murders. ishmael brinsley saying i'm putting wings on pigs today. nypd commissioner spoke about it earlier on "today." >> it's quite obvious that they are targeting the two police officers was a direct spin off of this issue with these demonstrations. >> the officers deaths have heightened tensions between the mayor and the police department in the wake of recent protests. officers turned their backs on deblasio when he visited in the report. over to florida now where another police officer was killed over the weekend by a suspect allegedly trying to avoid arrest. they responded to a noise complaint around 2:00 a.m. they saw him and opened fire and then took a car and ran the officer over when he was down on the ground.

he plead and was wanted a sort time later. overseas to north korea, they issued a new threat against the united states. in a statement on north korean news, the government denied they were behind the cyber attack calling the claims reckless rumors and warns of strikes on the white house and the pentagon and mainland in response to any action by the u.s. north korea called for a joint investigation with the united states into the people behind the attack. that was due to a new order that lifted the two-year ban. they have until february to ask the supreme court to hear an appeal. let's now dig deeper into today's top stories. new york city's mayor is

delivering remarks at a police luncheon in a few minutes. two days after the execution style murders of two nypd officers. he is scheduled to hold a formal press conference at 3:30 today. we showed them turning their backs at the hospital over the weekend and here was the head of the city's police union that same night blasting the mayor. >> there is blood on many hands tonight. that blood on the hands starts on on the office of the mayor. >> that are comes after comments made about his own son when he advised him to take special care during any encounters with police. the officers were shot as msnbc's adam reece and add good afternoon to you. you will be watching to see if the mayor narrows the divide between city hall and the

police. can we expect to hear the mayor address some of these accusations that have been coming out of the union directly? >> we can expect that at the 1:15 luncheon with the police athletic league. he is expected first here at the scene of the memorial. it's a growing memorial. we are seeing a steady stream of police officers come here. candles and flowers and cards showing their grief. a lot of tears and emotion. the mayor just left the home of officer ramos here in brooklyn. he is on his way here. we will see if he has comments and he will pay his respects to the memorial for the slain officers. this is the exact location where the shooting took place. >> what are we learning more about the shooter today and where does the investigation go from here? >> police gave us a detailed description of the history of the shooter. he had been arrested 19 times and had been jailed for two

years on weapons charges and his mother told police that he had tried to commit suicide this year. we also learned that minutes before the shooting when he arrived on the scene here in brooklyn, he ran into two men and said to them, follow me on instagram. he wanted to know their gang affiliation and told them watch what i'm going to do now. >> msnbc's adam reece. we will bring you the remarks to the police athletic league when we get them. they will carry the press conference live at 3:30 when that happens. >> there will be no changes against a black man who was shot in april. he was shot 14 times. the officer was investigating complaints that hamilton was sleeping in a park.

protesters blocked to call for charges. more than 70 people were arrested in the protest. john, do we have a sense of why the district attorney has decided not to press charges? >> the district attorney actually gave a detailed press conference and released a detailed summary of the investigation, spelling out the details of this incident that happened in april. it happened as you say with the police officer investigating a report that the young man was sleeping at a city park in downtown milwaukee. he started to pat the man down when hamilton trapped his arms under his own arms and swung at the police officer according to the report. they responded with his baton and he began beating the police officer and he pulled out his service resolver, a semi

automatic pistol and emptied all 14 shots. something the investigators took between 3 and four seconds. reviewing all of this, reviewing the confrontation, talking after consulting with two experts in the field on police use of force, the district attorney concluded that the use of force was justified. >> the standard when an officer is confronted with the risk of death and great bodily harm, they are not allowed to employ force to kill or allowed to-use force to wound. they are allowed to stop the threat. as long as they threat is present, they are authorized to use force. >> hamilton's family said they are extremely disappointed by what happened. this case cries out for justice.

