racial equality play in all of this. we have a power packed rapid response panel coming up. and later, college football playoff, the lineup, i don't like it! but next i'm taking your questions on ask ed live. stay with us. on "the ed show."

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welcome back to "the ed show." peaceful protest turned violent in berkeley, california over the weekend. over 400 where are marching in

protest in memory of michael brown and michael garner. officer's used tear gas to shut down groups on the highway. over the weekend members of the nfl and now the nba displayed michael garner's last words," i can't breath" on their apparel and gear. president obama addressed it. >> we have to be consistent. typically progress is in steps, it's in increments. when you're dealing with something as deeply rooted at racism and bias in any society you have to have to be vigilant and recognize it will take time and you have to be steady so you don't give up when we don't get all the way there. >> today the justice department

took new steps to profile by agents. racial profiling has been off limits since 2003 now the guidelines exfoond race, gender and gender identity. it is a movement for social justice in america no doubt. joining us now, political analyst and president of the robert f kennedy center for justice and human rights. good to have both of you with us tonight. carrie, poverty plays a big role in this social injustice and income inequality in america. how do we remedy that in the midst of this conversation? >> well you know, poverty is a big part of us and we, especially for african-americans, their chance of living in poverty is multiple

times that of white americans, but it is both in poverty and also in law enforcement and social justice across the board. for instance, right now, ten times as many white-americans as blacks use drugs, and yet, rather five times as many whites as blacks use drugs and yet a black american is ten times more likely to be in prison for drugs than a while-american. we see this across the board. >> michael, how does the president's response to these protests measure up in your opinion? >> very poorly. look, i love the president. i'm sorry a huge supporter of his but he's got to step up. he sounds like the opposition to martin luther king, jr. in

berming ham when they cautioned him to moving too quickly and cautioned him to move in steps. martin luther king said why we can't wait, wrote the letter from birmingham jail so i know president obama is not a social prophet but a president but the social response must be we can't wait. king, jr. said i refuse to take the drug of gradualism and i think president obama is arguing for that when indeed we have to press more. we have to insist that the phrase that mr. obama used in regards to dr. king is the fierce urgency of now, dr. king meant that about social resistance being pressed forward now. the president has to understand it has to be met by equally strong resistance on the part of

those who want to fight for justice. >> how does this compare in the 60s and the work your father did. >> it is interesting if you hear my father's speeches about riots in the 60s and race relations in the 60s really hasn't changed that much, holds true now, you don't have to condone rioting to understand where it comes from, understand that anger and frustration. and he talked about the violence. you know, one form of violence is lighting fires and shooting bullets, but another equally destructive violence is the institution's failure to response to poverty and to give people a chance. you can understand why people feel that they don't have a shot

in america at raising their children in decency, giving them a good education, giving them a good and decent jobs, those are some of the issues we really have to address. >> doctor, we have some of the most visible athletes in the country right now that are walking in lock step with the protesters and making statements. a unique combination in relation to the 60s. what's happening here? is this going to push the wheels of justice? >> i hope so. back in the days you're speaking of, noble athletes understand they belonged to a broader group and became representatives and voice pieces and spokes people for them by default because of

their fame and their celebrity. they felt a moral responsibility to represent. the problem is with today's athletes, social conscience has been siefonned off into social service. talk about visiting hospitals, all of that is good, it doesn't deal with the fact there are structural issues that have to be addressed. >> yeah. >> and if they leverage their authority and fame in behalf of those who are vulnerable and none mouse it will make a huge difference and i celebrate them to keep moving. >> what is shocking is the republicans are condemning people for getting involve in this issue in our country. we should not be discouraging athletes, but encouraging athletes, and encouraging students and encouraging you know yunion members to exercise their democratic rights and to be on the streets and say we

have to put an end to this racial violence in our country and we have to have a deep and thorough talk and action on race and poverty and all the issues that impact our lives. >> and your organization, carrie has done so many great things, the auction is in full swing, the big dinner is next week. looking forward to that. thank you so much. michael we'll continuing the conversation. thanks for joining us. coming up the disturbing u.va rape story. keep it here we're right back. i lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesn't hold me back. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. non-24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70% of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms

