senate intelligence committee report on post 9/11 interrogation tactics out of the cia. president obama came out and spoke about this. he was unambiguous in condemning those practices. >> we took some steps that were contrary to who we are, contrary to our values. some of the tactics that were written about in the senate intelligence report were brutal. and as i've said before, that's not who we are. >> on the other hand, cia defenders also out in force in a big way today. former cia chief michael hayden tried to put the tactics in perspective on this morning's "morning joe." >> we thought we were doing the nation's will. and, in fact, having lived through the period, and even looking back on it now, i think this was indeed about the nation's will.

>> keep it right here for a closer look at that side of the debate. i'm going to talk to another former cia director james woolsy. also tracking a powerful nor'easter currently slamming the east coast with rain, wind, ice. in case you need another reason to not want to go to jersey ever. take a look at this scene. heavy downpour got a mix of cheers and boos to that in the studio here. dropping up to 3 inches in parts of jersey. it is rough there, also down in pennsylvania, look at this, the massive storm left tree limbs encased in ice. dramatic stuff. here in new york city, a lot of wind, gusts, in fact, up to 60 miles an hour, leaving umbrellas biting the dust. it's also not over yet. the storm is moving farther up into new england today and north central california all the way on the other coast is also bracing for what could be its strongest storm in years. in washington, d.c. this afternoon, a woman who claims bill cosby raped her is expected to file a defamation suit against that comedian.

the woman is reportedly 66 years old and beginning in 2005 she alleges cosby assaulted her back in the 1970s. again, these are several year old claims, but she's filing now. this adds to a list that now includes more than 20 women publicly accusing the comedian of sexual assault. we actually heard from several on this very program. we're going to keep tabs for you. we should note that cosby has denied the allegations in the past and hasn't been charged with a crime. over in illinois, class is canceled at one school for a second day in a row because of a flu outbreak. that's suburban la grange park that sent kids home early today after nearly a quarter of the school's students called in sick. administrators say they wanted to give the school a thorough cleaning and end the cycle of germs. illinois's one of six states, at this point, where officials say the flu is widespread. the cdc says this year's vaccine is less effective because of viral mutations. some happy news over in norway today, officially receiving her nobel peace prize.

17-year-old received the award to a standing ovation. pakistani education activist is the youngest ever to receive the nobel peace prize. her advocacy nearly cost her her life, as you all know, about two years ago when the taliban shot her in the head. malala said the nobel prize is not just for her, but also for the forgotten children who want education all over the world. got to tell you, anthony, one of the biggest honors i've had doing that interview. love we were able to hear her perspective. let's drill down on the fallouts still coming fast after that damning report on the cia and torture. earlier today, senator mark udall called on president obama to force a cultural change within the cia. >> real actual people engaged in torture. some of these people are still employed by the cia and the u.s. government. they are right now people

serving in high-level positions at the agency who approve directed or committed acts related to the cia's detention and interrogation program. >> while the white house repeatedly stressed the moral authority of the united states. >> the moral authority of the united states of america is one of the most powerful tools in our arsenal to protect and advance u.s. interests around the globe. and it's the view of the president that the use of these techniques, regardless of whether or not they elicit national intelligence information undermine our ability to use this very powerful tool. and that is why the president outlawed these techniques in his first or second day in office. >> our nbc white house correspondent kristen welker is following the reaction to this. kristen, has the president weighed in yet on whether these interrogation techniques were effective? does he personally think they helped in finding bin laden, for instance, one of the big achievements of his presidency? >> reporter: well, ronan, that's one of the key questions.

