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and kasie hunt and miky kay. founder and ceo of risk investigation company roman and associates, anthony roman. an faa licensed commercial pilot and former flight instructor. let's get to the latest on the search for air airborne fly plate 8501. >> at this hour the search continues to determine what happened to the plane and where it might be. it's focused near indonesia's island in the java sea. the search efforts include several planes and helicopters. loved ones are now anxiously awaiting any word on the flight which had 162 people onboard including 155 from indonesia. officials are not sounding optimistic about the outcome. the head of indonesia's search and rescue agency says it's

likely that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. here's what we do know. 5:35 sunday morning the airbus plane took off from indonesia's second largest city surabaya, for singapore. only the course change was approved. at 6:17 42 minutes into the flight contact was lost. no distress call was ever received. there was severe weather at the time in the area including high winds, thunderstorms, and lightning. those conditions mean the flight likely encountered severe turbulence not just within the thunderstorm but possibly for several miles beyond the storm. airline officials say the pilot of the plane had more than 20,000 hours of flying experience and the plane made more than 13,000 trips. >> let's get right to nbc news correspondent katie tur live in singapore. what's the latest in that area?

>> reporter: they've been searching all day but so far no word if they have seen any wreckage. they are halfway between indonesia and singapore. four countries are assisting in this search. malaysia singapore, indonesia is leading it and australia has given assistance. they sent a military patrol aircraft and it's the same one they were using to search for mh-370. weather does seem like it's a factor. it's cloudy here today so visibility is less than ideal. tomorrow it's supposed to rain and it's supposed to rain for the next few days. it's monsoon season in southeast asia so the wet weather will contribute to a difficult search effort on the water. they are hoping that if it is not in the water -- i know it sounds not too optimistic because the best educated guest is that it is under the java sea, they hope if somehow it

landed on land and there are quite a few islands in that area they are hoping there could be survivors. this is still very much a search and rescue operation. they have not called off the rescue operation as of now. they are continuing to continue to look as long as there is hope and as you would imagine the indonesian families waiting over at surabaya airport are hoping for a miracle and hoping something went right in this situation and that their family members could potentially be alive. as hours pass guys it starts to look worse and worse. >> the weather was a factor in the plane's sudden disappearance from the pilot. do we know if the weather is working in favor of the search and rescue effort? >> reporter: no, it's not working in favor at all. it's quite cloudy so visibility isn't great. it's going to rain tomorrow and the next day. monsoon conditions here in southeast asia so visibility is not great. weather will not help the search effort. weather was a factor when the

plane called the tower and asked to go to 38,000 feet. they wanted to avoid weather in the area because there was a line of thunderstorms. there were a lot of other flights that were flying that same flight path in that area who didn't have the same trouble. so it's a lot of -- there are a lot of questions right now exactly what went wrong. they have those black boxes and those pings on the black boxes you may remember from mh-370 to try to figure out where the plane could be under the water in the indian ocean. they have that at their disposal. it's not the time they'll look for that. they're still doing a search and rescue operation -- a search mostly on the surface of the water and on land to see if they can spot any wreckage. >> thank you very much. we'll check back with you throughout the morning. let's go to bill karins for a look at what role weather may have played in this. >> let me take you to the map and show you what happened as

the flight went missing. the flight took off from surabaya. the blue line on this map shows you the approximate flight path. a cluster of thunderstorms off to the east. we don't think that caused a problem. there was a line of storms east to west across the flight path. that is when the pilot when it approached that line of storms asked to request to go from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet. the plane itself has a radar. the pilot can see where the worst of the heavy rain echoes are or where the hail is and the pilot was going to try to navigate around those storms. unusual in this region of the country for the planes to go over these storms. these storms can go up to 50,000 feet. this plane was really only supposed to go up to 45,000 feet max. that wasn't an option to go over that line of storms. the pilot had to find a way through it. as we mention, this line of storms was in this region. as many as six other flights navigated through these storms

before this. here's the approximate search area that we're watching. halfway in between singapore there and surabaya. now the weather over the last two days has been actually relatively calm considering it's monsoon season but the forecast over the next two to three days our computers are estimating the rainfall possibilities. normally we don't care about rain over the ocean. we won't get flooding. when you do a search and you need visibility rain is the enemy. they could see as much as six inches of rain right over that search area where the words java sea is located. the weather is not going to cooperate over the next two days at least. of course you get low visibility with clouds and rain and thunderstorms with the winds and also make the seas choppy. even just trying to visually spot anything is going to be difficult for people even on ships in the water. >> all right. bill karins. anthony roman, one of the things that pops into a lot of people's minds is the question of why no call from the pilot? the plane is in trouble. we're in trouble. why no call? >> that's a common question but

it's not for pilots simply because the primary responsibility of all pilots is to maintain control of the aircraft. there's a mantra from day one of flight school. aviate navigate and communicate. communication is the very last thing you can do. frankly, air traffic controllers can do only very little to help a pilot in distress. they can help them navigate to an emergency airport or an open field or a highway. simply the pilots' responsibility, get that aircraft under control and get it to an airport where it can land safely. >> what do you think? >> i think this is -- the whole fact that there was no communication and communication doesn't just come in the form of radio transmission. communication can be the pilots or crews putting information on

the transponder allowing regional operators to see the unique identification code. so when it comes up it means there is an emergency. the aircraft has a problem and the whole world can see that and pull resources into it. the fact that none of this actually occurred is interesting. if we go back to air france 449 crash, the crew actually entered a catastrophic situation off the coast of brazil. it got into a situation where it plummeted into the ocean. it took just over two minutes to go from normal flight conditions into the ocean. the crew weren't aware of what's going on because a call didn't go out. >> why not? >> the icing iced up the pitot tube which gives air speed indicator the information it needs and it was giving them erroneous readings but they weren't aware of it because they were so focused to working with

computerized systems so that information wasn't found out until two years after the event. it took a long time to find the flight data recorder cockpit voice recorders, wreckage was found within a couple weeks but it took a couple years to find those because of the depths of the ocean. the java sea is much shallower than the search locations for air france 449 where we ended up with malaysia 370. that's a positive when it comes to this search and rescue operation. >> you have logged thousands of hours flying. if you're the pilot going into this storm, obviously this storm went in and asked for a course correction he asked to fly higher. he got one of those things and not the other. what's going through your mind as the pilot? what's the first steps you take when you realize you're heading into a situation like this? >> it's a great question. we must be aware the weather systems in this part of the world, the heavy storm cells, it's not unusual. pilots are very used to taking these forms of diversions speaking to air traffic so you

are right there's a protocol which they are used to. they have weather radar. it's an lcd screen that sits in front of them in the cockpit that detects heavy precipitation. magenta shows heavy and green shows light. about 160 miles the crew will have a discussion about which way they want to go. they never want to go over the top. as mentioned by bill cloud tops go to 50,000 feet. you have to clear the cloud tops by 5,000 feet and airbuses don't go that high so you look for a lateral separation and that will depend on fuel load. if they have an opportunity to go ten miles one way or 30 miles the other way, they'll go ten miles and get back on track and head back up. at 80 miles is about ten minutes flight time. they'll start making some real decisions because their guidance tells them they don't want to get within 20 miles of this thing and turn away by 20 miles because there are affects on the

airplane. those airplanes are st. almos fire. you get turbulence and turbulence is more severe toward the weather formation. also you get icing. icing doesn't necessarily affect the engines because they have these anti-icing things but you can get icing on the instruments which is what happened to air france 449. procedures and protocols are well practiced and that's what makes it slightly odd. >> he's tweeting regularly calling the flight's disappearance his worst nightmare. fernandez sent out a tweet saying his heart bleeds for the families of the crew and passengers. fernandez once worked as an accountant. he's the 28th richest person in malaysia and worth about $650 million. he said owning an airline was a childhood dream and he bought airasia which was $13 million in

debt for about 33 cents. airasia faced criticism after flight 370 disappeared. an article in the in-flight magazine told them to be confident their pilot would not lose their plane. airasia pulled the magazine and the story was published before the malaysian airlines went missing. flight 8501 is a series in a line of airline disasters this year. it's been nine months since flight 370 vanished over the indian ocean on its way to beijing. officials never found wreckage of that plane with 279 people onboard. four months later another tragedy for malaysian airlines. flight 17 was shot down over a rebel controlled region of eastern ukraine. u.s. and ukrainian officials blame pro-russian separatist. all people aboard that flight

died. malaysian airlines was losing millions of dollars but the tragedies led to major overhaul for the company. 116 people died when a plane crashed in northern mali july 24th. no survivors on that flight. officials are investigating the cause of that crash. >> moving on i mean the whole story is bizarre. it's totally bizarre. >> so many questions. and now with that explanation, i think people are going to be -- at least they'll look at it -- there's obviously a lot of elements and science and uncertainty to it and that will be tough for people to explain. there's a lot of experience in the hours that these people have experienced, the pilots at the same time certainly a lot of questions about mechanics behind it. >> i think what we've got to really stop ourselves from doing is jumping to this immediate conclusion that all of the symptoms are aligned. they are very different in a lot of ways. we knew over the days and months

