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long to cuban president raul castro. >> i delivered a fairly lengthy statement at the front end about how we're looking forward to a new future in the relationship between our two countries, but that we are going to continue to press on issues of democracy and human rights, which we think are important. >> there were some awkward jokes. at the end of my remarks i apologized for taking, you know, such a long time. i wanted to make sure before we engaged in the conversation that we -- he was very clear about where i stood. he said don't worry about it, mr. president. you're still a young man. and you still have a chance to break fidel's record. he once spoke seven hours straight. >> and then more awkward jokes. >> and then president castro proceeded to deliver his own

preliminary remarks that lasted at least twice as long as mine. and then i was able to say obviously it runs in the family. what is so remarkable about this conversation is it was the first time in more than 50 years the leaders of the united states and cuba have spoken directly to each other. more than 50 years since he overthrew a government backed by the united states. since castro declared it a soviet state. since the u.s. broke off diplomatic ties that impose a trade embargo that exists until this day. but the history of cuba in the united states goes back further. let's start more than 100 years ago. 1898 when the united states helped cuba throw off spanish colonial rule and what we know as the spanish american war. remember teddy roosevelt and the rough riders? that was this war. we set up shop as an occupying force. after five years the u.s. gave

up the independence, but with a catch. it allowed the u.s. to intervene militarily in cuba at any time and interfere it did several times after a rebellion against the cuban government in 1906 and then in 1912 and in 1917 to protect sugar plantations from insurgen insurgents. for decades the u.s. supported governments friendly to its interests. his regime was corrupt and brutal. and he took a gambling industry dominated by the american mafia. and the leader of general strikes against his regime. when fidel castro took power in 1999, he was able to portray himself as fighting against the united states as much as he was

fighting batista. to some castro was america's fault. here's john f. kennedy in 1960. >> it was ineffective. we were never on the side of freedom. we never used our influence. today cuba is lost to freedom. >> since then the american government tried to turn cuba friendly by attempting to assassinate castro. by training to invade the bay of pigs and more recently, by trying to get up rising on the island. now after 50 years we're seeing president obama call for a different approach. but what i know deep in my bones is that if you've done the same thing for 50 years and nothing has changed you should try something different if you want a different outcome. and this gives us an opportunity

for a different outcome. suddenly cuba is open to the world in ways it has not been before. >> joining ne now from havana, cuba, is nbc news correspondent jac jacob rascon. what has been the shift there? >> reporter: it's very interesting. unlike in the united states, there is no real controversy here. they don't really want to talk about the political consequences of what's happening. some are afraid to talk, in fact, on camera about that in fear of retaliation there. what thaw do care about is how the changes will affect their day-to-day lives. and in general the people we talk to from all levels of society are optimistic this is a step in the right direction. they're optimistic more tourism, more clients for the taxis. they may change and get a better phone. they may get better food or parts for their cars.

if you've ever been to cuba, the cars are so old, from prerevolution times. a lot of car makers have to go to great lengths the to get their car parts. they're very excited about the possibility of getting them directly from the united states. another thing people are talking about is baseball and ballet. they're very ambitious here in their baseball and ballet. some of the players and ballerinas end up going to the united states, but because of u.s. sanctions they have to defect to do that. there's optimism that could change. and then there's talk of family relationships and now normalized cuba relationships mean normalized relationships between family members here and some 2 million cuban americans in the united states. they're also excited about that. >> thank you to nbc's jacob rascone in havana, cuba. i want to bring in my panel today. charlie, the executive director

of the ground truth project. lisa cook, associate professor of economics and international relations at michigan state university. and john gutierrez, assistant professor of latin american studies at john jay college of criminal justice. so i want each of you to respond to this question. what does opening our relationship to cuba, opening relations between cuba and the united states, how will it affect every day cuban people? >> i think that still remains to be seen to what degree the cuban government is going to allow the kinds of increased travel, but i think definitely just like was said on the video, it's going to have a huge impact on ordinary cubans. it will build on the changes already in place. >> i'm going to come to you actually, since -- >> now i'm worried.

>> no, no, because you are cuban right. you have the family history. how do you think? >> i have to agree. it's unclear right now. i think the big question mark here really is the cuban government. as americans i think we have a bad habit of thinking our mere presence or involvement in something will make it better. and what we have in cuba is a government that has made very modest reforms. reforms on the economic front that have yielded very little. and so the question that we as cuban americans have and all americans should have is how prepared is the government of raul castro to make fundamental changes in the cuban economy? and there's no amount of american policy changing, cl it's the tinkering that we have seen with president obama this week or a fundamental

invalidation of the embargo that is going to make a change in cuba if the cuban government does not say we are going in a different path. that hasn't happened yet. >> so to john's point, what might this mean for increased economic opportunities for more freedom of speech and association, and what does the the castro government have to do? >> so i think the biggest implications will be economic. and i think there are three realms in which we should be looking at this. one is the long-term implications. so the cuban government says it needs 2 to $2.5 billion a year to develop. how is that going to happen? they passed a law earlier this year to allow more foreign investment. there are 200 joint venture companies in cuban america right now. this is down from 400 in 2002. so they have seen this economic decline. so this is just a trend that's continuing and trying to open up

cuba a little bit more. the second thing is the effect on small businesses. a lot of these remittances have gone to small businesses. not just to families. and their share is growing in the economy. these are not government owned. and so now rather than being able to send $500 per quarter, they can send $2,000. that's going to be a bipg difference for small business. that's the root for democracy to evolve to the extent that it can. >> i think ultimately there will be business opportunities. but it's going to take a while. this is not going to happen overnight. and in the short term i'm interested in the economic openings that will happen for historians and others to understand the country. it's been a black box for us, for journalists to get in there, to talk about my profession. we need to be in there you have to be there physically to really talk to people and to open up. your correspondent is doing a

great job trying to get on the ground. you can hear him say in a very frustrated way, no one wants to talk about the political ramifications because they don't trust it yet. >> and i think that's happening to a certain extent. from the economic point of view. and this might be the easiest part. it might be the easier part in comparison to politics. the other development banks have been sending economists there for a long time. we have more economic information. >> that's right. that's right. that's right. >> you went there as a graduate student initially. >> to put away the question. i think there's a lot of interest in how can we get in there? how can we open it up for business sfl the market has been slowly opening. there have been negative effects of that. there has been growing inequalities that happen. particularly on the race lines. so i think rather than just sort

