are able to finish college. that's got to change. >> all right, terry o'neil, zerlina maxwell, great to have both of you. i appreciate your time. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, fixing a national problem. we've seen outrage across the country because police officers aren't facing charges in the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. but these aren't isolated incidents. over and over again prosecutors fail to indict police officers after fatal encounters with civilians. in a new report, the new york daily news found 179 fatalities, involving on-duty, nypd officers since 1999. just three of those cases led to

indictments. and only one resulted in a conviction. one conviction out of 179 deaths. and it's not just in new york. the houston chronicle reported similar numbers in an investigation last year. the paper found 81 police shootings by dallas police officers from 2008 to 2012. just one officer was indicted. and grand juries cleared houston police officers after shootings 288 times in a row. there's a pattern. when police officers are involved in a shooting, local prosecutors just don't indict them. prosecutors and police work together every day. they're essentially co-workers. the whole process is a giant conflict of interest. and it needs to change. it's why the family of tamir

rice, the 12-year-old shot and killed by an officer in cleveland, is pushing hard for an indictment. it's why we saw huge protests over the weekend. people know the system isn't right. and moments ago, president obama said those protests remind us of the work we need to do. >> a country's conscience sometimes has to be triggered by some inconvenience. because i think a lot of people who saw the eric garner video are troubled. even if they haven't had that same experience themselves. even if they're not african american or latino. i think there are a lot of good, well-meaning people. i think there are probably a lot of police officers who might have looked at that and said, that's a tragedy, what happened, and we have to figure out how to bring an end to these kinds of tragedies. then attention spans move on. there's the next thing. there's some international crisis. there's something that happens here. and change doesn't really occur. and the value of peaceful

protests, activism, organizing, it reminds the society, this is not yet done. >> america is not done yet. we have more work to do. and that commitment to justice is how we'll address an issue that more and more americans realize is a national crisis. joining me now, mark claxton, former new york police officer and director of the the black law enforcement alliance and former prosecutor and host of "justice faith," faith jenkins. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you. >> mark, you're a former nypd officer. is there an inherent conflict of interest to have prosecutors handling police shooting cases? >> absolutely. without a doubt. some people consider the relationship between the prosecutors and the police to be somewhat symbiotic.

i happen to personally believe and i think the evidence will bear out that it's more incestuous. when you continue this incestuous system and expect a different result, we will continue to get the same result from prosecutors around the nation, if we don't change the structure of the system itself. the format of policing, and change the dynamic of the relationship between policing and prosecutors. and even change the investigative track that prosecutors have to rely on. we have to remember, often times, before it even hits the prosecutor's hands, that case has been investigated on some level. evidence collected. witnesses interviewed, et cetera. >> by police. >> that's done by police. >> correct. the foot soldiers of all of that, faith, are the police themselves. and you're talking about a policeman and a prosecutor is presented with that. >> right. >> and the bar is so high on the federal level, that the

jurisdictional threshold is so high, that it usually isn't state prosecuted. should a special prosecutor handle shootings and allegations of misconduct? >> yes. based on the number of cases we've seen recently and every day across the country, we have a system in place. any time you have a system in place that doesn't have an adequate check on the power, or an adequate check on accountability of the system, you're creating an atmosphere that's ripe for abuse. we have government inspectors for restaurants, for food. it's not because we don't like restaurants. it's because we want a check for the public safety and public health. >> an objective check. >> we have health care inspectors, not because we don't like doctors, but because we want to have a check on the services provided to people. this is about making policing better -- >> but you don't have doctors in business with the doctors doing the checking.