as mh-370 went past it took serious and random tracks tracked by military radar. it took a 140-degree left-hand turn and then down. we couldn't actually track that using the equipment on the airplane. you couldn't track it through the transponder because it had been turned off. there are lots of big differences between sort of the sinister aspects and conspiracy theories of mh-370 and what we are effectively in first 48 hours of 8501. it's 20 past 7:00 in singapore now. the jet was due to land almost two days ago. 48 hours into this and in the first hours and days of any incident like this happening there's a lot of unknowns and there's a lot of speculation that surrounds it. we have to concentrate on what the facts are and what the last known contact was, what's the search and rescue operation doing, who is getting involved in that what's the equipment

being used and look at the procedures and protocols that are followed by the pilots which are the history of this airline is fantastic. >> what's your instinct on this flight on the disappearance of this flight? >> i think there's going to be some question with regard to the airasia captain's decision making. if you examine the radar plots relative to all of the other aircraft that were in the sky in that direct vicinity you'll find that the majority dozens of aircraft are actually paralleling the storm but further to the south-southwest. they are actually over land and completely sir lyly navigating those storms. there is an aircraft going north and south paralleling the storm on that route. only two, three or four aircraft are actually following the same flight path that the air asia

flight was. they successfully traversed that line of storms. as you know these storms are incredibly dynamic. they grow into monsters in no time at all. we're talking 30 seconds. two or three minutes. it can go from a 25,000 foot storm to a 50,000 foot storm and engulf that aircraft. so i think the more we learn about this the more information that comes in we'll start looking at the flight crew and their decision making. >> let's move onto the fight in afghanistan. the u.s. has ended its combat role in america's longest war. they retired a flag on sunday and replaced it with another representing a new mission with afghans taking the lead. more than 2,000 americans have died since the 2001 invasion. in a statement, president obama said in part "for more than 13 years ever since nearly 3,000

innocent lives were taken from us on 9/11 our nation has been at war in afghanistan. now, thanks to the extraordinary sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, our combat mission in afghanistan is ending and the longest war in american history is coming to a responsible conclusion." starting in january, americans will help afghans hold onto government but the taliban has killed a number of afghans in the past year with a recent spade of attacks inside the capital. >> richard, you know we've read the statements from the president, there will be 10,000 american soldiers marines, on the ground in afghanistan going forward despite this declaration that our role in the war is over. our role in that country in that war is not over as long as you are in uniform on the ground in afghanistan, we are at war. >> absolutely. there's not safe zones. once you are out there advising the troops and training the troops, the taliban and others

won't make distinctions. we have to understand that. there are a lot of interesting questions going forward. we could look going backwards but we are where we are. the president said by the end of 2016 it's his goal to take this residual force to zero and leave afghans on their own. will two years of this presence be enough to get the afghans up to the level where they are good enough not to defeat the taliban but hold their own against the taliban. >> talk about the difference between the current afghan government and karzai government in the rearview mirror. >> karzai had a serious case of palace fever. he was indispensable man of afghanistan. he was there too long. too much corruption.

and now i would say there is trouble getting a grip on the country and getting a cabinet and you face a country with deep seeded corruption and divided many different ways ethnically and geographically. taliban are in the country. ethnically they are closely tied to people in the south. pakistan provides a sanctuary. we're trying to help but our "partner" ally pakistan is working against us. the challenge facing this new government are hard to exaggerate. it's one of the reasons they desperately need this continuing help from the united states and others. the real question is will this limited sort of help be enough? it's interesting, you'll have people on the left saying it's too much. we ought to get out. we've given them more than a

decade. the reality is on the ground it's unlikely to be enough. two years of this kind of limited help militarily in and of itself won't be enough. massive economic help will be needed. this is at best a weak country to some extent a failing country. they are extraordinarily vulnerable. >> you talked about the left. you are already starting to hear and likely to hear if this goes bad from the right criticism of the president for leaving too early and many will say again. do you see parallels between what happened in iraq and things fell apart there and what's going on now in afghanistan? >> the administration has repeated a potential error which is you're tying the duration of american troop presence not to conditions but to a calendar. the president said no matter what by december 2016 we're out of there. which is fine if the situation on the ground in 2016 is self-sustaining and stable. what if not? i don't see the evidence that it's going to be self-sustaining. so either mr. obama is going to have to change his policy which is what i hope he does and

leave this decision to his successor, or he would in some ways ignore realities on the ground and say we'll get out no matter what. i don't understand after this massive investment in afghanistan. and given its continuing importance. you don't pour in troops and money because of the past but we have ongoing concerns whether they are strategic concerns and we don't want this to become a place where terrorists act with impunity. we're worried about the drug crop. we have human rights concern. fate of women and the civilian population and we don't want afghanistan to become a staging area against pakistan with its hundreds of nuclear weapons and its terrorists. there's an argument for continued american involvement here. >> so 2,300 american casualties. >> 2,300 dead americans. another 10,000 wounded. >> thousands of afghans. trillions of dollars and we may have brought that country to the

15th century. >> and generation of americans haven't known this country without being at war. >> we had a limited goal to kick out taliban because they were given sanctuary to al qaeda. what we have seen over 10 12 years, the united states was unable to figure out what its goal was in afghanistan. we achieved the initial goal. we've been doing a version of nation building for 10 or 12 or 13 years now without committing to it and without quite sure what would be our definition of success and this is a lesson about how not to do an involvement. >> we're going to take a break. during a break you people are going to have to come up with something that puts a smile on my face. >> seth rogen interview. >> we'll talk to the former head of ntsb and former senior air safety investigators and an update on condition of former

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approach. four injuries have been reported and officials say one man has died. the columbus dispatch cdc says a lab worker who may have been exposed to ebola is showing no signs of the deadly virus. last week the technician was working with samples of ebola that was supposed to be inactive but may have contained the live virus instead. the tech will be monitored for 21 days as a precaution. "l.a. times," two suspects fired on a police patrol car in los angeles late last night. the shooting prompted a tactical alert which calls every officer available in the city to descend on the scene. one suspect is in custody. another is at large. and in dade city florida, two sheriffs deputies were fired on while watching traffic at an intersection. neither were hurt but the incident comes just hours after another florida police officer's funeral.

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>> welcome back. jeb bush's first step into a possible 2016 bid for presidency is paying earlyive dividends in national polling. a new cnn opinion research poll shows the former florida governor pulling ahead the rest of the pack reflecting a nine-point shift from a month ago in the same poll. over the holidays multiple news outlets scoured through bush's

e-mails. he reportedly zeroed in on trimming the state's government workforce by half. >> joining us for the must read op-ed, senior contributor and columnist, matt lewis. aside from bush's commanding lead perhaps an even more interesting finding is that the establishment candidates seem to be dramatically better than their grassroots conservative counterparts. for example, bush is at 23% and chris christie is in second place at 13%. nobody else cracks double digits. wouldn't be it great to have a real debate with a few top tier candidates for a change. imagine a field that begins with just bush christie walker rubio, cruz and paul. i suspect you would get to have some very serious discussion that would elevate the debate

and as a bonus have time to say something. matt speaking of saying something, what do you think the odds are when pollsters call people at this stage of potential campaign year coming up, they would say anything to get them off the line. i like bush. see you later. that accounts for some of his popularity. >> i'm sure that happens. i think just the bush name. i mean two president bushes obviously. there's no doubt that helps. the name idea especially at this point this early point in an election cycle, no doubt having a famous last name helps. i think that does inflate the polling. this also exists in a vacuum. what's going to happen after months of tv ads talking about jeb bush's support of amnesty and common core. that could ding him up. we'll see if he has a glass jowel or not.

we hear about ted cruz and rand paul. they are in 5% or something. you have jeb bush and chris christie really leading the pack right now. >> you know matt makes the point that the establishment appears to be stronger here at the outset. you're right that this polling only tells us a certain number of things at this stage of the race. i do think it does tell us a little bit about how this race is going to shape up over the course of the next six months while this invisible primary is still going on. it shows a little bit about why hillary clinton's camp is so concerned privately that jeb bush is thinking about doing this, right? he's one of those people that they see as someone who could step up and potentially solidify this field and take away one of her major advantages which at this point is looking like not a terribly divisive primary process and something that could divide republicans over the course of time. i also think matt mentioned chris christie. i think this puts a lot of pressure on him to start to make a move. things are moving behind the scenes already.

