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. >> the enhancement interrogation techniques used in the documents although feinstein said torture weren't effective. the full stop. second, the cia provided inaccurate information to the white house and congress. also the cia's management was inadequate and deeply flawed. the final point that the program was far more brutal than the cia ever revealed. as we mentioned, dianne feinstein defended the release from the senate floor. >> history will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say never again. there may never be the right time to release this report.

the instability we see today will not be resolved in months or years. but this report is too important to shelf indefinitely. >> president obama also issuing a statement that read in part, rather than another reason to refight old arguments, i hope today's report can help us leave these techniques where they belong, in the past. some are questioning whether his administration has fully done that. that's what we will look at. this triggered concerns about u.s. security across the world. the cia is offering security for agents involved. u.s. embassies are instituting heavier measures as well that includes the mem bassy in cairo. they positioned ships in the waters near sensitive embassies, ready to respond. they are told thousands of troops to be on guard. following this for us, chief fore correspondent, richard angle. i want you to break down the most striking reactions you have

seen in covering this to the report. >> i have spoke tone a lot of people who were involved in the program. some of the people who are named in the report. some people who consistently opposed these enhanced interrogations. a lot of them are raising questions. raising questions about why it's coming up now. why it's just the cia that is being singled out for this program. why congress is pretending like it didn't know what was going o. so many people knew. it wasn't a program that was over one or two weeks in a couple of dark sites with the beatings and the torture, but everybody knew about it. look the how much documentation she was able to put together. people knew. the cia was asked to do this. they were given authorizations and many people are saying to me privately, now we are being held

out to dry. you asked them to do this and now the world is coming down on top of it. the politicians involved, condi, president bush, senior people knew how was being gathered. they are not being mentioned. the military is not being mentioned. this was a dark period and one that a lot of people say we should move beyond. why at this stage are we just dredgeing it up and focusing on the actions. >> some indication or suspicion this may be about scapegoating. >> rewriting history. when you look at this period and i think we are living in a 9/11 era. i hoped that the final parentheses had been put on. unfortunately we are still living in that 9/11 era.

when you look back, how are you going to remember this? is it remembered as the president in which the cia in secret while lying to the political leadership beat people to death and did horrible things and didn't get results? that's what today's report is suggesting. or was it a period when the country was very nervous and asked to do these horrible things and the practice stopped and you have the political leadership pretending that it didn't know anything and tried to wash their hands. >> when you talk about leaving this era behind, you continued to report in many places and talk to many of the people involved. is your sense that it is entirely left behind when you look at the obama administration policies? >> i think so. the problem ended and it doesn't mean that people are not being interrogated and being abused. what's changed and this is another part, a moral slippery

slope. we are droning a lot more than we used to. what senator feinstein is saying, don't torture people because that's horrible, but you can drone them all you want, including out of a practice we carry out called signature strikes. that means you drone someone and you don't know who they are. you don't know their name or identity. you know kind of their behavior. they have the signature pattern of a terrorist. they are killed directly. >> often with their families and animals. that seems to be okay. i have a question. what happens if you get a new administration that thinks the drone practices are all wrong? are you going to drag all of these people in front of a truth and reconciliation committee when the practices are going on, everybody knows about them. everybody knows they are not perfect. that's what we are seeing here. >> those are questions we will look at.

thank you for your reporting on this. we are looking at examples of how brutal the practices were. it will be interesting to see how history looks back at the current practices in the same manner. thank you. former vice president cheney and directors and a lot of strong voices have been speaking out against this. these did work contrary to what has been said on the floor today and they produced results. saved lives. listen to senator mccain sharing his reaction on that floor. >> torter produces more misleading information than actionable intelligence. what the advocates of the methods never established is that we couldn't have gathered as good or more reliable intelligence from using humane methods. >> following the reaction to this, foreign correspondent, what have we heard from the cia.

a lot of outside voices coming to their support. what's the official response? >> they haven't responded to the specific allegations and charges that came out of this senate report. they have addressed the issue of allegations in the past of committing torture. they stood by the techniques, particularly saying that their intelligence, we heard from other officials has been proven to be very successful and important in their counter terrorism efforts. the closest we have gotten comes from former cia officials and official who wrote into the "wall street journal," defending the program. also criticizing very sharply the report saying it was a missed opportunity, calling it one-sided, a-sided study marred by fact and interpretation. calling it poorly done and a partisan attack. it gives you a sense of how the official who is oversaw the program are responding to this

