can start imposing censorship in the united states. >> billboards promoting "the interview" are coming down. >> they made a mistake. >> hackers working for north korea tormenting sony pictures entertainment for weeks. >> we can confirm that north korea engaged in this attack. >> the computer hardware traces back to known computer addresses in north korea. >> imagine what they start doing when they start seeing a documentary they don't like or news reports they don't like. >> sony has cancelled tours of the lot until next year because of security concerns. >> we will respond. >> good to have you with us tonight. we start with major develops in the sony north korea hacking story. today the fbi said it had extensive evidence that north korea organized the cyberattack that infiltrated sony computer systems. the fbi released a statement

saying we are deeply concerned about the destructive nature of this attack on a private sector entity and the ordinary citizens who work there. further north korean's attack on sony affirms that cyberthreats pose one of the greatest national security dangers to the united states. on wednesday, sony decided to pull the premier of "the interview" after hackers threatened movie theaters with 9/11 style attacks. the first question asked was if sony should have cancelled "the interview"'s premier. >> sony's a corporation. it suffered significant damage. there were threats against its employees. i am sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. >> the ceo of sony, michael

lynton said the president and press and public are mistaken as to what happened. we do not own movie theaters and cannot determine whether a movie will be played in theaters. the president said meeting north korea's demands is a slippery slope. >> we cannot have a society in which some dictator some place can start imposing censorship here in the united states. because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of releasing a satirical movie, imagine what they start doing when day start seeing a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like. or even worse, imagine if producers and distributors and others start engaging in self

censorship because they don't want to offend the sensibilities of somebody whose sensibilities probably need to be offended. so that's not who we are. that's not what america's about. >> president obama made clear north korea will face consequences for their actions. >> they cause it a lot of damage. and we will respond. we will respond proportionally. and we'll respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. it's not something i will announce here today at a press conference. >> and president obama had no problem poking fun at the kim jong-un regime. >> i think it says something interesting about north korea that they decided to have the state mount an all-out at all on a movie studio because of a

satirical movie starring seth rogen and james flacco. i love seth and i love james. but the notion that that was a threat to them i think gives you some sense of the kind of regime we're talking about here. >> so in summation, president obama says north korea poses a cyberthreat to americans and the united states will take action but the president thinks that sony made a mistake by cancelling the movie premier. president obama said he would have no problem speaking to sony executives before they made the decision. >> again, i'm sympathetic that sony, as a private company was worried about liabilities and this and that and the other, i wish they had spoke on the me first. i would have told them, do not get into a pattern in which

you're intimidated by these kinds of criminal attacks. imagine if, instead of it being a cyberthreat, someone had broken into their offices and destroyed a bunch of computers and stolen disks and -- is that what it takes for suddenly, for you to pull the plug on something. >> this is where it gets more than interesting. sony ceo michael lynton told cnn he spoke with senior white house officials. okay, sony, i want some names. who did you speak to at the white house and what did you talk about and for how long and why didn't you consult the president of the united states if you thought this was in the nation national security interests. i believe it was not because of national security but for promotional purposes to create anticipation in the public and

make a greater dollar. i find it hard to the believe that the president of the united states wouldn't take a phone call from the ceo of sony. that didn't happen. why didn't they talk to the president? they must have known the impact this was going to have and they did. they know the impact it's going to have on their wallet. tonight's question, do you think sony should have talked to president obama before cancelling the movie? text "a" for yes or "b" for now to 67622. for more let me bring in joe, the president of the plow shares fund and michael kay, former senior british officer and international affairs correspondent. it sure seems to me that it sheds light on the story that the president says they shouldn't have cancel it and they didn't talk to me. michael, your thoughts on this.

does this change the dynamic of the story? >> i don't think it does. we spoke about this last night in how you assess risk. not attaching rhetoric with capability. we spoke about the cia, the fbi, if sony were really worried about this they should have sought advice from the appropriate authorities and there are serious authorities in the u.s. that can deal with these type of cyberattacks. but this is a cyberattack. and if we look at the main culprits in the world who are responsible for cyberattack worldwide, the first one is china. at 41%. and at number two is america at 10%. so we have to not con late in the issue of a cyberattack with other issues. >> don't you think they held the movie for self interests. it had nothing to do with national security. if it did -- remember now, they

claim that 9/11 style attacks were going to take place at theaters. why wasn't -- weren't the people at the highest level of the government consulted on that. >> that's the key question and sony don't there "have the a apparatus to understand that. >> joe, your take on these new developments? >> i don't know why sony pulled the film. but i agree with the president, it was a mistake. and he described why in his press conference today. he was mr. cool about this. look, i don't think we should be making movie that approve of the assassination of national leaders even humorously, but once you made such a film you have to show it. that's a proper thing to do. let's put it online.