we're very early in the process but a big part of the reason my sources say about why bush moved when he did is to start to bring together all that donor money, support, those kind of things and i think this poll goes to show that if he doesn't start to make a move quickly, this field could start to kind of move forward without him. >> you talked to these people all the time. what's the feeling on jeb bush? does he run or is this just a dance leading up to the point where his family doesn't want him to run, that's always been out there. does he run? >> i think if you look at the message he put out on facebook when he announced, he talked about his family and how they want to move forward with this together. it's a concern. he's making real moves right now that point toward a presidential run. this is not just him making an offhand comment here or there. we'll stop making paid speeches. he's getting off the board of a healthcare company. all of these things point to -- he's releasing his e-mails which we saw, many of which are perp

peppered with words like my bad, chill out. he writes back to his critics. he wrote back to someone who sent him a nasty e-mail saying have a nice day. >> let's send him one and see if he answers us. >> i think the ground has shifted around jeb bush in the last three or four weeks. >> matt what's the potential for reincarnation of what happened four years ago with republicans. 14 people waiting for a bus during the debates. what's the potential for that? it's great theater but it's terrible for that particular political party. >> i agree with you. our friend bill crystal recently wrote a column encouraging more of that. the more the merrier. i mean there is something -- there is a conservative philosophy that essentially says get everybody in there and let the free market work and it will sort itself out and the cream

will rise to the top. we've had two cycles of that happening. instead what we've had are really people exploiting the campaign process. people running for office for all of the wrong reasons. people flirting with it like donald trump who are doing it really just to get publicity. then you have folks like herman cain never elected and making a huge splash and frankly the republican party and the chairman are taking a number of steps to limit the debates and change primary dates to make the convention and these little things to make it more likely that republicans won't repeat the whole clown car campaign that we've seen the last two cycles. i would really encourage people if you are not serious about running and winning, don't run. i would love to see a situation where you don't have these people running for a cable news show getting in the race just to make a name for themselves.

as i said in that column i mean, have five or six of the most serious top tier candidates across the ideological spectrum. i think rand paul could really bring something to the debate about whether or not we should be to interventionist and i think you have people like chris christie and scott walker who have governing experience versus the legislatures. the thing of having 20 candidates is another disaster waiting to happen. >> matt before we let you go. i need you to clarify one thing for me. do you mean to tell me -- do you mean to tell the american people that donald trump is not a serious candidate and that he's a publicity seeker? i'm shocked. stunned. >> i know it's shocking. you know what he does -- >> what's left? what's left? >> i know. it's an amazing revelation. but the problem is the media

does take him seriously and we end up talking about birthers. >> what media takes him seriously? >> they cover him and then it makes it look like conservatives are birthers. you had michele bachmann running sucking up oxygen. >> that's quite a ticket right there. all right, matt. thanks very much. i apologize. up next the search is on for a passenger plane in southeast asia. just nine months after another jet vanished without a trace. a look back at that disaster and where that investigation stands today. "morning joe" will be right back. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees from the bank where no branches equals great rates. [vet] two yearly physicals down. martha and mildred are good to go.

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with the search and rescue mission under way for missing flight 8501 comparisons to

malaysian airlines flight 370 are hard to avoid. to this day, investigators are still grasping for answers in the whereabouts of flight 370, which disappeared over the indian ocean about nine months ago and remains one of the biggest puzzles in aviation history. >> my son! >> we want to know what happened? >> it's one of the biggest aviation mysteries in history. the disappearance of flight 370. to this day not a single piece of wreckage has been found. with no airplane no bodies and no crash site to work with investigators are still trying to zero in on the southern part of the indian ocean for more clues of what really happened. saturday march 8th, malaysia 370 departs set to arrive in beijing six hours later. there were 227 passengers and 12 crew members onboard.

a half hour after departure, the plane sends its last electronic transmission to air traffic control. the system is later deactivated. 15 minutes later, one of the pilots says. all right. good night to ground control. those were the last words spoken by anyone on flight 370. there was no indication there was anything wrong at the time. moments before dropping off radar. the pilots were supposed to check with vietnamese air traffic control next and they never did. >> as we monitor the search for missing flight 8501 there are key differences from the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of the malaysian airliner 370 as mikey kay was pointing out. asian flight encountered heavy storms lightning. and there were clear skies for malaysia flight 370. investigators say flight 370's path was diverted for unknown

reasons. if flight 8501 did crash, it's likely in the java sea. flight 370, which has never been located, is suspected of crashing in the indian ocean. a large and deep area of water. >> it's still bizarre. >> and, again, we must must recognize that there are some key differences here. malaysia 370 all its equipment effectively failed to communicate 20 minutes after it took off and then as time went on, we knew through military radar traces and through the satellite analysis that the jet was still airborne for another seven hours. i mean that has conspiracy theory and sinister written all over it and i can't explain in my experience why it would go 140 degrees off route and then come down the west coast and head into a location which has

no objective. >> what are differences in the depths of where flight 370 crashed, ocean depth, and java sea. >> huge. i mean we're talking in the area which was about 1,300 miles off the coast of the australia, depths in excess of 10,000 12,000 feet. big trenches. the last area we were looking at where we concentrated on the uav search, there was a 31-day period of gps pings on black box and once that runs out, we're trolling the huge area with uavs. some weren't even equipped to go down to the depths they were talking about. java sea, 150 meters. that aspect of the search will be a lot easier. >> we'll get a live report from singapore. also ahead, they were comeicons.

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>> let's get to the latest on the search for heiraairasia flight 8501. the search is focused in the java sea where the plane disappeared. the search efforts include a dozen navy ships and several planes and helicopters. loved ones are now anxiously awaiting any word on the flight which had 162 people onboard including 155 from indonesia. officials are not sounding optimistic about the outcome of that search. it's likely that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. here's what we do know so far. at 5:35 saturday morning, the plane took off from surabaya to singapore. the pilot asks to change course and climb higher to avoid storm clouds. only the course change was approved. then at 6:17 42 minutes into the flight contact was lost.

no distress call was received. there were severe weather at the time in the area including high winds, thunderstorms and lightning. those conditions mean the flight likely encountered severe turbulence not just within the thunderstorm but possibly for several miles beyond the storm. airline officials say the pilot of the plane had more than 20,000 hours of flying experience and the plane made more than 13,000 trips. let's go to bill karins for an expanded look at what role weather played in all of this. bill? >> good morning. the flight itself -- let me take you to the map and show you what happened as the flight went missing. the flight took off from surabaya. we know that. the blue line on this map shows you the approximate flight path. there was a huge cluster of thunderstorms off to the east. we don't think that caused the problem. there was a line of storms east to west that was right across the flight path. that is when the pilot -- when it approached that line of storms -- asked to request to go from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet.

the plane itself has radar on the plane. the pilot can see where the worst of the heavy rain echoes are or worst where the hail is and the pilot was then going to try to navigate around those storms. very unusual in this region of the country for the planes to go over these storms. these storms can go up to 50,000 feet. this plane itself was only supposed to go about to 45,000 feet max. that wasn't an option to go over that line of storms. the pilot had to find a way through it. this line of storms was in the region. six other flights did manage to navigate through these storms before this. now, as far as what we're dealing with now, here's the approximate search area that we're watching. halfway in between singapore there and surabaya. the weather over the last two days has been relatively calm considering it's monsoon season but the forecast over the next two to three days our computers estimate this is the rainfall possibilities. normally we don't care about rain over the ocean. we won't get flooding.

when you're doing a search and need visibility, rain is the enemy. they could see six inches of rain. the weather will not cooperate over the next two days at least. you get low visibility with clouds and rain and thunderstorms with the winds also make the seas choppy. even just trying to visually spot anything will be difficult for people even on ships in the water. >> all right, bill. thanks very much. anthony roman, let's talk about the plane involved here. what type of plane it was, its track record its safety record compare it to other planes. let's talk about that. >> the a-300 series of aircraft is manufactured by france. it is the competitor of the american boeing series of aircraft. you know in mh-370 it was a boeing 777. here we had airbus a-320. it really has done wonders in improving the safety of aviation

over the last 20 years. it has made it some of the safest flying that we've seen in history. however, all technology has a dark side and there is some technology that could have been affected in an adverse way for this flight in extreme weather. one is the radar. radar is an extremely useful tool in avoiding weather. however, it does have some flaws. and you do have to do some interpretation of the radar as a pilot. it isn't an exact science. for example, if there is heavy rain in a series or band of clouds that you're approaching and you can visually see those clouds, you are looking at the radar and you say, well yeah the rain is a little bit heavy there but we can still get through that safely the radar can actually mask very severe storms that could pose a risk to the aircraft that are behind

those clouds with heavy rain in it. the other is the structural integrity of the aircraft. the a-320 is an incredibly sound machine. however, of late the faa issued an airworthiness directive requiring mandatory inspections for fuselage cracks which the air worth airworthiness says could affect the structure of the aircraft. it will cause serious problems for that airplane. >> let's jump overseas. joining us live from singapore, katie tur with the latest. do we know outcome of the search and rescue? we're going into nighttime over there. what do we know about the search and rescue efforts?

