let's gate check on the day ahead before we toss it to "morning joe." president obama will talk to reporters this afternoon this ae holds his end of year news conference. after answering questions he and the first family will head to hawaii for the holidays. the cdc is set to give the latest numbers on the flu. 14 states have reported widespread flu activity. that number has risen. that will do it for "way too early." have a good weekend. what day is it? friday before christmas. not a payday friday so we're going into debt for christmas. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ the truth is all those incredible things people said i did, running for president, saving the olympics, colbert super p.a.c.

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former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner and in washington the host and managing editor of tv one "news one now," roland martin. >> colbert. i don't want it to stop. >> it's bittersweet because he was so good for nine years but i can't wait to see what he does on cbs as himself. he's a brilliant guy. he's a genius comedian. being a great to see him. >> i love it. bill clinton. >> is he going to be colbert or colbert. >> he was colbert before this character. >> his family is originally colbert. i don't know. i think he'll stay with colbert. >> this is fun. i agree, though. i want i want to stay. i hope the transition is fantastic but it seems like when you have a good thing --

>> i'm going to miss him doing the "colbert report." >> he's going out at the top from this gig. >> he's trying something so new and a challenge. >> genius and a great guy which is nice. >> absolutely. >> we wish him the best. hope he's nice to us. scared. i don't know. all right. let's get to the news. federal officials may give word as early as today as who the source of the sony cyber attack is. the white house is calling the suspected attack a serious national security matter. u.s. officials say the attack may have begun months ago and routed through a series of servers to disguise the origin. but while a senior u.s. official told nbc news this week that the u.s. concluded north korea was responsible, administration officials did not say so in public on thursday. the obama administration is considering how to respond but it says the attackers may be

sophisticated and itching for reaction. well they are getting it. white house press secretary josh earnest also confirmed sony previously sought feedback from administration officials about "the interview." >> administration officials are requested prior to its release at the request of official from the company producing the movie. >> i'm not suggesting you dictated you had an involvement in this months ago. did this administration under estimate the impact this would have. >> no because we would not be in a position of dick tight an outcome or changes to a film. we did so at the request of the company. so, again, you have this private company that had come to the administration officials seeking their input, and that was presumably that input was shared. >> talking to people who know a lot more about this than we do

and experts on hacking, i've heard for over the past six months this is the next frontier, this is the next big one coming. what do you think the chances are this is only the beginning, kind of a complete reversal of safety online? >> i think, clearly companies like sony will have to uptick their web security as much as banks and the grid do. clearly this was, in that world not that difficult a task to get in there and they had inside help, i'm told in the company. but it's a big leap from the kind of security they had around their system -- >> aside from sony. >> i think every company -- >> sure every company is going to have to look at their security in like of this. what's scary to me is this is north korea. this isn't china. although china may have helped. we don't know. this isn't russia. this is a country that's living halfway back to the stone age and able to wreak this havoc and

get in this system. i'm not one that's paranoid about my security. >> north korea back to the stone age at the end of the day this is espionage, cyber espionage. we're such a technology driven society and all of a sudden it will force people to realize that you don't fear somebody moving battle ships into the seas, you don't fear submarines you fear somebody, the leaders of a country who can bring down institutions in this country. yes, this is a national issue across the board. >> imagine you're a hacker planning or thinking about doing something larger and you saw the disruption this caused what about issues of national security. it's a little scary. >> power grids, water supply.

variety is reporting sony could lose up to $75 million after shelving this movie "the interview" including $30 million in marketing cause. paramount has now banned theaters from showing "team america world police" instead of the "the interview." george clooney is speaking out about his failed attempt to get hollywood's biggest names to sign a letter of support for sony. clooney said we have a new paradigm, a new reality and we have to come to terms with it all the way down the line. this was a dumb comedy that was about to come out with the first amendment. you're never protecting jefferson, it's usually protecting some guy who's got a dumb idea.

>> we were just saying that in the lounge. >> but the problem is nobody likes the idea of banning this movie. nobody likes the idea of giving in to the equivalent of terrorists. i was talking to a couple of senior hollywood people. if you were a senior hollywood executive, if you run a movie theater, you run a cable channel, do you want to take a risk in retaliation for you putting this on one of your people gets killed or kidnapped, there's violence they don't want to take the risk. you can't blame them. >> no, you can't. everyone is upset about freedom of expression. we're all upset about that. but i was talking to someone yesterday, a lawyer, big time lawyer who said it begins at the shopping mall level. the shopping mall where the theater is located. so basically lawyers come in and say well do we have 100% assurance from the fbi that nothing will happen. no we can't give you that.

i wouldn't take the risk. >> i don't know. i think what george clooney said is right. i liked the idea of this. a lot of conservatives didn't like the idea of the assassination of george w. bush winning awards either. i really am stunned that everyone has capitulated. and "team america." a movie that came out years ago that is a funny movie. there are puppets in the movie. you have puppets having sex in the movie -- >> okay, stop. >> no, no. >> it's a love scene. >> it's done tastefully. but i got to say if we have got to the point now where you are

banning puppet movies because you fear north korea -- let me just say you suck. i'm glad you don't guard the pentagon. i'm glad you weren't there in 1944 scaling the walls of normandy. you suck. if you're scared of puppet sex that somehow -- no, no, come on. >> if you were running the multiplex on 42nd street you would put "the interview" on and say come on. >> i would put "the interview" on. >> what if they didn't let you. >> i would put "the interview" on. you know what? there would be a lot of police protection and there would be lines wrapped around the block. 20 american flags in front of there. and say come on. come at me. >> you know what the problem is with this.

>> what say you? >> joe you and i agree. the problem i have they make the threat. the question so the fbi, to homeland security, is it a credible threat. are we essentially saying north korea has sleeper cells in america just because they made the threat? that's where the problem is here. i'm really shocked that they went to this level to say by simple threat oh, my goodness we have north koreans all over america waiting to pounce. >> roland you don't know what the threats are or how serious are. are you kidding me? >> you have a department of homeland security and fbi and cia for a reason. do they have any intel that suggests that the threat can actually be backed up by reality. >> mika, i'm sorry, this is -- george clooney says this is our new reality. i understand what he's saying and i think it's like a poke.

this can't be our new reality. we can't let tyrannical governments halfway across the world dictate what movies we're going to show on the upper west side. >> that's nice of george clooney while he's vacationing in sicily somewhere. >> don't knock george clooney. that's a cheap shot. you're in the south france every weekend. you know what -- listen there is nothing, willie, that's more sad than watching somebody who vacations in the south of france attack somebody that vacations in italy. >> i don't think we should, alex, thank you very much. >> i agree with you. >> no. >> i agree with you. the government has to come up with a credible plan for security for the places that are going to show this. >> credible intelligence. >> why do they? >> why do they? >> why do they?

what happens next? what happens if chad -- does chad still exist? what if chad decides they will blow up the village voice. do we shut down the village voice? what if lithuania -- this is preposterous and everybody has caved into it. everybody has caved. are you kidding me? >> how do you know what the threats are? how do you know? at this point it's a pretty big threat. >> mika, i got your answer. the department of homeland security has a threat level. it's color coded or number or whatever the hell it is. here's the deal. if there was credible threat with intelligence what do we say level three, four, five. have we done that? no. this is solely based on a simple threat. that's the fundamental problem. we went through the whole idea,

saddam might bomb us, he has problems, he didn't have any. but a basic threat, is there actual intelligence. >> roland, when your company is hacked and everything is unravelled inside your company, personal emails flying every where, personal financial flying every where and the bottom is brought out everything that your company stands for and threats attached to that you let me know how you feel about it. okay. you might want to be careful. >> i want the fbi and department of homeland security to tell me we have no actual intelligence based on research and billions we spend on our spy satellites that say they can back up the threat. >> at a practical level, sony probably wanted to show the film but the exhibitors, amc, regal they said no we're not showing the film in our theaters because they have their lawyers and their insurance said you can't take the risk. >> the movie theater in roar,

colorado where that horrible killing took place was sued many times over by the victims of those families. that's a question of liability. >> it's also a human question. you don't want to be the theater operator who puts this movie on and have somebody killed. >> you know why sony won't stream it. the cable operators won't do it either because they are worried about the same thing. >> post it online. >> i'm serious. >> apple tv won't do it, tivo won't do it. >> they are talking about netflix maybe doing it but i have not heard when a netflix has to say about it. >> post it on youtube. is this a real threat? otherwise we wouldn't go to the real threat. what about "american sniper." surely people say it gloves an american killer. i'm sure he's getting threats.