you don't have restaurant people that are in business with the restaurant doing the checking. >> right. >> the fear here for many of us is, police and prosecutors are in business together. >> they are policing. and because we don't have that in other government agencies, but yet we are expecting police and prosecutors to police themselves, that's just one of the reforms that has to change. today the new york attorney general came out today asking the governor to give him the authority, his office the authority, to review all police deaths -- all deaths of civilians at the hands of police officers. that is going to be another check now. not just local police investigating themselves. but now the attorney general is asking to step in and make their own investigation. >> that's where it goes now because we've finally seen a significant number of americans say, we need change. but now change to what? and the new york state attorney general coming out in the big march this weekend, raising that. a new nbc poll found there's

broad agreement to require police officers to video recorders. 76% of americans think it's a good idea. but when people ask if different standards applied to white and blacks by law enforcement, there was a big racial divide. 82% of african americans agreed, while only 39% of whites agreed. how do you -- how do we bridge that divide, mark? >> well, people still remain unwilling and really defensive about even discussing race. the realities of race. the perceptions of race. and having honest and open dialogue. a necessary discourse, until people can get to the point about the willingness to discuss race, you'll always see that type of skewed figures. i think it's also important, this president announced task force has the potential to be

significant because of its input in revolutionizing the way law enforcement conducts business across this nation. i think there's a potential for great things coming out of the task force and shifting away from heavy-handed, militarized police and prosecutor's offices that operate sometime in subjective manner. >> you know, faith, the justice department expanded its rules against profiling in law enforcement and president obama described the meeting with young activists who had experienced profiling. listen to this, judge faith. >> when they described their own personal experiences of having been stopped for no reason. or having generated suspicion because they were in a community that supposedly they didn't belong. my mind went back to what it was like for me when i was 17, 18, 20. as i told them, not only do i

hear the pain and frustration of being subjected to that kind of constant suspicion. part of the reason i got into politics was to figure out how can i bridge some of those gaps in understanding so that the larger country understands, this is not just a black problem or a brown problem. it's an american problem. >> how do we fix this problem? how do we approach fixing it, judge faith? >> one of the other reforms that we need in terms of training police officers. you know, a lot of these issues, it's not racism that's the problem. it's people who are oblivious to their own prejudices. look how darren wilson described mike brown as a demon who could run through bullets. look at the way eric garner was treated on the streets. not as a father, a husband, a son, but of someone who was so dangerous he was wanted dead or alive on the street that day in that police encounter.

we have to train our officers to identify what those images are and deal with them so that when they police communities and people in the african american community, they will do so knowing, if they have implicit biases -- >> i agree with all the sensitivity, but i also think that policemen need to understand there will be a penalty if you break the law. >> absolutely. >> until we do that, i don't think they even have the need to question it, if you look at this data, and they can just walk away. >> i agree with you. until someone goes to jail, until someone is put in handcuffs, we are not going to see the kind of -- >> and most police are not guilty of anything. but those that are, we have to have a system that can hold them accountable. mark and faith, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. coming up, breaking news about the new report on torture during the bush war on terror. thousands of u.s. ms marines re

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breaking news, 2,000 marines on high alert around the world, ready to respond to potential threats over a top-secret new report that is coming out on torture. the report coming out tomorrow. it looks at the bush administration's use of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. during the darkest days of the war on terror, the report is said to accuse the cia of misleading president bush and his white house about the nature, extent, and result of brutal techniques like water boarding. but the former president is rejecting those accusations. >> we're fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the cia, serving on our behalf. these are patriots. and whatever the report says, if

it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base. and i knew the directors, i knew the deputy directors. i knew a lot of the operators. these are good people. really good people and we're lucky, as a nation to them. >> he's not distancing himself from the report or the tactics. but the details are disturbing. reuters is reporting the report will show one detainee was threatened by his interrogator with a buzzing power drill. and one was sexually threatened with a broomstick. this is wrong. and president obama talked about it this summer. >> in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. we did a lot of things that were right. but we tortured some folks.