>> reporter: day two down and they're suspending it. it's dark here. the weather is getting a lot worse. the wind has picked up. it was cloudy today. expected to rain for the next few days. it's monsoon season here in southeast asia and this could put quite a damper on the search and rescue effort if it gets too bad out there they may have to suspend the effort. today they searched all day today. they searched all day yesterday and still no official sign of what happened to that plane. unconfirmed report earlier today that debris was spotted but it was quite a distance from the last known location of that plane. if we learned anything from mh-370, you take reports with a grain of salt. they believe it is in the java sea and all calculations point to that. they are preparing people for the worst. they did say that if the plane did somehow manage to crash on land, there could potentially be

survivors. they're not hoping for much if the plane landed in the sea somewhere. weather was a factor while the plane was in the air. the last known communication was when the pilot called the tower and asked to go to 38,000 feet to avoid weather. that was the last they heard of him and that's when it dropped off radar. there was no distress signal sent. there was bad weather in the area all of the time, all the more confusing is other planes flew through the same weather that didn't have much of a problem. there are questions being raised as to what exactly happened. people are saying maybe it was flying too slow. that's unconfirmed. wondering if it was an air france situation where everything seized up. as of now that's all unconfirmed. it's speculation. they won't know anything until they are able to spot some debris. guys? >> so many questions and very few answers. katie, thank you. joining us from london katie higgens.

>> good morning to you. >> thank you very much. the first question that jumps to mind is i think a lot of people will wake up and say how could this have happened again? we know that there are no similarities perhaps between the malaysian airliner and this but how is it possible that a plane can disappear? do we not have tracking devices on these planes to pinpoint precisely where they were last seen? >> well what we have and we know when this plane left the radar screen. what we don't have is tracking beyond that. i think one of the lessons that's come out of the malaysian air flight is the need for better tracking once planes are off radar. technology is available. it's not been put into use. that's something that i know there's work being done to move forward on that. we don't have it yet. >> that's the thing that jumps out at me. why has it not happened yet when we had one plane go down in malaysia malaysia? why does it take so long to roll out that technology which seems

available in many other aspects of our life. >> i think it comes down to money. the technology does exist. it's something that i'm familiar with both for outside the cockpit and inside the cockpit. there's costs involved in installing it. there's work being done but questions are airlines and governments willing to spend money to do it and those decisions have yet to be made. >> am i correct in assuming that what you just said means it's less safe to fly in certain areas of world with certain air carriers out of certain countries than it is flying under a domestic airline carrier out of the united states? >> no. i think we have to remember every time we have one of these accidents, we have to remind ourselves that aviation is incredibly safe. this is an airline that's not had a fatal accident. it's a low-cost carrier modeled after southwest and other low-cost carriers. it has a good safety record. these are experienced pilots.

accidents happen. in this case there are factors of weather. there are factors of the machine itself and there are human factors. until we recover the black boxes, we don't know how those three factors came together. we've seen other accidents. air france was mentioned where weather was also a factor. again, improvements have been made but unfortunately sometimes they are slower than we would like to see the progress result. >> kitty higgins, thank you very much. search and rescue efforts continue this morning as a ferry burns in the sea. hundreds have been rescued. associated press reports the death toll has climbed to five. we are joined live from london now. >> good morning. rescuers as we speak are air lifting people from that ferry. some are suffering from hypothermia because they had to stay on the top deck overnight

because ironically the fire was so hot they said their shoes melted on the lower decks if they tried to get down and escape. a terrifying rescue operation. a ferry on fire. hundreds of passengers on the top deck air lifted one by one while two jets of water are visible pouring from another ship to control the flames beneath those still stranded. 148 people were reportedly still onboard. some were winched to safety in groups. here a mother and two children and apparently very young child in her arms wrapped in blue. she smiles. we're okay. the ferry was headed from greece to italy. most of the 478 onboard were greek. it's thought the fire broke out on the deck before spreading. here a burst of flames. one person has died jumping from the ship. now cold is causing hypothermia. 329 are safe. some led from a container ship

this morning. it reached the ferry to help before rough seas high winds and the intense fire made rescue by sea impossible. there was no alarm. nothing, this man says. everything was blocked. it was freezing cold. no help. the ferry had passed a technical inspection according to its owners. one passenger called his wife from onboard and told her they had been left to burn. it does appear as if the number of dead is increasing as you mentioned, mike. i mentioned one confirmed dead but one passenger says he saw many bodies and italian media is now saying reportedly there are 70 people still left onboard that ferry waiting to be rescued. >> thanks very much. mikey, before we go to break here the air rescue operation looking in the java sea, you

watch movies and pilots fly over and say look at this. a guy on a life raft there. describe briefly the degree of difficulty. how high are the planes? what altitude do they fly at looking in the ocean for what are they looking for? >> these are great questions. we talk very much about the weather at the moment. the weather is one of the reasons why the deviation happened in the first place. when the it comes to search and rescue, it's paramount to have good weather. low cloud deck precipitation and rain brings down the visibilities and hampers the search significantly. we have aircraft. singapore just loaned two aircrafts. they'll be flying around and have crew onboard looking out and if they see something, they'll throw a marker out which is a smoke. aircraft will come around and they'll have a look at what it is they've seen in terms of debris.

the key is this ap3c o'ryan. what it can do is throw out these -- >> what altitude are they flying is this. >> they'll drop them at about 200 feet. they can be deployed in bad weather. this o'ryan can fly in bad weather. two types. you have passive, which listens. for elt or gps or pingers in the black boxes it will listen for those pings and then you have active ones that will send out energy and transmit wreckage that may sit on the bed. it really as soon as it gets up from australians will be a key piece to assist with the search. >> we'll go live to minneapolis where a major blast of winter cold has invaded the region today. can we expect the same in the northeast soon? plus former president george

h.w. bush may be in the hospital but that doesn't mean he's not cheering on the houston texans. an update on the former president's health when "morning joe" comes back.

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>> he's not playing golf out there. >> never mind. i don't have questions for you. >> thanks mike. >> how many socks do you have on? >> i got two pairs of socks. i've got seven layers. it's back to reality. the gravy train of mild december weather has been discontinued. minneapolis has had a very warm december. this december is more than 14 degrees warmer than last december. remember, we had a lot of cold weather and snow in november across the midwest and northeast was very cold. it's all changing. golf this week in new york city forget about it. not unless you're going to be layered up. here's our latest temperature downtown. we're at 6 degrees above zero. now, granted this is only three degrees below their average low of nine. i was standing here two weeks ago and it was 51 and we broke a record monday morning the 15th. back to the deep freeze. windchill is 9 below zero. on flag island minnesota, windchill is 40 below zero and

windchills will drop tonight. the high tomorrow only 5 compared to an average of 24. cold weather for the next few days and then it will moderate a little bit and another shot will come in late next week and this cold air is headed east. highs in new york city the tri-state area in the next couple of days will chill down to 34 or 35. we do have another storm on the maps for saturday and sunday. this one again is going to be what we call an inside runner. it's going to bring warm air up the east coast so what you get in the big cities likely unfortunately even ski resorts next weekend will be more rain and then it will turn cold again. at this point, no big snowstorms in the forecast for anywhere in the country. the other thing with this cold air, we're forecasting accumulating snow in vegas on new year's eve on wednesday. maybe an inch or two. the last time they had an inch of snow in vegas was six years ago. it's turning cold everywhere. >> so mike sort of a personal

question here. you were there in the same place two weeks ago and temperatures were in the 50s. it was moderate. a nice day. i realize you are wearing the l.l. bean weather jacket. what do people say to you when you walk around with that big thermometer you're holding in your hand? >> they go that's really a big thermometer. that's what they say. >> okay. i just wanted to clear that up. it's not a wrist watch. it's a thermometer. okay. >> many of them are not jealous one bit that i'm standing out here on this corner for the next six hours. trust me. they are all heading into the target corporate headquarters. that's what they're doing and they're bundled up. they realize that reality is back here in minneapolis-st.paul. back to you. >> many many layers on. >> yeah. the disappearance of sunday's flight is airasia's first major

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president george h.w. bush remains at houston methodist hospital this morning after spending six consecutive nights there. last tuesday the 41st president experienced shortness of breath. he's been held for observation ever since. his spokesman says they hope to have news about a possible discharge soon. that would be great. joining us now from houston, nbc news correspondent jacob rask owny. what's the story on the former president? >> reporter: we get a statement and every day they say he's doing better and making progress. the latest statement said they are talking about when to discharge him and said he would stay at least through the weekend. today very well could be his last day or at least one of his last. he's 90 years old. he was here two years ago at

this time for two months with bronchitis and persistent cough. this time his condition is far less serious. >> any day that he is with us is a good day. >> i agree. great man. >> did you see him jump out of the airplane? >> 90th birthday. >> the landing was a bit spotty and he walked away. >> jacob, thank you. we appreciate it. there are many unanswered questions about the missing airasia flight with 162 people onboard. here with us now, former senior air safety investigator with the national transportation safety board, greg feith. weather was a huge factor in the disappearance of this flight. before they take off, the sophistication of weather apparatus, we'll leave bill out of it because he's not very sophisticated, but the sophistication is such that you can get ten-day forecasts. they are flying out. they know what's out there.

