effects. but it really is sort of stunning, how quickly. >> but there's less provocation, too. >> thank you all for joining us. that is "all in" for this evening. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy tuesday. so here is what she said about her husband. i'm quoting here. what she said exactly is he should be clean. he should be a roll model. in fact, though, he is the most crime-committing person i know. talking about her husband. her husband, at the time, was a serving member of congress. and, to this day, he remains the only member of congress to have ever served in that office while also wearing an ankle monitoring bracelet so the courts could keep track of his wrblts. after being convicted at the time were the largest campaign finance violation of all time. republican krae kcalifornia

congressman jay kim had the ankle bracelet put on him. he was able to go to work and his apartment. that was it. and to adjure to insult, the judge would only let him go home to his home in washington. so, by virtue of that judge's order, jay kim is the only known member of congress to have ever been precluded from campaigning in his district for re-election because he couldn't go to his district because he was under house arrest. sdm he's a convict. his wife won't support him. even his fellow republicans are ashamed of him. yet, krcalifornia congressman i still running for re-election today. >> to me, it's an embarrassment to him. >> i think he should have done the graceful thing and stepped out.

>> kim didn't go to the polls today. he can't. he cast his vote by absentee ballot. that's because he's effectively under house arrest ordered to dgo to washington with a monitoring device. >> due to unforseen circumstances, congressman kim can't be here in person. >> he sends staff out to speak for him. >> do you hear people saying where is he? >> oh, no. they think he's under house arrest. >> that's where they think he is because that's where he is. republican congressman jay kim was convicted while he was in officer. but even though he had been convicted, he refused to resign from congress. now, his wife did cooperate with the ethics committee and their investigation of her husband. she not only called him the most crime-kpliting bern i kn inin in i know, she was amazed that her husband was allowed to stay in

congress after he was convicted of committing a crime. what are you going to do? the congressman would not resign. congress itself seemed content to let him stay there, despite his conviction. finally, it was the voters who couldn't stand it anymore. in that primary, when he couldn't go to his own house, in that primary election that night, his con stitch wents fie finally voted him out. he is a little bit of an exceptional case because of the ankle brace let and all the rest of it that. is rush e usually how these sort of things end. usually, an indictment is enough for the voters to say good-bye.

a congressman who was sentenced to more prison time than any congressman in the history of the united states, democratic congressman jefferson. he was the guy with the bricks of money wrapped in aluminum foil and hidden in his freezer. he was voted out and convicted in 2009. incidentally, william jefferson is still in prison for his crimes today. even when they do not see their own indictment, even if a member of congress doesn't get, usually the voters can be counted onto do the usual thing. there was a guy named buzz lukins who served forever. served for decades. he actually ran for re-election after being convicted of a crime of having sex with a minor. he was convicted. he said he was sorry.

he thought the voters with e would be fine with it. the voters were not fine with it. usually somebody can be counted onto do the right thing. so convicts do not wind up serving as members of the united states congress. sometimes, you have to count on the voters. the member of congress can't see it. more frequently, the member of congress him or herself can't see it. even if whatever is wrong with them that were used to commit the crime, usually, they take it upon themselves to resign once they've been convicted. or that they're going to be convicted.

resignation is how we lost congressman trey radehl. at least duke had the decency to resign after he pled guilty. congressman bob nay of ohio. yes, he had to go to prison, but even with all the things with him, he had to go to resign from congress. those are off-the-top of your head, koent even have to look it up recent ones. members who got convicted have been quitting congress in disgrace for almost a hundred years. when people get caught, when they get convicted, they still have the decency to quit.

we don't have felons serving in the united states congress. and it's not because the constitution precludes it. the constitution does not guilty preclude it. the constitution says the only qualifications that somebody can put on someone serving in the united states congress is they have to be of age, have u.s. citizenship and be in the state that they get elected. that's it. there's no restriction on serving in congress. the only reason we don't have convicted felons serving in congress in this country is because generally, our convicted felons have the decency to quit their jobs in the united states congress once they get convicted. not in staten island, though. >> so congressman grim does not want to talk about some of the

allegations con concerning his campaign finances. >> that was congressman michael grim threatening to throw a reporter off the balcony in the u.s. press gallery like a boy. i quote, like a boy." what is that? even after that, staten island did not have the decency to vote

against congressman michael gram. he was up for re-election, by that point, with a 20 count federal indictment hanging over his head. the prosecutor who brought those charges is loretta lynch who is president obama's nominee to be the next attorney general of the yietsds. when she first indicted michael grim on those 20 felony counts, he said he would fight the charges. said there was no way he was gmt of anyone. he was definitely, definitely nent. >> they're going to fight tooth and nail. we''re going to fight tooth and nail until i am fully kpon rated. we will fight these charges and congressman grim will be vindicated. >> congressman grim is not vind ated. he is not innocent or does he believe he is innocent.