or i heard brad sherman on cnbc we should bring it up to capitol hill and have a showing to members of congress. i just saw him in the hall of the studio. he was serious about this. that might be a way to do what the president said don't let a dictator half way around the world tell you what you can see or not see. >> is sony hiding behind the white house right now? they said they spoke with senior white house officials. i want to know who they talked to. the president comes out after apparently his advisers talked to sony and said i wish i would have talked to him. i think that is a key point, joe. >> yeah, well, let's have more information. clearly this story is not going away. and there's more to find out about why the fbi thinks it is north korea. is their evidence clear. >> i would like to know if the white house told them don't

release the movie? they didn't now because the president said they made a mistake. so did the official say you are running a private business and there is no credible threat here? >> there is no indication from the president that conversation happened at all. i doubt he would have made the statement he made today if they were talk to his national security advisers or chief of staff. sony says they pulled it because theater owners refused to show it. and the president said i'm sympathetic but it's not the right thing to do. >> michael? >> when it comes to risk and when it comes to threat levels there is a graduated level of threat that we can. see we can see the threat from syria and isis is a generic threat to most citizens in the u.s. there are higher threat levels which specifically target infrastructure, groups, individuals, organizations, and if sony had received those then

i think there would be every right to have the conversation but it's the options should have been on the table and discussed. >> north korea was into their computers for three weeks before they knew about it. now i'm sure americans were out there thinking what else are they hacking into? are their cybergeeks better than ours? no offense, folks. is this the first cyberattack on america? can this guy get his cyberpeople to get into the pentagon? >> north korea don't even feature in the top ten when it comes to offenders in worldwide cyberattacks. we should be worried about china and we're also culprits of this as well. and i have no doubt that within the cyberspace there will be counter attacks going on in terms of understanding the way this happened. >> joe, what options do you think president obama has? he says that we're going to take action. he's not going to announce it.

they'll deal with it in due time. what are the options? >> this is a very difficult situation. there are no very good options here. can you sanction north korea? maybe a little more. but they are already the most heavily sanctioned country in the world. can you isolate them more? can you attack their computers? that is risky. i don't think you want to get in a cyberwar with them. what we think of as a proportional response to this nene find an unacceptable attack in this and respond in kind. north korea is barely connected to the internet an we invented the internet. we are a computer-dependent society. the answer to this is to beef up your cyberdefenses and put pressure on china to restrain north korea on this. and to stop ignoring north korea or mocking them. neither of those approaches

works. >> we have just received another statement from sony pictures. as it reads, sony pictures entertainment is and always has been strongly committed to the first amendment. for more than three weeks despite brutal intrusions into our company and employees personal lives we maintained our focus on one goal, getting the film, "the interview" released. free expression should not be suppressed by threats and extortion. the decision not to move forward with the release of "the interview" was made as a result of the majority of the nation's theater owners choosing not to screen the film. this was their decision. let us be clear. the only decision that we have made with respect to release of the film was not to release it on christmas day in theaters. after theater owners declined to show it, without theaters we could not release it in theaters

on christmas day. we had no choice. after that decision we immediately began actively surveying alternatives to release the movie on a different platform. it is our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the opportunity to do so. joe, your response to the corporate take there? >> i'm sympathetic to this. if you owned a movie theater would you show this on christmas day? would you go to this movie? so now that you've made that decision and pulled it what are you going to do or how are you going to fix it? there are online options and public screenings you can do in washington. you can perhaps -- it is, as you say, ed, a one-two. one we're going to build up interest and two we're going to release it in january. people have said you could release this online for free and eat the $44 million cost of the movie and answer it that way and people can enjoy in the safety

of their home. >> michael? your reaction? >> i think we now need to look to the future. we need to understand and improve a huge vacuum of communication when it comes to the security of infrastructure. i'd love to know who are the movie theaters taking advice from, what was the communication with sony? what was the communication between sony and the cia and fbi. sony aren't going to go to the president and i want to minimize the collateral and how we deal with something like this in the future. >> thank you very much. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts with us on twitter and like us on facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, president obama directly addressing the right wing critics on cuba. and this year's biggest lie, climate change deniers get their