talk about that a bit. >> one of the big issues here in the united states, a lot of our legacy carriers the united and delta in the world have their own meteorologist. they do a weather analysis and they provide that through dispatch to flight crews and gives you an idea of what the weather is and if the crew has to make a divert they have diversion airports. we don't have that same standard around the rest of the world. as an investigator one of the first questions i would be asking at airasia is what dispatch information did that flight crew get? how much of a weather analysis did they have in working with dispatch? technically disachspatchers will provide it and the crew will review it and accept it. it had been building and building. there was a trend there. they should have been looking at that trend and determining their best course of action. waiting 42 minutes to get right

to it and then having to make a decision about how they're going to divert or how they're going to get around it that's a big question for me as an investigator. >> you say we the collective we don't have the same weather capacity sophistication alertness, whatever you want to call it throughout the world. why not? >> that's a good question. you know you have an ultra low cost carrier started you and you don't have the same resources in that part of the world. they don't have the monetary and manpower resources to have that kind of sophistication as far as weather analysis. they may rip a sheet off a national weather service or pull down generic information provided to the flight crew and then the flight crew is to make a determination based on that kind of information. probably without any kind of analysis or assistance from the dispatchers in determining we can't really go there because, look, throughout the day it's expected to build.

we got to do something else. they should have probably not even dispatched that airplane. >> what we've seen with mh-370 was a phenomenal response from the global community in terms of the ntsb american air accident investigation board, aaib british equivalent to ntsb. they call came together and pooled assets. give us a sense of how this is developing from a global response? >> when we saw mh-370 start to develop, the malasians thought they could go it alone and as things started to really build up and the public eye was really focused on them they found they needed to bring in a lot of these international assets. they were criticized for all of these delays. i think we saw a different type of response with this. there was an immediate reaction by a multinational group, the malasians, indonesiaians, the

australians jumped in to minimize the response time so that they wouldn't be criticized because i think we learned a lot of lessons from mh-370. >> you would say initial analysis is it was far better than 370. >> absolutely. they are already out searching and searching the first day it is just that weather is the limiting factor for them to do a comprehensive search. >> who makes a decision for that plane to take off? the pilot says we can do it or dispatch ground control that says you have to take off. >> years ago it used to be the final decision of the flight crew. because of accidents that the ntsb investigated here in the united states, we found that there needed to be joint decision making. you couldn't have pilots making solo decisions so now it's a joint decision making process and that's typically the way it should work. you need that input. dispatchers are doing a specific

job. they are doing all the flight planning and providing the crew with the best available information so that the crew can make the final determination as to what they're going to do how they're going to do it and when they're going to do it. >> is it different when you're on the ground for an american carrier on the ground in that region of the world or any region in the world an american carrier on the ground opposed to a local low-cost air travel? >> for one of our legacy carriers, our flag carriers going over there, yes. we still -- they are still communicating back here through their dispatch organization. they're going to get the most up to date information. one of the things that i had heard the last couple days was the fact that this crew would have been very dependent on themselves to determine the weather. they were looking at weather radar onboard the airplane. that's not necessarily true. the air traffic controllers do have the ability not only to monitor the weather, they can turn weather on and off on their own particular radar screens but they also are plugged into the national weather service. they get continuous updated

information. we call it center weather advisories and things like that. so there is additional weather information that is available. whether it was available to this particular flight crew or not, that's a question that needs to be asked and answered. >> there's a lot of good information right there. greg thanks very much. up next "the interview" has proven to be a huge success online even if sony never planned it that way. the latest on the controversial film coming up here on "morning joe."

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new numbers about the studio's controversial comedy that started the international incident. joining us from los angeles, nbc news correspondent haley jackson. what is going on now with sony? >> more developments. every time we talk there's something else going on. big numbers for the interview over the weekend. it was helped by a big pr push doing a lot of interacting with fans online. all this as sony corporation, a different arm of the corporation, deals with more fallout from another cyberattack. it's the most controversial scene in the year's most controversial movie. while live tweeting the fictional death of kim jong-un, james franco wonders how can anyone get upset about this silly scene? seth rogen adds seems silly to

me. it's been downloaded 2 million times since it was released on websites. "the interview" has brought in 2.8 million in theaters even though it played in 331 cinemas. >> had the movie opened as intended, it would have been a bigger result for the weekend but when you combine streaming numbers with theatrical you have a good result. >> reporter: a bright spot for sony. pyongyang claims it didn't do it and now a growing chorus of cybersecurity experts says north korea may be telling the truth. >> we really don't think this is north korea. fingers are pointing like they kind of have been from the beginning to an inside job. >> reporter: there are similarities to previous attacks by pyongyang. it's an unrelated hack that has

another branch of the sony company scrambling today. this man claims to be involved though nbc news could not independently verify that and explains why he did it. >> to raise awareness and amuse ourselves. they should have more than enough funding to protect against these attacks. >> good news for gamers. this outage is over. it started on christmas day as people were unwrapping their new playstations and the crash lasted for a couple days but now things are back up and running now. >> my playstation just came to life last night. we appreciate it. here with us, culture reporter for "the new york times" and cnbc brian sullivan unfortunately joins the table as well. we'll have to put up with you. >> you're a commodore guy. re we know this. >> you are bringing tears to my

eyes. >> were you surprised at the response online to "the interview"? >> i was. we saw theatrical numbers that was so-so. $2.8 million is mediocre even for 300 screens but then to see another 15 million come from downloads, i mean there's not much to compare it to because the studios tend to not want to release their movies online simultaneously with theatrical but for an online release, that's pretty decent. >> one of the more surprising reactions to s tos to the movie itself when it was available online was the reaction in china toward the movie where you would have thought it was a combination of "gone with the wind" and "butch cass cassidy and the sundance kid." >> it tells you there's a deep well spring from chinese

perspective to north korea. it's a typical case of a country doing a lot for another country. north koreans are seen as ungrateful. they never listen. they cost money. resentment in china is thick. what it tells me moving away from the movie business is the united states may have scope in talking to china about distancing them from north korea. the idea that china would move away from north korea well within the next decade we could see reunionfication of the korean peninsula. >> could you imagine seth rogen and james franco responsible for that. >> is there a silver lining in this? we were hearing about this. are numbers strong enough to get studios to start saying you know what is there a way to break the model and stop distributing it in theaters or maybe doing it in tandem? >> i can't compete with reunification of korea angle but this could become ground

breaking. make a movie, distribute a movie, put it in the theaters buy popcorn. bad movies some go straight to video on demand. now you have itunes and youtube which is google 5.99 rentals for this movie and they created their own distribution platform a website called seetheinterview.com. it's run by a third party. if this works, this could change the game. and then you have rogen and franco reunifying korea and changing a 100-year-old business model. >> we should nominate them for a nobel prize. >> never mind the academy award. >> they are changing the word. >> let me ask you a movie person question. it cost $44 million to make "the interview" according to marketing. >> another 35 million on that.

80 million all together. >> can this movie make its money back? >> i think it's going to be really challenging. it's nice to think some day we won't have to go to the shopping malls and pay 15 bucks for popcorn that tastes like shredded newspaper. the studio owners don't want to go this route. they want you paying $15 to $20 movie ticket. we'll see in the next weekend or two if online numbers hold up or just a one weekend. >> i will add this. we talk about making money back. we can't use the old revenue model. distributors make most of it. theater owner makes almost nothing. they make it on concessions and the giant tub of popcorn you dive into barnicle. >> why so harsh with me? >> we don't know how much of a percentage the studio is making from online distribution. if they get 95% of the cut versus usual 20% the contributor makes most money in the first

couple weeks they could make the money back. >> i have to believe that some of the big name participants that we've been talking about must have back end as well. if the movie never comes out at all and they don't get at least a little taste of that think of the lawsuits we could have seen. >> you are talking about marketing the movie for a theater that never got released. going forward if it is digitally released, the strategy of how you advertise and all that will change. >> if you look at the history of the internet everything we know would say what we're seeing here is going to happen. you get rid of the in betweeners. theaters are in some ways an in between stop. if you go from producer of content to viewer cut out theater, this is consistent with the rest of the internet. >> it's going to happen to some degree but people -- >> winged vehicles will never fly. >> i tell you what you never are going to be able to replicate the magic of sitting inside a theater. >> that's true. >> have you been to a theater in

new york? they are not particularly magic. >> but still -- >> to mike's point, i want to go because they have stereo sound and they have the booming and the 400 inch screens. >> some theaters at best buy i saw home entertainment this past holiday season were impressive. >> like the drive-in movie theaters, they're not going away either, mike. >> i love drive-ins. >> they are making a comeback. >> i keep leaving and taking the sound thing with me. >> take the tray with you as well. concessions are better at home. >> give me a screen play we can hook putin up with and get that thing going. we already solved north korea. >> "the interview 2." >> thanks very much. brian sullivan can you stay with us? >> if i'm allowed. >> we need this place cleaned up. >> okay. still ahead this morning, the material girl is not holding back with her online rant about stolen music.

why madonna says it speaks to a world that discriminates against women. you're watching "morning joe" and we are indeed going to be right back.