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there's one group quite happy about the fall in u.s.-cuba relations, american corporations. corporations like heavy equipment maker caterpillar which said, quote, the reopening of diplomatic relations between the u.s. and cuba is a welcome development, a move which caterpillar has been a long standing opponent. caterpillar of course makes construction equipment that will be useful if cuba were to say

upgrade its infrastructure, equipment cuba referred to as the necessary goods to modernize. credit cards are happy they can travel to cuba to use their credit and debit cards. car companies joined in. general motors said we're very encouraged by the kmebts today. we'll certainly evaluate any opportunities that may present themselves. new new cars have been driven since 1960. and hospitality companies are expressing their enthusiasm. the hotel chain mar yacht where former republican presidential candidate mitt romney who has been critical of the new diplomatic effort serves on the board of directors. he said, quote, we are very excited for the people of cuba and the opportunity in jobs created when the relations with the u.s. opens up. especially travel and tourism. we look forward to opening hotels in cuban.

let me come to you first here. is this a win for american capitalism? >> big time. i'm at michigan state university. of course. the big three are saying oh my goodness. the average age of those cars on the road is about 50 years. and the average american car is 11 years. >> yeah. the trade. they can be at the international trade shows. all the auto shows. it's not just marriott and the others. it's also mining companies. it's coca-cola. it's across the spectrum. cruise ship companies. i think there are openings. by some of them will be displaced economic activity. there are other firms already there. they are french. they are european. they are canadian. they are latin american. the question is whether you can get growth going. >> at this point, what has to happen on the cuban side for the

economy to be able to grow and develop? >> i think the first thing would be to get away from the idea that the government should own all the means of production. but let's be honest here, right. when we look at the cuban economy, the single most important conglomerate that you have in cuba is run by the cuban military. so there is a a military elite in cuba that manages the economy. and they are doing a terrible job. so it seems to me the first thing they should do is free up the opportunity for cubans to own land. the cuban government decideded a couple of years ago to allow cuban farmers to work land and essentially sharecrop. >> sharecropping. >> and agriculture yields have never met their targets. the reason for this is pretty simple. the contracts they have are for about ten years. after ten years the government of cuba can say to the farmers

we want the land back. i don't know about anybody here at the table, but i'm not sure i would make an investment in land if i can't own it. it seems like a crazy -- like an amazing risk on the par of cure bans to take with a government that has a history of opening up reform and turning around and saying we've had enough reform. >> just to flip it around and say what about the risk to the cuban people to open up to corporate america again and expose themselveses to capitalism that hurt their country so badly under batisita. trust on the two sides. it's going to come from what we were discussing before. there's a lot these two countries need to learn about each other. a business sector that i think is going to be a strategic win will be technology. >> so telecommunications and a key part of what the president

announced was allowing telecommunications companies to come in. what we already know is only 5% of cubans have access to the internet currently. what will this mean. >> you can see. so excited. we can get in there. we can change the infrastructure. we can completely redo it. they have an antiquated internet system. firstly, cubans are a little bit nervous about this after the sort of revelations of the nsa spying on citizens and snowden's revelations, people in cuba are not entirely thrilled about them coming in and setting up their infrastructure. so there are concerns on that level. it is true that before access was limited. but cubans have something that is the weekly packet for which cubans from havana all the way to the mountains of guantanamo get material from the internet downloaded and there's a whole

system for providing the internet that way. just like i agree with what you're saying, there are different ideas about what internet freedoms mean. different ideas about what sharing information means and before people rush in, we have to stop and think and learn about these. >> no one knows the tyranny like cubans for controlling their information. they've been taught to fear us just as we have been taught to fear their system. this is a chance to really learn about each other. ft. >> well said. don't go away. up next, florida, florida, florida. you can get out of the c-max hybrid. it's about how much life you can fit into it. ♪ the ford c-max hybrid. with an epa-estimated range of 540 miles on a tank of gas. and all the room you need to enjoy the trip. go stretch out. go further.

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the political assumption for years has been this, if you want to win the presidency, you have to win florida. and if you want to win florida, you have to win over the cuban immigrants and cuban americans in south florida, a block long opposed to the regime of fidel castro. in other words, a strong a anti-castro policy. improving diplomatic relations has been deemed an essential

tenant for presidential hopefuls. so what's different now? joining me is adam smith, political director of tampa bay news. what is different now politically that the president feels he can do this? >> well, it's totally different. it may be the case if you want to be mayor of miami, but not if you want to win statewide in florida. the younger generations of cubans, cuban american who were born here as opposeded to cuba, they overwhelmly support this move. >> and this shows support going down over time. especially from the early '90s. this is a florida international university poll. what does this mean for the 2016 republican primary in florida? >> i think in a republican primary, the cuban american exiles have so much clout, fund

raising and political clout, that it's very risky. it's a different ball game in the general election. we just had charlie crist, the democratic nominee for governor, he was about to travel to cuba during the campaign. he barely lost in a republican wave. he lost by one 1% point. it's nowhere near the issue it used to be. >> aparnltly this is partly hillary clinton's doing as secretary of state. she was in some ways the architect of this change in position with cuba. does this help or hurt her in 2016? >> i think a lot of it if depends on cuban american fund-raisers for clinton. i think it's important to realize here that there are prominent cuban american business people in this country who are looking for a change in policy.

