tv Lockup Holman MSNBC December 22, 2014 11:00pm-12:01am PST
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america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down! >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman, extended stay."
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prison is a lonely place for any inmate. relationships that existed on the outside are strained. >> if she wants to call it off, then tell me. let me know something. >> and the ones that blossom within the prison walls are often dangerous. >> i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. you know that regardless, someone is going to make a play for you. >> or they can be a one-sided obsession, leading to nothing but trouble. >> i don't know what you got in your head. let it go. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> the holman correctional facility is home to close to 1,000 inmates. all of whom are categorized by their behavior.
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the best behaved are in the coveted honor dorm. inmates who behave badly are sent to the administrative segregation unit. >> segregation is an area we have roughly 200 inmates. and these -- all these inmates are individually celled and they're all here because they broke a rule, infraction, here in prison. >> human contact in segregation is extremely limited and interaction with others is at a minimum. this deprivation can take its toll on an inmate both physically and mentally. >> you have a lot of inmates back there have been in single cells for a long time. and they of course build up hostilities. it's a highly explosive area. >> i did not do what they said i did. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ].
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>> right now! >> that's just another typical day in seg. that's part of it. >> these officers work here on a daily basis, they deal with these inmates and you build up a relationship with these inmates. some are good, some are not so good. >> most people say when i started i wouldn't make it three days. so i had a point to prove and i proved it. then they said i wouldn't make sergeant and if i did, i wouldn't be a successful sergeant. so i like to say, i made another point and i'm proving it. everything about it is a challenge. it's not a normal job where you just learn something and you do it. nothing's ever the same. you make a decision today for one incident.
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tomorrow may be the same incident, but you have to make a different decision. >> working in ad seg, sergeant banks has to deal with many problematic inmates. >> put me in my cell, nobody going to [ bleep ] on my head. >> i deal with jammy bell, i'm dealing with issues only. bobby gilbert, i don't have problems with. i know the problems other people have. >> does any particular inmate give you a particular problem? >> yes. >> who? >> terrence mosley. >> he says he's infatuated with me, he's obsessed with me, he'd do anything for me.
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>> you didn't get into trouble all weekend? >> he likes to masturbate at the same time, all the time. >> didn't you show yourself this weekend to the officer? >> they ain't going to let you stand here and expose yourself, you leave the door open. you expose yourself to the officers neither. any way you look at it it's wrong, why you keep doing that? >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> no, it ain't. >> i show to it you. i show to it you. a man wants to see another man [ bleep ], that's like the worst form of disrespect if you ask me. >> you ain't got nothing to see. >> [ bleep ], i show it to anybody. >> now with female, if it's a female that excites me sexually, you know what i'm saying, i tend to expose myself to them because they'll like it some more, right? she said i was masturbating.
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a lot of people around here, they ain't against homosexual activity. right? it's cool, right, to a lot of people. but i ain't going to participate in it. they can say what they want to say. i'm going to continue to masturbate. it's just a thing i got for women, know what i'm saying? okay, i got to go through all this difficult, i like women, i got to go too. coming up next on "lockup: extended stay," a soured relationship lands this inmate in prison. >> my ex-husband, my deceased husband, he was standing there. i just stabbed him. >> and later, terrance moseley reaches the breaking point. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ].
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k-14. >> inmates at the holman correctional facility who are found violating the rules are brought into a disciplinary hearing to determine their punishment. >> been referred to disciplinary by correctional officer everett for possession of a contraband. circumstance violations are as follows. inmate did have in your possession, two set of dice. one red and one white and one tube of lipstick. do you wish to plead guilty or not guilty? >> i plead guilty. >> sign that right there. you know your release from segregation is pending the seg review board, right? >> yes, sir. >> take the inmate back to his cell. i recommend loss of visitation privileges.
