disaster. >> dr. reese halter, meteorologist paul douglas, great to have you with us tonight on this topic. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" r with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening and thanks for tuning in. tonight's lead, is america ready for another bush? it's looking more and more likely. former florida governor jeb bush will run for government, it looks. today he released a statement saying, quote, i have decided to actively explore the possibility of running for president of the united states. jeb's been dropping hints for months. and just yesterday said this at a commencement speech. >> we're seeing more and more that people often model their lives on their parents. if their parents went to college, so do they. if their parents married late, so do they. i can tell you from personal experience, if your parents

worked in politics, well, you know the rest. >> he said you don't have to follow your parents' foot steps, but it's pretty likely. a new poll shows mitt romney would actually lead the gop field. but if romney doesn't sit this one out, this poll's got jeb as number one. but we've still got a long way to go until 2016. bush has been all over the map on immigration and right-wingers are skeptical. here's what the head of the gop said today. >> they're going to pull out all the stops to make sure that a tea party-type conservative doesn't get the nomination. so i think that a lot of this talk about the jeb candidacy is an attempt to see if they can actual, once and for all, in a

primary setting, relegate the tea party and members of it who are elected, such as ted cruz and mike lee, impotent. >> but forget about rush getting on board, jeb still has to convince his mom. >> i think it's a great country. there are a lot of great families, and it's not just four families or whatever. there are other people out there, that are very qualified. and we've had enough bushes. >> and while the gop field is shaping up, more and more democrats say they'd support a clinton candidacy in 2016. the latest, senator al franken. >> i think that hillary would make a great president. i haven't announced that i'm supporting her, but does this count? i guess. maybe this counts. i'm ready for hillary. >> a lot of democrats are

getting behind hillary clinton, but it seems like we're headed for a big family feud in the gop. joining me now is ms next political correspondent kasie hunt, who just got back from covering jeb bush in south carolina. and national journal's michelle cottle. thank you both for being here. kasie, could jeb bush win with today's gop? >> i think we'll have to wait and see to find out. but there's certainly an argument for him to make and there's definitely space for him in the establishment. i think this is a pretty early move on his part. i think it surprised some people for its timing. what it does is send a message to the establishment donor base in the republican party and to operatives in others, that, hey, he's in there, and that sets him up in direct competition especially with others that might claim the establishment mantel, chris christie for example. and those candidates are actually the ones who have

historically won the republican nomination. you saw that with bob dole or john mccain, or mitt romney. it's often the establishment choice that makes it through. i think the question is going to be, how much has the landscape changed? especially in some early states. i was just in south carolina, talked to sources on the ground who were paying attention to jeb bush's speech. they're saying, it's possible this state isn't the same state that cent george bush over the hurdle against john mccain . that could be a problem for bush in the long run. >> michelle, what do you think about that and what is the impact of people like rush limbaugh coming out strongly against jeb? >> well, look, this last election was the establishment reasserting itself to say, hey, we're not going to stand back and become a party of fringe candidates. so jeb will have some trouble in the primary because not such on

immigration, but also on common core. this is something that makes the base down right crazy. they will go berserk about this sort of thing. so it will be interesting to see how he asserts himself and handles these particular issues. while at the same time, not alienating or turning away from his stands on these. he can't just flip flop. >> but jep bush talked earlier this month about how republicans should approach 2016. i want to play that, kasie. >> i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else, and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to, you know, to be practical now in washington world, lose the primary to win the general, without violating your principles. >> now, lose the primary, win the general. but ted cruz was asked about jeb bush today and while he complimented the last few gop

candidates, he also said, quote, if we nominate another candidate in the mold of a bob dole or a john mccain or a mitt romney, the same voters who stayed home in 2008 and 2012 will stay home in 2016. and hillary clinton is the next president. how ugly is the gop primary fight going to get, kasey? >> i think it could potentially get very ugly. i think that moving early for bush is maybe an attempt to avert some of that. but i think you're already hearing cruz goes angrily from the right and i think that bush, in this race, sets up a very interesting kind of push-pull. he also told one of our affiliates in miami earlier today, that candidates get a chance to persuade on those issues like immigration. he was talking specifically about immigration. and he seems to show this willingness to say, you know what, i'm going to stand up to this process. and i think one of the things

i've been hearing behind the scenes from a lot of republican operatives who are associated with other potential candidates, they view that as a little bit naive. they sort of say, there's no way that he could actually execute that. it sounds as though he's at least going to try. >> now, you know, bloomberg reports, michelle, that because of his business dealings jeb bush might have a mitt romney problem. it said, quote, as a budding private equity mogul, he's began to resemble a mini mitt. but the right is already attacking hillary clinton for her wealth. >> the controversy over mrs. clinton's speaking fees is erupting and has been ever since it was reported she's due $225,000 when she speaks this fall at a benefit for the university of nevada, las vegas. >> hillary clinton has a list of demands that critics say would make a rock star diva proud. >> hillary clinton is having trouble with this.