and the president hasn't weighed in. he was asked about that yesterday during an interview with jose diaz ballard. and josh earnest refused to way in this afternoon during the daily press briefing. he was asked a number of times, a number of different ways if these harsh interrogation tactics were effective. and he, essentially acknowledged there's a debate, a big divide. that this report found they were ineffective. however, the current cia director, john brennan has said that these tactics were effective and helped to catch and kill bin laden. when asked specifically if this could have played a role, these harsh interrogation tactics. if they could have played a role in finding bin laden, josh ernest wouldn't respond. instead, he emphasized what you heard him say. he said the larger question is whether these tactics should've existed at all. and he said the president had an answer about that, they shouldn't because they undermine the moral authority of the united states. josh also declining to say whether or not charges should be

brought against any of the people responsible for taking those actions, ronan. >> kristen welker, thank you for that update. obviously we'll be watching closely to see if there are current shake-ups at the cia in the wake of this. there's another big piece of news in washington today, though. the $1.1 trillion omni bus spending bill. that bill aims to avoid a government shutdown. it funds every government agency except the department of homeland security, all the way through september 30th of next year. here's what some house leaders had to say on that. >> they did, frankly, a marvelous job. i wish had been done last week, but it wasn't. and here we are, i'm proud of the work they've done, look forward to it passing with bipartisan majorities in the house and senate in the coming days. >> and it finally sets up a battle in a few weeks on the president on immigration and his attempt at a legal action. >> the vote's expected in the house as early as tomorrow. kelly o'donnell, this is our nbc

news capitol hill correspondent. she's following this. kelly, notably, it keeps domestic spending unchanged. adds funds to fight isis militants. what are highlights in there? >> some of the key provisions the president wanted to deal we bow with ebola, there is money for that. the key accomplishments, this government has been funded in these fits and starts short-term pieces of legislation over the last few years. we've seen a government shutdown. in this case, 11 of the departments are fully funded for the fiscal year. that around here is considered a big achievement. now, there are some policy things that will be changed. for example, the first lady's nutrition program. it gives states a way to back out of some of that. that would be viewed as a defeat for her, not entirely, but a nick at her program. and also, there are changes that would deal with campaign finance reform and wall street oversight. and that's making some progressives very nervous this afternoon, ronan. >> kelly, another interesting

piece of this. tens of millions of dollars included in the commerce justice science bill to help end the national backlog of untested rape kits. what do you know about that? >> well, when i looked into that, the number i found was $36 million more than the department of justice had asked for. to try to deal with this. not every problem can be relieved by throwing money at it. this might be a case where, in fact, that is an option that lawmakers have. you give more resources and those rape kits get a chance to be processed in a far faster way than being kind of in a limbo for years at a time. this is something that both parties are agreeing on and it is definitely a step forward. that's a considerable amount of resources for that important problem. ronan? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. that is, indeed, an important piece of funding. we've talked to a lot of women who have been in that limbo for years and years. appreciate your update on that, kelly. >> you bet. today roger goodell is going

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the country is still reeling today from the release of that senate intelligence committee report on cia torture practices. but the other side, the cia's defenders also have documents to point to. first up, there's the senate committee's republican rebuttal questioning that report's credibility. saying it failed, especially to interview the cia officials involved. then there's the cia's own response. director john brennan disputing democrats' conclusion that the cia program didn't produce reliable intelligence. do those defenses hold up? james is a former director of the cia and current chairman of the foundation for the defense of democracies. thank you for being here, sir. ambassador, is the senate report credible? is there anything to these critiques of its methodology from the senate side, the republican senate side? >> i think the six former

directors and senior officials who signed off on a separate letter and report had it right. they labeled the senate democrats report as poorly done and partisan. and i think any attempt to put together an assessment like that in which they intentionally ignored all other senior officials did not talk to a single one, not a former director, not a former deputy director, not a former head of the clandestine service. that alone says, i think, that the people who put together the senate democratic report did not want to confront reality. they want to be able to write their own story unchained from any necessary ties looking at people who were really involved in these decisions thought and did. >> what about the supposition they had adequate representation of that other side through these

extensive cables and documents they were sorting through that were contemporaneous accounts. >> i practiced la for 22 years. and i don't know anybody in the legal profession that would say, well, gee, yeah, i could have talked to witnesses, to the people who allegedly did this and did that. there were dozens of them. but, gee, i had the written materials. i wouldn't need to do that. that's just nuts. i mean, no professional who puts together reports or briefs or indictments or anything like that for a living would say that. that's just crazy. >> so let's talk about some of the specific critiques from, especially former officials from within the cia community. john brennan and others have taken issue with the cia keeping the white house in the dark. but people look at this report and see president bush wasn't given a detailed briefing since

