right from the doctor's mouth. that's the ed show. politics nation with the reverend dr. bishop al sharpton starts right now. >> all these titles. s republicans are push fog a massive give away to big banks and threatening on shut down the government if they don't get their way. just 30 hours before money runs out to fun the government, gop lawmakers are using a proposed spending bill to speak in a measure that would gut financial reform. one of president obama's key achievements. this morning, senator elizabeth warren took to the senate floor to fight back. >> we put these rules in place after the collapse of the financial system because we wanted to reduce the risk that

reckless gambling on wall street could ever again threaten jobs and lively hoods on main street. we put this rule in place because people of all political persuasions were disgusted at the idea of future bailouts. and now, no debate, no discussion, republicans in the house of representatives are threatening to shut down the government if they don't get a chance to repeal it. >> the target, is a rule that would undo regulation, preventing banks from placing risky bets with taxpayer money. the new york times reports the measure was, quote, essentially written by lobbyists for citigroup. >> this is a democracy and the american people didn't elect us to stand up for city group.

they elected to us stand up for all the people. i urge my colleagues in the house whose votes are essential to moving this package forward, to withhold support from it until this ricky give away is removed from the legislation. >> today that message is galvanizing democrats. house minority leader nancy pelosi says she is deeply troubled. senator sherrod brown says it is a giveaway to wall street and retired congressman barney frank, the financial reform law is named after him. he calls the bill, a stealth attack. democrats have the power to stop this plan from moving forward. senator warren and others should use that power. join me now, democrat from i

will and i will msnbc's joy this reid. thank you for being here. >> congresswoman, this is an attempt to gut financial reform written by lobbyists behind closed doors and slipped in at the last minute. what is your reaction? >> this is one of the most audacious moves by the financial services industry to absolutely gut the controls that we put on so they would not be able to brumt our country again. almost bring us to bankruptcy. these people have now voted to repe repeal, to actually repeal. this is the name of it. prohibition against federal government bailout of swap entities. >> that's the name of it. >> that's the name of the provision -- >> a question. will you vote for it? >> i am absolutely a no vote on this. taxpayers once again should come to the rescue of making these

risky investments. no way. i am not going to vote. >> you speak of boehner. needs democrats to pass this vote because the extreme right doesn't want to vote for it because of immigration and other things i'll get into. he can't pass this without democrats. will democrats vote for it or will they vote no like you just said you would? >> i'm talking to a number of my colleagues who are leaning against the bill, or actually going to vote against the bill. if those republicans want to bail out wall street now and forever. i feel they should do it on their own. not come to democrats who finally got some protection from the risky activities of wall street. and i am just absolutely -- >> let me to go my colleague. senator warren points out, we're talking about the same risky bets that crimmed the economy a

few years ago. listen to this. >> a deal negotiated behind closed doors that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system. these are the same banks that nearly broke the economy in 2008 and destroyed millions of jobs. >> isn't that the key point that america has seen firsthand, what this kind of bet, what the danger that these risky bets have done to this country? >> and i think congress is could you pleasing on the fact that the american people may not be paying attention to the specifics or understand the specifics. to put it in plain language, before dodd frank, what tanked the economy, part of what tanked the u.s. economy baltimore wall street would bet on these credit default swaps. this complicated risky bet.

if they won, they made money. if they lost, they were bailed out by the taxpayer through fdic. dodd frank moved that kind of credit default swap bet out of the category that taxpayers could bail out. put them in a category that could not be bailed out by us, by you and me by the taxpayer. now the financial services industry has been pushing to get back in the category where they get bailed out. this would literally reinstitute the kind of casino betting the taxpayer would bail them out if they lose and they would make all the money if they win. it would put things exactly back where they were before dodd frank. so it is a really outrageous debate. it didn't get debated on the house floor. it was put in in the last minute. it is from the lobbyist's desk directly to the house of representatives. if this goes through, then democrats, i'm not sure how they can call themselves that. nancy pelosi has to wlim this vote for it to go through. they need 218 votes. if she does, there will be a lot

of questions. >> now congresswoman, it seems also that they did didn't push, they didn't bark, let's say, around immigration but they're barking around immigration reform. >> this is where the real money is. the lobbyists are swarming all over capitol hill. and joy is just right. a heads i win, tails you lose kind of situation. and the only ones at risk would be the taxpayers. so this is a big deal for those who want to curry favor with the wall street donors. and the american people stand at risk again. people who had money in their 401(k)s. workers were, so many jobs, millions of jobs lost and they want to go, wall street wants to go back to the same privileged situation. we say no and i'm going to be working to get as many democrats as possible to just say no.