after he pled gmt today to a felony charge, he then said that he is not going to resign from congress. he is now a convicted felon. he is due to be sentenced in june to -- he's looking at -- oh, i don't know, a year, two years in prison, something like that, but he's not resigning. he wants to stay in congress. and his district is apparently happy for him to stay. it was only a few weeks ago that they re-elected him by a 13 point margin even though he had a 20 count felony against him. now he is not just charged with felonies, he is a convicted felon. he has pled guilty. and as a convicted felon saying he will not leave his congressional seat, now we are entering into almost uncharted

waters. usually, what we count on is human decency. to at least know that once convicted of a felony, it is inappropriate for you to serve as a member of the united states congress. michael grim does not know that. he does not see that. he does not see any connection between pleading guilty to a felony and maybe resigning from congress. because michael grim is not going to do the decent thing here, instead, it is going to be up to this guy. and this is probably not what john boehner wants to be the first order of business when he takes over in january with the new congress. but it kind of looks like it might be.

and this is a fairly unusual thing. congress almost never has to forcibly expel somebody out of congress who will not quit despite a felony conviction. since the civil war, t e it only happened twice. it was also this time of 1798 when they came within two votes because a congressman spit in another congressman's face on the south floor. there have been two instances where a convicted felon serving in congress did not quilt or get forced out by his constituents. michael myers was one. that was one. the only other one was crazy jim

traficant who died this year in a bizarre tractor accident after completing his seven-year sentence on many, many federal corruption charges and getting thrown out of congress when he refused to resign. but that's it. for the past 150 years. that's it since the confederacy in terms of guys who the congress has had to throw out against their will because even though they were convicted of a felony, they wouldn't quit. now u thanks to this guy, that is what john boehner will have on his play, day one for the new republican congress. merry christmas. happy new year. frank, it is great to see you. joan boehner has this on his plate in a political sense. can john boehner force michael

grim out of congress is grim digs in and says he's not going to resign? >> no, the leadership can't force any member of congress to resign or step down. typically, what they usually do is try to make it very unpleasant for the members of congress to make it unplez sant for testimony to take away committees of them. leadership doesn't have that car to play anymore. the next step here would have to be an ethics committee investigation. as you were mentioning earlier, a vote on expulsion. >> i started reading some of the house rules and the precedent in terms of how they tried to at least make things uncomfortable or at least take power away from members of congress who have been in these very compromised

positions. could they do stuff like take away his officer? i'm just wondering if they think an ethics proceeding is going to be so politically annoying, do they have other, i guess caddier options? >> the house rule technically is allowed for, if you eve been convicted or the member of congress has been convicted of a crime that allow two years or more of jail time, there's a clause in there that would say that that member of congress should not vote. it doesn't i have any teeth in it. just because he's a convicted felon doesn't mean that he can't

be a member of congress. but, at the same time, the etices committee investigation could very well happen p. it's been expected to happen since the justice department is investigating congressman grim. once they doo start to return to that investigation, if there is this kind of ground swell of feeling that congressman grim should probably go, they could send that motion to expel him from congress to the house floor. and that would take two-thirds majority to those members who are actually voting to pass it. >> and they could move that fastz, if they wanted to, particularly given his guilty plea. >> one other question for you. obviously, the capitol is empty, everybody has headed home for this holiday break. it's a break between congress. this is supposed to be a time when it's sort of a flat line in terms of congressional negotiations and stuff. do we know anything in tierms o what negotiations or

conversations might have happened already between michael grim and other republican leadership that might be trying to get him out? boehner's office has said that they've not spoken to grim. they're waiting to speak to boehner before they make any decisions. i any they're waiting to see what members are saying. i think that they also probably are waiting until after the holiday. they don't want to go, as you noted, they don't want to go into the new year with this bigger, stronger, republican majority and have to deal with democrats going on every press conference every week saying you have a republican conference that has a convicted felon