2006 and it's hard to derive any conclusion. should the president have been briefed earlier? was that business as usual that time line? >> i don't know whether he was or wasn't briefed and to what level. i was gone from the agency by then. but the agency works for the president. and it would be extraordinary if they had not briefed him, in the middle of briefing congress all the time. i don't know exactly what he was told and when but to say that he wasn't briefed at all is to me is not credible. >> one critique you yourself have offered is that other countries that are mentioned in this report won't necessarily work with united states again on similar programs. i think we actually have former director hayden, as well, talking about this this morning. take a listen. >> i think it's more accurate to say -- >> they do this on a promise of discretion on the part of the u.s. we do politically risky things with them.

they understand that we're reliable partners, not so much. they're going to see themselves in this report. there's going to be an awful lot of political blowback. >> i want to get your reaction to his account on that. sounds like you may have similar objections. i wanted to get your take on those who say, of course, well, good we shouldn't have secret alliances on practices with serious ethical or legal problems. >> i think that anybody who takes that latter point of view against what mike hayden said doesn't understand the way intelligence works. we get a very large share of what we know by trading information and giving information to other countries with friendly intelligence services and getting information from them. and the cooperation requires trust. and you really don't want to go to your british colleagues or your german colleagues and say, hey, we'd really like to work on this operation against isis together with you. but would you have your people sign this waiver and drop by the photography studio and have your

mug shots taken in advance. because, you know, you might get prosecuted if you help the united states. the head of the united nations official deals with counterterrorism is already on that tack. i mean, of course it's going to damage our ability to work with friendly intelligence services. maybe very, very severely. >> so looking at all of this, the current administration has stated that the bush era reading of the convention against torture only applied the bush era reading was it only applied on u.s. soil. the current administration has said that's wrong. there's been sort of a tortured legal process i want to get your take on exactly what our obligations under international treaty law should be. it seems like the compromise they've arrived at is that the u.s. exerts governmental authority in a place it can't torture in that place. some say that still leaves the door open for torture at certain sites, certain places operated by foreign sovereign governments. do you think that door is open

under current policy? and do you think it should be? >> well, i haven't made a study of legal and international law requirements. i don't really feel confident to get into that, but i -- i would say this. under any reasonable set of principles, there's going to be a different standard for let's say a police officer in the united states who has apprehended someone who is potentially a terrorist on the one hand. an individual on the battlefield, second lieutenant on the battlefield who captures someone. and then in the third case, someone who is in charge of the interrogation of muhammad who alone i think beheaded 40 people and has the chief of staff of al qaeda plotting their further attacks. those are different circumstances. and the international law ought to permit and make it possible

for people appropriately to behave differently in those different circumstances. >> but looking at all of these accounts that say it just doesn't help to behave differently under the circumstances. you're unswayed by that in your own personal experience, you think it does help to use more extreme practices. >> well, we -- i was back in happier era as director of central intelligence. not only did we not have interrogations of prisoners, we didn't have any prisoners. this was '93, '94, '95. i'm no expert at interrogation law. we didn't have to get into that. but i do think it's really very shortsighted of people to think that collecting intelligence from an individual is like connecting the dots as a lot of people say. if you're talking about a children's game, the dots are numbered. in the real world, the dots

aren't numbered and you don't know what you have. and in order to find out whether someone is important. let's say osama bin laden's courier or not, you may come at it in a very circuitous way. and it's just not a world in which there are specific answers, specific number on a dot and you look, that one now fits. >> all right. another side of this conversation from former director of central intelligence. thanks so much for your time today. >> good to be with you. just ahead, stay here, we're going to look at what you have trended on social media. some interesting ones there. for instance, one harvard professor from column "a," a chinese restaurant from column "b," and oh, one overcharge with extra sauce. twitter, the things you love makes us happy. our daily spike up ahead. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm