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>> what was the big infraction, dice and lipstick? tell me the problem? >> well, the dice, the thing of the dice is they go down there, get the gambling, then they'll lose something that they don't have to give back. the lipstick comes to the homosexual activity that goes on within the facility. we try to keep that down to as little as we can keep it down to. >> why? >> it causes them to want to fight over the homosexuals. most of the time when you have an incident it will be something to do with fighting over cards. dice. they'll fight over a homosexual relationship. >> i have a complex about being called gay or homosexual. okay, i know that i was born a male, i know that. that i can know. but i live as a woman. i see myself as a woman. i like to be respected and dressed as a woman.
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my ex-husband, my deceased husband, he was very overprotective. he just insisted beating on me. beating me, beating me. i manipulated to get away from him. ran up to the kitchen. you know, they had this knife set. the biggest handle that i seen, i grabbed it. and i ran outside. he was standing there. i just stabbed him. he fell. i stabbed him again. they grabbed me. and i was covered in blood. they called the police. i still had the knife in my hand. they came.
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they retrieved the knife. and -- handcuffed me. i've been locked up ever since. >> once locked up, marcus was quick to develop prison romances and is currently on her third prison marriage. >> i see him as a man, a straight man, that's how i see it. you know? he is a man. he's my husband. i am a woman, i am his wife. >> let me wrap my hair down. >> we exchanged vows. you know. he opened his matter to me, opened my heart to him. we vowed to be best friends. for life. >> marcus' husband is new to prison relationships and asked that his identity not be revealed. >> i have a son that's 28 years old that i feel like wouldn't
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understand the situation right now. that's the only reason that my identity is hidden. i never thought in a million years i'd be in a relationship like this. in prison, it seems like she's the woman, i'm the man. and just -- in a relationship. she's gay. and that's it. now on the outside, i'm gay, she's gay. you know. i never been in any -- i still haven't been in any -- i still haven't been able to accept that. >> i'm his first. i'm his first prison wife. and i can understand why he's a little shaky about it. you know what i'm saying? >> marcus is in ad seg for getting into a fight with another inmate. and while she's there, she's not allowed to communicate with her husband. >> the hardest thing about being in lockup is not being able to sit and talk to him.
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he's just -- he's my everything. he's my everything. >> if you could say anything, what would that be, tell me now. >> i would let her know that i love her. miss her. need her. waiting on her. >> in order to get out of ad seg, marcus must be put on a release list. one of the people who can put her on this list is deputy warden patterson. >> just let me out of this lockup to be with my best friend. >> what is it, marcus? >> i'll take the most restrictive probation that you all have -- >> june 14th you'll have your 90 days. and at that point we can possibly consider you for population. if you don't have an enemy situation. do you have an enemy situation? >> no, sir.
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you know i don't have an enemy situation. >> let me see your hand. cut them nails. yes, sir. >> i'll be so glad when they let me out of this lockup and i'm going to give him the best life you could imagine. you don't want to be interviewed? >> coming up -- marcus pleads with the warden to be let out of ad seg. >> i learned my lesson. >> i ain't convinced right now though.
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with one another. so they invent ingenious ways to have conversations with their friends. alan clark has recently been transferred to holman and hasn't formed any friendships with the inmates there. but he does have a relationship with someone on the outside. >> for 15 years i didn't have anybody to come see me or write me or anything like this. and then came [ bleep ]. she is -- she's a darling, you know? she's -- she's -- she's the love of my life. i miss her something terrible. you just wouldn't believe. you know. i really miss her. last year, in september, i became real sick. i had been sick all that day.
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when i got to the infirmary they took my blood pressure and found that it was real, real low. and they rushed me to the emergency room. but -- i met a nurse there. and when she walked into the room and we made eye contact, i knew, you know, that she was going to be my girl. you know. when we started seeing each other i said, i've got life without parole, i may not ever get out. and she told me, she says, you let me worry about that. finally, you know, one day on the visiting yard up here, you know, when she come to see me. i got down on my knee. and i asked her, would you marry me? and she says, yes. so i said, okay, then i'll put in a request for marriage. so i did. as it stands right now, last count, the chaplain said that i was the ninth in line.