>> joy, elizabeth warren electrified the day when she went to the senate floor and took this on. she has a very clear constituency now across the country. and this has a lot of implications in terms of 2016 and her following and it has implications for others politically because she is taking this on. >> absolutely. you have chuck schumer and other democrats inside of the caucus within the senate who are very close with wall street. so this is not something that has only republican finger prints on it. the problem for democrats is that this is not the new congress. this is the lame duck congress still controlled in the senate by democrats. so if this passes, their fingerprints are on something that reverses the one thing that came out. dodd frank. the one thing that came out of the tanking of the united states economy. the great recession. this huge defunding of the american economy that hurt almost every american. the idea that wall street has been lobbying from the very beginning to go back to the days

when they could have the heads we win, tails you lose economy. they could bet it all. bet on the credit default. if they lose we still bail them out. the american people really need to pay attention to this. >> you're right. and congresswoman, the thing that galls me. banks just had their best quarter since the crisis. posing their biggest quarterly revenue increase since 2009. yet that's not enough. more rule changes are needed? they're going to do this if democrats can't do this on this one. it will divide the party and people like me will be loud and long calling them out on this. >> exactly. as if it isn't enough, the kinds of profits they've been making. john boehner can solve this problem right now. he can take that provision out of the legislation. and democrats will vote to keep the government open, of course, we want to. but not to make the kinds of

tradeoff that's say the whole economy will be at risk again by the hands of the greed of wall street. i'm certainly not going to be complicit in that. >> he can just take it out of the bill. explain it. he can take it out and they can vote for the bill? what has to ham? >> they can absolutely change the legislation. it is not too late. we haven't seen it yet. it has not been on the floor and a vote hasn't been taken. these things can be done within hours to make it more palatable and not to offend all the american people. >> we're going to be watching this one. >> they're doing it at the same time that some of the other compromise that's democrats made to get this 1.1 trillion bill. people like truck drivers, middle class americans would be

seeing a decrease in their pension earnings at the same time that wall street would be getting this back. and we talked about this today. the possibility that you could see a continuing revolution, a shorter term spending bill to have time to work it out. it could come in conference if they pass a version without this in it. there are ways. >> one thing we should not allow is that they moon walk on the american people in dodd frank. be sure to catch joy on the reid report weekdays at 2:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. coming up, dick cheney's brand new defense of torture comments just moments ago about one of the most shameful chapters in our history. plus, you've heard about too big to fail? what about too small for jail? a bizarre ruling from the bernie madoff scandal is making

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breaking news. moments ago former vice president dick cheney spoke out in his first tv interview since the release of the senate report on torture. during the bushurera. >> i think it is a terrible piece of work. it seems deeply flawed. they didn't bother to interview key people involved in the program and i think that it is sort of a classy example. you see too often in washington where a group of politicians get together and sort of throw the professionals you understand the bus. we've seen it happen before. i can remember in iran-contra.

>> a terrible piece of work? you heard him right. vice president cheney just compared the use of torture to the iran-contra scandal in a positive light. it's a stunning example of just how twisted the logic is from the people who support torture in our name. joining me now, washington bureau chief of the "huffington post." thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> what's your response to those comments from vice president cheney? >> the iran-contra part is i guess telling because that was also a criminal conspiracy. you know. >> i couldn't believe he went there. >> it doesn't make any sense. what are you trying to say there? >> nobody ever has disputed that dick cheney very much supported torture then and supports torture now. he has always maintained that it

has been effective and that he is fully been briefed. and i think one of the reasons that the report didn't focus on cheney is, one, the white house withheld about 9,400 documents that would have allowed the senate investigators to look more into the role of administration officials. secondly, when it started in 2009, there was a fantasy that this was going to be a bipartisan effort. in order to get republican buy-in at the outset, they made some tacit agreements not to look into what the bush administration in the white house did but rather to look at the cia. the republicans still backed away from it. yet the democrats kind of kept their promise just to look at the cia. now, why would they need to say that dick cheney was kept in the dark? i think that has to do with the way that they said, look, torture wasn't effective. that's the argument they wanted

to make. >> it is an argument that doesn't stand up. and to show the twisted logic. i can't get beyond, i can't get past vice president cheney acting like iran-contra was just made to look bad. that's the kind of twisted logic we're dealing with here. >> he is thumbing his nose at the rule of law. he is reminding the public that this isn't the first time that a rogue administration has embarked on a broad criminal conspiracy. and gotten away with it. so it is kind of a signal that this is the kind of thing that will happen again. he is somebody who deeply believes in executive authority. so he believes that because ronald reagan wanted this to happen. he wanted to train and fund an