ivan? >> the police officer was fired and what was the reason the police gave for that dismissal? >> he fired him not for using excessive force, but approaching in the wrong way. they determined quickly that hamilton was disturbed. mentally disturbed. the family said he has a history of mental illness. instead of dealing with him as a disturbed person, the police chief said he dealt with him as a criminal. a potential criminal. patting him down. they say that was the wrong way to approach this and this led to the chain of events in which the officer had no choice but to use deadly force and that's why they say they dismissed him from the force, not because he used excessive force, but he approached this the wrong way and violated the forces

protocols in the handling of this case. >> nbc's john yang r79ing. thank you very much on that. the obama administration is weighing how to respond to the cyber attack on sony pictures. it was orchestrated by the north korean government. when asked whether the attack was an act of war. >> i don't think it was an act of war. i think it was vandalism that was costly and very expensive. we take it very seriously. we will respond proportionally as i said. >> this comes as they warn they will respond if attacked by the u.s. traveling with the president, joining me from hawaii is fbc's kristen welker. what are they doing as they consider how and when to respond to this? >> i can tell you the conversations are going on at the most senior levels about how specifically the united states should respond among the options under considerations.

a new round of sanctions or possibly a counter cyber attack. president obama showed his hand a little bit and said that one of the thing that is the u.s. is considering is possibly adding north korea back to the terror list. that would mean new sanctions both economic and trade. some experts warned that that would be a largely symbolic move because there so many sanctions that the united states imposed against north korea. a little bit of background about this. they had been on the terror list for decades that in 2008, former president bush took the country off of the list. he was trying to get a deal done. a nuclear weapons deal with the country. that deal fell apart and north korea remains off of the terror list. that is the backdrop as there is a mounting debate going on about how to characterize this attack. you heard president obama call it an act of cyber vandalism. some republicans including john

mccain say it is an act of war and they call for a strong robust response from the administration. we expect that president obama will continue to get briefed on his range of options while he vacations here in hawaii. >> kristen welker traveling with president obama there in hawaii. much more on the showdown between new york city mayor deblasio and new york city police. has the rhetoric on both sides gone too far? is the weather about to wreak rav havoc on your holiday plans? a live look at the forecast is ahead. don't go away. here's a question for you: when electricity is generated with natural gas instead of today's most used source, how much are co2 emissions reduced? up to 30%? 45%? 60%? the answer is... up to 60% less. and that's a big reason why the u.s. is a world leader in reducing co2 emissions. take the energy quiz -- round 2. energy lives here.

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this street under the guys of protest that tried to tear down what new york city police officers did every day. that blood on their hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> that was the head of the patrolman's benevolent association making strong statements hours after the ambushes of two new york city police officers. leaders from president obama to mayor bill deblasio are calling for calm in the wake of the shootings. the mayor is scheduled to speak at a police athletic luncheon about strengthening the bond between the police will bring the remarks to you live as soon as that begins. former nypd officer. at the college of criminal justice. the president and ceo. i want to get your reaction to the unions there, the head of

the union, pat lynch. >> it's becoming clear we have a mental health issue. i think the separate narrative, i don't know if this is the weak to do it. there was a tremendous amount of unfounded disinformation about the new york city police department and more generally the police in america. it turns out to have a cost when you allow people to repeat things that are not true. >> the shootings have done nothing to help the already fractured relationship between the mayor and nypd. they are turning their back to the mayor as he entered the hospital after both were pronounced dead. here's what bill brat on said about them. >> i don't support that particular activity and i don't think it was appropriate in that setting. it's reflective of the anger of some of them. there is a lot going on in the

nypd at the moment. labor negotiations and some 10,000 of our officers are in a new pension system that limits the benefits and they secured about four years ago when they signed a bill at midnight. there was a lot of anger about that. >> the former officer, what are you hearing about the tensions between the police and city hall? how much of this is political? how much is much more deep rooted and personal. >> they were assassinate and it has been the hospital. emotionings are raw. you saw the commissioner at the family home of the ramos family. he led in front of the mayor, this is the most probably respected police chief in america at this point. i think that's the saving grace here. the commissioner understands policing. for the cops, they feel there is