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>> until he is wedding day, alan must rely on letters to communicate with his fiance. but before he opens his mail it must undergo a meticulous screening process. >> good morning, holman mail room. if it does,n't have dorm numbers ais numbers, they can't have it. doesn't have a name on the return address, they can't have it. doesn't have a return address at all, they can't have it. they're not allowed to have any kind of nude pictures. pictures that are sexually explicit. that's not allowed. when i was going through the mail, i was looking at the envelope. and i notice it was like a big sticker. i took the letter opener. peeled it. and when i did. nude picture.
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i was like, okay, well, that's rejected. at first i was like, okay. the nudity pictures, now it really don't bother me. i'm used to it. it's just like a normal routine. i go through it. look at it. okay. reject it. we had one woman, three weeks in a row, she purposely hid her nude pictures behind cards. she would like open them up on the inside, then try to glue them back down. she'd paste them behind other pictures of like her children. that -- that's a great one, i love that one. so, she kept doing that. i mean, it was every day i was opening them. i took it to the warden. and he banned her from corresponding for 90 days with him. and she has to write for permission to start writing him again. and he also took away her visitation rights with him. when it goes to that extreme measure, that's when they pretty much learn, i can't do, this i can't get it by, so they leave
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it alone and they don't too much do it anymore. >> we are in the room. waiting on your arrival. >> meanwhile, marcus thomas has been writing warden culliver and she's granted him a meeting. she hopes to be reunited with her husband. >> what's going on with your man? >> he's maintaining. i mean -- it's hard for him. he want me out there with him so bad. just as bad as i need to be out there with him. we've been writing each other back and forth. but -- i mean, really, we just -- haven't had enough communication with each other. i really don't know. i'm not there with him. i don't know. >> marcus, what's up with you? >> they want to do an interview with me.
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and -- >> you don't want to be interviewed? >> that's the question. >> what question have they asked you? >> have i seen [ bleep ]. >> that caused you to cry? >> because it hurt me! >> because they asked you if you had seen [ bleep ], it hurt you. [ bleep ]. >> it hurts. i swear. it hurts. >> marcus. marcus. marcus. you are not going to win any academy award. [ bleep ]. quit that crying. i don't want to hear you crying. i'm just going to go on back. i didn't want to talk to you about this. they wanted to talk about you being released to general pop. i am not going to listen to you cry about some other damn man. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> last time you were in population, how long did you stay? three, four months. boat of the times you was in
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population you caught yourself being with one individual, yes or no? >> yes, sir. >> you call yourself being with one individual, do you not have people coming after you all of the time? yes, or no? yes or no? >> well, yes. >> whether you say they're your problems or not. i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. you know that regardless, somebody is going to make a play for you. why should i turn you out to pop? >> please, just give me a chance, please. >> don't beg me. i don't want you to beg me. i want you to give me one good reason why i should turn you out to pop. >> because i made a change. i'm not coming back to lockup. i promise i'm not coming back. please. just let me show you. >> i'll think about it. i ain't convinced right now, though. the reason i'm not convinced is in the past, your past tells me
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if you go to general population, you got about 60 to 90 days in general population and there will be problems. that's what history tells me. >> i bet you're wrong this time. i bet you're wrong. >> listen. >> it's just unfair. it's unfair. >> coming up -- terrence mosley gets written up again. but this time it's not for indecent exposure. >> alan clark's fiancee may be getting cold feet. >> i asked her if she was still interested in getting married. would you look to hear how the conversation went?