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commerce, more travel and remittance, cuba has agreed to nothing. this is the kind of deal you get when you send your speech writer to negotiate with a tyrant. >> another conservative made headlines by supporting president obama's decision. rand paul told a west virginia radio station, wvhu, the embargo hasn't worked and opening trade with cuba is probably a good idea. marco rubio fired back as well. >> he has no idea what he is talk about. the embargo is not what is hurting the people, it's the lack of freedom and competent leaders. >> they are all on the wrong side of history, trying to outright each other doesn't make them a better candidates but makes for good entertainment. joining me chris van holland of maryland. you were personally involved in this venture to havana to see

the release of mr. gross. is the president doing the right thing? are the republicans on the wrong side of history here? >> they are totally on the wrong side of history and on the wrong side of all the evidence of the last 54 years because the policy of isolation and trying to punish cuba has been a miserable favorable. the goal was squeeze cuba to get rid of the castro brothers and bring about democracy. isolating cuba has only squeezed the cuban people. the castro brothers have survived eight american presidents and are doing just fine, thank you. the burden is on people like senator rubio to show why five or ten more years of a policy that has failed for the last 54 would get a different result. we all know the definition of

insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. >> it seems that mr. rubio is focused on a bad deal made by the president that we didn't get enough. what's your answer to that? diplomatic relations are the beginning. it's like he has such a revengeful attitude because of history and can't see the light of day in the future. what about the points he is making that the president got nothing. >> he misunderstands the fact that we are not doing a favor to the cuban regime by changing the policy that has helped empower the cuban regime for so long. in other words the policy has not hurt the castro brothers. it has hurt the cuban people. so what the president is saying, let's engage the cuban people, more travel, more trade, more

exchange of ideas and goods. and over time, not tomorrow, but over time that will open up more space for the cuban people. that the current policy has backfired. it may have been well intentioned but it did not achieve the result. so let's try something very different. so this is not doing a favor to the cuban regime. in fact the cuban regime is probably the one taking the greatest risk here. they have been perpetuated and strengthened by the policy. >> i think that is a profound point. if anybody is going to change on this deal it's going to be them, not america. that's how i view it. what's the downside here? >> well, i don't -- this is -- there's not a downside and this is why the president has wanted to pursue this from his very first campaigns when he was running for president. he said, it's good for the

united states to push cuba to open and the way you do that is not through a failed policy of 54 years. the way you do that is through greater exchange, a greater flow of ideas and goods. you know, my friend, congression jim mcgovern from massachusetts who has done a lot to change the policy in cuba. the two words that the castro brothers most fear is spring break. meaning american college students coming down to cuba and opening up cuba. because the reality is that, ed, as we've seen, by trying to build a wall, it's allowed the castro brothers to hide. because what they -- they use it as an excuse. they say the yankee threat requires us to take emergency measures. we have to clamp down on freedom of the press and human rights to protect ourselves from the yankees. they won't have that excuse any

more. >> let's talk about the next session of congress. what is going position going to be with the democratic leadership team? is there going to be a vote for the position that steny hoyer holds right now? what's happening there? >> we have our leadership team in place. we did those elections right after the general election. >> there will be no change and that's not going to be challenged at all? >> no. but i will continue to serve as the senior member on the budget committee and i believe the budget will present the democrats with a real opportunity to show the contrast between our approach to try and empower the american people from the bottom up and a review of the -- a repeat of the trickle down approach that the republicans have. and you're going to see in the coming weeks, ed, a number of proposals that a number of us are going to put forward to try to deal with this whole issue of