the cuban study group that has a number of leading cuban business people, has been calling for change in u.s. policy now for years. so i think that for them, and this includes people like one of the most prominent cuban american families that we have in the country. these people i think will be fine walking a line that says i can be both anti-castro and anti-embargo. and for some ways that's going to be the new normal. getting accustomed to the fact that we have relationships with cuba, but that doesn't mean we embrace the regime. that poll said something. people don't talk about this. but they ask cuban americans, do you think things will change in cuba? it was remarkable. the plurality said things will never change. there's a resignation to this

government. >> canada you know a lot about cuban culture and race in cuba and our image in the state of cuba. where do black cubans fit into the discussion? >> well, i think for quite a few years there have been cuban groups on the island raising claims of and that did create a lot of opportunities for black cuban you haves to improve their economic status in society. still there are differentials. and what the groups have been doing is making the cubans as a group visible and talking about racial discrimination. that's going to be crucial when the changes happen. one thing that will have to happen. there will have to be affirmative action. this is one of the things that groups on the island are pushing for now. to say we cannot have this further increase the gaps between white and black cubans.

we have to have greater investment in housing, where the the african population is more concentrated. there need to be jobs created. and i think that's going to be key in the transition. >> adam, let me get you back in here and ask you question about the fight between senators rand paul and marco rubio. rand paul attacked rubio on twitter. he's acting like an isolationist. i reject this this isolationism. and we have rubio responding. what diz this mean? is is this a preview of what's to come? >> i think so. i think it's kind of a tough issue for marco rubio. it's no surprise he would take this hard line that is his position. it's tough enough if he's competing with jeb bush who takes all of the the oxygen out of the air in florida politics. but he wants to kors himself as

the younger enjettic future oriented candidate. it's hard to square that with mb so set on the same policy we've been trying for 50 years. >> i saw you wanted to get in on that. >> between hillary clinton taking credit for this and the marco rubio rand faull fight? >> i think president goes into his vi kags very strong. he's had a tough couple of years. if set up against someone like roeb you, i think rooeb owe is going to lose on that one. obama sees a lot of room to gain with young hispanic americans. and this is a confident, bold strike by a strike by a president who has been distracted and not convincing on foreign policy. now he's taking steps that are convincing,that are bold. and this isn't the only one. there's also china and immigration. i think going strongly forward

with his own policies. u sort of liberated by the loss of the democrats, liberating him to do what he set out to do, to be la little bit more bold. >> great, thank you very very much to our guests. charlie and lisa are sticking around. still to come this morning, president obama, north korea and sony all at odds.

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the fbi has concluded the north korean government responsible for the cyber attack on sony pictures. the investigators found similarity in code and encryption algorrhythm ls. the fbi says we are deeply concerned about the destructive nature of the attack on a private sector entity and the ordinary citizens who live there. further, north korea's attack on sony pictures entertainment reaffirms cyber threats pose one of the greatest security dangers to the united states. this morning north korea responded, insisting it was not behind the hack, and is seeking to join the investigation to identify the hackers. friday president obama said there will be a proportional

response. he also said sony made a mistake in canceling the release of the film "the interview." >> i wish they had spoken to me first. i would have told them do not get into a pattern in which you're intimidated by these kinds of criminal attacks. >> it didn't take long for sony to fire back. sony pictures entertainment released a statement that reads in part, let us be clear. the only decision we have made with respect to the release of the film m was not to release it on christmas day in theaters after the theater owners declined to show it. after that decision we immediately began actively surveying alternatives to release the movie on a different platform. it's still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the opportunity to do so. news of the attack first broke last month when hackers stole and then released confidential

documents in four unreleased sony movies. it exposed gossips and a staggering pay gap. one revealed jennifer lawrence's compensation deal for "american hustle" and she was set to make less than her costars. the cyber attack was an attempt to derail "the interview", which depicts a fictional attempt to assassinate north korean leader j kim jong-un. >> the cia would love it if you two could take him out. >> hmm? like for drinks? >> take out. >> like to dinner. >> to a meal? >> like on the town. >> party? >> no, take him out. >> you quantity want us to assa the leader of north korea? >> the week the film's release was canceled after they

threatened movie theaters. some actors called it disgraceful, cowardly and a threat to freedom of expression. george clooney and his agent circulated a petition to push back against the hackers. clooney wants "the interview" released somehow. even if only online. he told deadline hollywood no one would sign his petition. the relationship between the u.s. and north korea is one of the lowest points since the korean conflict. the obama administration has been unable to have serious dialogue or any dialogue with north korean leadership. they had secret talks in 2012, making two trips which ultima ultimately failed. north korea admitted to operating a senior nuclear weapons program, violating the 1994 agreement with the united states. meantime, experts say kim jong-un is ruling by fear and severe punishment for dissent. according to human rights watch,

a united nations commission of inquiry founded in february, quote, the north korean government committed system rights abuses that the u.n. described as being without parallel in the contemporary world. abuses included extermination, murder, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence. today 80 to 120,000 north koreans are living in political prison camps. only the elite can communicate with the outside world via the internet. north korea is already one of the world's most sanctioned countries. this leads to what kind of response would have any effect on the extremely isolated country. joining me now, executive director of the ground truth project. and lisa cook, associate professor of economic and international relations at michigan state university. okay, panel. so what are the options here,

and what would be a response? >> first of all, i'm not so sure we should have a proportional response. what we should have is an effective response, which may be proportional. maybe not. there will be escalation. people want a proportional response don't want escalation. there will be escalation no matter what we do. even if we do nothing, irt could be worse. clearly at this point we're not in a got situation. but there are a lot of things we can do and we're not sanctioned out. we could put in place the sanctions that the bush administration imposed in 2005, which were very, very effective. we took those off. we should be enforcing security council resolutions on ballistic missile and nuclear weapon sales and we should be calling out china. china was very much involved in these attacks. >> so this is not just a situation where it's an attack on a corporation like sony. this is an attack on what we believe in as a country. this is an attack on freedom of expression. one of the great weapons in responding to this is going to be how we handle the messaging.