voting on the house floor. that's just not a message that they want to put out there. not to mention one of their biggest objectives is tax reform and congressman grim was gist pled guilty to tax evasion. so i think that they really kind of want to goat rid of this quickly. ideally. but it's really, technically, up to congressman grim. >> that's exactly right. and he, as we know, is the most stubborn man on earth. so this is going to be -- this is not what i expected today be talking about in the break between the two congresses. thank e frank, thank you so much for your clarity on this. i really appreciate it. thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> i've got to say, whenever we show the clip of michael grim threatening to throw the reporter off of the balcony, you know, you do -- we don't have a balcony. i don't think he's going to throw me off of the balcony. seeing that as a reporter, you do think, like, where is he now? we'll be right back.

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this was the scene just moments ago in new york city. see the tree lights going up there? right at the top of the hour, the christmas tree purposely went dark. they dimmed the lights in order to honor the two n.y.p.d. police officers who were murdered on saturday. it's one-on-one of dozens of landmarks that dimmed their lights tonight for five minutes starting at 9:00's terrible. tern. that honor tonight followed a moment of silence at city hall at 2:47 p.m. chrwhich is the ti of day which those police officers were shot. new york in mourning. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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mehere's a thing that happed that just does not make sense. it's when the news might announce something that doesn't make sense. instead, they broke the news early today. the holiday hant started yet. the news hasn't gone home for the weekend yet. we're the news. we're still here. and this news makes no sense. it's about a guy who is leaving his job right now without an explanation. and he's leaving a job that requires an explanation. the man's name is cliff sloan who has just announced that he's

unexpectedly resigned. before he got that job in the two years prior to him taking his job, the united states required to transfer two prisoners out of guantanamo out of two whole years. president obama decided to speed that up and he hired cliff sloan to work on that issue. to find places around the world that would take guys from guantanamo who the united states government says are safe to be released. cliff sloan has been pretty good at that. in the year and a half since cliff sloan took that job, it's been 34 guys who have been sent home or at least sent to somewhere. and of the 34 guys who cliff sloan has found a home for around the world and the year and a half that's he's been on the job, half of them, 17 of the 34 have been sent home just since last month. so, right now, they're really on

a roll in terms of sending guys home from guantanamo. on november 5 et, they sent a guy to kuwait. on november 20th, they sent many guys to tunisia, to gae ga and slovakia. on noef 22nd, they sent e sent someone to saudi arabia. just this weekend, they sent four more g guys home to afghanistan. the wall street journal says that they're going to continue since the beginning of november. the obama administration is preparing a flurry of additional prison transfers in the coming weeks. after nobody getting out, ever, basically, now, all of the sudden, they've broken the log jam. and guys are finally getting out. if your job is sending guys home from guantanamo, then your job is going pretty well.

and the job of that guy is cliff sloan. and cliff sloan just quit the state department. the administration doesn't have somebody in mind to replace him, let alone somebody lined up and ready to go. he's just leaving. and nobody is explaining why he's going. what's going on here? this makes no sense given what he does. something else has to be going on here. i would tell you to watch this space because we're going to figure it out, but actually, watch guantanamo, instead. presumably, that's where if answer is going to come from. some day. , toughest cold symptoms. vicks nyquil severe. with maximum symptom fighting ingredients. ♪

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the questions are kind of amazing. they range from the very obvious, is this the place where i ask questions i can't get answers to? they range from things like that to the much less obvious. this is a good one. any statistics on the life span of the abandoned woman? the new york public library has started posting some of these online. some of the questions, ef enback in the day, could only be acressacress dressed with a certain level of librarian snark. >> no, madame, jules verne did not write alice in wonder land. if you want to know who did write alice in wonderland, file another card, sherlock. if you love librarians, and

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the harlem movement is oprah. she is winsome, she is kind, she is reasonable, she is utterly deceived. utterly deceived. a classy woman, a cool woman, a charming woman. but has a spirit of deception. and she is one of the clear pastors, forerunners, toet har lot movement. >> he discovered that he could not get straight soldiers to be savage and brutal and vicious enough to carry out his orders.