do they shut that movie down. >> isis level a threats against "american sniper." this is a slippery slope. >> i think you're under estimating how big a breach of security this was already. how frightening it is. >> so you let them win. >> you're not seeing -- >> the north koreans, look at the satellite pictures at night over the world. the north koreans can't even keep their lights on at night. do we really think north koreans can hit movie theaters across america? >> we didn't think the north koreans -- >> and if they do are the chinese going to tell us we can't go in and invade north korea and turn it into a turnip field? >> look, we've had this major industrial espionage hacking whatever you want to call it one of the biggest that i can

remember. the government, nobody has been able to say who did it, how it was done, bring these information justice, none of that has happened. i agree with you joe, i think the idea of cowering in the corner is a terrible idea. but until we can tell the world we figured out how this happen -- >> next story. >> do you believe that the north koreans were able to pull this off? >> not by themselves. >> i don't believe so. >> isn't that more disturbing. >> you look at the satellite pictures. south korea at night has lights. north korea does not. i'm serious. they can't keep a power grid running let alone hack into sony. they didn't do this >> but we don't know who did and that's scary. >> more scary than the federal government assuring us the north

koreanthis. i'm talking about turnip fields. i don't think they have technology to plant turnip there's. >> you're backing up my point. that's sweet of you. >> these are the people we fear. >> i fear the part we don't know. >> there's a larger issue involved here because of what has happened and we don't know how it has happened and we don't know for sure who did it. we assume north korea did it with assistance from an outside force. what happens with the empowerment factor in play. they got the reaction they did. what happens when they don't like an editorial in the "new york times" and hacks into the "new york times." >> in terms of the theaters pulling out at this point, i certainly wouldn't blame them. watch them with george clooney in ari's theater room. you guys will be fine. one more story here. in your lazy boys.

the dow had its big jegest day three years on thursday soaring more than 400 points. >> they felt that on main street too. oh, wait no they didn't. >> how annoying is that. >> the surge extended a market rally into a second day after a wednesday announcement by the fed that hikes in interest rates aren't on the immediate horizon. wow. but oil prices continue to drop and after a brief respite from the recent plunge brent crude dropped below $60. for more on this let's go to come to -- cnbc. >> the u.s. economy is growing at a moderate pace but the federal reserve came out and said they will keep whatever they need to do in place to make sure that the economy keeps growing and because of that you

got traders all over wall street saying hey you know what? we got a seasonally strong time for the market for stocks and a fed that will accommodate whatever we need to do to keep this economy going. you have a nice bull run for stocks. what's happening with the overall market we're 200 points away on the dow from a record high again. this is all happening despite falling oil prices. the real question is whether or not these oil prices keep falling and whether the economy can keep going and that's a big deal at the end of the year. >> thank you so much. >> can i ask willie a question. why does mika hate george clooney. >> it's easy for him to say that. why doesn't he go work at a movie theater. >> it's like cuomo. >> ah-ha.

>> you going to argue where george clooney goes on vacation. it's pretty funny. >> i think his opinion about whether or not theaters are concerned about a security threat is really just not necessary. i'm sure it's very nice he does the greatest jerry weintraub impersonation i ever seen. a very talented man. >> why do you hate. >> still ahead, we're going to have some fun on friday. i am very upset if it wasn't the friday before christmas. comedian and actress sherri shepherd joins us and then steve madden will be here. >> you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

♪ the "daily news" wants to save our horses and i'm with the "daily news." we need horses in the park, right? it's christmas. >> the momentum is going the other way, i think. the de blasio possibition. >> i like him. >> why does he hate horse sos much. >> let's take a look at the moaning papers. i think you have that wrong too. >> he hates horses. he's going kill them and eat them. >> three women were involved in a brawl over a crying baby. women on a recent air china flight. according to reports two women complained to the child's mother after the baby's cries interrupted their sleep. that's so mean. the women exchanged harsh words before it escalated into a fist fight and one had her head

slammed into the overhead storage bin. the flight had landed in hong kong, the plane was met by local police. let me just tell you i can't stand it when people are mean about crying babies. it's not like you can control a crying baby. you make it worse the mother gets nervous and the baby cries more. >> nobody loves having crying babies sitting next to you. but you feel sorry for the mom or the dad with the crying baby and try to help. >> that's someone who has never had kids before. if you're the parents on the other end all you want is for that baby to stop crying. >> be nice to parents who have crying babies. you were a baby once too. >> seriously ask them how you can help out. i'm dead serious. >> we used to take our babies into the lavatory. there's things you can do.

>> mika, my kids never cried in public. all four of them never cried in public. i gave them a sip of bourbon, benadryl. i look at them, i said this is not going to work. but that said i still feel so bad for parents who kids cry in public. >> nobody wants to be in that spot. in the "wall street journal" amazon rolled out prime now where customers can have their orders delivered within an hour. amazon prime can choose to have their goods delivered in two hours for free or pay 7.99 for one hour delivery. the service is only available in manhattan but plans to expand to other cities next year. one hour delivery. >> you know how they were going to deliver by drones. i bought one of those drones on amazon. yeah. i took it out in the yard the other day with jack. you know how high those things go? those things, i'm serious.

it could hit -- i lost control of it. it was like -- it's starting to go to the neighbor's yard. i had to steer it into a tree. >> up brought it back. >> it's on top of a 40-foot tree. it was either going in my neighbor's tree when it crashed or i had to destroy it. >> jack hit the tree? like jack rabbit. >> guys. >> how do you explain to a 6-year-old stuck up inside a 40-foot tree. >> the "wall street journal," vh-1 is facing growing criticism over its new shows "sorority sisters" and several big companies are pulling ads. it revolves around nine women in nine sororities at historic black colleges. it focuses on stereotypes and portrays the sororities negatively. carmax said it's no longer advertising on vh-1 and honda and hallmark said their ads will

not be shown. >> i know nothing about this show. but aren't sororities and fro a fraternities stereotypes. >> our work exists beyond college. the incoming attorney general loretta lynch is a membesigma. >> tell bus the show. >> it's a show that showcases members of alpha cappa and others. it's nonsense. yelling. messing. cursing. scholarship. it's ratchet tv that denigrates black women again. >> i have no idea what this show

is about. sounds like it shouldn't be on taxpayer. how could 15 minutes ago you defend this movie being shown around the country about somebody being assassinated and talk about this show. >> you have a reality show about organizations that actually exist and so individuals we are saying -- no. >> roland, i don't know what's wrong with mika today. she's like scrooge. >> the fact that african-americans have $1.1 trillion spending power. hold on, mika. what we're saying is we're not going to stand where black women are denigrated -- not a question of watching, not when you denigrate black women but organizations they are members of. we're saying i'm sorry that's shameful, and so people are speaking out. >> people shouldn't watch it. does anyone think i'm crazy?

you want this movie shown across america to stand up to terrorists. >> here's the deal. >> mika -- >> what is that? >> a random shot. >> the north koreans have taken control of our show. roland, we have mika -- >> mika, can somebody -- you are making roland uncomfortable here. >> he's wrong. >> mika, you're wrong. again as a member of one of the african-american fraternities, i would think when you have individuals who are denigrating that history and a network who wants to profit off of that i would say absolutely i will stand here to protect a cultural institution. >> roland, dude, identify watched like a clip -- mika, good lord, stop it.

god! >> the kardashian are very upsetting to me. >> i give up. i've seen the real world. mika, just talk. good lord, i quit. i quit! >> hey joe is it upsetting to be interrupted. >> coming up, roland i love you. >> so good. >> a look at today's must read opinion pages. i've been getting ready for christmas. i'm tired. >> what's wrong with you? >> we have drinks -- >> we got two great experts on north korea cyber attack on sony. cia's former director for the korean branch and ibm former security deputy director. we'll be back in a moment.

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♪ all right. it's time now for the must read opinion pages. am i allowed to speak? >> why stop now. >> god. >> why stop. >> the "wall street journal" -- alex, oh, my lord he's really mean. >> peggy noonan writes the cuban regime is a defeated foe. >> i always thought life often being unfair, that fidel castro would die the death of a happy

monster. old in a bed a cigar justing out from the pillows a brandy on the bedside table. my dream the past few years was that this tranquil end would be disturbed by this scene. american tourists jumping up and down outside his home, snapping pictures. castro sees them through the window he grits his teeth so hard the cigar snaps off, money and sentiment defeat his life's work, he leaves the world knowing that in history's graeme game he lost. >> and "the washington post" write this. >> since the democrats got pasted six weeks ago in the mid term elections obama has seemed more liberated to govern. you might have suspected the opposite given the crushing defeat but obama now seems closer to the post-political aspirations he discussed during his first presidential campaign. he has nothing to lose.

finally he has a framework for solid policy. in dealing with russia. iran. iraq and cuba. successful implementation has never been easy for this president. >> he has no more election twoers about. he won't be on the ballot any more. he's a free man. he's liberated and can do what he's wanted to do for six years. >> he's determined to go out with whatever accomplishments key do with a congress that's not doing anything and get some points on the scoreboard. >> it seems that way. >> joe has a different view. >> you agree. >> no, i don't. >> oh, come on. >> come on. >> what? >> the guy is doing things unilaterally. still after six years hasn't figured out how to work with congress. his foreign policy is an absolute debacle. seriously. what have we seen in the past

couple of weeks he can run washington the next two years. >> i saw the list that you said on television yesterday. >> right. >> talking about the accomplishments of this presidency when you were talking about what the democrats could have used to sell themselves and it was a long list. so long i can't even remember in terms of the accomplishments of this presidency ending with the unemployment numbers going down. >> yeah. i think you can make an argument. >> that was before apparently he had the wind at his back. >> i don't think he that's wind at his back. he's doing a lot of things unilaterally. if the republicans get their heads screwed on straight what he did on immigration will be reversed. this cuban policy remains to be seen how congress will respond to that. >> joe, he's not doing stuff unilaterally, what he's doing is acting like the president of the united states. he's taking action. during the campaign he talked about willing to talk to our enemies. at the end of the day our cuban policy has failed.

the president is saying i will take the initiative, now do you want to go with me. let me also throw this in. we just did a piece about the stock market going up, gas prices going down. does he get that credit? he got the blame. >> i don't think he does. coming up next, a nation in cyber war, three things the u.s. must do right away in response to north korea's hack of sony pictures. stay with us. we don't know really where the show is going this morning. the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on time. right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably. we call that predictable. thrillingly predictable.