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>> energy security is real. global warming is not. it is merely a strategy designed to give more power to the executive branch. >> global warming is not taking place. it's laughable with all the records. >> the problem with climate change is there is not a day in the history of the world where the climate is not change. >> joining me is paul douglas and michael bruin, executive director of the sierra club. let's start with you, paul. how outrageous are the sound bites or are they correct? >> no, they are incorrect. who was it, upton sinclair who said that -- how do i paraphrase this? it's hard to get a man to accept something when his salary depends on him not accepting something. the thing i keep hearing is that the cure is worse than the disease. and from everything i understand, even senator inhoff

at one point acknowledged the reality of climate change until someone told him how much it would cost. i'm an entrepreneur and believe in the power of markets and innovation and i believe the same country that sent men to the moon, split the atom, cured polio can find a way to keep the power on without polluting. but it needs to be market based and we don't have a free market. we have privatized profits and we've socialized costs. for the market to come up with the innovations we need, the thousands of new companies that will create true energy independence in our lifetime and our kids' lifetime we need to put a signal in the market. there needs to be a price on carbon. you can't pollute with impunity in this country. you cannot dump toxic chemicals

in a lake or river but that's what we're doing with the atmosphere and it's coming back to bite us. and it's biting us with the weather. and 97% -- 97% of voters under the age of 35 acknowledge climate change. at some point this becomes an x exexsense circumstantial risk for the republicans. >> what do you make of the demographic breakdown? are younger people smarter or what? it seems it's the lie of the year. the statements made by republicans are simply not true. they are in denial of the facts. why do younger people get it? >> i think young people get it in part because they are less than kind to delusion when it comes to politics. they are looking for s authenticity. they want people to just talk straight and be adults and talk to them like they're adults but

young people are excited about what clean energy can do for the future. what paul was just saying is true. and if you look at the sound bites if you measure the cost of clean energy from then until today, solar as dropped in cost by 70%. wind has dropped by 50% in the last five years. young people see a future where our economy is based on clean energy to create more jobs and improve our health and cut carbon and increase prosperity for them and working americans. every time they hear something say climate change isn't real there is no reason for them to support people like that. >> what about the next two years? if all these deniers are in control we're going to lose two years of progress on doing something about climate change. what do you make of that? >> but you're also going to alienate the base too. at some point voters, especially younger voters are going to

vote. and they're going to vote for the party that still believes in a place for science and data and facts. but i want to point out, ed, something i think you know. not all republicans are science deniers. some of us acknowledge the world as it is not the world we think should be. and there are solutions out there. there are market-based collusions. the best don't come top down but bottom up and step one is acknowledging we have a problem and figure out economy-empowering ways of growing new energy alternatives that don't necessarily make the federal government bigger, but solve the actual problems that we're going to be faced with. >> one of the things that the president talked about at his conference today was at the keystone pipeline. let's take a listen. >> i want to make sure that if

in fact this project goes forward that it's not adding to the problem of climate change. which i think is very serious and does impose serious costs on the american people. >> he talked at length about keystone. it sounds like the president is going to veto it. >> it does. we have been confident that the president is going to reject the pipeline. he knows you can't create a clean energy economy and make progress on fighting climate change and approve a pipeline to take oil from the dirtiest fuel source in the planet and send it all the way through our country to other countries. i wanted to say we're going to make great progress over the next couple years, not everything that matters happens inside the beltway. in states across the country there will be dramatic progress in replacing coal with clean energy. replacing fracking with clean batteries and clean energy.

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and finally tonight, new details are emerging from the controversy surrounding entertainer bill cosby. his lawyers are trying to clarify remark cosby made about black press. this comes amid allegations from a new woman says cosby drugged her in 1978. stephanie gosk has more. >> bill cosby fighting back, against allegations he asked black media reporters and outlets for prenchial treatment. >> on thursday, cosby's lawyer released a saying in part, to the contrary, he asked that they ood here to journalistic standards and approach the story in a neutral manner, without a predisposition on either side of the story. last week, facing mounting allegations from some 20 women who say the actor sexually assaulted and/or drugged them.

cosby broke his silence, it willing reporter stacy brown, the african american media should be impartial. >> i only peexpect our black mea to uphold the standards of excellent journalism and when you do that, you go in with a neutral mind. >> cosby's lawyers have vehemently denied the allegations. he's never been charged and just this week, both his wife and daughter issued public statements of support. >> the very kind of man who would rape women allegedly is the same man who would rape an entire black community. >> cosby called those comments mean spirited and reckless. in a statement to nbc news, micha micha michael eric dyson said, i do not wish my words to distract from the larger issue.