we did some things that were contrary to our values, and we have to, as a country, take responsibility for that. so that hopefully we don't do it again in the future. >> joining me now is "the washington post's" dana millbank. dane a thanks for being here. >> hi, reverend. >> this report has been five years in the making. just how damning is the report expected to be to the bush administration? >> well, clearly based on what we've been hearing so far and the extent to which the intelligence agencies have pushed back against the release of this report, it's damaging to the bush agency, but it's particularly damaging to the cia and the intelligence community itself. because not only does it reach that conclusion, you were saying that the bush administration was perhaps misled, but it's also saying these techniques were more widespread than had been known previously. so that's the concern, that it will set off even more trouble

for the united states overseas. >> aside from the concern or the trouble, you know, earlier this year, let me pose it this way. earlier this year, vice president dick cheney defended the administration's so-called use of enhanced interrogation techniques, saying, quote, if i would have to do it all over again, i would. the results speak for themselves. isn't that why this senate report is so important? because many on the right still support the use of torture? >> i believe that sun lig-- sunlight is the best disinfectant. there's been a tussle under senator feinstein. so it's been a long-going struggle here and if it does put americans in jeopardy by exposing the techniques that

were used, well, this is also what america is about, is owning up to what's been done wrong in the past and coming clean. that's what makes america exceptional. that's the argument for releasing this, regardless of what the consequences are. so people can see what happens and make sure that this never happens again. you can have this ongoing, raging debate about whether the techniques worked or not. but the answer to the debate is not to squelch it, it's to get more information out there so we can have an informed discussion. >> in 2006 president bush opened up about this enhanced interrogation program for the first time. here's what he said. >> i cannot describe the specific methods used. i think you understand why. if i did, it would help the terrorists learn how to resist questioning and to keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country. >> but it turns out, terrorists have learned from the u.s.

as "the washington post" reported back in august, captives held by isis, including james foley, were water boarded. doesn't that show the immorality of this, that isis is now copying the united states? >> well, this was the argument against it in the first place. that the united states behaves differently than the enemy which operates under barbaric standards. so i'm sure you'll have the defenders from the bush administration coming out now and saying, that will give them a bunch of other ideas. there's no shortage of ideas about how to kill and torture and maim people among the likes of al qaeda and isis. so, you know, i think that argument pales in comparison to the importance of having this discussion. so americans can see what their fellow americans did and have a reasonable debate about whether this war is emblem attic of our

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there's been a lot of news outside of washington recently. and one of the under-reported stories is how the president is charging ahead with his agenda. "the new york times" today calling it a go it alone push. and reporting that after the gop's midterm victories, president obama has declined to humble himself. instead, following through on, quote, his determination to focus tenaciously on his governing objectives. and on issue after issue, the president's agenda is taking hold. on the economy, 56 straight months on private sector job growth. on track for the best year since

1999. on immigration, five million getting protection from deportation. on health care, costs increased at the lowest ever rate last year. republicans are talking about lawsuits. some are even talking about a shutdown. but quietly, despite all the noise, the president is focused on his agenda. >> joining me now are joe madison and joan walsh. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> joe, let's put these job numbers up again. the president's on track, a real streak. and these numbers show the economy is really heating up. is this story getting the attention it should, joe? >> no, it's not. at all. it's not. i hate to use the term mainstream media, because i really don't know what that is today. but the reality is that i talked with the secretary of labor. not only is it on track, reverend sharpton, but it's

being sustained in almost every major component. manufacturing is up. one of the reasons manufacturing is up, here's something else that doesn't get a lot of attention. gasoline prices. >> down. >> -- are lower. when the gasoline price went up, it was blamed on president obama. it goes down, nobody says, thank you, president obama. but when gasoline prices go down, manufacturers come running. health care. remember the affordable care act, obamacare was supposed to be a job killer. guess what? we're creating jobs, and we're creating healthy people who get to go to work. >> but joan, it is also interesting when you look at the fact that 56 straight months of job creation, with no public jobs bill. this is all private sector. imagine if we'd had public