an ongoing narrative. they don't understand it. they have been spewing and good faith stuff. some has been malicious and unfounded. they really get their job on the street level. that will be a big part of the healing process. >> they this to say about the mayor's relationship with the police. >> my basic issue with the mayor is the false narrative that he is in 2013. his position was that there was this huge gulf between the police and the communities of new york city. this is at a time when the police were polling 70% approval rating. >> add to this he had to teach his son to be careful when dealing with police. what needs to happen to fix this? >> i think the commissioner who

had the highest respect for him and i work for needs to acknowledge and should acknowledge in the last administration stop and frisk was overused gigantically and the union stood up against it and they did hundreds of stops that looking backwards have created tensions to their credit at the end. they started to curtail that and there issues where the police would be the first to acknowledge that there is issues. >> commissioner brat on said the murders came as a direct result after the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. here's a chance from one of the demonstrations in new york recently. have these protests across the country become too anti-police and the rhetoric too incendiary? >> i want to make it clear that

the national urban league and the historic civil rights organizations were not part of organizing the rights in new york. we did participate in and help organize the march in washington, d.c. i think on all sides at this point it's important that people be levelheaded about their expressions and levelheaded about the rhetoric. that has to go all the way around from the union head to politicians in washington that have no involvement in any of these cities where the incidents have occurred. this is this opportunity for lots of exploitation. we have two dead police officers, but we also have dead citizens. eric garner and michael brown. a 12-year-old. we have a lot of dead people who died as a result of violence. i think it's important to understand that emotions are indeed raw. this is not just about rhetoric. my focus has been on the need

for the kinds of changes to improve police community relations that we need around the country. no one can deny that improvements are needed. >> they also went to to talk about the need to reflect the community it serves. the nypd is the majority of officers are minority individuals. how key is the make up of the force to its ability to police? >> i always believed that in a dynamic diverse city like new york or like new orleans or chicago or like any major american city, that the force needed to reflect the community. the nuances and the understanding. the passion and the love for the community were part of the work of force that is designed to protect and indeed to serve. new york certainly made strides, but a lot more work needs to be done across the nation.

>> last question to you. do you think the push to get body cameras on police officers could change the dynamic that we are seeing in these situations? >> not in the way people think. we saw the mayor of baltimore say she was concerned the way police officer are not going to protect themselves. not protect the public. the is she that if police officers feel that everything they do, they will be second-guess and people will stand up when they do their job and explain the job. we need letters to embrace the system and explain what the police do. >> i want to respond to that. i think cameras and did she cams and body cams would be an improvement. it's not about second-guessing, but about the truth. if you follow the synagogue incident in new york that was on tape, there was no second-guessing after the fact that the police officers use force on a man who had a knife. we have got to use technology to

improve the search for the truth. that's what this is about. >> the largest police issue is not engaged. we have to be honest about that. >> gentlemen, thank you for joining us. i'm sure we will have a lot more debate about it. we are waiting for live remarks from bill deblasio as soon as he speaks to the police athletic league. we will bring the remarks to you live. just ahead, the latest on the greatest after a weekend health care accepteds boxing lendent mohamed ali to the hospital. his condition after the break. bl along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it gave me the power to overcome the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some people had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these,