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♪ people in this country have the right to produce all sorts of different fictional accounts of things that we do not attempt to restrain in anyway. and so this attack, as i said, represents not only an attack on a company and its people but also on basic freedoms that we have in this country.

>> welcome back. >> it's such a great school. >> terrible success rate but i'll do my best. hard to get into these days. >> she's so excited, it's the coolest place ever. >> vanderbilt, nashville, got everything going for you. >> anyway. back to you. now homeland security secretary jeh johnson with the sony hack and with us from washington the cia's former director for the korean branch bruce klinger and cyber security consultant for ibm steve buchi. bruce, let me begin with you. i've been talking about those satellite pictures that show north korea dark at night, south korea with actual electric light bulbs that thomas edison inconvenient ad few years ago. it doesn't seem the north

koreans can power a blender. why should we believe it was the north koreans that broke into a multinational corporation's computer system the way this group did. >> they actually have a very extensive cyber warrior capability. they have three to five thousand what they call cyber warriors ainu knit called bureau 121. in addition they have other hacker as part of the military -- >> bruce can i interrupt you. how do you know that? obviously it's a very secretive society. so, how does the u.s. know that? >> well, a defector from that unit, several defector from that unit are in south korea now. they reported on the details. u.s. and south korean officials reported fairly extensively on that unit as well as other units. >> are you surprised, steve a country that's as backwards as north korea would have the

foresight to put together such a unit, and apparently be able to hack into one of the most powerful entertainment corporations in the world? >> well, the fact that north korea has the capability does not surprise me. it doesn't take that many people or that much capability to do what they did. what is surprising is how poor sony's defenses were in the face of this attack. >> steve, do you know that it was just sony or should i be worried about my bank? should i be worried about my employer? should americans be worried that their employers are just as lax about this as sony >> all americans should be concerned about this. everybody in the west should be concerned about their personal cyber security status and the status of their organizations. they have to take the right steps. if you don't make the investment somebody like north korea could come in and get all of your information.

>> bruce, yesterday i was speaking with someone who was at a level in the government who would know something about this. and he was telling me that it's doubtful that north korea did this alone. that they probably had assistance. so i'm wondering what role, if any, do you think it had in this that sony, a japanese company, they are right there, same region, you know, what's the deal there? >> well, the north korean government hackers both the military and the intelligence services, they operate not usually out of north korea they go to china, singapore, other places so they will operate anywhere. they will use computer nodes in europe and elsewhere. they could do it by themselves. south korea's banks, businesses, the government agencies, they've all been hacked by what's been traced back to north korea. >> bruce it's willie geist. the only way shutting down this movie and not letting people go see it in theaters makes sense

is if we believe this group and if it is north korea, north korea could carry out its threat to carry out a 9/11 as was said in the threat. do you believe that north korea has the capability to threaten the united states at home, to threaten movie theaters as they claim to? >> north korea never carries out its threats except when it does. it's done a number of military attacks against south korea, it's jammed south korean airliners flying in and out of seoul airport. they have done a number of acts of terrorism in the past. usually against south korea. they blew up an airliner in mid-air killing over 100 people. they tried to assassinate the south korean president several times. whether they would try to attack on u.s. soil i think is far, far less likely. that said they do have capabilities. they've tried to assassinate defectors in south korea. >> given the extensive capability you just articulated for north korea's ability to

hack into sony's computers or lots of other people why haven't we seen more examples of this. why haven't they don't it on a larger scale. >> they have done several attacks mostly in south korea, but they hacked u.s. government agencies a couple of years ago. i think the sony incident is because of what north korea saw as an insult to its leadership. they take that very seriously. they've threatened the north korean military has threatened south korean media organizations in 2012. even providing the geographic coordinates of the headquarters to make their point very clear. they've threatened the south korean government for not stopping anti-north korean demonstrations in the street. so they respond to anything that they see as insulting to their leaders. >> roland has a quick question. roland? >> you mentioned the attacks on south korea by north korea but what evidence, intelligence do we have that they can somehow attack us here, sleeper cells, spies, what do we have to say that can actually happen on

american soil? >> i think that's far less likely. certainly they can attack with cyber units. i don't think there are sleeper cells here. physical attacks are much more likely to occur in south korea. i don't think theaters here were in danger. it was a mistake for sony to pull the movie. >> steve, what's the degree of difficulty in breaking into sony's structure as opposed to the grid here or, you know, our large financial institutions? >> in this case you have this major corporation, a tech corporation, at least connected to one that used very, very poor technique, really bad, you know, folders full of passwords that were labelled passwords. i mean that's kind of childish stuff. and they did that so the tools north korea used were pretty unremark scrabble. good hacker tools but nothing -- they weren't like some really

elegant sophisticated tool. >> you don't think these same hackers can get into bank of america or jpmorgan chase. >> i'm not saying they couldn't. those organizes could have problems too. but i do think those organizations have much more sophisticated cyber defenses than what apparently sony utilized. >> what's a company that steps into the breach here -- you used to work for ibm. what happens now? obviously a lot of people will be scrambling to make sure that comcast, bank of america, all these other companies, warner brothers or whatever if they still exist, i think they've been eaten up, how do we make sure this doesn't happen. what does a corporation do to protect their employees, to protect their business? >> they need to take basic steps. one hopes all these other companies will take this incident as a wake up call. unfortunately, we tend to not wake up until we are personally

or as an entity hit by something like this. i hope that's not what it takes. you know we always say it will take a cyber 9/11 for us to really wake up. i hope that's not correct. but, americans tend to be well it's not really going to happen to me. that's a dangerous attitude. >> all right. thank you both so much. roland, thank you as well. >> roland, i am sorry. willie and i would like to apologize. mommy gets a little crazy. she mixes her meds with the eggnog and a toxic brew. >> i say shut down "sorority sisters" because as americans we can do that, mika. >> you can choose not to watch. >> we love roland. much more "morning joe" when we come back. (woman) the constipation and belly pain feel tight like a vise.

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i was next to willie cranston. it was scientists. dean came in on a segway. jon stewart came. it was emotional. >> what was the apology? >> one of the running jokes through the entire show over these last years he'll say something embarrassing like i went out and there was a frail woman on the street and i knocked her over because i need ad cab. apologies to doris goodwin. every time something embarrassing or something sexy and my stupid picture went up there. the final credit, he said to me before it was over look at the final credit. the final credit of the final show was apologies to doris

goodwin. it was a running joke. oh, my god he said this thing last night about sex and there you were. >> that's great. you need to get a screen grab and frame it. >> i loved it. >> it looked special. >> i'm stunned you're here. you were up so late looking beautiful so we'll start this hour with the news, i want to hear what you think of this. federal officials may give definitive word as early as today who the source of the sony attack is. the white house is calling the suspected attack a serious national security matter. u.s. officials say the attack may have begun months ago and routed through a series of servers to disguise the origin. a senior u.s. official told nbc news this week the u.s. concluded north korea was responsible, administration officials did not say so in public on thursday. the obama administration is considering how to respond but it says the attackers may be sophisticated and itching for a reaction. white house press secretary josh

earnest also confirmed that sony previously sought feedback from administration officials about the movie "the interview." >> administration officials were consulted about the film prior to its release at the request of officials from the company that was producing the movie. >> i'm not suggesting you're dictating to them but you had involvement months ago in this so did the administration under estimate the impact this would have. >> no. we would not have been in a position of dictating an outcome or changes to a film. we did so at the request of the company. so, again, you had this private company that had come to the administration officials seeking their input, and that was presumably that input was shared. >> variety is reporting sony can lose up to $75 million after shelf "the interview" including marketing costs.