senate report. >> thanks for following that. we will be keeping track here as well. the report concludes that the techniques regula areally resulted in fabricated information and conclude that the agency conditioned to try to lead the white house, congress, the public to believe these techniques worked. even when they lacked evidence for such a claim. the pulitzer prize winning journalist who broke the story on the black site prisons. she continued follow this. thank you so much for being here. >> my pleasure. >> what do you find most striking? >> it's a couple of things. one is the length. we are just now going through it. i find it hard it dismiss and i have to say that to begin with. secondly the way that she laid it out, there these big issues of lying to congress, misleading congress as she would say and

using inaccurate information and the attempt to evaluate the effectiveness of the program that aside from the moral questions of whether torture is right or wrong or whether we should never engage in it or sometimes engage in it, they are also trying to take all the transcripts and look at the data and the e-mails and everything they can get their hands on to say is it true what the cia said this program saved lives. their conclusion is no, it did not. they specifically laid out several -- they take 20 examples that the cia has given, three of them in public and others not. we are going through the documents right now to figure out what is there evidence for saying as she did on the floor that these were not effective. in no case did they provide

information that stopped a plot or led to an arrest where that information wasn't available somewhere else. that's a giant important point. >> it's a big point of contention. the former officials were coming out and defending the practices and still say it saves lives and obviously you are combing through the documents. >> they always say that. that's why they do them. they believe that. we have a record and we should look at it and if they top the contest it, they would. >> do you consider looking at the breath of data. is it a credible record? >> well, it certainly is a credible record in the sense that they were given access. they wrangled it out of all the written correspondence. the cia is going to say that's not enough. they should have interviewed people and their come back to that is we didn't want people revising history and relying on faulty memories.

they do use -- it's a record that they can cite a paper trail for. if you are looking at this narrow question of whether it's effective or not, the paper trail should be able to tell you that. this is one of the arguments that the cia most relies on to say this was a valuable program. there is a truth in it. you can find and hopefully this will give us the findings and then you will also be able to see when the cia says and lay them nox each frth and see which is the most accurate or how did they counter the report itself. they are always going to say that these programs worked. now we have a chance to figure out is that true or not? >> looking forward, president obama did dismantle the prejudice programs, but it has been a fight as to how much they

would back down from bush era readings against torture. it seems like where they landed from what we have seen so far is that they are more expansively reading the obligations under that treaty, saying we can't torture even overseas. but that they are still reserving exceptions to that potentially. tell me about your reading of current policy. >> every president is going to maintain a loophole and how big that is and how they explain it. it's absolutely true that the next cia general council will be more careful in making sure if this were to come up again, that the white house knows what it's doing when they sign off. it's an institution that does get its approval from the white house. from the president. doesn't want to be blamed for things that it was given the

authority to do. that for sure will happen again. they will again go to the white house like they did the last time and probably in more detail get an approval. you can also imagine that the white house if they are going to think about doing this ever again will look at the report and the 12 years of discussion we had since and say is it worth it? >> we are going to hear from the former administration voice on the legal questions this this hour. dana priest, thank you so much for helping us understand. >> thank you. >> up next, stay with us. keep it here. we have a lot more on the senate's report on cia torture practices and what that report reveals about u.s. policy going forward. one big exclusive today, we will talk to the lawyer of the man reported to be the first detainee waterboarded by the cia. who is his reaction to the senate report? stay with us for that.

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. you are following breaking news of this newly released cia torture report from the senate. one of the four executive themes is how much more brutal the cia practices were and represented to lawmakers or the american public. in that section, one figure stands out. one of the highest ranking leaders held in the u.s. custody. he is often described as the first detainee waterboarded by the cia after 9/11. according to the l.a. times, the first prisoner held in a secret black site. he is a visiting professor of law and government at cornell and also the counsel for him.

let's look at what the report said about your client much the waterboarding is physically harmful and producing convulsions and vomiting. he became unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth. to your knowledge did your client reveal accurate information during or after the interrogations? >> i can't tell you what my client told me. i am still barred, not with standing the content from telling you the content of his comments to me. i think the take away is three things. one is you are right. the techniques were vastly more brutal than we were led to believe. they talk about rectal rehydration for a number of prisoners. they would -- well, they get them through the rectum. the second thing we need to know

is that the cia misrepresented the need for these techniques and the utility of them. and the value of the prisoner. i have to correct one thing that you said. we have been saying this for a long time. we confirmed that in this report. the cia agrees and recognizes that he was not al qaeda. that's finally contained in this report. we are combing through this. our client is mentioned 1001 times, but we established if you look on page 410, there is an agreement and a consensus and admission that he is not and was not and never was a member of al qaeda. to the challenge now, it's whether the united states is going to be afraid of the truth. we cannot live in a country, i cannot believe we have fallen so

far that as a count rye we are afraid of the truth. all this has to come out. it doesn't matter whether it's a republican or democratic leadership. if we are going to live in a constitutional democracy, we let the people judge whether this was a good or a bad idea. >> that's ineffective and i want to press on that question without getting into anything that your clind disclosed to you. to your knowledge, was anything that he disclosed anything made public so far including this this report accurate, useful information in an intelligence context? >> the report confirms what has been described in an unclassified setting for many years. that's that the answer to your question is no. if we are going to go to the question of whether torture works, we don't ask that question whether chemical weapons work.