it's just made it difficult for her to connect with folks and to have that sort of woman of the people image that she's trying to portray. >> will anybody be calling jeb bush a diva? >> i actually think it's a case where it's going to be an election where neither really is going to be a man or woman of the people. mitt romney had a big problem because we're talking about a lel of wealth that's eye-popping. i don't think jeb bush will be building car elevators, but it will become an issue already. people have written stories, why is he starting these firms? is he running for president? wealth is always an issue, especially in times where populist energy is driving a lot of the political action. so i think both candidates will have to figure out a way to prove they are still in touch. >> on the democratic side, we're

hearing a lot about elizabeth warren and a possible candidacy, people pushing her to run. but here's what she said yesterday. >> i told them i'm not running for president. >> you're putting that in the present tense. are you never going to run? >> i am not running for president. >> you're not putting a never on that. >> i am not running for president. do you want me to put an exclamation point at the end? >> now, she had already denied a run twice before in that interview. and a new poll out today found hillary clinton would lead warren in a primary 62% to 9. but can warren still influence the democratic field even if she doesn't run? >> absolutely. i think there's going to be an intense demand for somebody, whether it's elizabeth warren, whether it's another figure in the party, to take on that populist mantel and to sort of channel the energy that's on the left side of the liberal base. we've spent a lot of time over

the last year talking about the republican base and their influence on the republican party. i think the conversation is shifting. and right now elizabeth warren is the leader of that. she's said repeatedly as you heard there, i am not running for president. and she sounds like she wants people to believe her, but at the same time, there's benefit for her not saying, i never will. because it increases her power and makes her more able to lead that charge regardless of whether or not she actually gets into the race. >> let me go back to michelle. you brought up populist. if elizabeth warren doesn't run, is there a figure that can come and emerge and lead that populist movement? do they have enough time to emerge? there's not a lot of natural alternatives. >> the democratic party doesn't have a huge farm team they've been considering. if hillary doesn't run, they have a big hole. but elizabeth warren is not only good with the message, she's got

a lot of energy behind her. i think you have to have that to get attention to the trail. >> kasie hunt, michelle cottle, thank you both for your time tonight. coming up, breaking news from that horrific terror attack on a school by the taliban. and a big move from the family of that man gunned down by police at walmart while holding a pellet gun. and the sony hack, movie stars now cancelling appearances. should these threats be taken seriously? stay with us.

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our social media community had a lot to say today about jeb bush weighing a presidential run. angela wrote on our facebook page, i guess he's going to follow in his family's foot steps. demarco also posted, jeb versus hillary. i can see it now. and michael said on facebook, bush versus clinton.

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principal. at least 124 others were wounded. the seven gunmen who all wore explosive vests were also killed after the eight-hour siege. the associated press reports the gunmen entered the school at 10:00 a.m. local time and began shooting at random. more than 960 staff and students managed to flee. evacuated from the compound amid the panic. a spokesman from the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for pakistan's attack on taliban militants in that country. president obama condemned the attack, saying terrorists have once again shown their depravity. joining me now is michael kay, retired senior british office and military strategist, now a foreign affairs correspondent. thank you for being here. >> good to see you, rev.

>> this is a terrible tragedy. why would the taliban target a school with children? >> it's appalling. what we've seen over the last 18 months, we've seen the media spotlight being on what isis has been up to. while that's go on, the pakistan taliban have been waging a war on terror since 2007. they were believed to be responsible for the murder of the prime minister in 2012. they were the ones who went after malala yousafzai. and they shot her. in 2013, these guys committed a suicide bombing on a church. and also attacks on karachi airport. so they're no strangers to this type of campaign that we've been associating with the likes of isis over the last 12 months. the "new york times" claims that today's attack is