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weekend, he is or was the greatest and now recovering. his condition is said to be improving after he was admitted to the hospital with a mild case of pneumonia. he is expected to be discharged soon according to doctors. chances are if you are traveling for the holiday, you have left. this is flight aware's misery map. nothing too hairy, but we are expecting bad weather ahead of christmas. domenica davis is here with what to expect. who and where are they being felt the most? >> we will see the midwest and all of the east coast on wednesday. we had showers in both areas. the brunt of the storm will happen by wednesday. that's when we are going to see this move up to the coast and talking very heavy rain along with strong gusty winds. all those things that really don't do well for flying. it's windy and rainy up and down

the east coast. we have lake effect snow along with the wind. it is going to be a gnarly day, but it ends by christmas. we are dry by thursday and temperatures will be mild by wednesday. highs in the low 60s in washington, d.c. >> safe travels. thanks very much. take a look at the other stories today spiking on social media. the nypd shootings trending nationally over 100,000 tweets using the hash tag nypd lives matter after the killing of the two police officers in brooklyn over the weekend. other trending hash tags including blue lives matter and black lives matter. back to north korea and the hacker known as anonymous in a series of twitter posts from one of the accounts thought to be used by the group. they appear to say they will be releasing the movie themselves on christmas with a tweet saying we are saving it for you as a

christmas present, #wink wink. can you feel the love between elton john and his long time partner? the couple married after becoming civil partners back in 2005. the rocket man shared images from the wedding with the world on instaincluding this shot of one of their two sons and the menu for the event. short ribs and onion pie using #share the love. accelerating with 20,000 tweets alone today. the pope delivers his christmas message and it's not necessarily one of love and peace. the message said, the head of the catholic church the official who is lust for hour create a form of spiritual alzheimer's. he goes after the terrorism of gossip and destructive power of them. we are now going to go back to the press conference as the mayor is expected. he is walking in right now into

that police athletic league luncheon. so the police is expected to address that crowd momentarily. these are going to be his first comments today following a visit to the home of one of the police officers that was killed in that shooting on saturday. earlier today we are expecting the mayor to speak in about five minutes. just ahead, much more on the fallout of the hacking scandal. what action can the u.s. take to retaliate? we will explore that question next.

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weekend. we will bring those remarks to you live as soon as the mayor takes the podium. let's talk about another big story. they said it's a matter of time before they release the movie at the center of this storm, the interview. no word on exactly when or how. they promised a proportional response to the hack. he kept a temper tone in an interview this weekend. >> i don't think it was an act of war. i think it was an act of cyber vandalism that was costly and very expensive. >> it might not have been an act of war, but it could put them back on the terror list. they are considering that move. north korea respond that any action account bring a counter strike. for more on this, a north korea expert with the cia and michael sheehan for counter terrorism at the state department and former assistance secretary of defense.

i wanted to start off with who rejected the president's notion that this is cyber vandalism. a new form of warfare and that we are at war. it's meant to have been an act of cyber war. i wanted to start by asking michael sheehan, do you consider this an act of war? >> words are very, very important. they should be carefully used. i think cyber vandalism may be too light of a word. it is approaching cyber sabotage and sabotage is an act of war. it is an act that destabilized our economy and damaged our economy and close to sabotage and i wouldn't put it in an act of war at this point. >> as a north korea expert, it is fair to make a distinction between the non-state actors or the north korean government or should they be considered one? >> the fbi said it was a nation

state. the north korean government was behind this. the distinction moot. we think the north korean government has done this attack and it has 5,000 or more cyber warriors both to the military and to the security services. >> let me follow-up on this. this being called cyber vandalism and if that in fact was the case, what is the appropriate response from the u.s.? >> cyber vandalism sounds like the digital equivalent of teens writing graffiti on the wall. it is not that. i don't think it was an act of war. i think it could be an act of terror applicable to returning to the state sponsors of terrorism. the legal definition including criminal seconds intended to coerce the population. along with other acts that north korea has done as it was removed from the list, this could and should put it back on the list.

if it is put back on the state, is it going to have an impact? >> i went to talk to them as the state department at counter terrorism. the fact of the matter is while we are going through the negotiation, they didn't have to do that much to get off the list. they made a calculation that it doesn't matter to them. they have so many other sanctions by piling it on. it doesn't get too much. this one event as someone who has done these before, i'm not sure that would make the grade to put you back on the list. >> michael on these diplomatic events is the biggest ally in china. china's foreign ministry person said china a poses all forms of cyber attacks and no proof that north korea is responsible.