nobody pauses to think are chemical weapons a good idea? we ought not use torture. if you are going to go to the question, the lesson of this report is that it did not work. it never worked. the cia knew that unfortunately and misrepresented the utility to the government. >> on this point about whether the client was al qaeda affiliated, the former directors as you may know wrote a column saying once they had been compliant, both turned out to be invaluable sources on the al qaeda organization. what's your reaction to that? >> look, the best information we have now is the content of this report. this was the most comprehensive examination of the torture program that has been conducted. they reviewed four million pages of documents and reviewed the cia's own record of what was

going on contemporaneously and not after the fact rationalizations. the report just puts the lie to that statement. he was compliant from the very beginning, from the very beginning. the information they got was not actionable intelligence. >> i know your client is still in guantanamo bay. we will be following your case and his very closely. i appreciate your time. visiting professor at cornell. >> thanks if are having me on. >> counsel for the first prisoner waterboarded after 9 1 9/11. stay with us, everybody. how is this torture report being received around the world? that is the question we tackle with the chief global affairs correspondents and big reactions. stay tuned for that.

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involved in a serious car crash. no word on his condition, but we know he was taken from the scene by ambulance. we have pictures there. what you are seeing was taken by n, bc charlotte. his truck collided with a car about an hour ago. it is not clear if anyone was seriously hurt in the accident. we will continue to follow this and bring you new information. let's get back to the new details surrounding the harsh interrogation program and secret overseas prisons. has the u.s. military and have american embassies taken security measures across the globe today been justified in doing so? they are preparing for violent reactions to this report. here's the defense secretary speaking about what exactly will be done to protect american interests. >> i have worked with all of the combat and commanders to be on high alert everywhere in the

world. we don't have specific information or intelligence to show that there is anything out there that would lead us to do anything beyond high alert right now, but yes, we were concerned about the content of that report being declassified. what we did with the intelligence communities with the equity holders working with the senate intelligence and we were able to work through the redactions of what we thought was the most vulnerable areas for the department of defense. i think all of our national security agency teams did the same thing. >> that's defense secretary chuck hagel talking about

preparedness. another question, how will it affect the relationships the united states has with allies and others who may have helped with these programs? it's a pleasure. what has it been like. with the allies and the reaction that is at the moment. silence. here's why. america's allies have spent a very long time, years in some cases. they reduced or at least not made public this this report. i have gone through the report and it is a hefty document. this is just the summary. a lot of it has been redacted. you can see large sections that have been plaqued out. i can find no mention of a single american ally in here.

i think true to their word, america has managed to keep the role of some of the countries out of this report. more than 50 countries were implicated in the cia program, 25 of them in europe. poland in particular has been exposed by european court by being the host country for some of these prison sites. this report will be an embarrassment to the western alliance. it challenges the moral high ground that they had since 9/11. russia and china will be able to accuse them of hypocrisy. how care you challenge us when it's clear that you have been doing it. in some respects it is a blow to the alliance. >> we looked at the open society map of all of the countries known to be participating in

rendition and programs during the period that this was something. bill neely, thank you for the update. we wanted to update you on how the news report is reverberating nationally. 168,000 mentions that we are tracking across social media. torture report is trending and accelerating fast. that is that hash tag. 42,000 tweets just for that in the last few hours. the name of the senator who is releasing the report, feinstein is trending. we will keep track of the reaction on all of these fronts. keep it here. one of the most interesting facets. we have more on how the obama administration is changing or failing to with some of these practices. stick around. [ breathing deeply ]