army to overthrow a government in nicaragua. even though it was illegal to do that, because the president controls foreign policy, therefore it was legal for the president to do. that he wants to remind people, look, they did this. and only a few people went to jail and most of them got pardoned. and the only reason people went to jail is you had these politicians who politicized the work of good professionals and he is trying to say that's the exact same thing. the president can torture if he wants to. >> let me go back to some other response of cheney when you talk about the president. he was asked if it was true that president bush wasn't fully briefed on the program. i want to play his response. >> did he know details? >> i think he knew certainly the techniques that we did discuss the techniques. there is nothing, no effort on our part to keep him from that. he was just with the surveillance program.

he had to personally sign off on that every 30 to 45 days. so the notion, the committee is trying to peddle that somehow the agency was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told. >> he talks about with respect to the program and then with respect to the in house interrogation program. it started in the summer of 2002. he was fully informed. >> so where is the ceps here? >> i think he is more or less telling the truth. the idea that there was something bush or cheney could have learn about this torture program and pulled the plug on it strains the imagination. this is something they very much encouraged. i think it is difficult for some people in washington to get their head around the idea that this was very much official

administration policy. and it is kind of easy to think about it as a rogue agency. these were some bad apples that went off in the heat of the post september 11 moments. did some things they were embarrassed about instead of the reality which is that the american administration authorized this as official policy. >> thank you for your time tonight. coming up, is six years enough jail time for someone linked to the bernie madoff ponzi scheme? plus, the royal couple glammed it up. here in new york and left behind a ridiculous royal dress controversy. but first, bachmann says farewell to congress.

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it's finally here. the moment we've dreaded, the moment we home would never come. >> it's a privilege for me now, mr. speaker, also, to be in this well, to deliver my last speech on this floor. >> minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann's farewell address to congress. we've had some great times these past eight years. there's so much we'll miss, starting with her always astute diagnosis of death care. >> this egregious system that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. >> it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. >> let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior

citizens. >> the health care failure that is now helping millions of people. and bachmann did so much with the light bulb conspiracy. >> i think darn well, you new new hampshireites, if you wanted to buy the wonderful invention, you should be able to. >> president bachmann will allow to you buy any light bulb you want. >> what would we do without president bachmann to light our way? she also brought a unique take on american history. >> the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. >> i think we can move on from that history lesson. she was ridge is lanlt about

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madoff pled guilty to bilking investors out of as much as $20 billion. he is now serving 150 years prison term. but this week, his office manager of almost 40 years, annette, was sentenced to just six years in prison for her role in the operation. by the time madoff was arrested, she managed the books for hundred of investment accounts, having an cumulative balance of about $8.5 billion when the firm went under. prosecutors say she invented fictitious trades that existed only on paper to support high annual rates of return. mr. madoff had promised investors. under federal guidelines, she could have faced life in prison. but the judge ruled she wasn't an architect of the scheme and

was just following madoff's instructions. ken, is six years enough of a punishment? >> actually, reverend, i think it is. i think it was eminently fair that this judge recognized this particular defendant may not have known what was going. on she was willfully blind. that's what the judge said. which indicates that she might not have known the illegal activity that's were going on all around her. she had been brought up in that firm since a teenager so it sounds to me like the judge was very fair. actually getting a sentence less than the defense attorney asks for. it shows the judge recognized that a punishment was needed but also that it needed to be fair base the on this factual situation. >> as ken points out, her own attorney was surprised with the sentence. he had argued that a term of eight to ten years would be sufficient punishment. and at the sentencing he said

the judge showed greater mercy than i believed was possible. >> and i disagree my colleague on this one. she went to trial and there was a significant amount of evidence from the government that she did know what was going on. and she knew what she was doing when she created false documents. you have tonlds this woman worked over 40 years for bernie madoff. he gave her lavish gifts. she had a company credit card with unlimited use. he paid for her, one of her children's weddings and a reception. there were a lot of thing going on to help this woman look the other way. she went to trial and she testified. the jury did not believe her. she perjured herself on the witness stand. her own attorney knew the writing was on the wall. she was convict for securities fraud, conspiracy and he asked for ten years. >> and she had to give back $14 million. she said she didn't have it but they said that she made. that she knew she was doing something extra for $14 million?