mr. cosby's hurtful and unjust views of black america, and serious allegations with mr. cosby's sexual misconduct. i pledge to keep the focus on the matters at hand with the professional respect that mr. cosby and all others are due. >> meanwhile, a new allegation from a woman accusing cosby of drugging her in 1988. the woman who identifies herself as lisa, appeared on dr. phil in an interview set to air today. she said she was 21 when she met cosby who offered to help her with her career. >> you don't really know what happened. do you know if he raped you? do you know if he molested you in some way? you don't really know what did happen? >> no. >> joining us tonight, dr. michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor joining us exclusively here on "the ed show." doctor, there's no doubt that bill cosby apparently has some expectations of the black media

in america. what are your thoughts on that, that he would in a sense call out and expect something of the black media, at least that's the way i took it. >> let me defend mr. cosby first. he said that he was told that he was being called specifically from a black media outlet, so it would make sense that he would say, look, this is what i expect of the black media. i can understand he would then go on to say, this is what i want the black media to do. so let me defend him on that premise. however, beyond that, i think the black media has failed miserably in the past. let me point the finger at all of the journalists who for the last ten years when mr. cosby was engaging and i think very unfair, unprincipled, vicious assaults on black people, especially black women, they came to his defense, calling it organic conservative belief within black america. columnists saying he was finally

telling the truth, that could not be heralded from other pull pits in america, that he alone was the person who was rising up to give us insight that was repackaged stereotypes and sexist tirades against vulnerable poor black women. so i think the black media has been miserable in its obligation to take these charges seriously. and also, mr. cosby's views about black america more broadly. >> do you think that bill cosby has within doing the black community and america a disservice for years? >> i think he has. as a comedian, he's a jennious, one of the best, along with richard pryor and renney bruce and george karlin. there's no question that his insight as an american entertainer has been extraordinary and his pioneering career. however, that doesn't translate into the social analysis realm.

he's used his enormous wealth and his philanthropy to, i think, undermine and sub vert the very practices of decency and respect to ordinary black people. he's used his bully pulpit to rain down thunder upon them. we were all gathered in new orleans after katrina and reverend jesse jackson and reverend al sharpton and i were leading a march. and we spoke. mr. cosby spoke as well. the rest of us were saying, let's defend these people who were dispersed. mr. cosby said, you were messed up before the storm came. you were having murders before the storm came. you were having babies out of wed lock before the storm came. he got a roll of attacking defenseless people. that kind of thing is not helpful. it reinforces racist stereotypes about black people. it doesn't shed light on the structural inequalities that prevail and it allows him to get

off on poor people in america, a sport that is defenseless, and we have to hold him to account and be as vigorously critical as one can imagine. >> what has been your relationship with mr. cosby over the years, doctor? >> look, after my book appeared, is bill cosby right, or has the black middle class lost his mind? predictably mr. cosby did not feel well. i saw him in a restaurant one night. long story short, he gave me the finger. the next morning, we were on a train together from new york to philadelphia, he apologized to me and then we had a vigorous conversation. i invited him on to my radio show. he said, i will not come on your show until you are enlightened and see the truth. i think there's an arrogance about him that believes his way is the only way. and unfortunately, we weren't able to resolve our differences in terms of an amicable conversation, but certainly we've tried to prosecute our differences the best way we know how. >> what would you tell him today? what would your counsel to him

be? >> i would say, first of all, that i hope you would reconsider the position you're in now, that others have felt this way for ten years, that is to say, attacked unfairly, unjustly assaulted, and therefore use your particular predicament now. you have the presumption of innocence until guilt is proved. you are owed not to be hung by a jury in the court of public opinion. but at the same time, you are responsible as a celebrity and a figure who is a public person, to own up to discussions about issued that have been brought before us. so he's right about the media. nobody should rush to judge him. but at the same time, i think when we consider the evidence that is weighing against him, any fair-minded person would have to say, are 20 to 25 women wrong? the same thing happened in the catholic church when the accusations began to mount up. again, there's no judgment.

we assume he's innocent until proven guilty. i would say to him, own up, tell the truth, talk about black america, talk about your ideas about us and at the same time, be honest about your situation. >> good to have you with us tonight here on "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in tonight. breaking news from barack obama final press conference of the year. he spent 50 minutes fielding questions, talked about the economic recovery, foreign policy changes with cuba and working or not working with the future republican congress. but he also confirmed, north korea is behind the sony hacking attack. he vowed the u.s. will respond and we saw a