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i got two 45s and shoulder holsters. i came, i saw, i conquered in latin. i want to go get the rest of my chest covered. have the whole shirt. whenever i get out i will work on the rest of it. >> after six weeks of shooting at holman correctional facility, our crew went to check up on terrence moseley, an inmate who has repeatedly exposed himself to officers. we weren't prepared for what happened next. >> i done told you all to stay the [ bleep ] away from my cell. >> you wanted to say something -- >> i said i wanted [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. look here, bitch! stay out of my cell. what's wrong with you? >> come on, let's go. >> the reason he did this is
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because on a particular day, sergeant banks and myself, we were walking pier call, and he was masturbating, and i had to use force with my baton, i hit his arm and broke his arm. he told me then he was going to get me. on this particular day we were feeding inmate terrence mosely and he threw a tray in my face. so i guess he got me. >> what started as an obsession with sergeant banks escalated into a grudge match between terrence moseley and officer montgomery. >> i don't know what we do with that terrence mosely. he's been a problem with officers, he got into it with two officers on third shift same way he did with you today. you had a problem with him before. i don't know what the solution is for that individual. if we can find any way to get him to start complying with the rules and quit being such a troublemaker. disciplinary action doesn't seem to be having any effect on it. that's the only tool we really got.
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we're past the days where we can roll the door, go in there and whip him. we can't do that stuff anymore. we have to find other ways to try and get him in compliance. >> like you said, keep writing him up. >> hope eventually he'll come around and do different. i don't really see the hope for it. >> while officers hope to change terrence mosely's behavior for the best, another inmate's future may have taken a turn for the worse. >> alan clark is in lockup. he's an inmate we're going to go see. he didn't know whether his fiancee was going to marry him or not. he was under the impression that they were okay. but apparently she hadn't returned any letters when he had written her. so, apparently there was something wrong. he had me call her to find out if they still wanted to get married. alan. when you get a second, down what this is about?
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have you had an opportunity to talk to [ bleep ]. >> no, i haven't heard from her. >> you told me to give her a call. concerning you guys getting married. all that type of stuff. well, i had called her. and when talking to her, she sounded pretty upset. and i had asked her if she was still interested in getting married. she said, married? i said, yeah, alan's been wanting to get married for a while, i understand it. i want to see if you guys would still like to get married. she said, in emphatic terms, "absolutely not." so i don't know how all that sits. apparently she's upset. did you know that she didn't want to get married? >> yes, she's the one that asked me. you know what i'm saying? she told me to put in the application for the marriage. that's the reason why i come to you and asked you, you know, about -- about going about getting married.
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>> what do you think changed her mind? >> i have no idea. >> she's noticeably upset. yeah. yeah. probably need to straighten that out, whatever miscommunication might be taking place. >> yeah. definitely. all right. >> okay. >> see you later. >> apparently she's mad at me for some reason. i don't know. i don't know why she's mad at me. this is news to me. you know? i mean, she -- she's the one that asked me to get the ball rolling on getting the marriage going, you know. and, you know, i don't know what -- what's happened. coming up, terrence mosley's problems forces the warden to take matters into his own hands. >> we came to the agreement, if you can keep your nose clean, then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that.
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i don't really know. it's stressful for him as it is for me. sometimes i just wish that it could be me and the one that i love. away, just me and him, away. away from all of this nonsense, you know? i'm just praying that he remains strong until i get there. >> while marcus thomas struggles with life in ad seg, her husband is struggling with whether this will succeed as a long-term relationship. >> i'm having a lot of mixed feelings. five, six months from now, who knows, we may be in different prisons. she being who she is, she'll always have to have a man supporting her. you know, that mess with me mentally, just knowing if we separated, she'd be with another man. we've been in relationship two
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years, couple of months. but i really can't say, like i said. it in we can be you know, our separate ways. >> alan clark is being moved to another cell in ad seg. it's been nearly two weeks since the chaplain told him his fiancee seems to have moved on. >> any communication from her? >> not as yet. i wrote her two letters. i asked her in the letter, you know, if she would write me and let me know what is really going on, you know. if she wants to call it off, then, you know, that's -- that's fine, you know. but -- tell me, you know? don't -- you know, let me know something. i don't really know what's going on.