sector jobs, the infrastructure built. and here's what "the new york times" reported about the president's thinking. quote, mr. obama has long since concluded that pursuing dreams of reconciliation in his final two years in office is a fool's chase. so he's offering an alternative model for 21st century presidential success. is president obama creating a new model for presidential success? >> i think he is. i thought that "times" article was interesting, but that one phrase, that he has declined to humble himself. that was fascinating. >> kind of like -- what -- >> he's the president. who wants to see him humble himself? >> and to what? >> we could speculate. but there's been a fairy tale in washington that this president has partners across the aisle

and if he waved his magic ring, he could have republican partners on immigration reform and we know that's not true. the only silver lining of the election results, that it's clear to the mainstream media that there's no partnership across the aisle for this president and he already has a significant legacy. protecting his existing legacy is legacy enough. we know they'll try to eradicate it. it's important that he will use his veto pen if he has to. what he's done on immigration has been very important. we see poll numbers in the latino, hispanic community, are happy. i think this is changing the political terrain, especially for democrats. >> the president was clear, he intended to take bold action. listen to this. >> the principles that we're

fighting for, the things that motivate me every single day and motivate my staff every day, those things aren't going to change. more than anything, what i want to communicate over the next two years, is the promise and possibility of america. i still consider this is the best job on earth and i'm going to try to squeeze every last ounce of possibility and the ability to do good out of this job in these next two years. >> joe, you think the republicans doubt he meant those words now? >> i don't care honestly, and neither does the president, it sounds like. here's what i'm interested in. is the democratic party getting behind him? those democrats what ran for the u.s. senate and supported the president's positions and policies, they won. those democrats that ran away from the principles that the democratic party has stood for,

they lost. and there is the lesson. this is a president who understands. what do you mean humble? roosevelt wasn't humbled. johnson wasn't humbled. clinton vetoed in his last two years, i think, 37 bills. and if the republicans are so big and bad, then when he vetoes them, let them get the votes to override the veto and see what happens. >> but i think that when you look at this also, we all lived through the clinton years. >> right. >> when you contrast the fact that this president is moving forward on jobs, moving forward on immigration, moving forward on issues, dealing with this question of policing, which came from the states, it didn't come from washington. washington's got to help solve it. he's doing everything but having to argue his relevance. i seem to remember a president in the clinton years at this exact stage in his presidency,

in this middle of the second term, had to start reminding everyone he was president and was relevant. >> i'm still relevant. right. and then they impeached him. i think this president has figured out he does have considerable powers at his disposal. i'm told there's going to be announcement on wednesday around early childhood education funding. there's going to continue to be movement. it will not be the movement that he would like if he had legislative partners, but there will be movement on this agenda and also that protecting what has been done already. protecting financial reform. protecting the affordable care act, that those are significant activities as well. it is defensive, but it's important for him to be out there, saying -- proving that he's relevant. he doesn't have to say it. >> not only that, i think the first time clinton talked about he was relevant was in the middle of his first term. joe madison, joan walsh, thank

you for your time tonight. >> and see you on the 13th. >> thank you. >> all right. coming up, george w. bush makes a bold prediction about his brother jeb. plus, a man promised to be eaten alive by a 20-foot anaconda for a reality tv show. now he's getting snake-bitten from the viewers. and this. >> and for the first time in my life, everyone agrees with me. people are high-fiving me, inviting me places. this must be what it feels like to be beyonce. >> my friends upstairs are at it again. "conversation nation" is next.

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we're back with "conversation nation." joining us tonight, mike dotcom's liz plank, "new york times" reporter josh barrel and midwin charles. thank you all for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> we start with a prediction getting a lot of attention today. former president george w. bush on his brother jeb. >> he knows i want him to run. if i need to reiterate it, i will. run, jeb. i think he'd be a great president. >> you've often referred to bill clinton and you talk about his