retribution for a recent pakistani military offense against the taliban in their country. "the times" reports, the military says that the offensive has resulted in the death of 1,800 militants and cleared much of the region's most notorious hub of militant activity. michael, given today's attack, is the military offensive having any impact? >> that's a great question. it's a really complicated situation. you mentioned the region. the region is waziristan, on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. during my analysis of the afghan war, one of the serious problems of lack of progress in afghanistan has been the inability to target the pakistan taliban that have been operating just over the border. they're the people that have been training suicide bombers and launching them into kabul to create havoc. the relationships between the u.s. and pakistan government have been very strained. they're also a number of different other groups that operate in this region from the

haqqani network, through to al qaeda. the haqqani network were believed to be responsible for the kidnapping of bowe bergdahl. while he was inkarserated -- the u.s. has been involved in a resourceful war against the pakistan taliban for a long time. they cut back on cia drone operations for the safety of bowe bergdahl. he was released mid year and the drone operations have commenced again. the pakistan government have also taken initiative to go into the reason. but there's sensitivities between the government and the military. so it's a complicated web of geeio political and security type issues that we have to get to the bottom of. >> how does this -- i'm confused how they think this helps their cause. i mean, from just public opinion anywhere, killing children, how

does this help their cause? >> the cause question is a good question. it's similar to isis in that it's all about territory. the taliban is all about trying to regain the territory in afghanistan and try and push out the westerner. that's what effectively they're trying to do. whether killing 132 children is going to do this is a question twh which is up for debate. and it will certainly turn many of the country against them moving forward into the future. it's hard to tell the unintended consequence of that on the day that it happened. but as the weeks and months go by, the resolve of the pakistan military will increase. and it's human intelligence. it's about having people on the ground that can feed back daily pattern of life movements that will allow the security services to strike when appropriate. i think that human intelligence will be more forth coming now

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developing news in a case out of ohio that's become part of the national dialogue over policing in america. today the family of john crawford iii filed a federal civil suit over the shooting of their son. crawford was shot and killed in august after officers saw him carrying a pellet gun at a walmart.

today crawford's family and their attorneys said, it's not about money. it's about justice. >> we're also seeking changes in policies, in procedures at the beaver creek police department. period. this should not happen to any other family in this city, in this county, in this great state, and in this nation. >> i'm still pursuing justice because to me, that is justice. you have to be held accountable. you don't get a pass because you have a side arm and a shield. in fact, you set a higher standard. >> this suit comes after a grand jury decided not to indict the officers and that's the problem. families should be able to trust the criminal justice system to address these issues and officers should get the training they need so these tragedies don't occur in the first place. former president bill clinton is now weighing in on the eric garner chokehold case in new

york, saying change is needed. >> he was selling untaxed cigarettes on the street in small volumes, trying to make a little extra money. but he didn't deserve to die because of that. so when something like that happens, or when ferguson happens, even if the grand jury was right that the young man was super aggressive and all that, he still was chased down unarmed and shot. it may not be a crime, but it shows you the divide that exists between the community and the police. >> there is a divide in america and we all need to work together to bridge that divide. joining me now is former u.s. attorney kendall coffey and trial attorney and legal analyst midwin charles. thank you for being here. >> thanks, reverend. and i want to mention the

crawford family suit also targets walmart. and the company released this statement. our condolences go to the family who lost loved ones. out of respect for everyone involved, we believe it's not appropriate to discuss the specifics of this matter, but we can say that our associated acted properly. we take the safety and security of our stores very seriously, so that walmart remains a safe shopping experience for our customers. now, kendall, can a civil lawsuit like this help bring about policy changes in a police department? >> it can. nothing speaks louder usually an an arrest and handcuffs. but there's plenty of voice in a successful civil suit. the more dollars, the more decimals. especially if you get a million dollar verdict targeting particular practices that need to be changed, then the city isn't going to ignore that, and there can be changes made through civil litigation. >> now, midwin, the family is doing this because they're dissatisfied with the grand

jury, right? >> yes, absolutely. this is another avenue that you often see, rev, families take when they get the sort of decision that we get in the eric garner case, the mike brown case, whenever the family doesn't get justice from the criminal justice system, what they then go ahead and do is sue civilly. because as your guest just said, there are many things that come out of a civil suit. but one of the reasons why i think it makes it such an american issue, it's not just a black issue, it's not just a white issue, it's an american issue. because police departments are paying out millions and millions of dollars with regard to the result of what police officers do. so we're all affected. people do not necessarily want their -- >> but it shouldn't go this far, midwin. >> that's right, it shouldn't. >> people should be able to have confidence in the grand juries and police in the process. this is what we're saying with all of these vigils and marches and other means of expressing our concerns and outrage is, it