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you have inherited an entire family. the men and women of the new york police department will always be there as long as you are alive. they never, they never never forget. >> the city of new york and in particular it's police force remain divided over mayor bill de blasio's approach. the funerals drew thousands of men and women across the country. some showed the mispleasure with the mayor by turning his back on them. they said our whole focus is unifying the city and honoring the lives of our police officers. while de blasio may have given the impression he's on the side of the protestors she may still have been given the full measure of respect. >> the mayor of the city of new york should not be blamed for the murder of those police officers. that issue should not have been ejected. it's wrong. i told the mayor that yesterday. the mayor is not to blame for

that but i do believe mayor de blasio should apologize to the new york city police department. i said it day one and he'd get it over with if he did it. >> it's probably a rift that's going to go on for awhile longer. the issues go far beyond race relations in this city. they involve labor contracts and they involve a lot of history in this city that's really different from what's going on in the country as a whole. >> the officer's funeral is reportedly set for this sunday after his family is being flown over from china. >> you know richard, a couple of things that jump off the page with regard to the funeral for officer ramos. the vice president of the united states was truly spectacular. a very very moving tribute to the slain police officer in

addressing his family. truly spectacular. the other aspect that is really interesting, increasingly so you are a resident of the city of new york. is the relationship between the police commissioner and the mayor bill de blasio that truly needs the commissioner the police commissioner indicated he felt it was almost totally inappropriate for the few hundred police officers that turned their back on the mayor during his eulogy. >> the vice president because of what he went through in his own life is in a unique position to empathize with what the widow of the policemen are going through since he lost his own wife when he was young. he failed a reference to that and it was powerful. but no matter what you think, we're seeing them go too far. each side has to find a way to

get this back. the mayor has to have a town hall to reestablish a working relationship. the police have to remember who they are working for. they have made certain obligations to the mayor and city of new york. i also think we're on the verge of a major debate in this country about policing. this whole point of how much they push on victimless crime. he came into office broken windows. the smallest thing the police had to crack down on. what you're beginning to see are police now questioning whether that's the right way to go or whether the police need to let the small things slide and focus on the big things. we're seeing a larger debate about incarceration america. people on right and left. and the entire controversy that's erupted since the assassinations of the two police officers unfortunately deflects

from the reality that the new york city police department is the most diverse police department i would bet in this country and i would absolutely state without equivocation it's the finest police force in the world. not just the city and not just this country the world. >> statistics, you have literally 100 languages or so spoken by new york city police officers second to none intelligence capability in terms of monitoring terrorist threats and look at the statistics on crime. >> this has turned into such a difficult moment for mayor bill de blasio. compare him to listening to the vice president give that eulogy and he was able to speak not only from personal experience but also from the broader perspective of saying the cops standing here mourning this man were my neighbors. people like those who i grew up with.

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welcome back to morning joe. back with us. we have faa licensed commercial pilot and former flying instructor anthony roman. let's get to the latest on search for air asia flight 8501. >> the search continues to determine what happened to the plane and where it might be. it is focused near indonesia in the java sea where the plane disappeared. the search emptsincludes a dozen naval ships and helicopters. it had 162 people on board including 155 from indonesia but officials are not sounding optimistic about the outcome. the head of the search and rescue agency said it's likely the plane is at the bottom of the sea. at 5:35 sunday morning the airbus plane took off from

indonesia's second largest city of surabaya. the pilot asked to change course and climb higher to avoid storm clouds. only the course change was improved. and 40 minutes into the flight contact was lost and no distress call was ever received. severe weather was in the area including high winds thunderstorms and lightning. the flight likely enkoubterred severe turbulence not just within the thunderstorm but several miles beyond the storm. the pilot of the plane had more than 20,000 hours of flying experience and the plane made more than 30,000 trips. >> let's get right to nbc news fortune correspondent katy turr from singapore. what's the latest from the area? >> they have been searching all day today and no official word of whether or not they have seen any wreckage or sign of the plane. they're looking halfway between indonesia and singapore right in

the flight path but so far they haven't spotted anything concrete. four countries are assisting in this search. malaysia singapore, indonesia is leading it and australia has given assistance. they have set an ap3c. they searched all day yesterday and all day today and weather does seem like a factor. quite cloudy here today so visibility is less than ideal. tomorrow it's supposed to rain and supposed to rain for the next few days. it's monsoon season out here and the wet weather will contribute to a much more difficult search effort on the water. they're hoping if it is not in the water, i know it sounds not too optimistic at the moment because their best educated guess is its under the java sea. they hope somehow it landed on land. there's quite a few islands in that area. they're hoping that potentially there could be some survivors. this is still very much a search

and rescue operation. they have not called off the rescue operation as of now. they're going to continue to look as long as there's hope and as you would imagine the indonesia families are waiting at the airport and hoping for a miracle. hoping that something went right in this situation. that fair family members could potentially be alive but as the hours pass guys it starts to look worse and worse. >> i wanted to ask you the weather was a factor in the plane's disappearance. do we know if the weather is working in favor of the search and rescue effort? >> no it's not. it's not working in favor at all. it's quite cloudy right now. visibility isn't great. tomorrow it's going to rain. monsoon-like conditions here. visibility won't be great. the weather won't help the search effort. weather was a factor when the plane called the tower and asked to go to 38,000 feet. they said they wanted to avoid weather in the area. that's because there's a line of thunderstorms but there were a lot of other flights flying that

same flight path in that area that didn't have the same troubles so it's a lot of -- there's a lot of questions either now exactly what went wrong. remember they have the black boxes and the pings, you right member that how they were trying to triangulate the pings. they have that at their disposal here but only after 24 or 48 hours which is how long it's been right now. it's not quite the time that they're going to start looking for that. they'll do a search and rescue operation, search mostly on the surface of the water and on land to see if they can spot any wreckage. >> let's go to bill karins for a role of what weather might have played in this. >> let me take you to the map and show you what happened as the flight went missing. the flight took off from surabaya. the blue line shows the flight path. there was a huge cluster of thunderstorms off to the east of the storm. we don't think that caused the problem. there was a line of storms east

to west right across the flight path. that's when the pilot when it approached that line of storms asked to go from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet there's a radar on the plane. the pilot can see where the worst of the heavy rain echos are and the pie will the was going to try to navigate around the storms. very unusual for the planes to go over these storms. they go up to 50,000 feet. this plane was only supposed to go up to 45,000 feet next. that wasn't. this line of storm was in this region. 4-5, maybe as much as 6 o flights. did manage to navigate through these storms before this. now as far as what we're dealing with now here's the search area that we're watching. halfway in between singapore there and the weather over the last two days has been calm considering it is monsoon season but the forecast over the next two to three days our computers

are estimating this is the rainfall possibilities. normally we don't care about rain over the ocean. we're not going to get flooding but when you are doing a search and need visibility rain is the enemy. they could see as much as six inches of rain right over the search area where the words java sea is located. the weather is not going to cooperate over the next two days at least. you get the low visibility with the clouds and rain and the winds make the seas choppy. so if you try to visually spot anything it will be difficult on people even on ships in the water. >> all right bill karins one of the things that pops into a lot of people's minds is the question of why no call from the pilot? the plane's in trouble. we're in trouble. why no call. >> well that's a common question but it's not for pilots. simply because the primary responsibility of all pilots is to maintain control of the aircraft. there's a man tra from day one of flight school aviate navigate

and kpun kate. air traffic controllers can do little to help a pilot in distress. they can help them navigate from an emergency airport or open field or highway but simply the pilot's responsibility is get the aircraft under control and get it to an airport where it can land safely. >> what do you think? >> yeah i think this is the whole fight that there was no communication. communication just doesn't come in the form of radio transition. communication can be the pilots of the crew putting 7700 on the transponder which is the radar which allows all the regional operators to see him across there and unique identification codes. when 7700 comes up it means there's an emergency, the aircraft has a problem and the whole world can see that and put all resources into it.

the fact that none of this occur sd quite interesting. if we get back to the air france 449 crash the crew actually entered a catastrophic stall. the aircraft due to icing -- >> that's the one going off the coast of brazil. >> absolutely. got into a situation where it plummeted into the ocean. it took just over two minutes to go from normal flight conditions into the ocean but the crew weren't aware of what was going on. >> why not? >> well because effectively what happened was the icing iced up the tube, that gives the air speed indicator all the information it needs when it gets iced up it was giving them erroneous readings but they weren't aware of that because they were so used to working with computerized systems. so that information wasn't found out until two years after the event. remember it took a long time having a flight. the wreckage was found within a couple of weeks and then took a

couple of years to find those because of the depths of the ocean but we talked about this morning the java sea is much shallower than the indications for air france 449 and where we ended up with malaysia 770. >> you logged thousands of hours flying. if you're the pilot going into the storm. obviously this pilot asked for a course correction and asked to fly higher. he got one of those things and not the other. what's going through your mind as a pilot? what are the first steps you take. >> it's a great question. we must be aware that the weather systems in this part of the world, the heavy storm cells are not unusual. pilots are used to take these forms of diversion. so you're absolutely right. there's a protocol. they got a weather radar. the weather radar is an lcd screen. it's right in front of them in the cockpit. it shows magenta and detects heavy precipitation. green shows light precipitation.