>> that's the key to put pressure on north korea. you will not have the perfect knowledge of where this thing came from? these computer hammers are smart to balance it from server to server. if the fbi and other people come to a judgment that they are involved in, we need to move forward and make that assumption in terms of planning the proportional response and we need to do that sooner than later. >> if you can briefly tell us, what can the u.s. do to prevent these attacks going forward? >> more broadly beyond the terrorism list, there is a number of things the u.s. can do. we haven't implemented all the existing laws. we have more zimbabwe entities on the sanctions list than north korea. we have also done more extensive in iran and other countries. >> thank you both. great to have you both on the show. >> thank you. >> up next, another side of the

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>> we are looking into bill deblasio slated to speak in front of the new york city luncheon. he is expected to address the killings of two nypd officers. the son of one of those over the weekend in brooklyn will be able to finish his education with no financial worries. they tweeted they will cover education costs for the son of the officer. he is already, tending the school. his younger son posted this remembrance on his facebook. everyone said they hate cops, but they are the people they call for help. i will always love you and i will never forget you. the tragic incident rocked the

city already on edge from the eric garner case. michael daley, a correspondent wrote a minute by minute account of the aftermath through the eyes of emergency medical personnel that were desperately trying to revive the officers. while we wait for the comments, a riveting account of those moments. you covered new york city for many years. >> i have. >> what was the account that you got in the moments after that shooting that happened on saturday? >> there was a voluntary ambulance corps near there and a gentlemen named barron johnson who was listening to the police radio and he heard officer down, 1013. he runs into the base and gets a young woman named tatiana alexander and they hop in the ambulance along with another guy in the front, pedro. they speed down myrtle avenue

and arrive and along the way they hear two officers shot, rush the bus. that means hurry up with the ambulance. they know it's really serious. they see a cop waving them dramatically and frantically to turn on to tompkins avenue and there were two police officers both shot in the car. there was only one ambulance and two officers shot. barron said to one. cops, who is hurt worse? he said they are both shot in the head and neither is breathing. barron started working on officer ramos behind the steering wheel. alexander and pedro went and started working on that officer. the fire department came and were helping with that and barron johnson, they both touched the neck to see if there was a pulse and no pulse at all.

to me the thing that really stays with me is barron johnson describes he is working trying to save this officer and bring him back to life. he is saying just blink. just blink if you can hear me. he is praying. the officer is looking at him. he is praying for any sign of life, even a little blink that means there is a bit of hope. he keeps working and keeps working and the cops are screaming don't die, don't die. that officer just is staring up. this paramedic is staring down and he pleads show me some sign. they get him in the ambulance and barron gets behind the wheel and they speed towards the hospital and tatiana is trying to patch the wounds and a cop is in the back of the ambulance and doing the same thing and calling ramos, ramos, ramos, no response. >> you have been around for many years and covered a lot of

things and you personally have seen something like this or covered this? >> unfortunately yes. it's so shocking is that the city had gotten so much better. that's because of the cops. these two guys who were sitting in that radio car are part of a police department that transformed from fear city to the safest big city of america. no one said thank you to them. they are sitting there and all the horrors in the past came back and it's like you are back in the 70s or something. >> what was different about this? have you seen tensions between city hall and police this bad? >> 92 you had thousands of cops screaming about david. i think they really do feel betrayed. the whole city was a mess. the cops couldn't say hey, we

changed the city. now you have a mayor who talks about bringing the barkley center. they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the cops. i have been to homicides on that corner and no one would have spent time building i big arena if they hadn't made it safe. >> i want to bring back in michael sheehan for counter terrorism under the bloomberg administration. your thoughts on this weekend? >> tragic for the two individuals and their family. this has been a culmination of an issue of the mayor that started back in the campaign where he was explicit about the police tactics that were being used by the previous administration. as you move forward with the interviews with al sharpton and the police commissioner together on a podium, the tension kept rising and rising and with the demonstrations and a seeming