in that instance, the chief executive of sony blinkeded in that confrontation. and i think we need to have not only a government response, you need an industry response that is bold and confident and says we believe in freedom of expression. maybe we won't put the movie out on christmas day. we're not going to let you ruin our christmas. we're not going to put this online. i think president obama is being really strong on this, confident. i think he's right to criticize sony for doing it. i think sony missed an opportunity to manage a message. i take their point that they don't own the theaters, but clearly the chief executive could have been stronger and been part of the battle against this tyranny. >> so i want to play sound from the president and come back to something gordon just said. i'm sorry, it's from the sony executive and then come back to something gordon just said. >> we have not given in. we have persevered and we have not backed down.

we have always had every desire to have the american public see the movie. so this is an exclusive scene and interview with sony heads saying they clearly had not caved or clearly to him. now you mentioned something about china. that seems unclear at this point of their involvement. but if sony does go through with the film's release, what effect would it have? >> basically the north koreans will go after sony. they're not interested or that concerned. north korean citizens aren't going to go to omaha and watch this. they are concerned about south korean activists taking dvds, putting them in balloons, which separates the two koreas. so this is not just a question of what we see in the the u.s. this is a question of what north korean citizens can see. so anything that sony does now is going to cause it problems.

but it's not sony's fall. it's the united states government that has really failed in this for decades. and that's why sony was in an impossible situation. so yes, they caved. but we can understand. that's what every ceo would do. >> let me get you in on this. >> and i would take a slightly different view. i don't think from my time in the white house, i think that sony missed an opportunity. missed the message and was not in touch with the white house. it's not that you need everything screened. but if a country comes to you and makes a threat, the first thing you should do is either call the white house or congressman or something to verify the validity or that threat. i think they missed the ball on this. what i read this morning -- >> they might have been a little bit uncomfortable approaching the white house. >> right. right. >> not the first attack on sony. they've been attacked over the years. >> that's right. it cost them $70 million before. judy smith has been engaged.

judy smith, who is the source, the motivation for scandal, has been engaged by sony. they should have done that before. this is crazy. there should not be sony standing up for free speech for everybody, but it shouldn't cave as it did, as the president said. i think that there was not enough communication. i think we don't have all the information. and when i was at the white house, many many companies were coming to us in confidence, of course, to ask us to help with a potential bridge or, you know, a breach that had clearly happened. and i think that there is more communication than sony. and i'm saying the white house. but i'm sure there are other parts of government that would have been engaged. i think there is more that could have been done. >> don't go anywhere. much more on this. up next, the world of cyber in security. don't go anywhere. agen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature,

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we cannot have a society in which a dictator some place can impose censorship in the united states. >> friday president obama addressed the sony hack his year end remarks. he did not go into details, but he promised a proportionate strike back against korea. joining us us now from washington, d.c., tara, let me ask you first, how can lack of legal infrastructure affect the u.s. response? and what i mean by this is we know that sony canceled the film release. how can the actions of a private corporation impact government credibility? >> absolutely. in this case we're seeing the action of of sony impacting u.s. credibility. sony's decision not to release the film because of the

theater's decisions not to show the film has put the united states in a position that's unprecedented. particularly in the realm of cyber security. we don't really have clear, what you would call red lines in the cyber security realm, in terms of what constitutes an act of terrorism. what constituted an act of cyber hacking. what constitutes an act of war in the realm of cyber. so president obama, you know, talked about proportionate response. but we don't actually know what that looks like, although there's a lot of options on the table. >> i know you were thinking about what u.s. government should be able to do better. is it the state department or other agencies? what should be happening now? >> how we respond to a cyber attack is something we've been able to think through for years. this is the first time we've heard the president say openly he's going to do proportionate response to the cyber attack. one thing that should be considered in the response is how do you take the opportunity to get corporate america to work with the united states governme

government, with the state department on figuring out how to protect data? how do you take this opportunity as an initiative, a sort of call to action, where you say we have an opportunity to work with the private sector to come up with much better ways to protect our freedom of expression by having more secure systems. we're hearing a lot of beating up on sony. that criticism may be we deserved. i would like to see the conversation shift and look at public/private initiatives. government and the private sector working together so attacks like this can't happen. we're less vulnerable to these attacks. >> in what cays is the changing security climate unpredictable? and is what charlie says the path forward? >> i agree with everything charlie said. at the end of the day, you still need policies in place by the u.s. government. i'm not saying they haven't been doing this. they are crafting these. we're at a new era of security. if there are vulnerabilities and something were to happen, what

is the response? we have a state sponsorship of terrorism list. we don't have the equivalent of a cyber attack. is that included in terms of the sanctions that go into efgt with these sorts of activities? there's no really articulated ramifications in the cyber realm m. at least on paper. theoretically there may be. we're seeing that in the muddleded response language. i'm not sure there is a clear way to respond. there are options. there are banking sanctions that can be placed on north korea. they already have sanctions on them. there's cyber retaliation, which the the united states can opt for and very well may do. it bhigt be behind the scenes. there's international pressure that can be brought to the table through the u.s. security council. >> there are a lot of pressures the government can bring to bear. the most effective will come from the the private sector because that's where the real knowledge will be to pry to protect the security of the internet and resist these kinds of attacks. >> but i think that's already going on.