an office manager making that kind of money? >> well, actually, the judge basically gave that over the single defendant in the madoff affair. and mr. madoff was clearly a criminal, a career master mind. not everybody in the organization was bear and the judge made it clear this individual may not have been aware of this other criminal activity and she shouldn't be punished for the wrongdoings of other people even though i have great sympathy for other people. >> this struck me. the she is only 4'6" inches tall of 66 years old. in her sentencing, the associate press wrote the judge noticed her lack of height and age as she ignored federal sentencing guidelines. her height and her age? is that a reason to give her a lighter sentence? >> this judge went out of her way to show leniency to this

particular defendant shelf included a number of factors including that she didn't think she would essentially fare well. however there are a lot of people who lost their life savings, people who went brumt because of the number of people who tlookd other way when bernie madoff was doing ponzi scheme. >> let move from millions of dollars to lael fight over $4. ben edelman is an associate professor at harvard teaching negotiation. that is relevant. he ordered takeout from a local chinese restaurant and noticed he was overcharged by $4. he sent an e-mail saying, i ordered takeout from you this evening. below are my notes on what i ordered. then the price quoted on your website. it seems like an increase of $1 on each and every item. the manager apologized saying the website prices were out of date and offered a refunnel.

but edelman called it a serious violation and asked for a refunnel. three time the amount of the overcharge, citing massachusetts consumer protection statute. now he is threatening legal action to refund every customer who might have been overcharged. what does this look like? does he have a leg to stand on? >> i don't think he will sue but i have to tell you, i thoroughly enjoyed reading the e-mail conversation between him and this restaurant's manager. and he is a consultant, he consults people and companies on preventing and detecting online fraud. when he saw that he was overcharged $1 for each and every item, when he contacted the restaurant, then that they knew their online menu was out of date but they still had it up there. so people are at this thinking they're paying one thing. when they're charged they're paying something else. that is fraud. did he the right thing by contacting the restaurant. then he went overboard.

that i think goodwill was undermined by his bullying tactics and trying to shake them down and get damages. >> it is a little money but it is a big issue of defrauding, even though he may have gone overboard or maybe not. >> this is where i have to disagree with my colleague. i agree her that it was bullying. we have a lawyer making a big deal over $4 for a small businessman trying to make a living for his family. for the thousands or million of small businesses where you have maybe a mistake made on a went briefly over $4, you're going to be tlenl to be sued by a lawyer? this gives a bad name and a perception that lawyers sometimes can be unscrupulous or unfair or not reasonable. and i think that's disappointing. i'm disappointed that this man did this. this lawyer threatened to sue over $4. >> sometimes you get idea

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we're back with conversation nation. joining us tonight, host of entertainment weekly on sirius xm radio, julia cunningham. democratic strategist jimmy williams, and thank you all for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> i want to start with elizabeth warren leading the charge to block a bill that would gut dodd frank. jimmy, elizabeth warren is getting a lot of attention for this. what do you think about whether she runs or not? will she shape the democratic primaries or shape the messaging around 2016? >> she is not running. she said she is not running 15 billion times. how many times can she shout it

out through roof tops? so she is not running for president. moveon.org who is behind the drive to bring hillary clinton out. i just revealed the dirty little secret. the lefties think, progressives think that hillary clinton is beholden to wall street and big business which is not necessarily the case. that being said, elizabeth warren has always been a thorn in the side of wall street. what do you do? you threaten to run the person who is a thorn in the side of wall street. >> she is electrified -- she is the one who electrified them. the of the bill would gut dodd frank. >> i think the rank and file and certainly the grassroots movement on the left support elizabeth warren and i think rightfully so, want her to at least seriously consider running because it is important to have

somebody on hillary's left flank. to protect social security and know that the reform we fought so hard to get after the financial crisis remains intact. she is an important person politically to join bernie sanders on the left flank in the senate, to make -- >> she was an important figure. she has carved out a could not is it wednesdayy. >> i want hillary clinton's guns blazing. i think this is the only thing will push her that way. it has been so quiet. so steady. i want it to get more exciting. and i think we'll see something happen. >> what does elizabeth warren do to the party? >> the party has left. there aren't many moderates left. there are no democrats in the house, in the south left. it is not like the party can get more left. it is not like the republicans

can get more conservative. elizabeth warren raise the money she needs to race the money. b, make sure she keeps hillary clinton in check which is what this is all about and can she be the great person out there? the cheerleader if you will for lack of a better term. don't forget. she's only been in the senate two years. >> but does hillary take the issues off the table? and if elizabeth warren doesn't go now, when does she go? she might be new but you don't always get these shots. she won't get much hotter than this. >> i think that's a relevant point. it makes me think back to barack obama when he was in his first term and there was a lot of energy wanting him to run. >> it is a completely different situation in material of age. but i do think the grassroots

energy is there and sometimes you have to run. maybe it is not the right time or the perfect moment but maybe you have to do it. >> i would did it agree with you. i believe it. her age isn't really relevant. >> the political consultants would say, i think you can run and do great things. >> look at jerry brown in california. >> the guys that choreograph politics are going to say now or never. now or never. and does she resist? >> maybe more women should choreograph politics and then they'll shut up about this. >> right on. i agree. >> i'm not going to argue with you on this panel.