a new trailer for "the interview" was published on sony's youtube thursday but quickly pulled it down. paramount has banned theaters from showing "team america world police" instead of "the interview." george clooney is speaking about his failed attempt to get hollywood celebrities to sign their support for sony. he said we have a new paradigm, a new reality and we're doing to have to deal with it all the way down the line. this was a dumb comedy that was about to come out with the first amendment you're never protecting jefferson, it's usually protect some guy who's got a dumb comedy. gene robinson nobody is standing up against this and everybody but mika seemed to be concerned about it. >> well, you know, we do have to stand up against this, i think. especially if this was a north

korean hack. i was at the white house yesterday and spoke with a senior administration official who would not -- would not confirm, the white house was not ready to confirm or to say that it was definitively north korea, but this official did say that this was the kind of attack that does deserve a response and so they are going to do something. i don't know what. but made clear that this is not something that could just, can just be waved off. >> at the same time the argument is that they should show the movie, theaters show show the movie and people should go to the movie and that's standing up to terrorism. >> i think that's a good argument too. and the administration has said it did not see a credible threat against movie theaters. but that, of course, is a decision that first the movie theater chains made, they didn't want to show it. then sony made, i think, the

only decision it could make under the circumstances, if nobody is going to show the movie, and there is this threat whether confirmed or not hanging over it, i don't see that at that point sony had much of a choice. now, if you rewind the movie, maybe there could have been and as george clooney suggests should have been a more coordinated sort of hollywood response to this that could have kept the theaters on board and we would be seeing the movie and judging it on its merits. >> the only thing i'm saying is that this was a huge sort of attack on the core of sony, this company. the company has been pretty much taken down or at least paralyzed by this. nobody seems to really know a lot beyond maybe north korea did it. this is the new frontier and until we know more -- i don't know. i think anybody -- wean had the

experts on earlier, it doesn't look like it can just be sony. it's frightening. >> it is frightening. also frightening you have somebody suggesting 9/11 style attacks online and an entire country cowering. an entire industry cowering. and you just can't cower. >> i'm sure it's not just that. >> what do you mean? >> i think they are concerned about being hacked themselves and i think the hack on sony was, you know, extremely debilitating, and other companies are looking at this, if this could happen to sony -- >> i don't mean to be too intense here, but, you know, doris in politics i always would go and whisper something to my opponents. i said here's the deal. you can go ahead and punch me in the stomach but when you do, i want you to know i'm going to kick you in the face until you can get up off the ground and

then i'm going to keep kick and then i would shake your hands and say have a good day i hope we have a good fair contest. this is not the time you allow people who hack your company to think they are going to get away with it. it seems to me you double down. i don't understand -- i don't understand the cowering by hollywood. >> i agree with you on this one. it's such a slippery slope. if this movie made these people mad and made these kind of threats what happens when the next movie deals with a foreign threat and makes them mad and they hack somebody. in the end:is right. the first amendment is there. it may be a stupid movie. >> why doesn't george clooney's production company show the movie and have special screenings. >> maybe they didn't think that through. >> the theaters won't show pinpoint >> why doesn't george clooney show it himself. >> okay. maybe he will.

i don't know what your obsession with george clooney is. i think you have a crush on george clooney. >> joe, the big question here is will controversial movies get made? and, you know, you don't want to be too grandiose about this -- >> the answer is no. do you think there will be a tough movie made about vladimir putin now? who in hollywood will finance that. >> that's a very good question. there's already been -- there was a steve carell movie that was in development that was going to be, have sort of a north korea plot, it was a thriller, not -- they weren't going to blow up kim jong-un's head or anything but it was a north korea movie. that has been cancelled. so, you know, this is not -- this is a slippery slope that we seem to be partway down that slope. this hasn't happened before. so it's not a surprise to me we're struggling how to figure out how to deal with it.

you listen to the north korean recognize and figure they won't rain missiles down. how do we respond? >> there's a serious policy debate to be had here about how far do you go in responding and that's one of the considerations the white house has to make right now is do they give north korea the kind of response that it has always coveted? it wants to poke us, want to see us react. if you listened to the white house briefing yesterday. josh earnest hinted that the united states is going to do something but we may not see what that is. it may not be a very public response. i don't want to speculate what that might be. but that was interest fpg other thing is that the president is getting briefed on this almost every single day, josh said. that tells you how deeply deeply serious the administration is taking this. >> it's also larger than just movies. it extends to books. it extends to newspaper

columnists. >> finances. >> television. >> it extends to everything you say, television programs as well. it also extends really into the right of privacy and that's what fueled this. what company wants to expose their personal emails back and forth the way sony has been exposed. so every corporation will be kind of leery about this. >> all right. >> what have i said lately. moving on to politics. elizabeth warren is the talk of the democratic party since her attempt last week to disrupt a spending bill compromise because of concessions to wall street. >> that talk is getting louder. liberal advocacy group moveon.org hosted an event in iowa to show support for warren in the nation's first presidential contest state. another group is putting $250,000 into the draft warren effort. and partnering with move on in trying persuade her to run for

president. as 2016 meters and challengers emerge many wonder if hillary clinton has learned from the mistakes she made in 2008. an arlington in this morning's "new york times" highlights those missteps emphasizing strength and experience over softness and relatability. coming across as wooden and calculated and misusing her husband during the campaign. okay. today the times reports clinton is taking steps to suggest she learned from those mistakes. clinton highlights her grandmother glow, opts for mingling at events. >> this is too much. let's just stop. >> i'm not sure i agree with it. >> i don't either. >> isn't it a mistake to talk about experience. >> she had a horrible book tour. we'll see how she does. >> i don't get this article. >> doris, i did this yesterday, wrote these numbers down. >> it gives me a headache.

>> pretty stunning. if clinton or bush -- >> whoa. >> these two dynasties run and win in '16 look at that a bush or clinton 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2016, 2020, it seems to me -- we look like south american land holding families. this is a sick democracy. this is a sick republic. this is a republic that has sclerosis. is there any, any evidence over the past 235 years that these sort of dynasties -- have they ever had this much sway and what's wrong with our country? >> it's the media more than anything and access to fundraising and staffs that you accumulate. >> money.

>> money, money, money always first. you have a start that nobody else has and it's an unfair advantage. obviously john adams and john quincy adams which was not a happy dynasty because john quincy adams never wanted to be president. his father however said if you don't become president it's because of your laziness because i put you at the head of the line. then benjamin harrison the grandson of william harrison and said i'm nobody's grandson i want to run on my own. then they had this song of his grandfather's hat was too big for his head. >> george w. bush can immediately hook into his father's money. jeb bush can immediately look into his brother and his father's money. >> to the bundlers and the groups. >> jeb's son george p. bush in texas can immediately hook into his father and his uncle and his grandfather's money. >> i agree.

the one reason why george washington decided not to run again of that we were not creating a kingship and he wanted new information have a chance -- i'm thinking for him now. but it's important to have new staff, new people, new ideas. if you have those same people -- the other side is they've been through it. they have the tough times. they know what it's like to lose. they know what it's like have your private life crushed in and still willing to do it. they still have fire in the belly. >> still -- >> that's at that lot. would you do this? >> i did it right now. it's pretty scary is what is it. i can't believe, mike barnacle if you look at the state of politics today, this is what's happened when the bushs and the clintons have been in the white house. we want eight more years of that. i think barbara bush of right. >> if you think about that just

from that chart and you shouldn't think about it because it is truly depressing what's happened to our political system over the past two or three decades, when john f. kennedy announced for the presidency of the united states he did so in january of the year of the election. january of 1960. we now live in the state of a constant. campaign where you're elected to a federal office, especially the united states senate. you get there. you assume within 30 seconds hey why not me. you spend two-thirds of every day raising money to keep that plane afloat for four or six years depending on your term. it is hideous. >> nobody is happy being what they are. they are looking at the step ahead. it used to being a great, you were a senator for life. >> this maybe an advantage for jeb. how long has it been since he's ran for office >> last time he ran was 1998. so 2002. >> you hear concern maybe he's rusty and that it will take some time. that's why he declared his

intention to explore, explore, exploring for the presidency. and that he needs to work out some of those kinks before he actually does. >> and firming up the establishment vote. >> gene, let's bring you in here. you have jeb and hillary who both have been out of the game for quite sometime as far as elected public service. jeb 2002, hillary 2004 but they got the brand name. apparently that's all you need to raise millions and millions of dollars. >> they have the brand names. they will have the money. i think each is hoping that the other runs because they kind of, you know, that cancels out the whole dynastic issue in the clinton camp and bush camp. can you imagine anything more likely to turn off the american voter than the notion of trudging to the polls to vote

between a bush and a chinn. that's the aspect of it that really disturbs me is how disspiriting that will be to a whole lot of people. >> gene, isn't this a perfect time if a strong independent candidate decides that he or she is going to run for office? when you have a bush versus a clinton? >> you know, might be, and you know how hard it is for an independent or third-party candidate to get any traction in our system. so you have to say the odds are way against from the get. but if there are any a time, ever a time, if that, indeed, is a match-up we have, you know, an exciting independent candidate would certainly have a better chance than in a normal election. i think. it's just going turn people off. >> doris, thank you so much for being on today. >> we apologize. >> thank you. i accept them.

>> jeremy, stay with us. gene, thanks. still ahead this morning we have "gq" magazine's crazy's of u.s. politicians. that should be interesting. we'll be right back.

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>> we look at this from the "daily mail." two british teens have designed a wearable 3-d printed band that records your favorite tv shows when you fall asleep. virgin media teamed up with the teens to develop the device known as the kipster. >> we wanted you two specifically to work on this project. it was a sense of disbelief. you could have gotten thousands of other people. >> so this wrist band uses a pulse sensor to monitor the user so it knows when you fall asleep and transport as signal to a virgin media tivo box which then pauses the show. the device is in trial mode. >> read a book, kids. >> why do you need that? oh, i fell asleep. i don't get it. that's a useless item. sorry kids. >> yes, absolutely.