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>> maintaining relationships can be difficult. but just getting into them can prove to be dangerous. inmate marion dent has been sent to the hospital for hitting on the wrong men. >> i had it in my mind. i wasn't going to go back to the street no more. my way of getting me a friend. then i started messing with homosexuals and things because they were taking the place of a female. >> marion's attempts at making contact with prospective partners hasn't always gone according to planned. >> i heard he was offering homosexual activity. so i want, you know, to talk to him about that, you know what i'm saying? the man took one blow and knocked me out. and then -- i -- an incident down there in one cell. i got stabbed up down there. oh, yeah.
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another inmate hit me in the head with a lock. then when a fellow hit me in the head with the lock, and i got stabbed in that one cell, good lord woke me and up told me, said hey, don't you think that's enough? give the lord one just minute. if you don't give him one second of your time, you don't know what you might be missing. give the lord some time. so i started going to church and i started getting off into christian studying, bible studying, stuff like that. i kind of started liking it. ♪ >> with marion becoming more and more involved in the church, he decided it was time to make a real commitment to the lord and get baptized. ♪ >> marion, if you would stand up here.
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stand here, watch your step. turn around, then you're going to step, put your feet down there, then sit. ♪ take me to the water ♪ to be baptized >> brother, based on your confession that jesus christ is lord and that you believe in your heart that god raised jesus from the dead, i'm going to baptize you right now in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit, amen. ♪ >> i'm a christian. i live for the lord. i gave my life to the lord. i gave my life to the lord. i want to walk the right path. ♪
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>> while marion dent has found the right path for him -- others have problems finding direction. warden culliver scheduled a meeting with terrence moseley to confront him on his recent incident. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> come on. >> what's your problem? >> i ain't got no problem. >> i got to get your attention one way or the other. i can't do nothing about that. the thought process, i can't let you, how am i going to let you out of lockup? >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. you haven't proved that to me. if you had been locked up for 90, you want to go back to pop, the thing you would have did is came down, did your time, let us straighten that out, you'd go to pop. you've seen that happen before. that's how we came to the agreement that if you can keep your nose clean, then i cut you
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loose. but you couldn't do that. >> i slipped. >> okay. it's a cons consequence for slipping. >> yeah. consequences of slipping. i know what it is. i'm saying i'm taking responsibility for what i did. >> i'm taking responsibility for what you did too. this its what you have to do, terrence. before we can talk about working the deal that we had before you slipped, you've got to do these 14 days. and you still, you're going to get disciplinary and all that stuff for that. >> i know that. i ain't trying to manipulate the system. just being straight up. if i do the 14 days this is the own thing i am asking for right now. if i do the 14 days i get a five-minute phone call to my mother. five minute. >> if i can talk to her first. >> you can call. you talk to her. then i take to her. >> deal. >> all right. >> all right. anything else? >> yeah, i'd like to apologize to her, right?
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>> okay. >> for yesterday. >> okay. do it. >> i apologize. for the way i behaved yesterday. >> you're ready. we'll just have to wait and see. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. coming up, desperate to get out of ad seg, marcus thomas becomes bold. >> life is so hard on me because i'm a homosexual. the only way you're going to know who's telling the truth, me or you, is you're going to have to let me out and let me show you.