that's the privilege of having been at the treasury department and at the white house. there are these conversations all the time. i saw eric schmitt at the white house in washington much more than a lot of lawmakers. so i think these conversations are happening. and the problem is that given the nature of the problem there's not a lot of public view. and there shouldn't be. >> there might be a lot of conversations and a lot of things may be going on behind the scenes. but they talked about the loss of property by american companies and tagged it at $475 billion a year. of course, it could be less. but even if we're talking a quarter of that amount, there is so much in the way of damage to the crown jewels of the united states, which is our i.p. >> yeah. >> and this has been going on not just a couple of years. this has been going on decades. >> in terms of loss of i.p.,

canada is the biggest violator. we are now attacking canada. >> i know tara has something to say on this. no one at this table said this is a success by the u.s. to identify north korea as the potential attacker of the hacks. tara, is that true? >> well, sorry, if north korea has been attributed to north korea. >> attributed, right. >> you all at the the table raise a good point. but you're talking intellectual property theft. there's a lot of other areas it can be connected to. they can be carried out in the cyber realm. that's the area in terms of u.s. policy that i think is unclear and we saw the gray area manifest. there was no fizz twal kak here. and the question remains for deterrence to other groups, what would the u.s. response look like? i was in beijing last summer. working with chinese will be critical in terms of u.s./china cyber relations but also the role the chinese have to play

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robinson, a george mason criminology professor. that announcement came at a week with a stark reminder from cleveland, ohio, of how far the relationships still have to go and how police unions factor in. in police custody, died just a few hours later on november 13th. and 12-year-old tamir rice, who was in possession of pellet gone was shot and killed by a police officer on november 22nd. activists from ferguson have joined the rice and anderson families in cleveland for a weekend of resistance, which began with a rally this morning at the recreation center near where tamir was fatally shot. one protest last weekend at cleveland's nfl stadium wrinkled the head of the city's police union. cleveland browns wide receiver andrew hawkins wore a shirt over his jersey, noting two recent

shootings of black males. it read justice for tamir rice, and john crawford iii, the latter being shot by police officer in a walmart. anger was voiced later that day saying he's as athlete. he's someone with no facts of the case. he's disrespecting the police on the job we had to do and make a split second decision. it's pathetic when athletes think they know the law. they should stick to what they know best on the field. they protect and serve the brown stadium and the browns organization owes us an apology. the cleveland police did not get an apology from the browns or hawkins himself. they delivered this response on monday. >> a call for justice shouldn't warrant an apology. as you all know and it's well documented i have a 2-year-old little boy. that little boy is my entire world. and the number one reason for me

wearing the t-shirt was the thought of what happened to tamir rice happening to my little austin, scares the living hell out of me. >> he made his voice heard on msnbc's all in with chris hayes later that day, defending the officers involveded in tamir's shooting. >> you know, there's a video of this, and everything speaks for itself. their action, the male's action spoke for itself. the video clearly showed and by the officer's statement, they were justified. and it was cleared by -- these two were cleared by city prosecutor already. this shooting was justified. >> actually, that isn't quite the final word on the matter. in march of 2013, the same month the justice department began the investigation of the city's police department, city officials announced that all future cases in which the use of deadly force by cleveland police results in a death will go to

the cuyahoga county prosecutor, not the city prosecutor. that prort will get the case after the police finish their investigation and present evidence to the grand jury. it will be some time before they can officially claim the shooting of tamir rice was justified. joining me now, civil and criminal rights attorney. political reporter at the the "washington post." jamani williams, new york city councilman and former police academy instructor, retired nypd detective and a member of black law enforcement alliance. thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. leslie, i want to start with you. you're born and raised in cleveland area. you spent a couple of weeks a while back reporting on police reform there. tell us what you discovered. >> of course. i think one of the things key here is you read the patterns an practices report that the doj put out, very recently happened after the two deaths. and the report was very damning. to read this, to imagine that

you would ever run an organization and have the feds come in and say these types of things. in one line they say the police force, the cleveland division of police is an occupying force in the city. they say that's a direct quote. they say that they talk to commanders and none of them is adequately explain the concept of community policing, much less carry it out. what we saw, though, as i talked to many, many people. whether elected officials, observers, or my friends as i was meeting up with them over the week i was home, this report didn't sell us anything we didn't already know. what we're seeing in ferguson, greater st. louis, in cleveland, in staten island, new york, as the president keeps saying, we're having a broader conversation, greater awareness, realities and perceptions that people of color have known about for a long time. this is laying down the the realities that most of cleveland has known be the true. >> i want to pull something from

your article and get the entire table to respond. and you write that the clinton administration grants for community policing increase the number of officers on foot and bike patrols in the neighborhoods, but that money dried up, and the local police departments were hit with layoffs and budget cuts as the economy tank in the mid 2000s. how much of the debate is simply about money or something else? >> i think most people are not sure what they're saying when they say community policing. just having a cop in a beat is not community policing. we have to all be clear on what community policing is. it's a philosophy that the whole department has to accept. and it talks about partnerships with other agencies. the police are the only things that center the communities with

social issues needing a lot of help. and so other agencies should be involved. you can't send the police to solve every problem in the communities. as we're dealing with the culture shift that we need in the police department, it has to happen. we have to get more agencies involved. here in new york city, we're trying very hard to get the the department of mental health, housing and preservation, they all should be working in can dem in the kmuncommunities, using t same data that police use. these communities cry out for assistance and they don't get it. >> so detective, what is your sense? 25 years, nypd. what's your sense of community policing, and is the lack of money related to the breakdown in police and citizen interaction? >> finances is always an issue tochlt me as a law enforcement officer, the core community policing starts with trust. without trust, you can send your

officers everywhere and we're not going to communicate with you. we don't believe in your policies, your practices. you can send a thousand officers to a community. i don't believe you. it doesn't mean anything. more importantly, it's a wide gap between the trust of people of color and police officers. >> so i want to play some sound from the president and then get you to respond. this is at the end of the president's press conference yesterday. he was asked about race, and this is what he said. >> i actually think it's been a healthy conversation that we've had. these are not new phenomenon. the fact that we're now surfacing is in part because people are able to film what was just in the past stories passed around a kitchen table, allows people to make their own assessments and evaluations. you're not going to solve a problem that's not being talked about. >> the task force is going to