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it comes to this kind of stuff and they have been ahead of the curves. so to see this, though, that's pretty clever. >> you know, i give -- i am going to give people credit for trying. >> it wasn't weepy. >> he probably was after. >> stop it. i give credit. >> it was nice. >> i'll touch on this very quickly and we'll move on. >> chuck is here. >> front page or at least the front of the "new york times" a lagging region is written off by cuomo. hoping for an economic revival by fracking were dashed by governor cuomo. i led in upstate new york for year. when we were there in the late '70s it was starting to lose those jobs. this is -- i said it before. this is the democrats listening to one faction and basically

writing off working class, middle class voters. can you have that debate but i say, i said it before, i'll say it now, this energy revolution will drive a wedge in the democratic party. and they are on the wrong side of the unions, they are on the wrong side of the workers, they are on the wrong side of the working class, 0 on the wrong side of the unemployed. they can say all they want to do keystone being two or three or four jobs or whatever but they are just throwing away a lot of work in upstate new york. >> not only upstate new york. set fracking aside because you can take that wide swath of up engineer new york state, whole sections of massachusetts, ohio, industrial states. they are gone in terms of full employment. full employment the way they used to know it 25, 30 years ago and it gets to the democrats problem continuing and growing problem with working class people in this country. >> it's going to be a problem. let's bring in nbc news moderator for "meet the press,"

chuck todd. obviously, you know, we saw in the 2014 election the billionaires, the people obsessed on climate. i'm not saying that there's not global warming but people, many in america might consider taking extreme position on the climate. driving decisions like andrew cuomo's in upstate new york that badly needs jobs. >> you can't help but wonder if andrew cuomo was thinking about a 2020 presidential primary some day in making a decision like that. now we should point out that fracking right now economically with the drop in the price of oil, investments in trying to frack in places like ohio and now new york they can't do, may not happen actually right now so

he may be banning a practice that wasn't going to be, you know, that they weren't going to be there, they may have missed the boat there's some pulling back on that. the price of oil has to be certain price for it to economically make sense for companies to do this. but, look, this working class -- this white working class problem that the democrats have, i feel we're going back to future. it's the same problem that democrats found themselves in in the '80s and it eventually cost them some presidential election, cost them some things and it took a while for bill clinton to sort of win back working class whites for the democratic party in the '90s. this is a new challenge going forward in 2016 for the democrats. >> chuck, i mean, could you expand? you look at the polling data all the time and you pull the tabs and you look at the cross sections so you've got someone on the way to work at 6:00 in the morning to a job that they are fearful might disappear overseas, that had the job ten or 12 years.

they are beyond being helped by a raise in the minimum wage. they have a wage. they hear on the car radio the stock market yesterday closed at a record high and they haven't really got jeni take home pay benefit or boost in ten or 12 years. the internal rage that so many people feel towards politics in general but specifically the democratic party, what's their plan to deal with this constituency group which used to be the core of the party? >> well, look. i think they struggled to do. to me that's what 2014 exposed. they didn't even have a conversation with this group of voters. now that said, democrats know they have this problem. right. you know all of the -- if you heard the various, you know, you had plenty of people outside, back seat drivers of the white house say to the president, say to the white house how come you people don't trump at the economy more. mike this is why they don't. they know the economy is working really well for people on the coasts and not working well in

middle america. the sad part of this economy is the person you're just describing, in our last poll this week that we released, we're actually seeing for the first time they are seeing, they are feeling better about the economy but for one reason. the drop in gas prices. it's the first time they have felt they've got more money in their pocket. right? that's a tangible asset. oh, lower gas prices i actually have more cash in my pocket every month. that's making a difference for me right now. nothing else has made a difference. >> do you think, chuck, do you think when it comes to and as we talk about clean energy moving into 2016 and the messaging from trebs and the democrats it's going to be interesting to see where a rick perry who we know has presidential aspirations and potentially now a jeb bush who is actively exploring line up against a cuomo or a clinton when it comes to fracking. i've been doing research there's this new seismic activity in

texas where earthquakes are being linked to fracking and now we have situations in ohio where they are trying to move forward, cuomo coming down hard on this. do you think that's a big issue, clean energy and the resources? >> it depends. it's all event based. look at the way the public reacted before on nuclear power. the public was for expansion of nuclear power until fukushima happened. and what happened in japan. all of a sudden nobody -- oh, this idea of expanding new nuclear power plants here in the united states that went away. offshore oil drilling, you started seeing as joe knows in the state of florida a warming up to the idea of it. and then bp happened and then all of a sudden the idea of warming up to offshore oil drilling which even president obama was getting ready to expand got pulled back. so a lot of this stuff, thomas, is event driven. >> chuck todd, what do you have coming up on "meet the press" this weekend.

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you know what? it's a small crazy whacky world. it really is. >> ronan farrell is here. i learn the same day as joey scarborough. de-19th, 1987. this weird family thing we have going on. >> what does it mean? >> it means i'm still a baby and humbly learning from the best, mika. >> oh, god. i won't say it. >> can you believe that? >> yeah. i like your mom. >> thank you. i love your family. >> thank you. >> let's stop ourselves. >> we have an important story. >> i like your dad. >> all right. joe, important story. >> i'm your dad. remember i adopted you. >> i like my dad. >> department much veterans affairs under fire again. a new report made public this week from the v. a.inspector

general. how many vets died suffering from care. a bruising year for the va. >> some veterans learned that a common medical procedure teva facility kos have gone terribly wrong. changing their lives forever. it's a story that the nbc news investigative unit first reported on five years ing. ronan farrell followed up and what did you find? >> the first beat in the story is shocking enough. 10,000 plus colonoscopies and endoscopies at hospitals that exposed veterans to risk of infection with hiv, with hepatitis and balloon from one patient going into another, nightmare stuff. we talked to some of the families involved in this and got the human stakes of this. take a look. >> john and philip bell tested positive. we visited them and asked them about what happened?

>> hello. >> hello, how are you. >> john. >> it's a pleasure to meet you. >> the va told him he tested positive for hepatitis b a virus transmitted through bodily fluids. it can cause permanent damage and a higher risk of liver failure or liver cancer. >> i can't explain the feelings that went over me. i was mad, upset, aggravated. as mad as i could be at the same time. and i wanted to strangle somebody, you know. then you got to go home and tell your family something like this, you know. >> the va told bell he tested positive for hepatitis b too. >> what did you fwheel you heard that? >> it's devastating. not just to you but to your family because you don't know what you're passing along to your family members as a result

of someone else's miscare. >> you know, the worst part is we followed up on this story and what we found is that the va had denied almost every mall practice claim brought bipartisan these individuals testing positive after these botched procedures and not only that we heard from each of those individuals they were unsupported, abandoned, treated as legal adversaries. both of those men decided to end sexual relations with their wives a simple medical device could have prevented taking that toll. >> that's stunning. >> beyond stunning. it's obscene. what is the time frame of this? when did these tests occur? >> the procedures occurred back in 2009. and a period before. they all got letters in '09. we know that was the point at which they started notifying these individuals. what's startling in the years subsequent they sent out additional letters saying

basically the -- they first said we acknowledge you exposed you to this heinous risk and then said we have no liability. >> the geography involved. >> tennessee, some procedures in georgia. we were down one tennessee with both of those individuals. in florida. here's the interesting thing. in florida there was actually a favorable legal outcome for some individuals, some of them got settlements. because of the body of law at work in those other states and because of the d.a. and their aggressive legal team there are no results and no justice. >> so, when we talk about the geography of this my dad is a vietnam vet he depends on walter reed, he goes there for treatment. when we talk about the geography and then the settlements, explain how much money these people were given for this? what do we know about the back end of that and if there are different stories for different vets. >> in florida there was some substantial compensation for individuals but the brood swath of individuals had their claims denied and got no compensation out of it. what's interesting about that legal approach we read them the

legal language which is very dehumanizing. we don't accept any liability, we don't know how this could have happened. they set up a burden of proof which was impossible to meet. thomas, the punch line to this story, tammy kennedy the regional counsel sent most of these letters that these vets found dehumanizing the head lawyer teva. >> i need to read the va statement you have in response to your story. >> quite an interview. >> they declined to make anyone available for an interview and the number of veterans exposed is a small percentage. it's unacceptable that veterans were exposed to harm at some va fasts. when this came to light in 2009 va underfook a comprehensive program that included policy implementation of new policy standard operating procedures and additional individual training to ensure that reusable medical equipment was

reprocessed properly and issues like this never happened between. >> we need to get jeff miller on the show. jeff from northwest florida who is the head of the veterans committee. if the va has cleaned it up that's fine but you got to make these people whole whose lives you destroyed. >> after an incident like this. some said initially they did the right thing by telling them about frontal boundary. but you can't turn them into legal adversaries. these men fought for their country and they said they feel abandoned. >> thank you so much. happy birthday, son. a special day for us and our family. >> happy birthday in your family too. >> it's all the same. >> all the same. >> very good. catch ronan, the nation's family, we're the world. ronan farrell daily at 1:00 p.m. eastern. make sure you watch it. i always do.

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flintstone in the car trying to slow the brakes as the government reads head-long into socialism. >> think of him as joseph mccarthy if he could deliver a calf. >> he's a big animal veterinarian. >> blames -- okay, let's go to number two. no, we'll skip two. number three, joe barton. >> who would be your list, in all your -- >> oh, they're all over the place, man. >> was the curation -- are you frightened -- >> i do know this, there are as many crazy democrats as there are crazy republicans. >> look at number 20. vice president biden. he's crazy enough to run for president. >> okay, this is the no criticize joe zone. >> are you frightened of communists, muslims and vaginas. that's how you came up with this list. >> two out of three ain't bad. >> some of these people are.