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. >> what have you heard from the white house so far? >> right now senior officials, five of them are in a call. let me give you the highlights. i can tell you that they were in meetings throughout the morning

formulating this response. first of all, they say this is appropriate to what you were talking about before the break. we hope and have confidence governments will understand this is a program that ended years ago. obviously they are concerned about that, including relationships with allies. also in the short-term as we have been reporting for the last couple of days. they say they reviewed the security posture in every u.s. post around the world. they are watching social media for propaganda and response. they have been in response with terror threats that happened here. now look. the president has been clear about this from day two of his administration. he doesn't believe that these interrogation techniques work. you have really two main points of contention. first of all, do they work? we heard john mccain, one of the

republicans on the floor of the senate, making a very forceful case that they don't. many republicans and bush officials disagree. is it worth it is another question. even if they did work and the president said that is irrelevant. it is not who we are as a country. i just asked one senior administration official, but how do you assure that going forward after the president's executive order no longer holds if you have a new administration. how do you assure this continues? they believe this transparenty by getting all the administration out will serve as a deterrent in the future? >> these are programs that ended sometime ago. we will be looking at details of the more complicated policies on how much and where the conventions apply. i know the white house will be sorting through reaction to that. chris jansing, thank you for breaking it down for us.

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for that our nbc terrorism analyst and we are following the story for us. thank you to both of you. i will start with you. are you hearing chatter in response yet? >> it is fairly muted. this is a thick document. it will take time to fall down into the eyes and the minds of our adversarieadversaries. no doubt that particularly when it comes to al qaeda, the group that was responsible for the kidnapping of luke summer who is was just killed in the unfortunate raid to free him, this is a group that is com surprised of gitmo detainees. the found arers were once held in guantanamo. let's point out that this group has been sophisticated and nuanced and there is no doubt they will put out a video or statement addressing this. the question is how much resonance this is going to have.

you had the crazy images that they spoke a thousand words. you have words, you don't have the graphic images. the question is how much resonance is this going to have. you have so many events taking place in syria and in iraq and yemen that are undeniably graphic. what are the most sensitive revolutions? >> i think part of it from my perspective has to do with the break down in the oversight at least from the perspective with the senate report. in terms of how the cia was carrying out the program and bring it to the attention of president bush and the lack of clarity or oversight from the perspective of those who carried out these findings. it highlights what has now appeared to be the contentious relationship between the cia and senate intelligence.

in terms of interrogation or torture, there hasn't been anything that we didn't know about. we knew about waterboarding and we knew about the suspects subjected to them including khalid shaikh mohammed and others. i don't think from the perspective of those who have been covering it, you will find new details, but you see the repeated attempts in terms of the break down of the branches of government to get ahold of the situation. who knew about it and when did they know and who okayed it and the attempts to cover it up in the eyes of the senate involving the destruction of the videotapes with the techniques and those revelations. >> evan coleman, i just interviewed the attorney who is mentioned repeatedly in the document as one of the first to be subjected to the enhanced techniques who said directly to me, no, he does not believe his client ever surrendered any useful information.

does that square with what you are hear something. >> we know these individuals gave up information as a result of these techniques which was not only wrong, but misleading and at least one case may have propelled us into a war. there is no doubt they led to misinformation or the wrong information. i think again, more fundamental is the question of were there other means to get this information other than enhanced interrogation techniques. my father was a prisoner of war too and tortured by the nazis and they used drowning techniques. he was the first 1 to say they don't work because when you are in that situation and you feel like you are drowning, you will say anything to make those people stop what they are doing. that's the problem with using these techniques. they are not reliable. >> thank you, both of you. appreciate your insights.

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. >> the most important pieces were big enough and strong enough to say we made a mistake. we are exposing that. that will strengthen us, not weaken us. it will make it more difficult for the mistake to be made again. that's the important. >> joe biden speaking a few minutes ago in washington, d.c. of course about the revelations in that report on cia torture practices. the report sparking heated reactions on the hill and republican senator lindsay graham calling it politically motivated. mike rogers, the republican from michigan said it will only inflame our enemies. the release by senate democrats in the waning days are being

questioned by others. the interview with the "new york time times", the former vice president suggested this is a cover for those on the democratic side who are briefed on the program to admit that and so are going back to construct a rationale to say, they didn't tell us the truth. joining us for more on the reaction in washington, capitol hill correspondent luke russert, who is following all this. luke, what has been the predominant tone in the reaction today? >> reporter: well, i would say from the republican side, you've seen for the most part really aside from john mccain, dismissal. this was politically motivated. saxby chambliss and mitch mcconnell releasing a joint statement saying the committee disagreed with with moving forward to begin with. they cite the fact that the methodology used within this report is flawed that there