but that homosex you soldiers, basically, had to limits in the savagery and brutality they were willing to imflikt on whoever hitler sent them after. he surrounded himself x virtually all of the storm troopers, the brown shirts, were male or homosexuals. >> so rick perry was the headline speaker for those nice folks and their event in august, 2011. and what amounted to the kickoff campaign in his run for president. it was a prayer rally at reliant stadium in houston. endorsed by the really right wing of the religious right and hosted by this mississippi group called the american family association. if you've heard of the american family association, it's because this very quotable guy, who you just saw, is their national spokesman. >> alternative religions to

christianity have no first amendment right to religion. >> kicking off his week, he announced his run for the presidency with that guy did not work any magic for oops perry's presidential campaign that time around. maybe he's not going to try that again. but it started to look like this guy is going to try again. bobby jindell is going e doing all the things he needs to do. and bobby jindell has now announce his own plans to headline this year's version of the american family association rally that rick perry tried the last time. >> it's time to light the spark that puts these united states of america back on the right path.

>> the response. this american family association event hosted and headlined by louisiana governor bobby jindell for january 2 hth, to help people prepare for that big rally in january, the organizers of the response, the american family association, they put out a prayer guide, which i should tell you is just the same prayer good they put out for the rick perry event in 2011 in texas. the prayer guide for this event blames the tragic events of hurricane katrina on abortion, on homosexuality being embraced as an alternative lifestyle, on same-sex marriage rights and on pornography being available on demand tru the internet. because of that stuff, because america has strayed from foundations in christianity, hurricane hit louisiana. that's the prayer good in baton rouge.

in is the group that's bringing their revival show to lae la. when the local press started pressing them, really? you want to blame hurricane katrina on what now? they took it off the event. they replaced it for a letter with another american association guy who blames 9/11 on homosexuality. maybe they think that will go better in louisiana than blaming the hurricane on the existence of gay people, they'll blame 9/11 on the existence of gay people. maybe 9/11 is further away? since the event at louisiana state university was announced, student groups at lsu have organized protests against him. the faculty senate say they want new restrictions on what campus facilities can be used for in the future. so maybe this won't happen again. but a long as events with the

american family association are how republican candidates have to start their runs for president. events like this are going to keep happening somewhere. they're good for something, aparentally. joining us now is professional kevin cope, the chair of the lsu systems council. thanks for being with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. i'll try to warm up after all of those chilling excerpts. >> i feel like we keep this sort of scary jukebox sort of things that american family association folks have said in the past. you've got to sort of roll it out as a remind r. governor jindel's staff said when he start getting questions, oh, listen, we didn't read everything e everything on the web site. we're not exactly sure how this was read. >> i think that the reception has been very chilly, indeed. and i might say the fact that the governor has not read the

material says something about his leadership. however, here, at the university, i think that everybody agrees that we should provide a venue for people to announce whatever views they've got to announce. i think the basic problem is the governor who is the nominal head ought to be acting in a way that is contrary to the public interest, contrary to the purpose of the yumpbuniversity contrary to the uplifting of the citizens of louisiana that the university is going to accomplish. >> in terms of the lsu venue here, obviously, the university like all academic and public institutions has an interest in, you know, not policing speech and not, you know, allowing people or disallowing people based on sitly the content of their views. that said, the american family association does, which is d the organizers of this event, does have the positions that seems, like, at least student groups on campus feel like are inconsistent with the ethos and

the rules of the road at lsu. what are the stunt protesters making their case about? and do you think ultimately, that they might imperil the prospects of this actually going forward on cam pugs? >> well, that is a definite possibility. under the louisiana law, could suspend an event if it were shown to be a threat of public safety. who knows, we may have a big turn out. wung e one thing i've tried to do is to stress the importance of making this event hospitable to protesters and demonstrators for where ever they might come. from the students, from the public, from citi groups, you name it. i hope what we don't see is an atecht to ice late the protesters or move them out of the view of the cameraingss or them otherwise exposure. i think the university is ready to 5:00 september almost any kind of view. but when it turns violent when it aims to get rid of people who are part of the university's

clie e clientele, that's when it steps outside the boundaries. >> by the time this is due to happen, is it going to br a full campus? >> they'll be barely back. the semester starts a day or two before. and i believe that the timing of this rally is not an accident. in other words, it was arranged, it was announced, it was discovered during the intersection when there weren't too many people around looking. there will be not much of a chance for people to organize ae any kind of protest among the students. never theless, we are going to see some adverse reaction among the student clie ten e tell, as well. >> this is obviously going to be an ips dent -- an event that's going to have some national attention because of your governor's national ambitions. but et's going to be amazing to watch down there in louisiana. thanks for helping us to understand what's going on. i appreciate it, sir. >> thank you very much, rachel. >> all right. your choice of holiday movies