>> i have to question the list. >> well, question me. that's why we're on tv. >> louie gomert. >> yes. >> congressman louie gomert. clearly the leader of the mentally ill wing of his party. and he's not in the top five? >> hard to say. don't look at number one as number one. it's not like power rankings. it's just here's the 20 people you don't want to be in the room with. number 17, on the list. >> not good enough for me. >> oh, higher. >> i want the big foam finger be in one. >> you have fresh crazy joni ernst. >> but this is the great thing about the list, its always evolving, it's malleeable. >> they're all republicans. was there not one conservative in your editorial meeting who said, you know what, 95% of these should not be republican. i love your magazine, but you

got to have one person. >> jim going. >> no, i'm not going. because if i made a list like this, there would be as many democrats as republicans. >> all right, who's crazy as a democrat. >> i don't go around calling people crazy but they've named a couple on the air that have done some pretty crazy things. i mean, you know, let's take charlie rangel. i love charlie. a war hero. but charlie has said some crazy, crazy stuff over the past couple of weeks. >> there you go. >> i could list a lot of others but that's not why we're here. >> you know, the democrats -- >> look what mika's doing now because there's no pictures of kate upton for her to make fun of. look what she's doing over there. >> shoes? >> -- and so i'm just picking a pair of shoes to wear. >> okay. >> did you find them? >> i love them, yes. they're red. >> i really think you need flats. >> but the democrats have a long history of crazy.

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career, none of that was really me. you, the nation, did all of that. i just got paid for it. [ applause ] thanks. i want you to know, if i had to do it all again, if i could do it with you, i would do it the same. and that's the word. good morning. it's friday, december 19th. the friday before christmas. are you all ready? >> yes. >> so not ready. ah. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. and in washington, the host and managing editor of tv one's daily morning show "news one now," roland martin. >> what's happening? >> oh, my gosh. >> i'm going to miss that guy. >> yeah, i don't want it to stop. >> epic. >> it's bittersweet. because he was so good for nine years as that character. i can't wait to see what he does on cbs as just himself.

he's such a brilliant guy. he's such a genius comedian. it will be great to see him. this is the sing-along they did at the end of the show last night. >> i love it. bill clinton. >> is he going to be colbert or colbert? >> he was colbert before this character so he's going to stay -- yeah, his family's originally -- long ago he changed to colbert. i think he'll stay with colbert but i'm not sure. >> this is fun. i agree though, i kind of want it to stay. i'm not sure how -- i hope the transition's fantastic but it always seems like when you have a good thing. >> yeah. >> what could be better? >> i'm going to miss him doing "the colbert report." >> you want to go out at the top. >> he's trying something so new, a new challenge. >> genius. great guy. >> definitely. we wish him the best. hope he's nice to us. >> good luck with that. >> all right, let's get to the news. federal officials may give

definitive word as early as today on who the source of the sony cyber attack is. the white house is calling the suspected attack a serious national security manner. u.s. officials say the attack may have begun months ago and routed through a series of servers to disguise the origin. while a senior u.s. official told nbc news this week that the u.s. concluded north korea was responsible. administration officials did not say so in public on thursday. the obama administration is considering how to respond, but it says the attacker, may be sophisticated and itching for a reaction. well, they're getting it. white house press secretary josh earnest also confirmed that sony previously sought feedback from administration officials about "the interview," that's the movie. >> administration officials were consulted about the film prior to its release at the request of officials from the company that was producing the movie.

>> i'm not suggesting you were dictating to them. but i'm saying you had an involvement months ago in this. >> no, because we would not have been in the position of outcoming an outcome. we did so at the request at the company. you had this private company that had come to administration officials seeking their input. and that was presumably that input was shared. >> you know, talking to people who know a lot more about this than we do and experts on hacking, i've heard for over the past six months that this is the next frontier, this is the next big one coming. what do you guys think the chances are this is only the beginning of kind of complete reversal of safety online? >> i think clearly companies like sony are going to have to uptick their web security as much as banks and the grid do.

clearly, this was in that world not that difficult a task to get in there. they probably had inside help, i'm told, in the company. it's a big leap from the kind of security they had around their systems. >> i'm saying outside of sony. >> i would think every company in -- oh, sure, every company is going to have to look at their security in light of this. what's scary to me is this is north korea. this isn't china. chinese may have helped. we don't really know. this is a country living halfway back to the stone age. they were able to recall this havoc and get into the system. this is pretty scary. >> i think this is a mistake, to somehow -- what do you say, north korea back to the stone age. at the end of the day this is about cyber espionage. so if you broaden this think, we are such a technology-driven society, and so all of a sudden,

it is going to force people to realize that you don't fear somebody moving battleships into the sea. you don't fear submarines. you literally fear somebody would doesn't even have to leave your country who can bring down institutions in this country. yes, this is a national issue across the board. >> and imagine you're a hacker out there planning or thinking about doing something larger and you saw the disruption this caused for a seth rogen movie. >> forget about it. >> what about national security or something like that? >> power grids, water supply, you name it. >> exactly. "variety" is now reporting sony could lose up to $75 million after shelving this movie "the interview" including $30 million in marketing costs. temporary confusion when a new trailer was published on sony's youtube page. it was quickly pulled down. paramount has banned theaters from showing "team america:world police" instead of "the interview." that's now been pulled.

meanwhile, george clooney is speaking out about his failed attempt to get hollywood's biggest names to sign a letter of support for sony. clooney says, quote, we have a new paradigm, a new reality, and we're going to have to come to real terms with it all the way down the line. this was a dumb comedy that was about to come out. with the first amendment, you'rer in proteyou're er never protecting jefferson, it's usually protecting a guy who's burning a flag or doing something stupid. this is a silly comedy but the truth is what it now says about us is a whole lot. we have a responsibility to stand up against that. >> you and i were just saying that. >> in the lounge. we were in the lounge. >> look, but the problem is is nobody likes the idea of banning this movie. nobody likes the idea of giving in. the equivalent of terrorists. i was talking to a couple of senior hollywood people. if area a senior hollywood executive. if you run even a cable channel and you want to take the risk that in retaliation for your putting this on one of your people gets killed, gets

kidnapped, there's violence. they just don't want to take the risk. >> that's what it is. it begins -- >> but you can't totally blame them. >> no, you can't. listen, everyone is upset about freedom of expression. we're all upset about that. i was talking to someone yesterday. a lawyer. big-time lawyer. who said it begins at the shopping mall level. the shopping mall where the theater is located. so basically lawyers come in and say, well, you know, do we have 100% assurance from the fbi that nothing will happen? no, we can never give you that. i wouldn't take the risk. >> wow. okay. >> i don't know. i mean, i think what george clooney is right. you may not like the idea of this. you know, a lot of conservatives didn't like the idea of the assassination of george w. bush. you know, winning awards either. but i really am stunned that everybody's capitulated. that hollywood has hap pit

lated. that the movie theaters have capitulated. >> lawyers. >> and then "team america," a movie that came out years ago? that is a funny movie. there are puppets in the movie. you have puppets having sex in the movie. >> okay, stop. >> no, no, it is so -- >> it's a love scene. >> it's done tastefully. hold on a second. >> it's done tastefully. >> i got to say, if we have got to the point now where you are banning puppet movies because you fear north korea, let me just say, you suck. i'm glad you don't guard the pentagon. i'm glad you weren't there in 1944, scaling the walls of normandy. you just suck. if you're scared of puppet sex

that somehow -- come on, this is ridiculous. >> the multiplex on 42nd street, the theater manager, you would put "the interview" -- forget the puppet movie -- you would put "the interview" on and say okay? >> i would put "the interview" on and i would -- >> the lawyers won't let you. >> you know what, there would be a lot police protection and there would be line, wrapped around the block. >> yes, i agree. >> and you know what, 20 american flags in front of there and say come on, come at me, come get me. >> here's the problem with this. first of all, joe -- >> what say you? >> agree 100%. the problem i have, okay, they make the threat. the question to the fbi, to homeland security, is it a credible threat? so are we essentially saying that north korea has sleeper cells in america just because they made the threat? that's where the problem is. so i'm really shocked that they went to this level to say by a

simple threat oh my goodness we've got north koreans all around america. waiting to pounce. >> hello, roland, you don't know what the threats are. you don't know how serious they are. are you kidding me? >> what i'm saying is you have a department of homeland security and the fbi and the cia for a reason. do they have any end table that suggests the threat can be backed up with reality. >> mika, i'm sorry. >> okay. >> if this is -- george clooney says this is our new reality. i understand what he's saying. i think it's like a poke. this can't be our new reality. we cannot let tyrannical weak governments halfway across the world dictate what movies we're going to show on the upper west side! >> i think that's really nice of george clooney while he's vacationing in sicily somewhere. >> don't knock george clooney. what are you doing? that's a cheap shot. you're in the south of france every weekend.

it's not just -- >> -- a theater where, you know -- >> you know what, here you go, listen, there is nothing, willie, that is more sad than watching somebody who vacations in the south of france attack somebody that vacations in italy. the snobbery. >> i don't think we should, thank you very much. alex is in my ear, arguing with me. >> i agree with you, but then government has to come up with a credible plan for security for the places that are -- >> or credible intelligence. >> why do they? what happens next? what happens if chad -- does chad still exist? what if chad decides they're going to blow up the village voice? what if the lithuanians -- no, no, this is preprosperous and the fact that everybody's caved into it.