effort from the city hall and from the people to really downgrade the efforts of the police and to actually encourage the furor of the people that were protesting against the police actions. >> as we await the remarks by the marror, given the background, how should the administration and response to the shootings over the weekend? >> bill brat on has to try to get things calmed down. it's not good for the city that the police department is in a virtual war with city hall. he has to get it calmed down. the mayor will try to do the same. he has to bring calm to his department and that will take time and leadership. i believe he has that and that's what he will have to face. >> thank you very much. we are seeing the mayor arrive at the podium. he has not started speak. he will momentarily. let's take a quick listen to what the mayor is going to say. >> the da returns to his seat, i

wanted to start by thanking all of you for supporting our police, for supporting our children. those two missions go hand in hand. they are expressed most pully by the work of the police athletic league. that work couldn't happen in neighborhoods all over the city if it weren't for all of you. i want to thank you for doing the right thing by our city by helping us come together and moving forward. i have to say, i love that story you just told. i love that you kept that quarter for that young girl. you are an honest and good man and it epitomizes the city and the rule of law for the healing of people and the service to your nation and world war ii. i can't think of a man who

epitomizes the service and we hope to build together bob morguan thal. let's thank him. i want to talk about this organization and some of the people here. i have to first talk about what's going through our hearts right now and what we are all feeling. no one is feeling it more than two families together. commissioner brat on and i just came from visiting the family of officer ram owes aos and the fa officer lew and we ghan with them a few nights in the hospital when they experienced the worst possible moment any family could with no warning. their loved one was gone. their father, their husband,

their son, their brother. just one moment and they were gone. commissioner brat on has has gone on this mission many times to console families. it's newer in my life, but i can tell you, it's one of the most difficult elements of the jobs we do, is to try and help these families that have suffered so wrongly, to try and help them in that moment and to let them know we'll be with them every moment thereafter. something this city believes in. something the nypd believes in. these families are now our family. and we will stand by them. they're suffering. they're suffering an unspeakable pain right now. it's impressive when somehow people can put on a brave face. in the conversations we had, you can tell there's a lot of fear

of what the future will hold, and we let them know that we would be there with them. people such as the good people in this room would be there for them. that we would never forget them. we would certainly never forget the sacrifice of officer ramos and officer liu who stood for everything good in this society. we have to understand the attack on them was an attack on all of us. it was an attack on our democracy. it was an attack on our values. it was an attack on every single new yorker. we have to see it as such. there's a lot of pain. it's so hard to make sense of it. how one deeply troubled, violent individual could do this to these good families.

and i think it's a time for everyone to take stock that there are things that unite us. things that we hold dear as new yorkers, as americans. we all see the world through the prism of our own families. it's time for people to take stock of this moment. our first obligation is to respect these families in mourning. our first obligation is to stand by them in every way we can. and i call upon everyone to focus on these families in these next days, which so painfully are also a time we usually think of as one of the high points of the year, a moment of celebration, a moment of faith, a moment of goodness that they're so deeply scarred by this tragedy. but in these days, we still have to find that goodness.

so i think it's important that regardless of people's viewpoints, that everyone recognize it's a time to step back and just focus on these families. i think it's a time for everyone to put aside political debates. put aside protests, put aside all of the things that we will talk about in due time. but in the coming days, two families prepare for funerals. two families try to think about how to piece their lives back together. that should be our only concern. how do we support them? i ask any organizations that were planning events or gatherings that are about politics and protests, that can be for another day. let's accompany these families on their difficult journey. let's see them through the funerals. then debate can begin again.

until that time it is our obligation to respect them. and let's see this attack as not only on all of us as citizens, it's an attack on all police and the family of the nypd is feeling this deeply. not just their comrades in arms of the two officers in the 84th precinct, but beyond, every member of the nypd, every retired member of the nypd are feeling this so personally, so deeply. let's respect the family of the nypd as they go through their mourning and take a moment when you see a police officer to thank them, to console them, because it is personal for them. take a moment to console them as you would one of the members of the families of officer ramos and officer liu.