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you wouldn't know it from first glance, but this, this right here, is a movie. not a movie for watching at home, but a movie for watching in an actual movie theater. theatre. when your multiplex decides to show a film, this is how it arrive, on a big hard disk in a comfy padded case delivered by courier. until not too long ago, films were on film, and a studio had to manufacture a film reel for every single theatre that wanted to show its movies. but in the digital age now, it is cheaper and more efficient to make thousands of digital copies of the film to ship out on hard drives. they load the hard drives as digital content and ship out the drives. some studios and theatre chains do deliver directly by satellite to theatre, b but most theatre, especially independent theatres and smaller chains get them in physical, hard drive form. and so today when sony picture

december sided it would reverse course and despite all the threats from the hackers, they would reverse course and release "the interview" on its original release date of christmas, they faced a tight delivery time. they're going to need to have the hard drives of the film on hand. and as anyone who is a last-minute holiday shopper knows, today is the last day you can send anything if you want to get to its destination before christmas. so they make the decision today, this morning, sony let theerts know, if you want to show "the interview" on christmas day, the day after tomorrow, we need to know today by 3:00 a.m. on the west coast because we've got to get this thing in the mail. and a bunch of theatres said yes. the alamo draft house chain will show the film in houston. and in the denver suburb of littleton, colorado, and a dozen other alamo locations across the country. the plaza atlanta theatre in

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closed, damaged, looted because of protests. schools have been closed for days at a time. but the ferguson library has stayed open. they gave teachers a place to hold ad hoc school days when the schools closed. in november when they announced there would be no charges in the killing of michael brown, the schools closed down again, just like they did during the protests after he was first killed. following a warning after the grand jury announcement, the ferguson library tweeted they would be open all day with wifi, water, rest and knowledge. >> the ferguson library put together what they would call library healing kits to help kids dealing with tough situations and information about local mental health services. that came with a stuffed animal, which you can keep. in the middle of this hard time for ferguson and kids in ferguson, right, families in

ferguson, ferguson library has become its own story. not just in ferguson, but actually around the country. it's become sort of a point of focus, particularly for people looking for some concrete way to try to help that community, right? a way to help a situation they other wise don't know what to do with. 4 this summer, so many people started calling the library ferguson asking how they could help the library recon figured its website to add a do nation button. and through that button, they raised $400,000, almost its entire yearly budget. people also sent the library books by the thousands. the library has ended up with hundreds of boxes of books that have been donated to them. and while libraries do love books and need books, they also need order, right? they need the books to be cataloged and shelved so readers can check them out so they can make sure they know what they've gotten. they've gotten more new books it can catalog with its one full-time librarian.

last saturday, volunteers started that process of the unpacking and sorting the books and writing thank you notes to the sender, but now what the library really needed was librarians who could do the trained librarian technical work of assigning each book its own unique spots in the vast universe of the modern library system. this is not something you or i could just do unless you've been lucky enough for library science. that job needs doing in foerg son right now for these piles of new books that have come in for these very emotional reasons. check this out. the proud father of a public school librarian got in touch with us the other day and told us about his son's plans to volunteer at the ferguson library over the holiday break. they're librarians back on the east week, but this week, they are volunteers in the library in ferguson, catering books for the special unity collection. they're not big on bragging about their work, they're just

doing what they can book after book. since, as they told us today, they have the time and the ability to do this job. librarians are kind of amazing when they go to work. this is what librabrarians do i their day off. best new thing in the world today. "the last word" with w lawrence o'donnell starts right now. >> talk about unsung heroes, librarians. thank you very much, rachel. well, the people have spoken. says who? seth rogan, that's who. >> breaking news tonight on this ongoing electronic attack on sony pictures. >> the individuals behind it were acting on orders from the north koreans. >> tonight, they know they got exactly what they wanted. >> sony has decided to pull the release of the film. all of thf is entirely unprecedented. ♪