>> how do you know what the threats are? how do you know? at this point, it's a pretty big threat if sony has been completely unravelled by this -- >> no. >> i got your answer, mika. >> what's your answer? >> the homeland security has a threat level, color coded or -- whatever it is. if there was a credible threat with intelligence, what do you say, we go to level three, four, five. have we done that? no. this is based on a simple threat. that's the fundamental problem. he said, i got weapons. he didn't actually have any. a basic threat, is there actionable intelligence? >> roland, when your company is hacked and everything is unravelled inside your company, personal e-mails flying everywhere, financial information flying everywhere, and completely the bottom has been brought out of everything your company stands for and then there are threats, you let me

know how you feel about it. you might want to be careful. >> the fbi and the department of homeland security, to tell any we have no actionable intelligence based on our research and the billion also we spend. >> you have to look at sony, probably wanted to show the film. but the exhibitors, amc, regal, they said no, we're not shocking the film in our theaters. because they have their lawyers and their insurance saying you can't take the risk. >> the movie theater in aurora, colorado, where that horrible shooting took place two summers ago was sued many times over by the families of the victims. so this is a question of liability. >> but the movie sounds like a bad idea. >> it's also a human question. you don't want to put this movie on and have somebody killed -- >> why doesn't sony stream it? >> you know why sony won't stream it? because the cable operators won't do that either. because they're worried about the same thing.

>> about getting hacked. >> post it online. >> are you serious? >> i am total serious. >> apple tv won't do it, tivo won't do it? >> nobody knows how this -- these companies -- >> talking about netflix maybe doing it but i have not heard what netflix has to say about it. >> post it on youtube. >> is this a real threat? it must be or else we wouldn't go to these lengths. take another movie. bradley cooper's movie. surely there are people online who say this glorifies an american killer. i'm sure he's getting threats. so do they shut that movie down? >> isis levels a threat against "the sniper." are we going to cower in the corner for that? this is a first step. it is a slippery slope. and you don't take the first step down the slippery slope. >> still ahead on "morning joe," comedian and actress sherri shepherd is here. >> oh, she's so great. >> i love her. she's got a broadway show, do you know that? >> of course i do. i have been to it four times.

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after the baby's cries interrupted their sleep. that is so mean. the women exchanged harsh words before it escalated into a fist fight. one had her head slammed into the overhead storage bin. >> where is it? is it videoed? >> the plane was met by local police. let me just tell you, i cannot stand it when people are mean about crying babies. it's not like you can control the baby. >> that's the worst. >> you make it worse. the mother gets nervous which makes the baby cry more. >>cy was going to say, i don't love -- like nobody loves having crying babies sitting next to you. you know what, you actually feel sorry for the mom or the dad with the crying baby. and try to help. >> say, can i hold your baby? they say no. >> that's someone who's never had kid, before. if you've been the parent on the other end, all you want is for that baby to be quiet. >> the stress you feel literally makes them cry more. >> be nice to parents that have crying babies. >> you were a baby once too. >> seriously, ask them how you can help out. >> right?

>> and i'm dead serious. >> we used to take our baby, into the lavatory and just sit there with them until they shut up. so there are things you can do on your end. >> mika, you will vouch for me, my kids never cried in public. >> is that right? >> all four never cried in public. >> that was the bourbon. >> i'd give them a little sip of bourbon, little benadryl. i'd just look at them and say, no, this is not going to work. >> the baby whisperer. seriously, all four never did. but that said, i still feel so bad for parents whose kids cry in public. it's terrible. >> nobody wants to be in that spot. "the wall street journal." amazon has rolled out prime now, a quick delivery service where customers can have their orders delivered within an hour. amazon prime subscribers can have their order delivered in two hours for free or pay $7.99 for one-hour delivery. the service is only available in manhattan. but plans to expand to other cities. one-hour delivery. >> you know how they were going

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stereotypes and portrays the sororities negatively. car max says it's no longer advertising on vh1. the first episode was watched by 1.3 million viewers. vh1 says it has no plan, to change. >> i know absolutely nothing about this show. but aren't sororities and fraternities and reality shows all about stereo types? >> no, in this case, what's also unique for african-american sororities and fraternities, our work exists beyond college. look, the incoming attorney general, loretta lynch, is a member of delta sigma pheta. >> hold on, roland. tell us about the show really quickly. what's it do? >> it's a show that showcases members of alpha, sigma gata, and it's just nonsense, and you

talk about, oh, the scholarship and what our sororities mean and sisterhood. it's ratchet tv that denigrates black women again. >> i have no idea. maybe it shouldn't be on the air. but how can, like, 15 minutes ago, you guys defend this movie being shown around this country with somebody being assassinated and you're mad about a reality show? i don't think you're making a lot of sense this morning. >> actually, i am making sense. >> really? >> in this case, a reality show about organizations that actually exist. individuals we are saying -- >> should you would be arbiter? >> goodness, roland, roland, i don't know what's wrong with mika today. she's -- >> an opinion -- >> and the fact -- >> like scrooge. >> -- spending -- >> listen -- >> hold on, mika. >> hold on, hold on. >> -- black women are denigrated -- >> then don't watch it -- >> no, no, it's not a question of don't watch it. not only black women but also the organizations of which

they're members of, we're saying, i'm sorry, that is shameful. and so people are speaking out and should speak out -- >> does anybody think i'm crazy here? roland. >> we have mika -- >> you need to say mika, you have a good point. >> can somebody talk other than you because you're really making roland uncomfortable here. >> oh, i'm fine. no, mika, you're wrong, because as a member of one of those fraternities, would have people like thurgood marshall and martin luther king. i would think when you have individuals denigrating that history and a network that wants to profit off of that, i would say absolutely -- >> sounds like a terrible show. >> so roland though, i mean, dude, dude, i've watched like -- >> i hate the kardashians -- >> good lord, mika, stop it, god. >> the kardashians are very upsetting to me. >> i give up. i've seen "the real world." they're being idiots. go ahead, mika, just talk. good lord, i quit.

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baby, we are almost there. we've got three more days and then we're married. you happy? >> i'm just a little stressed out from this movie. >> you ever think about how different your life would be had you stayed together? >> it just didn't work out. i broke up with him.

yeah. i'm happy where i'm at. >> but you must think about it sometimes. >> every [ bleep ] day. >> that was sherri shepherd. in chris rock's new film "top five." the author, business woman, actress and comedian joins us now. >> hey, mika. >> i have been trying to get you on this show for an eternity. >> now that nicole wallace is at "the view" i can come over here. >> crazy. >> you got to bring joy behar here. >> you're the hard one to get. >> i'm here for you. >> how's your son? >> jeffrey's doing well. he said to me the other day, because i work so much, he said, mommy, i want you to quit and work at dwayne read. i'm like, i don't have enough skills for them to hire me. >> you're in chris rock's new film. how fun was that?

>> it was so much fun working with chris. he's so intensely focused. i'm so excited i got to be a part of the movie. i'm like on the bill board. >> your character seems a little crazy. >> i'm his ex-girlfriend vanessa. i wanted to stick in there with andre, that's his character. i wanted to get married and kids. i broke up with him and then, boom, he made it. >> chris directed this film too. >> chris directed it? because i tried to get a love scene. they wouldn't give me a love scene. >> you know what, they didn't write it for me. i tried to ad-lib it. >> you know who wants a love scene with you? >> who? >> i'm just going to say it. >> i'm sorry. this has been ever since he first met you, his eyes have been googlely. >> who? >> lewis. >> i would love a love scene with you. >> because you had a stalker look. now i know you want to make love. all right. what's your credit like? >> it's pretty good. >> it's pretty good. >> all right, well. you know i'm going through a divorce but you got to sign a

confidentiality agreement. prenup is my middle name. >> just lost control of this. >> you did, girl. >> i saw you, you're so busted -- >> you start talking about making love. >> how's tracy morgan? >> he is working hard towards recovery. he can be cranky sometimes which is a very good sign for tracy. >> okay, because that's the old tracy? >> you know, he's working hard. he definitely is. we keep him in our prayers. >> i want to get your reaction to some of the other stories we have going on today. >> ooh, yes. >> the sony data breach. variety is reporting sony can lose up to $75 million on the shelved film "the interview" including $30 million in marketing costs. in a new interview, george clooney says he is troubled that sony caved in to the hackers an demands. the actor says he tried to get major hollywood figures to sign a letter in support of sony but no one signed because of how scared the industry is. there have been threats on theaters if they show -- >> but george clooney, it's really easy to top george

clooney until they publish your social security security number and have your home address and send threats. these people who have theaters, they're looking at their employees. they're getting threats. >> so where were you at 6:00 this morning when i was talking to joe and roland and they were like, we got to stand up? >> that's really easy. publish all your personal information and say we're going to show up at your house. >> joe is in the control room. he is executive producing this broad. joe, would you like to speak? >> i'm actually just having -- >> nothing coming out of his mouth. that's what i thought. >> stop hating on clooney. >> yeah, i think you guys should stop hating on clooney. >> i'm not hating on clooney. >> it's just easy to talk, you know, when you're not going through it yourself. what -- you try to find the silver lining and i think what is good with all these e-mails, it opens it up and shows the need for diversity within the ranks. >> we did learn a lot. >> absolutely. >> i say george clooney can buy a movie theater and show it. or a production company.