weren't enough inte views of key witnesses. that there wasn't a real awareness of things the cia said were misleading within this report and there wasn't adequate change able to be made to them. all that being said, though, ronan, when you look back over the course of what dianne feinstein said on the floor, you start to see what harry reid said, this whole idea this was sort of the worst for the bush administration and they wanted to really shed some light on it, if you will. so, while your republicans are angry and they're sort of saying this is a political witch hunt, five, seven-year investigation, a lot of details and data in here, all put into one, it's something that will be debated to of a long time. >> luke russert, thank you for that update from the hill. of course, the president also reacting today, saying this and these types of practices, in particular, should be a thing of the past. to what extent is that the case under his administration? well, the u.s. is a signatory to the convention against torture

by almost every reading ban this is kinds of cruel treatment outlined in the report. the bush administration argued, that convention didn't apply to america outside of the u.s. this year human rights advocates, including senior military leaders, wrote to president obama, urging him to back down from that reading, to affirm that the u.s. will not torture ever. the obama administration seems to have compromised, saying torture bans apply wherever the u.s. exerts, quote, governmental authority. but apparently still leaving a big door open to torturing at so-called black site prisons, technically in territories controlled by other countries. an attorney who specializes in these international law issues and who worked in the obama administration in the state department office of war crimes issues. thank you for your time, beth. does the obama administration still retain the right to use these kinds of techniques in some cases today? >> not at all. we have congressional enactments including the detainee treatment act, which makes it very clear

these tactics are prohibited in all places. any u.s. government official, authority, low level, high level, all are barred from using these practices by u.s. domestic law. it's also all barred by a multilateral treaty joined by hundreds of other states, also stating that torture anywhere is prohibited and also cruel treatment. other forms of lesser, mistreatment of detainees. >> when you look at charlie savages reporting on this in "the new york times" and the delegation we sent to geneva because the u.n. was asking, what is our reading as a country of the convention against torture, when you look at how they parsed this, saying it only applies where the u.s. exerts territorial control, why do you think it's so carefully then? >> other treaty bodies say this treaty apply wherever they have treat authority. that includes a state of occupation, where the state acts as a state,there a foreign state, but it could also apply

in situations of detention centers, where the state has authority -- jurisdiction exclusive over particular individuals. so, if we had a detention center abroad, say, in afghanistan or iraq, our treaty obligation would follow us to those detention centers as well as u.s. domestic law and juris prudence that has come out of our own federal courts that have said some of these practices are unlawful. >> back in 2007 the then-senator barack obama issued a press release entitled torture and secrecy betray american values. he wrote the secret authorization of brutal interrogation is an outrageous betrayal of our core values and a grave danger to our security. referring to the then george w. bush administration. how do you think that compares to his current track record on torture? >> i think it's an important statement. i think what we see from this torture report and the reporting

around, it including senator mccain's statement, which was quite strong, is that we realize that torture does not work. it's ineffective. if there was ever a live debate about this question, that debate has now been definitively put to rest. this report reveals it does not work. therefore, there's no incentive to engage in these acts because they simply don't work. we need to use our intelligence. we need to use, in the old sense of sort of tea and sympathy, you need to outsmart individuals that have actionable information rather than trying to beat it out of them. it simply doesn't work. >> when you see some human rights advocates saying it appears with the current language this administration is using about where we exert territorial control, there is some kind of a loophole maintained. what's your response to that? >> i think the reality is the administration is at odds with each other internally. there are some agencies, i think, that are willing to go farther and say, in fact, wherever a u.s. person exercises effective control over an individual, the responsibilities of the torture convention and of

our own domestic legislation apply, there might be some agencies within the u.s. government that are unwilling to quite go that far. so, that was the compromise that was reached at that particular committee meeting. i'm confident that over time, the administration will come to a more consensus position that will say, under no circumstances do these treaties not apply when we have effective control over an individual in our custody. >> a complex compromise that was reached. of course, that exact language will become increasingly significant as future administrations read it as well. thank you for coming on today and helping us understand. >> my pleasure. that wraps up today's "r.f. daily" thank you for taking the time at home to join us. a set of complicated issues. my colleague joy reid will have much more -- actually, ari melber filling in for joy reid. a set of great guests he has. keep it right here, everybody. my business only works

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welcome to "the reid report." i'm ari melber. joy reid is on assignment. there's a new report out on cia torture and investigation. led by dianne feinstein, the senate release aid detailed 500-page excerpt of this report finding that the cia's torture after 9/11 was ineffective. that the cia misled congress and used inaccurate information to defend this program. the report also finds it was poorly managed and that the techniques were more brutal than the cia had said. senator feinstein also addressed the critics who were against releasing all this new information. >> history will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say never again. >> what can you tell us? >> well, ari, this report as you were sayg