about 160 miles the crew will start having a discussion about which way they want to go. they never want to go over the top. they go to 50,000 feet. you have to clear by at least 5,000 feet and airbuss don't go that high so you always look for a lateral separation and that will depend on fuel load. if they have an opportunity to go ten miles one way or 30 miles the other way they're going to navigate around the weather and get back on track and head up. and 80 miles is about 10 minutes flight time they have to start making real decisions because their guidance tells them they don't want to get within 20 miles of this thing because they get effects on the airplane. that's st. elmo's fire. a little bit of static build up on the jet. you get turbulence and it's more severe as you get toward the weather formation and also icing. icing doesn't effect the engines

because they have the anti-icing things. so it is a great question. the procedures and protocols are well practiced and this is what makes it like that. >> well tony fernandez is on the ground trying to comfort families. he's tweeting regularly calling the flight's disappearance his worst nightmare. he also said his heart bleeds for the families of the crew members and passengers. he's called malaysia's richard bransen. he's the 28th richest person in malaysia and worth $650 million. he bought air asia for about 33 cents. air asia did face criticism weeks after malaysia airlines 370 disappeared. an article told passengers to be confident that their pilots would not lose their plane.

air asia apologized and pulled the magazine. flight 8501 is related to it this year. it it has been nine months since 370 vanished over the indian ocean. flight 17 was shot down over a rebel controlled region of ukraine. u.s. ukrainian officials both blame prorussian separatists all 298 people on board that flight died. malaysian airlines was already losing millions of dollars but the tragedies lead to wider losses and major overhaul for the country. there were no survivors on that flight. officials are still

investigating the cause of that crash. >> i mean, the whole story is bizarre. it's totally bizarre. >> so many questions and with that explanation i think people will be a little bit more at least they're going to look at it -- there's a lot of elements of science and uncertainty to it and that's going to be tough for people to explain. there's a lot of experience in the hours these people have experienced, the pilots but at the same time certainly a lot of questions about the mechanics behind it. >> what we have to really stop ourselves from doing is jumping into this immediate conclusion that all the symptoms are aligned to mh-370. they're different in a lot of ways. we knew over the days and months, we knew that it took very random tracks which were tracked by military radar. remember it was going up the peninsula and took a 170 degree lefthand turn and then down. we couldn't actually track that using the equipment on the

airplane. they had all been turned off. there's lots of big differences between the sinister aspect and conspiracy theories of mh-370. in the first hours and days of any incident like this happening there's a lot of unknowns and speculations that surrounds it. we have to concentrate on what the facts are and what the last known contact was and what's the search and rescue operation doing. who is getting involved in that. what's the equipment being used and look at the procedures and protocols which are, the history of the airline is fantastic. >> what is your instinct on this flight? on the disappearance of this flight? >> there's going to be some question with regard to the air asia's captain decision making. if you examine the radar plots relative to all of the other aircraft in the sky in that direct vicinity you'll find that the majority dozens of aircraft are paralleling the storm but

further to the south, southwest. they're actually over land and completely circumnavigating those storms. there's a hand full of aircraft going north and south paralleling the storm attempting to circumnavigate it. only two, three, or four are following the same flight path that the air asia flight were. they successfully traversed that line of storm but these storms are incredibly dynamic. they grow into monsters at no time at all. we're talking 30 seconds. two or three minutes. it can go from a 25,000 foot storm to a 50,000 foot storm and engulf that aircraft. so i think the more we learn about this the more information that pours in we're going to start looking at the flight crew and their decision making. >> still ahead on morning joe

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15 songs rumored to be in madonna's upcoming album were leaked online and she fought back and thanked fans that refused to listen to the stolen music. now another track from that album found it's way on to the internet and madonna is speaking out again. chanel jones has more on the story. ♪ >> the self-proclaimed material girl is fed up with having her material stolen and what has been an on going battle against anonymous sources posting her unpublished music online. with lyrics like you're a copy cat get back and i'm always on your mine. many speculated it could be about lady gaga that credited

madonna as an inspiration. the queen of pop said i do not wish ill will toward any other female artist and i never have. along side a glam rouse photo of herself with a plug in her mouth she said there's those that want to shut me up but they cannot. we still live in a world that discriminates against women. the singer acknowledged i come with a lot of baggage. a series of leaks from her upcoming album rebel heart dealt a blow to the team. earlier this month she was slammed for comparing the haec to a form of terrorism and artistic rape. that post has been deleted. her label released six songs from her album last week in an effort to combat the leaks. they soared to the top of the charts before falling. now only one song is on the top 200 list. madonna dominated the pop music industry for more than 30 years but her last three releases

haven't faired as well come her shl dc commerially. she smashed an i pod and called it a symbol of my broken heart. >> the album was slated to be released in april but the leaks prompted that to be moved to a month earlier. >> now to colorado. >> okay, man, let's go to colorado. >> just do that read. >> dude where's my prompter. >> that's just my opinion but go ahead. >> you got it. >> i'm going to try to get through this one. >> why is the ohio state logo on the banner? >> well it's been one year since it became the first state to legalize marijuana for recreational use but the debate is definitely far from over. good morning to you. >> whoa. >> rocky mountain high man.

>> i have never seen it. >> that's the biggest smile i've ever seen. >> i have actually been through a few of these this year reporting only. colorado's governor is repeatedly said that this is one of the greatest social experiments of the century. well in it's first year that experiment has drawn in a whole lot of money and a whole lot of controversy. >> on january 1st the lines were long and the hopes were high. a year later at denver's 3d cannabis center the business is booming. >> i had five employees and now have 40. >> recreational marijuana sales topped half a billion dollars. that's raked in more than $60 million in tax revenue licenses and fees. still colorado's governor says that's only a drop in the bucket for the state's budget.

>> so far has it been worth it? >> we're making significant progress. i'm cautious. we still have a lot of work to do. >> law enforcement agencies report a 65% decrease in black market marijuana seizures since 2012. statewide crime data is not available yet but dui arrests more than doubled and police released 600 citations for public consumption of pots and more homeless people are flocking to colorado and several children rushed to emergency rooms after eating pot edibles. >> we're in a whole new world of insanely po ten marijuana that we're selling in colorado. it's a very real concern and real danger for our kids. >> the war over weed is playing out in denver neighborhoods like south broadway where other businesses say they're being overrun by pot shops. >> to say that colorado is just

about marijuana now is outrageous. we have so much more than marijuana. we're so much more than pot. >> for decades this has been known as antique row. now dispensaries want to call it green mile. >> it's been an incredible experiment and i'm proud that colorado stepped up to the plate and let the experiment happen. >> a couple of surrounding states aren't too happy with that experiment. nebraska and oklahoma have sued colorado saying that some of this marijuana is ending up across state lines and the annual demand for marijuana in colorado is estimated at 130 metric tons. guys that's a lot of weed. >> quick question for you, what did you have for breakfast? oreos for doritos? >> chee-tos actually. >> okay. we'll go with that. gabe gutierrez. thank you very much. coming up the former head of the ntsb joins the conversation. plus the lives they lived from a

journalistic apologygiant to an entertainment legend. some of the leaders that passed away this year and the legacy they leave behind.

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prime minister announced plans for an early general election thex month. can you tell me anything about this? what's the significance about it? >> i know it seems wonky. i'll give you the 30 seconds. three years ago greece was in significant financial trouble. they got together and bailed out a country. this election with some of the far left parties coming out and winning the election puts that bailout at risk. it was a three year benchmark. a backstop if you will. creditors and lenders eu. this puts it at risk because the political party now has control. bottom line this is guys don't follow the politics but know that if this continues there is a real risk that greece may have to make its own way in the uero zone. let's put it that way.