commissioner goodell says the new policy late. to be taken when there is an incident. more extensive list of prohibited conduct, independent investigative procedures, a baseline suspension six games without pay. potential violations. >> we would like to prevent these incidents from during and we are providing resources to do that. when they do occur, they have to be dealt with firmly, consistently, quickly. and we need to make sure that we're doing the right things for the victims and survivors. that's the key thing for us. >> good we need a zero tolerance policy or at least we need to begin conversations. if you want to play in the nfl,

not all the players make that much. if you want the privilege of playing in the nfl the requirement should be that you not beat your wife or girlfriend or your children. i think that's a standard we should all strive for. no, i'm not satisfied. in the end, even after all of those different independent level investigations, mr. goodell still has the last word. that's not going to change. >> it took a long time. is that enough? >> it is the point that we're in an area where it was -- it is ridiculous to me and how he has not even been removed. his final say still to this point even with these amendments coming in in appeals. it is disgusting. >> you've been around politics having to deal with crisis management cox the nfl have hand this better? >> there is no way you can say that they cannot have. the answer is, they could have done anything else to have hand this better. what i would have liked to have seen done here, this is learned

behavior. you learned to beat your wife or your children when you are a teenager or a child. you see it in the home or what have you. you see it in the locker room. when you see hazing, et cetera, et cetera, these are just big boys making a lot of money. that's what they're doing. when it comes to high school program, little league, et cetera, et cetera. you have to go with this at the very beginning. you have to teach kids. that would have gone a long way with a lot of parents. >> when we come back, an ordinary person doing the extraordinary gets the nobel peace prize. why is there controversy over kate middleton's dress? stay with us. this season, celebrate what's new, the bigger, better menu at red lobster! with more of what you love! try our newest wood-grilled combination! maine lobster, extra jumbo shrimp, and salmon!

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now to a nobel peace prize. at 17 years old, pakistan's malala yousefsi is the youngest person to ever be awarded the nobel peace prize. two years ago she was shot in the head for simply going to school and advocating children's rights for education. how special is she? >> she is extremely special. once in a lifetime.

a symbol of resilience and feminine fierceness. we need so much of that when young women are being brutalize asked raped and beaten. this is really a bright light. >> i'm so glad we're talking about. this she is not only an inspiration but i hope teen girls will host a picture of her in their room. it shows it doesn't matter how old you are. >> doesn't she redefine here overism? >> not just for that but for the middle east. considering that for ten something years, we have been in this place. it has been an ultimate disaster. what is the shining star that come out of that? this young woman. she's gorgeous. she's wonderful. >> great inspiration. finally, a royal dress controversy. last night the royal couple

attended a formal gala at the metropolitan museum of art. she looked great but new york is the fashion capital of the world and the fashion police came out. because we've seen it twice before. this was the third time that kate wore the same dress. i wear the same socks three time. do you have a problem with this one? >> no. we are brats. i wear this jacket. i wear this jacket every day. like we're brats. she looks perfect. it is why we love her and it is ridiculous. >> i thought when i read this that she wore it three times this trip. they're talking about period. over time. >> i would say something about my underwear but i won't. who cares? she's gorgeous. she is classy, she's fantastic, she is the modern day look of the monarchy. get off her back. if she were a man they wouldn't say this. >> i was getting ready to go there. >> there's a lot of gentler in this but we need to remember that they're people.

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we close tonight with times person of the year. the ebola fighters. these men and women, doctors, nurses, aid workers are risking their lives to save the lives of others. fighting on the front lines to stop an epidemic them don't let panic and fear get in the way. they know they're needed because it is literally a life or death effort. so far ebola has killed almost 6,400 people and infect 18,000 of these cases, more than 600 health care workers are known to have been infected. 346 of them have died. that's the risk they take

willingly and that's why they deserve our respect and our gratitude. i say to them that we feel you deserve, not only person of the year but all of the gratitude from all of us. as they say in my home town, brooklyn, much respect. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. where are you on torture? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. only the reminds me of a rule in politics. if you have to change the name to something else like they start referring to something as revenue enhancement, they're trying to hide the truth. what they're really talking about but don't want to say is raising tas.