report back in 90 days. how do you think it could help, if t all? >> it can help if we get this down to an individual basis. when you sea community policing, it's a broad deaf in igs. definition. if there was a mediator from the community to oversee this, not as a police officer, that the community so much distrusts, and it's very difficult to say something like you have to build trust between the the community and the police, without changing the perception of each individual police officer because so i, like you, have been in law enforcement. i'm a former prosecutor. and cops, whether black or white, sometimes they look at a brown or black body and say that guy is up to something. >> e lest see, what do you think the task force recommendations could produce? >> i think you're going to have, one, some of it will have to do with diversity of police forces

and in cleveland you had an issue tw the idea of where do these officers live? do they live in the communities they're policing. >> the cleveland mayor is black. and the police commissioner and the congresswoman and half the council. and this is a city that has a lot of block leadership. but then also this idea of how do you deal tw the grand jury process. how are you dealing with prosecutors who are working with officers in cases of officers potentially facing crimes for things they do on the jobs. and so i think there are a lot of areas in terms of changing the way payment plans are sued and speeding tickets are given out. those are structural things that have been the casualties of being black. >> so much more to say on this. but we're going to continue the conversation. >> i'll pause it. >> up next, the comments by

police communion boss in new york city that weren't meant for the public to hear. first this story of george, 14 at the time the picture was taken in 1944. he was convicted and put to death for the murder of two young white girls. he weighed just 95 pounds when he was arrested. at the time of his execution, he was so small he had to sit on a phone book in the electric chair. he is often cited as the youngest person executed in the united states in the last century. be u this past wednesday, more than 70 years after his execution, he was exonerated by a south carolina circuit judge carmen mullen, who wrote in an order, quote, this court finds fundamental constitutional violations of due process exist in the 1944 prosecution of george stinney, jr., and here by vacates the judgment. his younger sister, now 80, told nbc news learning of the exoneration was quote, like a cloud just moved away. we'll be right back.

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protesters took to the streets of new york city last saturday in the largest demonstration yet since a staten island grand jury decided not to indict the nypd officer whose choke hold took the life of eric garner in july. more than 25,000 people marched, many of them chanting the words "i can't breathe" and pushing on the simple theme that black lives matter. last night a few demonstrators wearing i can breathe t-shirts offered support for the police officer. it captured a week in which private and insind yd yar remar were made public thanks to an audio recording obtained by capital new york. quote, if we won't get support when we do our jobs, if we're going to get hurt for doing what's right, then we're going

to do the way they want it, lim lynch said last friday, the day before the march. let me be perfectly clear. we will use extreme discretion in every encounter. the rules are made by then to hurt you. no now we'll use those rules to protect us. lynch added the september # 1th capitol hill demonstration was stupid and mayor de blasio is not running the city of new york. he thinks he's running an expletive revolution. de blasio and two of his aides met privately for 45 minutes on friday with a group that staged last weekend's protest. in a statement after the meeting, they indicating meeting was productive, adding we expressed to the mayor there's a sense of urgency in the community and a real crisis in confidence and not just the nypd but the entire criminal justice system. so detective, i want to come out to you first and ask you, as i

read through those comments from pat lynch, what does extreme discretion mean to you? >> okay. to me it can be taken two ways. he could be stating to the members that we have no backg from our political leaders. supervisors and obviously the mayor. so this is what we're going to do. we're going to do everything by the letter of the book. since discretion has been taken away. use extreme discretion. and look the other way. it can be taken that way. or it can be taken undercut words as in we're slowing down until things get better. one of two ways the members can take a statement like that. regardless, it is definitely not helpful. it's very divisive towards trying to build trust. >> councilman williams, i want to ask you because you've been a leader in the city council, in introducing and passing reforms

that shore up and structurally change the policing in the city. i want to ask your reaction to pat lynch's comments and especially because he's indicative of essentially a revolt of police officers against legislation that you've passed and against the mayor. what good will reforms do if they can't be implemented. >> the more he opens his mouth, the more obscene it becomes. which is unfortunate. he's lied considerably on a host of issues. now he's just throwing fuel on the flames that many of us are trying to tamper down. he has made it so that you cannot want better policing without being anti-police. and those two things are so different. and he can actually assist in many of these things. the bills i passed, he consistently said cops are going to lose their homes. he said crime is going to skyrocket. lautds up the wazoo. lawsuits up the wazoo.

none of those things happened. my hope is the police officers themselves will listen to what is happening and not the rhetoric that lynch is posting. and this is a dangerous place to put us. he's putting new york city on the danger line. i feel he cares about himself the most and he's using his place of a police officer as a platform to secure that. he's in negotiations and he's running for re-election. >> that's really helpful information. seema, i want to come out to you and ask what are the legal implications from his comments? >> well, i think it is more political. i don't think he has any legal implications. he didn't use those terms. >> that's important. >> he didn't use those words. and you made a good point. is there repercussions here? because he couches everything with the word discretion and will follow things by the book.

but before he made those comments. >> and then he drops f-bombs. >> but before he did all of these things, i've spoken to police officers that have individually said i'm backing off. i don't want a lawsuit. i don't want to be in the middle of the next eric garner situation. i'm walking away. you're walking away from true criminal activity and true victims and that could be the problem. >> that's the danger. that's what is important. we can have good policing. that's all we're asking for. better policing. a lot of police officers are doing that. the only thing people are talking about are the things that are wrong that everybody agrees is wrong. >> so i want to come to you on this, wesley. now we've heard from the heads of police in cleveland and new york. obviously the words not helping come to mind. which we've said at this table. t what the heck do we do? and detective, i want to get you in on this, too. are there especially cops of color that might take a different perspective?

of course. in some ways you have two police unions. you have a black union and white union. the black union was the face for most of the post ferguson. there was a black union for most of the time. they weren't pushing the same line. one thing i'll say is when i talk to black officers, often they tend to be more sympathetic to the officer than you might expect them to be. and this is in some ways the symptom, not necessarily the problem. and it's a symptom of this idea of the us versus them. that's what we see in the report. it's this idea that the police again, are they an occupying force in the city where they're working? is this us versus them? this is the assailant. this is the suspect. is this good guys paand bad guy or is this a group of people helping protect the other good guys? when you look at the police unions and what they're saying and the leaders are saying, i wonder, is this a symptom of the deeper problem? and while they're the figure heads of it, they're the anecdote. they're showing us that yes,