relationship with your father and how it developed. and your mother as well. and he's your brother from another mother. what does that make hillary clinton to the bush family? >> my sister-in-law. >> interesting. >> do you think that your brother could run against your sister-in-law? >> yeah, and i think he'd beat her. >> do you? >> i do. >> she's formidable. >> very much so. no question. so's he, though. >> so you'll take that bet? >> absolutely. >> josh, he says absolutely, jeb beats hillary. >> that's what he has to say. it's his family. i think jeb might beat hillary. the biggest win was eight points for bill clinton in 1996. so most of these races are reasonably close. and jeb might win, or hillary might win, depending on the economic and political conditions. but obviously he's talking up the family's book. i do think of the candidates in the republican field, jeb is one of the strongest. >> but he's still not beating her. if you look at the latest poll,

you find that hillary is 43. he's 37. now he does better than many. maybe the only one that could stop her, but he's still five points down in the latest poll. >> that doesn't surprise me. i think it would be a very cool race, very fun to watch. these are two families that have been in politics for a very long time. but hillary has more of a competitive edge. and frank wrote a good piece in "the new york times" this weekend, the fact that she's a woman makes her seem a lot less fitting this old-stream mold of what politics looks like. she's a breath of fresh air and i think that's why we're seeing those kinds of poll numbers. >> can hillary be stopped, in your opinion, midwin? >> at least right now, it doesn't appear so. it's a little too soon to tell. i know some of the polls show different things and who's ahead and who isn't. we all know polls have been proven to be wrong in the past.

so they're not necessarily something we can rely on. >> with all the 2016 talk, josh, i want to point out the headline in today's des moines register. it reads sarah palin to return to iowa for summit. it's sparking rumors because the event is being billed as the first 2016 forum. and iowa, with other speakers hinting about a run. >> yeah. sarah palin will never run for president. she has to pretend to maybe run for president, because her business is selling sarah palin speaking fees, books, things like that. in order to maintain relevance, she has to look like a political player, look like somebody who might someday throw her hat in the presidential ring. she resigned the governorship because she decided it was more fun to be a pundit than to be a politician. >> but she has a following. she could mix it up. she could, even a good pretense could upset the republican side

for a while. >> yeah, mitt romney and sar -- sarah palin, great for the late night comedies and she'll make a lot of money. i don't expect her to run at all, but it makes sense for her to keep putting her name in the ring. >> i agree with everything about her dealing with her brand. but a following. if they're geared up, won't that make it a factor for the primary in iowa, even if she didn't run, if it energizes them. >> i think that's right. she has a huge following. they're committed to her. enjoy hearing her speak and following her. what i see her doing is sort of being a conduit for other candidates. in other words, she's going to come out and support them and bring her -- >> that could be very -- it could make the difference in the race. but let's move on to what might

be "time" magazine's person of the year. today it released the top eight contenders. a real mix. pop singer taylor swift is on the list. so are the ebola caregivers. and the protesters in ferguson. russian president vladimir putin has been in the news all year. and so has apple ceo tim cook, who took over the job from steve jobs. nfl commissioner roger goodell has been in the middle of controversy. the president of iraq, founder of tech company, alibaba group also on the list. so who will it be? who should be it? liz, what do you think? >> i'm team taylor swift all the way. i just love her. she's awesome. i think she's done amazing things for -- as a feminist, as a young woman, she's made feminism accessible and

exciting. i wonder where ruth bader gi ginsburg is. why isn't she on this list? when has a supreme court justice been so cool? >> and i think the ferguson protesters, from the time the decision came down with no indictment, these people have marched every day and laid the foundation for the people who are protesting now with the aftermath of the decision in new york. >> doesn't have to be a positive. it could be a negative. putin is a negative to many americans. >> no, it's true. out of this list, i go with jack mau. alibaba is not a familiar company to a lot of americans, but it's one of the biggest ones in the world. and it signals something about china. it's not just a market for u.s. countries anymore. it really signals china's

arrival as a world economic power. and as they get wealthier, they'll become more friendly with the u.s. so i think it's one of the most important stories of 2014. >> do you think that no matter what, people will be disappointed as they are every year, liz? >> of course. >> that's the american way. >> exactly. >> someone's going to be disappointed. >> we weren't disappointed when we all won person of the year back in 2006. maybe they could do that again. you know, i'm ready to repeat. >> i missed that issue. [ laughter ] when we come back, eaten alive? or should i say, nibbles alive? a major controversy over a reality show promising a guy eaten by a snake. >> and live from new york, it's me, "saturday night live" took me on again. we'll talk about it, next. i have a cold. i took nyquil but i'm still stuffed up.