>> it's small economically and you have all the loans tied to greece. if there's more problems there there's a risk it. >> it's safety and -- >> there was put this puts that at risk. that's problem. >> we'll be following that survey and now back to the search for air asia flight. joining us now former ntsb chairman thank you for joining us. i think serve waking up this morning. a lot of questions surrounding this from your perspective, where does the search and rescue even begin. what piece of critical data do you need to get to find this plan? >> everyone is going to be going after the information that's already out there. the last known communications with the pilot. the last radar hit. really looking at that debris filled the weather pattern, the current, trying to figure out

where that plane is if it went down in the water there. >> how does this happen? how does a plane go missing with modern day technology and everything else? >> a lot of the aviation kmun has to take a hard look at this after 370 there was a lot of discussion how about to attract aircraft in dark parts of the world. there's a lot of coverage around the world. >> but this really is not one of them. you have okay 370 they believe it went out far in the indian ocean. the java sea is surrounded by islands and peninsula and continents. it's one of the most shallow seas in the world. what's the coverage like in this region. >> i'd say the coverage isn't like what we would see like in landbased coverage. there will be open areas over water. it's not like the atlantic where nato set up a lot of coverage.

we still have dark spaces but this is definitely a better opportunity to find the aircraft than 370. >> i want to rewind back to san francisco which hit the sea wall how do they all deal with this media frenzy and appetite for information in terms of the feed given the lack of information we know at the moment. >> that's one of the hardest things for investigators to deal with because you really want to avoid speculation and in the early hours you just don't have a lot of information particularly when they don't have an aircraft to go after. as soon as they get those recorders they're going to have a lot of information to share but right now it's kind of sparse and this pressure for constant new information really does bring out a lot of people who want to provide berries and

sometimes those are red herrings and not helpful at all. >> why is it from a technological point of view so hard to put a locator on this plane? after 370 everybody was like you know let's get some kind of technology out there. technology exists we have all kinds of apps on our phones always monitoring and tracking us. why is it so hard to roll that out on to a commercial airliner. >> it's not the issue of tracking an aircraft. they have the transponder on board. it's the constant downloading. this was always our problem even with our cell phones. it's the bandwidth. how fast can you send information and how big the packets can be sent and where they're sent to and how long they're captured. the technology exists. my family can track me when i'm driving home from work they know where my car is and if i stopped anywhere. we have to get better technology on these assets that are huge with hundreds of lives at stake. >> and also with radar. we are using a radar system that

is based on warld war iorld war ii. you can stack three times as many planes in the sky. i've been on panels about this. nobody wants to spend the money, do they? >> that's right. the taxpayers don't, airlines don't, the states don't. we'll have this old technology which is imprecise. >> and that radar technology is really land based so when we're looking out over the water we have to move to satellite technology or next gen technology. >> one more airline mystery. it's almost beyond bizarre at this point. thank you. still ahead, remembering some of those we lost this year from robin williams to joan rivers. a look back at the lives they lived. keep it here on morning joe. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin) ♪ ♪

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as 2014 comes to a close this week the new york times magazine, a great sunday magazine is out with their special issue. the lives they lived. remembering some of those we lost this year. joining us now is the magazine's editor and chief. jake, i was reading the ben bradlee memory yesterday in the magazine and some of the people we lost this year one that you recognize in the magazine made a huge imprint. he was an american journalist. it's going to last a long, long time. >> yeah, and one of the things we tried to capture about bradlee's life is a moment where that enthusiasm and energy for the news is captured at a white house party in 1962 and kennedy

is trying to give him a little scoop. at that point it was with newsweek thinking it would come out about a week later and instead bradlee runs and puts it on the front page of the washington post the next day. kennedy doesn't know he's going to open a leak investigator and realizes he was the leaker. just a great moment. >> >> we're used to seeing the death of actors and comedians and stuff but this year there was so much tragedy with the circumstances surrounding philip seymour hoffman and robin williams. >> but tragedies all over the globe. wars all over the world. syria, ukraine and ebola and it was a great year. and thinking about the air asia disappearance of that flight. the third malaysian aircraft to go down this year. it's been a grim year yet this issue tries to find some of the

uplifting quality. >> how hard is the selection process and who participated? >> i don't want to say it's totally random. it's highly suggestive. we're picking at a people out of the hundreds of thousands we could choose and it's based on writers. they want to write about. other times we look for, you know an interesting pairing. people that go together and we put it all together and you get a chance of who we lost this year. >> tony gwynn that's a guy that did it right and died way too young. >> way too young. he was the first batter to begin to study video tape of his

swing. he lugged it all over the country so he could watch immediately after the game his swing and the next day's picture. before that it wasn't customary. >> he had a sweet swing and a guy that turned down millions of dollars to play elsewhere and chose to remain in san diego. wanted to stay there and grew up there and played for one team his whole career. >> another one on our list maya angelou. >> there's a lot of people in this issue part of our broad civil rights issue, pete seeger great folk singer and in his case more for a death that had a huge impact than a life that had a huge impact if you want to put it that way. >> what did you learn about any of these individuals that surprised you? >> what i love about this issue every year is the figures that are less well-known that you

learn about. i never heard of some of these peel before we started this process and then you learn about a guy like red clots, owner, coach, manager, and point guard, the team to -- they lost 14,000 games. >> just one. >> can you imagine being at that game. tennessee 1971 and this guy he hits the shot with 7 seconds to go. the globe trotters the generals go up by a point and then the globe trotters are supposed to score an easy layup but the room is completely silent. the generals run back to their locker room. they don't have champagne so they shoot orange soda on his head. >> is it safe to say that's the greatest upset in sports history ever? >> probably. >> one of the things about this issue and sadly it's something that i think, just my opinion that newspapers in particular

are too far away if. people love to read about people. you devour the issue. >> that's what readers all make a connection to. individual stories and particular moments in people's lives. another person that really stands out to me is a pianist in the concentration camp during world war ii and she played it in the concentration camp and she described it as her food. >> documentary. >> years and years later she would practice for hours a day. and she would practice for hours a day. >> she protected her son all through that and he became a renowned cellist in his own right. >> what's the inspiration behind the cover? >> we also lost the great

designer massimo vignelli. he's known as the designer of the new york city subway signage that's great. the letters on the trains and also for the metro in d.c. also the american airlines logo the bloomingdale's bag and we adopted his fonts and style and entire design for the issue that the cover has this great red color on it. >> this is something that may be for future episodes but i learned something this weekend do you know what i learned? it blew my mind john tyler, 10th president of the united states has two living grand children. not great grand children grand children. he fathered a child in his 70s and that child fathered two children in his 70s and those two boys are in their late 90s and they're still alive and they can say their father likely

attended abraham lincoln's inauguration as a child. >> thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. great piece in the magazine. great magazine. our next guest explains how to bounce back in the face of adversity. important advice following a challenging year for many. keep it right here on morning joe. two boyfriends. three jobs. you're like "nothing can replace brad!" then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.

>> 2014 has more than it's fair share of tragic stories so is

there a specific tragedy from recovering from unspeakable adversity? we recently sat down with the president of the rockefeller foundation who is the author of the new book the resilience dividend. being strong? a world where things go wrong. >> it's what you get if you rebuild smarter. crisis is the new normal. not a week goes by that we don't have a cyberattack or violent storm or economic blow. the cost is $200 billion a year just for natural disaster recovery. we need a way to change the paradigm. >> what are we doing wrong? >> we're only in a place where we're responding and recovering rather than staking stock planning and preparing.

let me tell you about boston. they prepared for every crisis and they were able to react to every crisis. they stilled instinctively. they didn't know if it was going to be a terrorist attack or vie len storm, a nor'easter, they were prepared. no one who got to a hospital in the boston marathon bombing died. everyone knew what they were supposed to do. >> what do other cities do wrong? >> many cities do it wrong. in new york we're always looking in the rear-view mirror preparing for the last thing. 9/11 was nothing like santa so businesses put their generators in the basement because they were attacked from the air and then flooded during sandy. >> you look at new orleans post katrina some things they got right. education. they're taking some good leaps

forward but there's not a single person that knows anything about that city that is undersea level that thought it was a wise thing environmentally to do to rebuild the 9th ward and yet they did it anyway. >> as you say, i say this looking at the cover here. people continue to build in flood zones and rich people continuing to build in flood zones but they had an opportunity to return some of that land to its natural environment and didn't do it. >> we have better incentives in the buyout program. so in new york after sandy governor cuomo used some of the buyout programs. oakland beach our neighborhood and the important thing, the dividends here is the land is

being converted into wetlands and flood protection. much more of that has to happen. >> let's underline the word resilience here. resilience is a asset if it's used properly. but you can't legislate it. how do you get cities states, to be a little more resilient. >> well you can legislate it the stafford act which fema requires cities and areas to rebuild as they did could easily be changed to legislate and allow this kind of resilience dividend. the different kind of rebuilding capacity. hud used a billion dollars of the sandy recovery funds to create a competition that we help them work on called rebuild by design. actually putting into the competition frame work. as a result of that the 8 miles of lower manhattan, a project

called the big u is going to be built with storm buffers but instead of that big ugly wall that was talked about in the beginning they're integrating designs with a community. so we're going to see storm buffers but we're also going to see new recreational spaces new art spaces markets for economic development and job creation. that's the resilience dividend. it was legislated in. >> what do you think in putting this book together was the grossest example of waste you've seen in our past as a country where we vn done the smartest thing and invested over and over again. >> well, in disaster recovery you can look at the charts in terms of what we spend on government recovery programs since 2006.

the fee in a flood and insurance act no longer recovers it. fema is in for federal flood insurance $24 billion into the u.s. treasury. before 2006 what homeowners and businesses paid covers the losses. but crisis is the normal so losses are increasing so we can't do it the old way anymore and if you google her she's had a pretty good career. >> pretty good run so far. >> yeah, try to get something done in your life once in awhile. >> great to see you. >> take care.

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