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tasha thomas, his girlfriend, was elsewhere in walmart at the time of the shooting. according to a recording released by the newspaper by the ohio attorney general, it shows the detective aggressively questioning thomas for more than 90 minutes following the shooting. >> tell me where he got the gun from. >> sir, i don't know. i honestly don't know. >> and the truth is yo knew at some point he did carry a gun. >> no, sir. no, sir. i didn't know. i swear i didn't know. >> i'm having trouble with this. >> give me a lie detector test. i'm being honest. >> at the end of the questioning, ker revealed to thomas that her boyfriend had died. tasha thomas was a guest on "all in" on monday. i want to show this video. she spoke to the affect that interrogation and that day had on her. let's take a listen. >> it kind of took a toll on me. i mean, i live it every minute.

second by second, as it comes. i no longer make plans for anything. you never know if you're going to be here today or gone tomorrow. >> so i want to know what all of you take away from that tape. i'll start with you, detective. >> i did see that tape. it was incredible to watch. totally -- i'm speechless. like i am now. how do you interrogate a victim who just lost a loved one who is not a suspect at all? >> but it was more than interrogation. it was a flat-out lie. >> lie. >> and i'm sorry to be a lawyer. she better sue. >> she offered to take a lie detector test several times. >> the psychological damage that has been done to that woman, which i am sure she can prove in the treatment that she will receive, deserves compensation. >> absolutely.

>> and the loss of life that she's suffered. this wasn't an interrogation. >> we could argue for all the indignities suffereded from the police action. tamir rice's 14-year-old sister who is handcuffed. the emts mistreating eric garner and now this. what about the collective suffering. >> the most fascinating thing with the whole discussion is we can't fix the problem because people are still pushing back that racism exists. that's a question. being black and white in america are two different things. t no matter what is presented. no matter what's on video. whether rodney king to eric garner. we find a twa to make it so that's not the case. and that's a fundamental point we have to agree onto fix the problem. can i just say this? i had a white lawyer prosecutor say to me last night that if eric garner was white, the same thing would have happened. and i looked at that person and

said, are you stoned? are you kidding me? does anyone really think that? >> please? >> i want to get your response to this we have video from earlier this week. talks about the video speaks for itself. let's see if we have that sound. the point is we all see the same video, right? okay. let's take a look. we have it. >> you know, there's a video of this. everything speaks for itself. the male's action spoke for itself. the video clearly showed and by the offer's statement that they were justified in the deadly force. >> you're saying the video clearly shows the 12-year-old boy was an imminent lethal threat to the officers? >> absolutely. i don't know if you didn't see

it. absolutel absolutely. >> yes, help us. two different worlds here. i think most people who watch this video say i don't know that i see the imminent threat to an officer's life. why the video was so important. it shows the injustice. we've heard the story. the cops beat me up on the way to work. they frisked us. it's your uncle. it's your brother. now we have video of some of the cases. go back to eric garner and look at the police said happened before the video was put out. tamir rice, according to a police report, was with a group of kids under the gazebo, asked four or five times. then we watch the video where he's alone under the gazebo throwing snowballs and within two seconds is shot and killed. it's not just about what we watch in the video. the idea because we have video, we can go back and say, okay, even if you justify the shooting, whatever the legal

standard is. it's a strategy. but maybe it's not a crime. what's happening internally about what officers are writing in police reports about what happens in the instances and then what we see really happens. >> i want to to get the detective to respond. the implication is the police officers are just lying. >> and that's the truth. >> i want to go back to this video real quick. that whole shooting should have been avoided. you do not respond to a gun run within two feet of the person with the gun and start shouting instructions. there's a reason you stay back. you use a loud speaker and give instructions from a distance. no different if this person was armed with dynamite. you don't approach that person. you stay distance. this could have been a second kid that picked up a firearm. it's accountability. there's no accountability, police officers will never change their behavior. it seems like america is waking

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last friday fbi officials confirmed their investigation into lennon lacey's death. the 17-year-old was found hanging from a swing set near his north carolina neighborhood. the morning of a high school football game his parents say he was looki ining forward to play in. within five days local investigators ruled out foul play, indicating a possible suicide. but the family was concerned about a possible rush to judgment by authorities. they called on the north carolina naacp state conference to help seek federal involvement in their son's case. but now that the fbi is involved, several questions remain unanswered as the lacy family copes with the loss of a loved one. lennon's mother and the legal council joins me now from raleigh, north carolina. thank you both for joining me this morning. >> thank you for having us. >> claudia, tell us why you

reached out to the north carolina naacp. >> my son is a very lively person. you would tell if there was a change in his demeanor. as far as the suicide, it was not even something i would think he would do or could think about. ic i said, my son was so lively. he loved life. for them to say suicide without concerning or talking to any family members to see how his demeanor, his behavior was, was something that was just not normal. you know. just didn't sit right or feel right to me. >> and heather, let me ask you, when the north carolina naacp started looking into the case, what did the group find? >> we found a number of issues. first, we found that the investigation was the initial investigation was cursory at

best. we hired an independent pa tholgs to review the autopsy report. and she made a number of findings. >> what were those findings? if you can share with us. >> some of those findings were after reviewing the autopsy file interviewing the state medical examiner dr. deborah radich, she determined there was no crime scene photos provided to deborah radich during or before the autopsy. the explanation was the crime scene technician was on another homicide when the scene was processed. so deborah radich did not have any diagrams or photos to look at to determine whether or not it was even feasible for lennon to hang himself.