shouldn't have to go this far. >> you're right. and the grand jury process should be the same for every single american. there's nothing that says that criminal procedure is different if the perpetrator or the alleged perpetrator is a police officer. everyone should be treated exactly the same under the law. and what we're seeing with the grand jury proceedings and the way the prosecutors are sort of putting forth their cases, that has not necessarily been the case. that's one of the biggest problems with these police cases. >> kendall, this week a video surfaced showing the police grilling crawford's girlfriend right after he was shot dead. watch this. >> why would he have a gun in the store? >> i don't know. >> is he known to carry a gun? >> i've never known him -- >> don't tell me you don't know. because that's the first thing that i realize somebody's not telling me the truth. the truth s you knew at some point he did carry a gun. >> no, sir. no, sir, i didn't know. i swear i didn't know.

>> tash a i'm having trouble with this. >> please, give me a lie detector test. >> that might come in the future. >> i mean, is it common for victim's relatives to be grilled like this and treated like this? does she have a legal recourse, kendall? >> she probably doesn't have an easy lawsuit because police questioning strategies can be aggressive. they can be bullying. they can even be deceitful and they're usually not unconstitutional. but i think it's very important here to point out a couple of things. first of all, we have a video of this. so i think, given the aggressiveness of this officer's questioning and the almost cruel circumstances, i think there could be consequences. and if nothing else, if this videotape can become part of a lawsuit of the family of john crawford, showing how frantic this police department was to find some rationale for the killing of a man with a pellet

gun, then this videotape could be part of a very powerful verdict someday. >> so this could actually be part of the lawsuit, this video? >> i think there's a clear connection that could be made. no guarantees, but if it comes in in front of a jury, it's going to be important. >> midwin, under attorney general eric holder, the justice department has opened over two dozen investigations into police tactics. in new orleans, it found officers too often used excessive force and conduct illegal stops, searches and arrests. in newark, it found a pattern or practice of constitutional violations in stop and arrest practices. in cleveland, it found excessive force in violation of the fourth amendment. there are many more examples like this. are local prosecutors across the country taking this seriously enough? >> i should hope that they are. but i think the aftermath of the ferguson case, as well as eric garner, teaches us a lesson. and this might be a water shed

moment in these kinds of cases, rev, where special prosecutors need to be appointed to deal with these cases, in part, because prosecutors and the police are in bed with one another. in terms of how they do their day-to-day jobs. prosecutors rely heavily on police officers in order to make their case. so it's very difficult for you to sort of prosecute your own. and that's one of the reasons why i think prosecutors need to step aside and appoint a special prosecutor to deal with these specific cases. >> kendall, you were a federal prosecutor. how significant is the federal investigations of these local police and local police departments? how impactful is this? >> well, it plays a huge role, for exactly the reasons we were just talking about. very hard to get local prosecutors to prosecute their local police teammates. the feds come in from a different perspective, and they have traditionally had a very, very important role in these cases.

and keep an eye out on some of the cases we've been talking about. i don't think we've heard the last from the federal prosecutors with respect to some of these cases. >> and midwin, that's what a lot of people are raising, saying guilt or innocence, they want a fair process and they don't feel, i've expressed that, that the local prosecutors don't have a conflict of interest in a lot of these investigations. >> i mean, that's right. and no one can deny the fact that these prosecutors approach these sorts of cases with a different perspective. one of the things that i found the most shocking about the eric garner decision when the grand jury came down was the distance between the prosecutor and the victim's family. usually prosecutors are aligned with the victim. because their job is justice, someone died here. so they're trying to get to the bottom of it. but it was so different this time around, as well as in the ferguson case. >> right, with michael brown. >> absolutely. and so that's one of the reasons why i think that this is sort of

a watershed moment with these kinds of cases and i'm glad the federal government is taking the time to look into these different police departments to see exactly what's going on. because african americans and people of color have been complaining about this disparate treatment for a very long time. this isn't new, rev. so it's a good thing that the federal government, i think, is stepping in and looking into all of this. >> kendall coffey and midwin charles, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thank you. coming up, is america ready for another bush? will his last name be a plus or a minus? or both? also, new threats from the hollywood hackers. why movie stars are cancelling their public appearances. and gas prices are falling. so why aren't airplane ticket prices falling too? it's ahead in "conversation nation."