>> exactly, you want to do something like that. if they see my e-mails, if they took all of our e-mails, my career would be over because i write some e-mails. and i'm like, literally, when i was at "the view," i'm like, these people aren't going to raise my blood pressure. i don't want those e-mails to get out. that's what scares me. >> i think you just answered joe's question. what are we supposed to do, cower, and you're saying yes? >> if somebody is saying it's a threat, you have to make wise decisions. >> that could be a "new york times" best-seller. sher sherri's e-mails. >> amy pascal. that picture of her with angelina jolie. it looked like angelina jolie, if you get in my face any closer, i'm going to punch you in the face. amy was like, please, please. >> it's a nightmare. there's news this morning that women in britain's armed forces could be allowed to serve in fro frontline combat roles by 2016. an army review has concluded the change would not have a negative

effect on troop cohesion. but the british ministry of defense says more research is needed to assess the physiological demands of infantry roles before they make a final determination. >> i'm tired of all the excuses. we got to determine. we need a team. if the women want to fight, let them fight. let me get on the front lines after this dog gone divorce. i'll go fight on the front lines. >> i have a feeling you might be effective. running back ray rice made his first public appearance since video surfaced of him punching his then fiance janay palmer in an atlantic city elevator. rice surfaced to host toys for tots christmas charity event in baltimore with a former teammate. and he spoke to the local cbs affiliate at the event. let's listen. >> i made a horrible mistake in my life. but, you know, we truly believe in second chances. they will forgive me. i think all the fans here or the people here really look deep into who i am. it does feel good to be out. and be amongst the baltimore

community and just to give back. >> ooh, sherri, what do you think? >> at some point, ray rice has to resurface. i think this is probably the best way to do it because it's toys for tots, it's a big event. with christmas looming, nobody's going to let what he's done overshadow the event, you know. i would be scared if i was there if he was reaching for an xbox, i'd be like, you better back off, watch it, ray. >> that's terrible. >> but i think you know. what do you want him doing, serving turkeys at the women's shelter? >> he's doing the right thing. >> they all have to do it. i think this is probably a good event. kids will make your patient and compassionate. >> i think at some point they do need to somehow do a domestic violence platform help -- >> i would like some psas, something like that and serve some women, really get in the shelter and help some women. >> news yesterday that san francisco 49ers player, that one of them is without a job now. niners cut defensive end ray mcdonald wednesday after learning about a sexual assault claim. so they're beginning to act

quickly. >> i'm very glad they are. they're getting on it so quickly. >> joe, this is something we've been talking a lot about. it seems like the football organization is now beginning to see that they can't hide this stuff. >> yeah, they really are. ray mcdonald is a topic that we brought up time and time again. we couldn't believe that this guy who had beat up his pregnant wife allegedly was allowed to continue to play in the nfl. bruises all over her. it's taken the nfl a while. but, again, seeing how they respond to adrian peterson, seeing what's happening now, it seems like they're starting to wake up. i actually think that as they get close to the super bowl, maybe they're turning the page. >> okay. i got a story now about excess. i think it's about excess. about -- >> yes, please. >> material excess. north west, daughter of kim kardashian and kanye west, am i doing this right, is going to get some expensive christmas gifts. kanye reportedly spent $74,000

on his 18-month-old's present this year. >> how old is that baby? >> a 62,000 -- you know what, kanye west is one of the producers of my movie "top five" and when i kept asking for money, it's not in the budget. now i see why. wait till i send an e-mail -- i wish my e-mail would get out. on this little -- >> why don't you do like a mass mail to everybody. >> i hope so. hack my e-mail about spending $74,000 -- >> and $12,000 on that black suv. listen, i always wanted one those power wheel suvs you get at fao schwarz. >> you can get one at target for a third of that. i got one for my son. but where do you go from there after you spent $74,000 on an 18-month-old? do you know what you created? now you're creating a little mini monster. and your mama's crazy. >> they're not the only ones. these hedge funders. there's so much excess out there

and these kids are -- >> it's too much. chris rock says the only place you can go is on a stripper pole. where else you go? gees, you spending all that money. >> what? >> he didn't say that about north west. i added that myself. >> i got it. it's ridiculous. what do they get out of it? >> does she even appreciate it? at 18 -- spent $74,000 on me. >> i'm on it. >> sherri, we don't need a tiara or whatever but we do need shoes? >> oh, my gosh, are these steve maddens? oh! this is like the glass slipper right here. >> what size are you? >> i am a 9. >> oh, my god, these could fit. >> i'll make 'em fit, i don't care. >> our next guest has definitely made the most out of his, footwear mogul steve madden joins us next.

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we agree, we're not changing the last, right? do we have all the suede colors here? that shoe in suede. that shoe has got to get into every account. that is a [ bleep ] wrap-up. it's like a mini factory. come up with an idea. we can have it by 2:00 in the afternoon. it starts with the pattern. that pattern maker in there has been with me from the day i opened this business. he's my favorite guy in the whole world. i love him. there's nothing better than

seeing someone wear your shoes. it's the highest compliment. if someone's wearing my shoes, i try not to say anything. i'm usually telling them it's a big thrill. >> did you see all those shoes? >> that was my daily steve madden. it was awesome. his factory is unbelievable. >> you could do a reality show there. joining us now, steve madden. what a place you have. >> it's great to be here. >> do you know sherri? >> sherri, yes, i'm a big fan. >> if i died and went to heaven, i would wake up in your warehouse. >> do you think i could wear -- is it not age appropriate? >> no, it looks great. >> i'm going to make it fit, okay. >> your shoes, what i love about your shoes, steve, is they fit, they make your legs look beautiful and they're affordable. >> they make your legs look beautiful. >> you know what, it's ridiculous, i mean, these are

good prices. they're wonderful prices. and you feel glamorous when you wear them. how do you get inspired? >> mika, walk around for us. >> i like them. you guys work on this interview. i'm out of here. >> and they make your butt look good too, mika. >> oh, thank you, thank you. >> i didn't want to say -- they may hack my e-mail also if i said that. >> you have shoes with crystal heels, different patterns. >> i wish joe was here to see this. >> he's in the control room. >> you guys do the interview. lewis, take it. >> that's what the shoes do to you. >> you started when you were 16 selling shoes. tell me about that. >> i was in high school and i needed a job so i popped into a shoe store in cedar hurst, which is on the south shore of long island. and, you know, you had a couple bumps in the road. you had -- >> just a little bump. >> like what kind of bumps? >> you know, a couple girls wouldn't go out with me on

dates, things like that. no. you know, well, did you see "the wolf of wall street?" >> i did. >> what happened? >> was it accurate, how they portrayed you? >> maybe a little bit accurate. it was a decent film. it's actually reminiscent of all this stuff that's going on. i had to deal with hollywood also. i couldn't hack their e-mails but -- >> and then, you know, you kind of emerged and now you're doing better than ever. $1.3 billion in sales. tell me about that. >> i work with a lot of great people. and people seem to like our shoes. >> this is where kanye should spent $74,000. steve madden shoes. >> i've made shoes with kanye. >> you have this crossover between the sneaker and the heel. >> right. >> tell me about that. >> you know, we do both. we think that flat sneakers can make a woman look hot.

>> okay, you went to jail? >> i know, can you believe that? >> trying to be diplomatic. >> i'm not trying to be diplomatic, i want to know. hold on, let's get joe in here. >> we were talking about we shared hometowns for a while. i was in pensacola and so was steve. he was behind bars. i was on the other side. >> i did spend some time in destin, which is great, beautiful beaches. >> how do you get from being behind bars in jail to where you are today? >> yeah, i want to know. >> with great difficulty. you know, i just seem to make shoes that girls want to buy. and, you know, i made some mistakes as a kid with my childhood friends. as depicted in the film. >> "the wolf of wall street." >> and, you know, did some dumb things. >> how much time did you serve?

>> over two years. >> really? how did that change you? >> you don't take things for granted. little things like food and, you know, good air and -- >> your freedom. >> and love and things like that. >> how immediate -- that transformation, all your freedoms were taken away? were you in shock for quite a while? or did all of a sudden -- >> it's very shocking. and it's very sad. and, you know, there's a lot of people there that you kind of bond with that have made mistakes. you learn the other side of that. you think all guys in prison reason bad guys but they're not. they're people who made mistakes. >> do you have any kind of system where people from prison can get out and maybe work with you? >> that's a good question. we have several guys working with the company, doing great, working in our stores. we even have one fellow who's our district manager in texas.

so sometimes people just need a second chance. >> you really learn about your humanity for sure. and now take us to the highest point in your career at this point. how would you characterize it? >> well, the highest point in my career could be this show. i mean, yesterday, you had a president on the show. i mean, i'm so honored to be here. jimmy carter was on yesterday. or two days ago. and, you know, it's great to be here. but, you know, just making great shoes. seeing my shoes in the street, you know, coming up to 30 roc i see girls wearing my shoes. that's a big thrill for me. >> i have so many of your shoes in my closet as mika. they're so different. not one of my steve madden shoes are alike. you name your shoes. can you get a black name like a tanisha? >> steve madden, it is so great to have you on. fascinating story. wow. much more on "morning joe" straight ahead. we'll be right back. get ready for some german engineered holiday excitement.

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