she also -- dr. roberts also had some concerns about the noose, the length of the noose. the fact that the belts that were used to make the noose did not belong to lennon and were not consistent with belts that he had worn before. another issue was the shoes that lennon was wearing when the body was discovered. t the shoes were reportedly still on lennon when he was placed in the body bag and sent to the medical examiner's office. when deborah radich received the body, those shoes were not in the bag. >> and they were different shoes. >> those shoes are very important in this case because they were a size 10 and a half. they were not lennon's shoes. they were white air force one shoes. lennon wore a size 12 to 13. he had left the house that night wearing a gray set of high top

nike shoes. and the following morning when they discovered the body, found him with this strange set of shoes on his feet. typically, those shoes would remain on the body until they got to the medical examiner's office so she could process that evidence. so claudia, let me ask you, is there a history of racial tension in the community, and do you think lennon's death may have been racially motivated? i want to read a quote from lennon's girlfriend who told the daily mail, i believe lennon was murdered. the police ruled his death as suicide. lennon would never harm himself. he's got too much love for life. neighbors told me they were against interracial relationships and it was not right, me being with black guy. is this indicative of the race relations where you live? >> it is in a sense in you're a resident. as a visitor, you wouldn't see it. but like i said, interacting

with community and living in the area you would be able to sense it. as far as it being right there in your face, visiting, no. if you interacted with the residents and got to know who you lived with, yeah, it was very clear. >> and how important is it that the fbi is taken over this investigation and what do you hope for it? >> like heather told you, the pathologist report. and the suicide thing, i think it was because of me saying he was upset. we had just buried a relative that day before. he was upset. but not to the point where he was suicidal. i'm his mother. there's a connection with a parent and a child that you sense when your child is going through emotional distress. that's something i hadn't felt. no reason for his demeanor. his whole routine stayed the same. he got prepared for his football game. he was cheerful. we talked about my uncle's

passing. he was relating to his family members how excited he was about playing the position that he had went and worked towards all year. there was no indication at all. i knew he hadn't done that to himself. and i said it very loudly. and it was one of those things you don't forget. it was too quick. too fast. they never asked me to come and search his room. they never asked me anything as far as what his day was before. i want justice. those teenagers he interacted with every day, you could sense and feel it when they came to me and said he wouldn't do this. they knew also. >> in addition to the -- >> we have to -- unfortunately we have to go. i want to thank you claudia lacy in raleigh, north carolina. we're very, very sorry for your loss. thank you for joining us.

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according to the colorado department of revenue. but the market has not avoided controversy. ment overconsumption and accidental ingestion have generated considerable negative press. so i traveled to denver to learn more >> is anything done to resolve its issues? >> today with julie at sweet grass kitchen. julie is one of the pioneers of the edible cannabis movement. so i heard you are going to let me cook some products, right? let's go. i'm going to start baking. ready for me? >> i wish i could. the marijuana enforcement division requires all employees to have a badge in order to work in a licensed marijuana facility. sorry. >> i think it's my paralegal greg told you i'm a terrible cook but i can help out? >> i'll let you help. >> what's next?

>> hair nets, gloves, aprons. we'll get started. >> hi, gang. >> kitchen specializes in canni butter edible products. we make brownies, cook knies an pumpkin pie. >> when you say pot is in your food it's in the butter. >> cannabis butter is made when cannabis butter -- [ buzz ] should we get that? >> lauren finesilver, you are the head chef at sweet grass kitchen and giving up the duties of the day to me. oh, lauren, come on. so chef, do you mind if i help out a little? >> yes, we can help oversee the process. >> keep a close eye on me. what are we doing here? >> we're making single serving peanut butter cookies today. >> what's the recommended dosage

for a consumer? someone who buys the products? >> i recommend if you've never tried edibles before or it's been a long time to start with 5 milligrams or less and wait at least two hours. if you aren't feeling effects yet, you can eat more. i tell people you can eat more, you can never eat less. something that has been a concern in the edibles market in colorado is overconsumption and accidental congestion. >> the edibles industry is 45% of the market. right now. the backlash is mostly with edibles and while you can say, okay, i recommend my consumer only have half a cookie, there's no way to control what someone eats. right? >> right. >> take the pot out of the equation. if you send me home with a box of cookies, who is going to eat one? >> there's certainly a responsibility on the consumer level to read directions and of

course, follow them. something that the cannabis business alliance and the edibles council has done to minimize overconsumption is create an edibles education handout. we found four important points. start with one serving or less. wait up to two hours. don't mix with alcohol or other controlled substances. and of course, keep out of reach of children and pets and in the original child resistant packaging. >> since marijuana has been legalized for recreational use, there have been many reports of children accidentally ingesting the product and then ending up in the emergency room. >> that is true. and it's certainly a valid concern. accidental ingestion by children is something the industry worked hard towards minimizing through strict packaging requirements including child resistant packaging, very stringent labeling requirements. the good news, in the past

several months, there hasn't been a hospitalization of a child. that shows me people are now more aware of the intensity of these products and the importance of keeping it out of reach of children. >> back with us is my fellow chef host. >> returning this into the shift show, aren't we? >> a serious plate. in your interview, julie maintains there's no instances of children in the emergency rooms because of cannabis poisoning recently but what did you find when you checked with the children's hospital of colorado? >> the children's hospital said in the last year, there have been 14 children and 7 of those children were admitted to the i.c.u. or the intensive care department and also, in may of 2014, the children's hospital told the denver post, quote unquote, they are on pace to more than double last year's total. >> so what are the implications

of this, you know, minor smoke and drink, despite packaging designed to minimize this, is it self-deceiving? >> i think it's very similar to alcohol in the sense that there is an age limit on it and it's very hard to control, but think about this. if a kid sees a bottle of jack daniels, it then becomes more attractive to them if they want to drink. so even with the packaging that was demmen straited, all the protections make it more attractive and visible. oh, those aren't the oreos. those are the cookies i really want. >> i have to ask you this. in colorado, you saw the baking process. >> i was baking. >> you baked but i was kind of curious, i don't know what is on this plate, if you brought anything back. >> i didn't. i did not want to get arrested. i didn't taste the cookies. you know the kbegeek i am and a

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