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sthmpt we're back with our panel, liz, josh, and midwin. now to the snake-eating controversy. and this one has my team talking all day. discovery channel heavily promoted a reality show titled "eaten alive," featuring a man crazy enough to be swallowed by a 20-foot snake. >> anaconda. >> oh, my god. >> we're going to get me inside of the snake. >> well, last night, the wait

was over. but here's what actually happened. >> oh, my god. >> in the head! ♪ >> get his helmet off. >> now, a lot of my friends think this is also animal cruelty, but aside from that, the viewers waited nearly two hours to see this. and the guy was never swallowed. the online backlash and mocking started right away. someone tweeted this photo, saying hey, discovery, can i have my own show? midwin, the discovery channel said that it had to be called because of danger. what do you think? they didn't know it was

dangerous when they promoted it? >> okay. you're talking about an anaconda which is a very dangerous animal. but i think they are doing what they're supposed to do. they are a cable network. they are looking for ratings and the best way to do that is to promote this ad nauseum all week until people tune in. >> is this the end of reality tv? have we just gone to where reality tv just can't? >> i feel like if you're stupid enough to devote two hours of your night hoping to watch somebody eaten by a snake, you deserve to be disappointed and not see the guy eaten by the snake. the show idea was dumb. >> i'm against the animal thing, but -- >> with all the depressing news, i guess people wanted to watch something that could take their mind off of it. [ all speak at once ] >> that's all you can think about when you're looking at this happening. what i think is the worst part of this, the guy who did this is

making it about the environment, or saying that he's doing it for a broader cause to draw attention to forest conservation -- >> i've got to do this one before i run out of time. live from new york, it's me. "saturday night live" did it again. >> okay, welcome to "politicsnation." what happened in ferguson has come to new york. this eric garner decision has upset me so much that in three days, i have gained over 100 pounds. and for the first time in my life, everyone agrees with me. folks are high-fiving with me, inviting me places. this must be what it feels like to be beyonce. >> now, first of all, i say every night almost, we can have different opinions. not different facts. there's at least 150 pounds difference between me and him. not being compared to beyonce is not a bad thing.

>> they say imitation is the best form of flattery. except i think they made one mistake with your imitation, they didn't even do a reference to your amazing sock fashion. >> you see how part of my safe is in the sock cover-up business. josh? >> i just think it's unfortunate they didn't do a "conversation nation" segment and we would have gotten the socks in there. >> exactly. >> midwin? >> i loved it. i have to tell you, i thought it was awesome. >> i get a good laugh out of it. they've done me several times. if you're in public life and you can't take people joking about you, you should get out of public life. especially when i don't watch things on saturday night. i'm getting ready for sunday morning. liz, josh, and midwin, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back.

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fill the streets, calling for justice. they have all seen this terrible video and were shocked by the grand jury's decision not to indict. these pictures changed minds. just like during the civil rights era. in 1963, a photographer took this picture of dogs attacking a high school student during a protest in birmingham, alabama. the next day that photo hit the front pages of "the new york times," exposing the brutality. many americans had never seen this kind of thing before and it changed how they viewed the civil rights movement. images matter. they crystallize public opinion. they help move america forward, and we may well be seeing that happen again now. many of us have marched for years, talking about this kind of brutality. but now, americans can see it. and they can make their own

judgments. that's why as we continue protesting and marching this weekend, it must be done with dignity and peace. don't get in the pay of the picture that americans need to see for themselves, by distracting them with behavior not becoming a movement. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. all the governor's men. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. but the scene of action is about to be new jersey. it concerns the office of new jersey governor chris christie. his political team. late friday nbc new york's brian thompson reported that six, possibly eight of governor