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time now for "conversation nation." joining me tonight editor in chief of roll call, christine bell an tony. democratic strategist jimmy williams and huffpost live host caroline modarressy-tehrani. i want to talk about the big political talker today, our lead story, jeb bush, announcing he's actively exploring the possibility of running for president in 2016.

christina, are we off and running? >> of course. we've been off and running for quite a while here. but the thing is, it's so, so early. and gives us a lot to talk about until the next person says they're actively exploring and that person is not going to be a big shocker either. what's important to keep in mind is that the voters get a chance to have their say here in all of the early primary states across the country. so we are a long way away from having any idea who's going to be the next president. >> jimmy? >> i'm not surprised by this. i've said on your show they think that jeb bush is, at this point in time, the most formidable of the republicans that are all actively talking or alluding to, whatever, running for president. >> is he more formidable than mitt romney? >> i think he is more formidable than mitt romney. i think there was romney fatigue last time. barack obama beat him by five million votes. the problem with bush, he has some of the same romney

problems, off-shore money stuff. but on my birthday, there was a piece written about all the reasons why jeb bush is not going to be the president. some very compelling information. mother jones put out a piece on it today. but i think that bush has the fund-raising ability and the ability to win a general election. a primary, that's a different matter, though. >> caroline -- and we'll ignore jimmy plugging his birthday. [ laughter ] >> i think it's what christina has said. it's very much up and running, despite the fact that he announced it in a very couched way, that he maybe was sort of investigating a run. but i think that a lot of americans are going to be sad to hear that he is, because again, it's what we talked about before. it's another dynasty. to be honest, the idea of another bush president makes me feel a little bit queasy. i don't know about the rest of the panel, but i can't imagine

too many people being thrilled at idea of, you know, dynasty versus dynasty in 2016. >> but that really has never -- >> christina's already coming after them. ted cruz, rush limbaugh. they're already coming hard. >> well, of course, we've put everybody into these silos. he's operating in the former governor, moderate to center, you know, embracing diversity in the party silo. and maybe he's not going to be the guy that appeals to young people, he's the guy that appeals to hispanics. everything i've heard about him, he's good with voters, the money is going to matter a lot. but i disagree with the dynasty thing. i think americans in general aren't bothered by this. we've seen many successful political dynasties. they like to see families that understand politics. in the press, we might be bored

or irritated that we're still covering the same names, but i think the voters are okay with it. >> jimmy, that brings us to the democratic side, clinton and warren. if bush can run again with his name, does hillary face the same challenge on the democratic side? and are people not bothered by another clinton and someone that could be creating a, quote, dynasty by marriage? >> the most popular politician in the united states of america right now happens to be the spouse of said hillary clinton. secondly, she ran for her senate seat, won it. so the bottom line is, she's eminently qualified to be president of the united states. the elizabeth warren thing is tricky. she said i promise you i'm not running for president. i'm going to finish out my term. and all that sort of stuff, which is a great indicator that she's not running for president. every senator that you talk to on the democratic side will tell

you elizabeth warren is not running for president. i don't care what move on.org says. there's something happening with that, though. what can elizabeth warren do for a hillary clinton? she can bunker down in the senate and push policies in a minority. and what does hillary have to do? respond to those as a presidential candidate. so i don't think that's at bad dichotomy between clinton and warren. that's something i welcome as a reporter. >> let's move on to another subject. it's the holiday season. i want to get this in. it's a busy travel time. if you're driving, you're in luck. in the last year, gas prices dropped 70 cents a gallon. but if you're flying, not so much. the latest numbers we have from september of last year, to september of this year, prices for plane tickets jumped 3.5%. senator chuck schumer wants to know why.

>> so there's a looming question that must be answered. with oil prices going way down, why aren't consumers getting the benefit and seeing ticket prices go down, when instead they're still going up? >> christina, you fly a lot. what do you think? you want more money for peanuts? >> i do fly a lot. i'm glad that you know that. sure, i'd love to see prices go down. but chuck schumer is getting in on a popular topic, as he tends to do. and it's very easy to say these prices should be lower. that's a popular thing, especially right after thanksgiving when everyone has taken flights and right before christmas when a lot of people are going to be getting on airplanes or are considering buying vacation tickets or hopping on planes to go somewhere to see their families. so, yeah, of course you're going to say that. but there's not a lot of movement for this to be the thing that, let's say, congress tackles. >> jimmy? >> chuck schumer doing a sunday