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some of today's opposition to the torture practices come from voices who know the war against terror well. voices within the military. two retired generals recently called on president obama to unconditionally support the u.n. convention against torture. that was before a hearing in geneva last month. they wrote in the interest of u.s. national security and your own legacy on torture, you must standby this position. there is no room for legal or moral ambiguity on torture. retired major general paul eaton stands with them, among the military leaders who fought to close guantanamo bay and served for more than 30 years in the u.s. army. he knows a lot of these issues

firsthand. thank you so much for taking the time. a lot of the incidents described in the senate report took place in war zones with a large u.s. military presence. by and large, do you think military culture aided and abetted some of these practices people are now having problems with? or opposed them? >> ronan, thank you. indeed, no. from the very early basic training work that we do with all our new soldiers, we teach the five ss. search, silence, safeguard, segregate and speed to the rear. point of capture is a really emotional event. it's where you've got a lot of -- you've got a lot of tempers going. and we work very hard to get our soldiers to treat future prisoners of war at the point of capture, treat them properly. there are resources to be valued and to get them back to the rear as quickly as we can to safeguard them and then

interrogate them along the parameters of the army interrogation manual. so, you know, we clearly did not want to see this happen. in fact, general petraeus imposed a higher standard than the vice president of the united states with respect to treatment of anybody we captured. >> let's get specific about that. you were in iraq when abu ghraib broke as a huge international story. you testified on that experience to the senate judiciary committee last year. i want to play a part of what you said. >> we worked very hard to develop what the brits call the moral component. then abu ghraib blew up on us. the day that happened. the day it hit the press, my senior iraqi adviser, air force general under saddam retired, came into my office and said, general, you cannot understand how badly this is going to play on the arab street. we lost the moral high ground.

>> you talk about instilling the moral component of this. what can the cia learn in specific practicable terms from the military's experiences and best practices on this? >> ronan, bad things happen to good organizations. the real test of the organization is how it resolved to solve the thing that just happened. the united states has had something bad happen. the primary agent appears to be the cia, although there are discussions that other actors were involved. the way to handle it is to investigate it, let the light of day reveal what happened, and then to endeavor not to repeat the mistakes of the past. so i would encourage the cia to at least address the report, at least to address the issues. i -- those men and women in the cia are our patriots. they are great people. they were charged to conduct

certain activities. if we want to really take an analysis, it's how the commander, the commander in chief establishes the climate whereby his subordinates execute orders given to them. so i think we need to go to the very top to find out the command climate that was set by the president and the vice president, and to assist the agents who carried that out, among them the cia, to address what happened and to move on. >> and when you talk about potential other actors involved, of course there's been a lot of talk about the contractors who are involved in this process and some of these practices. vice news actually interviewed one of the contractors -- take a listen to what he says about torture. >> i love to be able to clarify some of the things that people are saying. a lot of what people are saying is inaccurate. >> to me it seems completely insensible that slapping ksm is

bad, but sending a hellfire missile into a family's picnic and killing all the children and killing everyone is okay. >> all right. a quick reaction from you as we part ways here, what do you say to that comparison? >> false narrative. no. when we take a prisoner, we are morally bound to safeguard that prisoner and to interrogate him in humane manner and not to force him into admitting to doing something, anything just to make the pain stop. we are a nation of values, we've got to move in that way. short gains by torture or long gains or long-term very serious problems to our narrative. >> thank you, retired major general paul eaton for your service and time today. >> my pleasure. thank you, ronan. >> stay here because up next, we look back home at this question. do local police forces really need 460,000 pieces, that's the number we know now of military hardware.