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i've got good news. >> what's going on? >> they recommended my release this morning. they recommended my release. it's hotters in this elevator than it is in my cell. >> after nearly 17 months of waiting in ad seg, marcus thomas' meeting with captain kraft to discuss a release to general population. >> i can feel myself getting closer to my husband. >> marcus is optimistic her name is finally on the release list this time. >> if i put you on my list to get out of seg. is that what you are talking about? >> yes, sir. when you first got here. they met you like a herd of
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horses waiting on you. wasn't long before there started being a lot of confusion between two or three different guys. then all of a sudden these guys wanted to try to go to fighting over marcus. i honestly believe there's going to be problems. >> it's not going to be any problem. >> because the last time, two times you were down there -- >> life so is hard on me because i'm a homosexual. here it is i've only been involved in minor disputes -- >> it wasn't minor. >> two minor -- no one ever got hurt. >> wasn't minor. >> no one ever got hurt. >> wasn't minor. >> i really need to get back to population, i really do. and i promise you, i promise you captain, i am not coming back to this jail. i've gotten it together. i've gotten it all together. >> you can tell me you've got it all together but you can't tell me [ bleep ] going to do. >> yes, i can. >> no, you can't. >> yes, i can. i know him more than he know himself. he's not going to get into anything. >> the guy down the hall. >> the only way, the only way
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you are going to know who is telling the truth, me or you. you are going to have to let me out and let me show you. let me show you. >> that's true. i don't know if i want to take the chance. there's a lot of new guys down the hall. when you hit the hallway down there, there is going to be one of them saying, i got to have him, i'm going to have him. i don't want somebody down there with knives fighting -- >> that's not going to happen. it's never been that serious -- >> you can't promise me that. >> yes, i can. >> tell you what. i take all of this into consideration. if i find out you have caused problems down there or [ bleep ] get into it about somebody, about you, i'm going to lock you back up. >> i accept that. i will accept that very restrictful probation. >> let me think about it then. i'm get warden calleder and see if he'll agree with it also. >> i appreciate that. >> all right. >> thank you, captain. >> you're welcome. >> i feel a lot better. i feel a lot of relief.
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at least he tell me he will take it into consideration. he didn't just say. he'd have said no, i'd probably have broke down, come on, take me back. i don't want to talk to you any more. i'm ready to get to my husband. well, back to my hot little cell. >> clean that pigsty up. >> you leave my house alone. >> while marcus thomas may find her tenacity could reward her terrence mosley is about to be rewarded for his good behavior over the past two weeks. >> today i'm going to call your mom. that was part of the thing. let's say i talk to your mom. >> so really i'm doing you a favor, huh? >> on the one hand. >> warden culliver has been
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keeping terrence's mother aware of his behavioral problems. he hopes she can talk some sense into him and trig area permanent change. >> can i speak to miss mosely? hello. how you doing? i've tried to. for real, i be tried to, right? i just got that problem. i -- i still got that problem. it's a problem. she want to talk to you. >> yes, ma'am. appreciate it. we got a contract. i got a contract with him. that if he can go until november the 15th without getting a disciplinary, that we're going to try him in general population again. but, you know, that's something that he's just got to work on. and -- i don't know. we may make a couple months. if he continue to do well. i'll let him call you in a couple months.
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yes, ma'am. maybe we can get him a bible and just let him read the bible. yes, ma'am. thank you, ms. moseley. all right. you all right? >> i need a transfer. >> you need a transfer? so you'd rather have a transfer in november than to go to population? >> ain't going to make it, man. >> you ain't going to make it the six months? you know you ain't going to make it. >> i got a [ bleep ] temper, man, i ain't going to make it. >> i think he's touched right now. i think five hours from now, or this time tomorrow, i think he'll refer back to his mother. i think it kind of got him. shaken him. shakiness in his voice. i think he realizes she is not truly well. but i don't have a problem with him being transferred out. go to another facility. he is closer to his mom here
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than any other max facility we have. so i don't know. he's got to do it mentally. that's where it's at. >> after meeting with warden culliver, captain caft caft will deliver the final decision to marcus as to whether she will get out of ad seg. >> i'll go back down and talk to marcus and explain to him that we're willing to try, just not right now. >> here you go. how you doing this morning? >> all right. >> good. listen. i sat down and talked to warden culliver, what we had spoke about, about this contract, about you coming out of population. he agreed to let you out if you sign the contract. one catch right now. the warden won't turn you out right now. he wants to wait and turn you
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out late summer, early fall. lease willing to do it but it's going to be then. okay, that is agreeable? okay, all right. maintain yourself, now. >> you too. >> all right. talk to you later. >> i guess, well -- i'm looking at august, september. whoo, that seem like forever. but there is nothing [ bleep ]. nothing. nothing at all. nothing. nothing.
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america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down. >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman, extended stay."
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