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on the night of her alleged assault. this weekend the magazine revised the language and an apology to emphasize the fault is not with the victim. the story generated campus protests and vandalism of the fraternity's property. it prompted the university president to suspend the activities of the university's more than 60 greek organizations. sullivan said she was appalled by the story. she also asked for a full investigation by authorities. national groups are responding. they are demanding the university apologize for a rush to judgment and reinstate all fraternities. a lawyer who is representing jackie told "the washington post," she and her client are declining to comment beyond her interviews. on the surface, this looks like a possible case of bad journalism. the consequences for women who are victims of sexual assault

are far more severe. joining me tonight, president of the national organization for wom women, also with us tonight, zerlina maxwell. great to have both of you with us. start with you first, zerlina. isn't this as much a horrible case of journalism as it is anything else, to start it there? >> yes, i think this is a situation in which jackie was failed by "rolling stone." i think that "rolling stone" should have verified the account that was given to them, just to cover their own backs and to protect jackie from what is now just really, really ugly victim shaming and blaming. and really disbelieving, even though there is no evidence at this moment that she made up the entire account. and as so many experts and doctors will tell you, there are always going to be discrepancies in an account because of the

damage to the hippo campus of the brain. and many survivors have ptsd where that damage is done. so we really need to default to a compassion here, because jackie is a person and has been greatly failed by bad journalism by "rolling stone." >> terry, does this set new standards for the media in reporting stories like this? because if it goes really with no scrutiny what is this going to do to future victims? >> ed, i don't think it sets new standards. i think "rolling stone" failed to use standards that have existed within journalism for a very long time. but what i'm seeing here is the rape denial machinery gearing up and getting into really moving in to actually destroy the victim, to engage in exactly the kind of rape denial that is part and parcel of rape culture. it's a huge problem on college

campuses. you see the national fraternities are now coming in, in order to isolate the victim, to shame the victim, to shut her down. my hope is that we have -- we are on the brink of turning a corner in undoing this kind of rape denial, rape culture. >> zerlina, there clearly are discrepancies in the story. there's clearly discrepancies in what the victim has said. so where does that leave us at this point? >> well, i think it shows us yet again, this is a really complicated issue. it is not common that there are rampant amounts of false allegations, where women are simply going in and making things up. i think jackie's story reminds me of so many other stories where there are accounts that don't match up and there are discrepancies. but that's the result of ptsd

and the trauma that goes along with sexual assault. and i think it's unfair that we go on the hunt for these discrepancies in the victim's account. but we don't do the same level of examination of the alleged rapist's account of events. >> well, they go on the hunt for it, because defense attorneys are going to do everything they possibly can. >> oh, yes, right. >> to make sure that those who are accused are going to be set free by the truth. >> and i think that for me, this is where that -- there are two tracks here. on the one hand, we're talking about innocent until proven guilty, which is a legal standard. in the world, though, since none of us are judge and jury, i think that all of us, as individuals, and as a collective society, the collective we, can default to empathy. so we don't necessarily have to attack jackie by default. that's what i'm trying to say. >> i get that.

and zerlina, how does "rolling stone" make this right? >> i think that they have to be completely transparent. they need to tell the public exactly what led to this problem that they're having in this moment, where it looks like they haven't been completely forth coming. it looks like jackie asked, according to "the washington post," that she asked to be taken out of the story, and they didn't abide by her demands to be taken out and that is just completely unethical and wrong. it's a lot of questions here, unanswered. >> terry, where do universities go on dealing with this? what has to change, if anything? >> the first thing that has to be done, women who come forward saying that they have been sexually assaulted, they need to be given the innocent until proven guilty benefit of the doubt. we know that the way brain chemistry works and the rush of fight, flight, freeze, hormones

that happen during an extraordinary trauma like rape, can really interview with a victim's ability to tell a coherent story. so innocent until proven guilty must be applied to the victim. currently it's the opposite. the victim is presumed to be a liar because of the innocent until proven guilty that's applied to the perpetrator. so we need to somehow balance things out. the universities need to understand how rape culture works. and i think it's really important to understand that within six months of a sexual assault, many rape victims who at first are believed by their friends and supported by their friends, within six months, the friends have disappeared. the perpetrator has marshalled all of his defenders and they're now beginning to attack and isolate and exclude here. the vast majority of rape victims never finish college. and the vast majority of rapists

are able to finish college. that's got to change. >> all right, terry o'neil, zerlina maxwell, great to have both of you. i appreciate your time. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, fixing a national problem. we've seen outrage across the country because police officers aren't facing charges in the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. but these aren't isolated incidents. over and over again prosecutors fail to indict police officers after fatal encounters with civilians. in a new report, the new york daily news found 179 fatalities, involving on-duty, nypd officers since 1999. just three