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declined to indict wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. of course, we all remember one big part of that narrative, the clashes between law enforcement and protesters after the brown shooting. this reignited the debate surrounding the militarization of local american police forces. a white house report finding that 460,000 pieces of military equipment have been sent to police. high-powered weapons, tactical vehicles. should that kind of military hardware be in the hands of local forces? i'm joined now by tim lynch, director of the cato institute's project on justice. the white house is standing by the pentagon's 1033 program, which allows a lot of these transfers of surplus military gear to local police. take a listen. >> we found that in many cases, these programs actually serve a very useful purpose. and what is needed, however, is

much greater consistency and oversight of these programs. >> tim, important issue there, standby -- we're receiving word that any moment now we are going to hear from commissioner goodell on that issue we just gave you the update on. we're still awaiting that right now. we just want to let the audience know they're about to introduce him. we may turn to that in a moment, but i think for now, i do want to get your reaction quickly. the white house defending the usefulness of these transfers of military hardware. do you think that holds water? you are one of the foremost experts on this. does this equipment work? >> well, we were hoping for fundamental change once we discovered and it became more aware of the extent of the program of these military weaponry being -- getting into the hands of local police departments. but as you mentioned, the administration is basically coming to the defense of the program and it doesn't look like there's going to be any fundamental change. they're just talking about very modest things, like more training for the equipment and

weaponry and a little bit more of accountability as far as tracking where these things go. a lot of reporters found out that the local police departments cannot account for the weapons that were given them in previous years. so there's a little bit of shoring up. but i'm a little disappointed there's not going to be fundamental change. that's what's needed here. >> saying this worked in boston. what do you have to say to that? that's the example they've given. of militarized gear being used well. >> yeah, well, i know they use that as an example, but the police would have been called out, you know, in regular units. and they could have apprehended the suspects in that case without armored vehicles and flash bang grenades. these are the types of things that even small town police departments are getting their hands on. and it's really turning the culture of american policing

upsidedown. we used to refer to them as peace officers, increasingly, they're wearing these camouflage uniforms, they're getting their hands on m-16s and they're adopting this warrior mentality, which increases the chances of violent confrontations instead of deescalating and avoiding the use of force. that's what we want our police to do. you know, sometimes they have to use force, but they should first try to avoid the use of force and then use the minimum that may be necessary in some cases to bring suspects into a court of law. >> and it is striking a lot of calls for change, including from the white house, but a real reluctance to touch this particular phenomenon of military gear going into the hands of these local police officers. we'll be keeping track, i know you are, too. tim lynch, thank you so much. >> thank you. for this week's call to action, we want to get you to weigh in on this. if you think police forces should be less militarized, there's something you should do, you can go support the stop militarizing law enforcement

act. we heard earlier this week, you can sign a petition asking the house to pass that bill. again, the stop militarizing law enforcement act of 2014. tweet at us to let us know if you have all the information you need on our website. use the hashtag ronation. and up next, why the continued fallout, isis is reportedly doing its own heinous torturing, major breaches of human rights in iraq and syria. we have an exclusive report from inside a hospital in kobani at the center of this. we're also, of course, following that breaking news in the nfl domestic abuse scandal. we are going to keep you posted on that as we await remarks from roger goodell. stay with us. [coughing]

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welcome back, we are following breaking news in the nfl domestic abuse scandal right now. nfl commissioner roger goodell just gave a press conference announcing new conduct policies within the nfl. according to reports we're

seeing, it includes putting players accused of any kind of domestic violence on immediate paid leave while the league conducts investigations. you see him speaking there. a new round of new round of new well we're following right now. we'll bring you any further updates on the goodell story. right now we want to look at big happenings in the fight against isis. in particular, a new round of air strikes battering those militants in recent days. for long time people wondered what legal authority obama would rely on for that campaign. congress will ask for new war powers that don't include geographic limitations many wanted. listen. >> in our view, it would be a mistake to advertise to isil that there are safe havens for them outside of iraq or syria. >> so, a pretty expansive grant of power being asked for there. some in congress are pushing back now. senator rand paul saying, are you sending a message to the middle east that no city is off