press conference should shock nobody. but bottom line, it's a popular message. i've seen it a billion times from senator schumer. but at the end of the day, i guess the question is, when was the last time that the airlines actually did reduce fares? i mean, when they get more competition from one of the smaller, you know, airlines that comes in, a jetblue, southwest, ea et cetera et cetera. but there's been so much consolidation amongst the big ones. so what's the incentive? >> i think that's an excellent point. in 2005, there was 11 main airlines in play. now as it's been said, there are about three. and that's obviously hurting us as consumers. and you know, look, as you can tell, i'm british, so a large portion of my family are in the uk. would i like lower fares? ek h heck, yes, i would. do i see them on the horizon?

do you sigh schumer's call to action is going to do anything in the near future? sad to say, i don't. >> everyone stay right there. please stay with us. ahead, hackers threaten movie goers, invoking 9/11. now the stars of the movie just canceled all press appearances. should the movie be pulled? that's next.

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now to a serious story developing tonight. the sony hackers issuing a 9/11 type of threat. the group behind the attack, calling itself guardians of peace, invoked 9/11. saying people should stay away from theaters running the movie the interview. the hackers saying, quote, the world will be full of fear. a department of homeland security official tells nbc news, quote, at this time there is no credible intelligence to indicate an active plot against movie theaters within the united states. but the stars, james franco and seth rogen, are cancelling media appearances. the movie centers on the characters trying to assassinate north korea's ruler kim jong-un. caroline, should sony think about pulling this movie from theaters? >> you know, rev, i don't think they should. absolutely not.

we shouldn't be cow-towing to anybody purporting to be a terrorist. i hadn't planned on seeing the movie, but on friday, i think i will be, partly because the department of homeland security have said there's no credible threat right now. i think we should all go and watch this movie whether we want to or not just to show that we are not afraid and we will not cower with this sort of threat. >> jimmy? >> i think that caroline just fell for the big trick. i'm joking. this is a bunch a do about nothing. i don't find this to be a incredible threat. we've not been issued anything from the department of homeland security or the department of state. this is free speech. it's a comedy about two reporters trying to get rid of kim jong un. so i find the timing of it to be

ever so slightly not surprising considering they're about to launch this movie. >> and there's no evidence that this is in any way connected to north korea and kim jong-un or as keenan thompson would say, kim jong u.n. [ laughter ] >> should we stop the movie, christina? >> that's not for me to decide. i will say that, one, they don't have a huge advantage in going out there and talking to the media, because they're going to get asked this question. they're comedians. they're going to have a foreign policy strategy answer to the question. and this is getting the movie plenty of publicity as it is. >> christine a jimmy, and caroline, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. when we come back, the affordable care act is working and finding unlikely allies. . the wind-blown watery eyes. and of course,

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finally tonight, big new numbers for the affordable care act. the obama administration says nearly 2.5 million people have selected plans since enrollment began in november. last year, it took three months to reach that number. this year, they did it in half that time. in a radio interview yesterday, the president said, despite last year's slow rollout, the law is picking up steam and is here to stay. >> the last time we spoke about this was a while back and i think people were still uncertain about whether or not the affordable care act was right for them. since that time, we've had 10.3 million uninsured adults sign up for coverage, every survey shows that the vast majority of satisfied. >> and more and more republicans agree, the gop governor of tennessee now wants to expand medicaid under obamacare. the governor insists he opposes

the law, but admits that it will help 200,000 people in his state get coverage. we've seen one gop governor after another reverse course on this. and do the right thing. so in year two of obamacare, the law is working, better than ever before. and more people are signing up. so if you had a new year's eve party this year and stuck next to someone who watches too much fox news, you can give them the good news about obamacare. and there is a lesson that one can learn. if you're doing what will be helpful to people, ignore the noise, ignore the critics and serve a good cause and serve the people. in the end, good will outrun bad every time. no matter how noisy it is, good will always outrun bad.

now young people and people with preexisting conditions and others can now get coverage. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. bush 3. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >> good evening, i'm chris mathis in washington. suddenly the 2016 presidential election campaign is under way. jeb bush is in the race for president. while the other hopefuls are milling around and talking up their chances and selling themselves, the former florida governor has entered the starting gate. his ears perked for the starting gun. this is a game-changer today. and declaring that he will actively explore a presidential run he's made himself the third bush to putse