i want to talk about this organization, because i think in the work you do is a message to all of us about where we need to go. my colleagues who spoke before talked about the history. the organization founded 100 years ago because there was a need to bring police and community closer together. particularly police and young people. 100 years ago, a century ago, these same challenges existed. we spoke about those moments of tension in the past, those flash points. they're not new to us. that doesn't make our mission any less urgent. it's a seeming contradiction but it's one we have to grapple

with. it's not new. it's one across generations. that does not make our mission any less important. that can't rob us of our hope, our resolve. the work of bringing police and community together is sacred. slowly but surely we move forward. sometimes we are pained in a difficult moment, but we can't ever stop. you know, i have had many moments in this last year that gave me pride. the opportunity to name bill bratton police commissioner was for me at the very top of the list, to offer to the people of the city the finest police leader there is and a man who has devoted his entire life, not only to all of our safety but to our healing. no one understands more deeply, no one is more committed to the ideals of this organization -- >> you're hearing live comments

from mayor bill de blasio saying these families are our families and urging everyone to take stock to respect these families and to essentially hold off on some of the political debate that has been taking place. we're now back with michael daley here. what's your reaction to the mayor's comments? >> he's absolutely right. you have to focus on these families. have you to respect these families. you notice that they welcomed him into their home. so, apparently, not all of the nypd is at war with the mayor. the ramos family had wondered why the governor had been by, but the mayor hadn't. so, i think until after we pass past those funerals and a decent period of mourning, we should hold off. he's absolutely right. but there will come a time when he's going to have to examine how he got to that point with the police. he's saying now we should go up

and thank officers. we should have been thanking them before. the question is, what does he do now? i'm hoping he's talking to robert morganthal, the imminent former district attorney. i hope he says after lunch, what do i do? >> is there any way to have this debate about reforming police but at the same time not taint it with these acts of violence we're seeing? is there a way to not conflate the two issues? >> of course. you don't judge all officers by the action of a few. it's never right to judge people by what they are, not who they are. and chanting -- by the way, right by the 84th precinct, they were chanting, you know, how do you spell murder? n-y-p-d. how do you spell racist? n-y-p-d. that's not a way to get anywhere. >> let me bring in michael real quick. your reaction to the mayor's comments there? >> it was a good speech. he recognized he had to focus on

the families. it's good for him politically because he gets to punt some of the issues, has as michael said, he has to come back and grapple with. you ask, can this be done, can you have a dialogue? you can have a dialogue with the police and the leadership of the city but you cannot have a productive dialogue if at the same time there are those close to city hall or from city hall that are also part of this movement that are creating this friction with the police department. then you're going to have unproductive talks. >> michael daley and michael sheehan, thank you both for joining us. you've been listening to comments by mayor bill de blasio talking about the tragedy of this weekend. once again, saying this is a very difficult time. and saying the time right now is to focus on the families of these two people, emphasizing that new york, the city of new york, the mayor's office, will be with them going forward. he said, these families are our families now. so, we'll be following this story. in fact, that wraps up things for us on this edition of "ronan

farrow daily ". "the reid report" is next. welcome to "the reid report" this monday. i'm richard liu in for joy reid. we start with developing news this hour involving the case of two new york city police officers murdered over the weekend. last hour new york city mayor bill de blasio spoke to the police. >> we have to understand the attack on them was an attack on all of us. it was an attack on our democracy. it was an attack on our values. it was an attack on every single new yorker. and we have to see it as such. >> well, the mayor also has a news conference at 3:30 p.m. eastern with police commissioner bill bratton. the mayor spent part of the day visiting families of the fallen officers. community leaders also held a memorial and prayer service in honor of officers liu and ramos. business city police depart