limits. nbc's kooier simmons is followi this in london. what is the reaction you're seeing, are many joining rand paul in a sense the white house is going too far by not geographically limiting to this? >> strategically, from people who understand the strategy that's needed, in the end the white house is right. that if you limit where you say you are prepared to go if you like, either through air strikes or on the ground, then you tell your enemy what you plan to do and what they should do in order to protect themselves. just when the bombing began in northern iraq, we saw isis move strategically back toward raqqa, particularly some of its heavy armory. now, there is -- there is also the coming campaign in syria. from a true strategic point of view, ronan, it is the right

thing to do, though the question is, whether or not from a domestic, political point of view, it makes sense. and also whether it is another step towards that slippery slope of the u.s. becoming more and more dragged into the conflict. those are the kind of issues that people are trying to figure out. >> and another big question mark on that front of just how involved the united states is going to be and just how prolonged that involvement will be, outgoing secretary of defense chuck hagel was in baghdad yesterday and he talked to leaders there about their calls we're hearing for a potential winter offensive. what can you tell us about that? we're hearing a new effort to take back their second largest city, mosul. >> yeah, that's right. that offensive might begin. talk is at the beginning of next year if the training has been effective enough of the iraqi army. the same iraqi army, ronan, who basically abandoned their post when isis stormed mosul.

it was the taking of mosul by isis that rang alarm bells around the world. it was a huge deal. so, to get it back would be a massive strategic and psychological blow to isis. the question for the u.s. is going to be whether the iraqis are ready to do it. of course, the really crucial question is not just about whether you can take it back or whether you can hold the city, and those are the kind of things they'll be trying to figure out as they move forward, but it does suggest that the air strikes are having some effect and that, if you like, the combined forces of the u.s., the iraqi forces and the broader coalition are having an effect against isis. >> and, keir, looking at the current conditions in the theater of war, for instance, we've seen kobani battered by this conflict u the strategic border down we've been following events in, what does that reveal about the capacity of the forces we're relying on as partners? >> well, the capacity of the

forces that the u.s. is relying on as forces is mixed. we talked then about the iraqi army. of course, the trouble in kobani and syria, the really big issue is that the forces against isis or much of them are assad's forces, assad's government. the u.s. and west oppose assad's government. at least in iraq you have a situation where the government in baghdad cooperating and friends with the u.s. in syria you don't have that either. it just takes us back, ronan, to this question of how successful this strategy can be, because even if mosul is taken and isis is pushed out of that part of northern iraq, they still have raqqa, their stronghold in syria. and how do you go about trying to dismantle that when the government in syria is a government you oppose? >> of course, all of this

fitting into that broader narrative of the obama presidency turning out to be not so much about winding down these conflicts that his predecessor was marked by. interesting picture there. nbc's keir simmons, thank you for that update. >> you bet. we've also turned to you on a big question today. we to want reveal the results of today's hashtag benefit. we asked you if you think nfl's new policy on domestic abuse, and we just heard commissioner goodell outlining that policy in a press conference, goes too far? 48% said yes, it does. 52% said, no it doesn't. a lot of sports fans out there who think things need to change. thank you for your time. i so appreciate that you join for this hour. a lot of stuff we had to get through. more coming up with my colleague, joy reid. joy, what have you got? >> all right, ronan, thank you. very interesting results on that poll. coming up on "the reid report," we're following the breaking news as nfl releases new

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sean gregory, senior writer at "time" magazine. can you break down, what is in this new policy? >> the main takeaway is there's going to be a reading right from it, disciplinary officer will be hired for the newly created position of special council for investigations and conduct. so, basically roger goodell is getting out of the initial suspending business, which was the big criticism, is why is the guy in charge of running the biz of the nfl playing judge, jury and executioner. not a big surprise there. when all this stuff down, the inconsistent suspensions pp, there was always kind of the feeling within the league office and some consultants that they brought in were saying, hey, you have to kind of recuse yourself from some of the initial suspensions. have an independent person come in. and it looks like goodell, however, retains the right to still be involved in the appeals process. h