this plane. >> airasia qz8501 caring 162 passengers and crew vanished. >> 46 minutes into the flight contact was lost. >> they had radar until the air plane went into a very dense part of the thunderstorm. >> the pilot asked to change course and climb higher to avoid storm clouds. >> stheez storms grow into monsters in no time at all. >> four countries are assisting in the search. >> the early presumption is that the aircraft is lying on the bottom of the sea. >> it is really early to speculate speculate. >> there's a lot of indonesian families holding out hope for a miracle. at the bottom of the sea,

that's all we know this hour about the likely location of missing airasia qz8501 carrying 162 people. the plane disappeared sunday morning 42 minutes after taking off from indonesia to singapore. oily spots were ruled out as unrelated. when the sun rises in a few hours, a third day of searching will continue with about 30 ships and 15 aircraft from four different countries. the search area will expand for today's search containing at least four new sectors including ground area. this afternoon the state department eds indonesia made a formal request for u.s. to aid. they are still determining how the u.s. will assist. what caused the plane's disappearance is still an open question. yesterday dozens of passengers

on board family began to wait where the flight began awaiting news. joining me now senior british officer who has logged more than 3,000 hours of flying and retired news correspondent, both of you, thank you for being here. bob, i'm going to ask you first, indonesia officials stay is likely the jet is at the bottom of the sea. what may have caused the plane to go down? what's the most likely possibility? injure . >> well i think it is too early to speculate. you got to think about weather. that's the only thing we know right now that was not part of a normal day for this flight. but again so many times there's something that stands out early on without any evidence and later on turns out it wasn't involved at all. it does puzzle me. i mean, these planes are built

to get through weather like that. i think what we're waiting for here is really solid evidence. that means hopefully finding the wreckage and locating the recorders. >> you know there was no distress signal sent though the pilot did request a change in course due to possible thunderstorms. what do these facts indicate about what may have happened to the plane. >> i think bob's right not to speculate. what we do know is there was no distress put out. no emergency code put on the responder. a crew will put on the code 7707 on trans ponders and that will come up on the radar screens, all of the authorities it will alert the world that there is a problem. there was none of that. that concludes that either the crew warrant wear of a situation that was developing and that is what happened with air france

449 that crashed off brazil. or something catastrophic happened and there was no time to put out a call. that's what we know at the moment. >> this is day three of the search. and it will continue in a few hours, it will be daylight in. families are hoping the plane may have crashed on a remote island. is that a possibility and would pings have been sent out if that were the case. >> not necessarily pings if it was on land but i think if it had been on land someone would have spotted it. so i think it is right that at bottom unfortunately says there's month chance a plane could float for this long. that's sad news and very difficult for relatives. i think we have to assume that that went to the bottom.

>> you wanted to jump in. >> i want to pick up on what bob said. there's a procedure here that the search and rescue operation will be following. normal procedure, the crews will be looking for the wreckage trying to identify objects, like debris in the ocean, which will link that to the final resting place of 8501. that wreckage then will alert the rescue recovery people go in and look for the flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. only then we have those, after the massive amount of assistance, only then can we start piecing together the puzzle of what actually happened and brought 8501 to its resting place. >> bob, there's a lot of comparisons between this flight

and the malaysia flight which disappeared in almost the same area how is this different? >> you have a lot better chance of finding the wreckage i think. it won't pe easy. it is going to tark time. it is going to take time. you have to trace it back and find those recorders. if you find the wreckage on the surface you have to hope to find the recorders down underneath where the main body of the wreckage was. the biggest difference is in this case you have a shot at findings these recorders where as with the other one they don't seem to be having any luck at all. >> indonesia officials say the jet is probably, quote, on the bottom of the sea. when will the search shift to

under water? >> i think at the moment the australians have offered a plane that has active sonar and massive sonar. they are two aspects, key capabilities that will hopefully be on scene as light and dawn comes that will be able to disconcern or assist with finding this wreckage. >> what is the best way the united states can help in this endeavor? >> we certainly have a lot of equipment on this under water the search of things that michael was talking about, listening for pings or sending out the sonar, we have that kind of gear, a lot of it was developed for petroleum industry

and their under-water oil searches. you have to wait to see what they will request. of course our ships would be handy and our planes too in this early search effort. >> terrific. thank you both for coming in. still ahead much more on the disappearance of flight 8501 including how improved technology could help searches like this much easier but will airlines pay for it. after the break, confidence in the nation's justice system is deeply divided along racial lines. this after new york city mayor addresses nypd's new officers. plus who is really behind the cyber attack on sony pictures. if it wasn't north korea who was it? that's coming up on "now."

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bill de blasio addressed thousands of graduating cadets in mid town manhattan. >> you serve in the greatest and finest police department on this earth. you are mere for people in need 24 hours a day. you protect others. people you don't even know. total strangers linked to you by our common humanity. we will work every day to deepen your relationship with the communities you serve for the safety and betterment of all. >> but once again the event was

not without controversy. the new york times reports the de blasio was greeted by a scattering of boos and cheers. today's protest followed saturday's funeral for slain police officer rafael ramos which many police officers turned their back on the mayor as he spoke. this is the man in the middle of the dispute bill bratton. >> to bring issues into that event was very inappropriate and i do not support it. he is the mayor of new york. he was there representing the citizens of new york to express their remorse and regret at that death. and it was inappropriate. >> and yet at the same time,. >> they really do feel under attack, rank and file officers and much of american police

leadership feel they are under attack from the federal government at the highest levels. that's something we need to understand also. the sense of preexception that becomes a reality. >> his balancing act comes as a new washington post poll sees a deep divide between racial lines. the poll also revealed a big split among whites based on party affiliation with two and three white republicans seeing equal treatment in the justice system viewed only by one and ten white democrats. joining me now, our guests, thank you for being with us. so, michael, let me start with you. bill bratton's role as man in

the middle as the new york times mentioned yesterday saying this was an unsought role as peace maker. and michael saying brat is the only player who still has credibility with both sides. what are your thoughts. >> his role he's not the man in the middle, he's the police commissioner. one thing he wants to do is keep his job. he lost his job once when he had a bad run in with mayor yooror yooror yooror yooror yooror yooror yooror guiliani. >> he is trying to keep people say. he's done a remarkable job of trying to balance risk and

lowering crime. the sad thing is before the announcement of the garner case it was said that crime was low. the basic founding principal to that was that black lives matter. you have to treat crime as seriously in poor neighborhoods as you do in better off neighborhoods and that principal got lost along the way and hard feelings developed. >> that's a good historical perspective. even i forgot about it. and we were both at the daily news at the time. >> they used to have misdemeanor homicides, there were so many murders in brooklyn. now the barclays center is there. you went from blood on the sidewalk to miley cyrus walking

down the red carpet. that's because of the police. >> guiliani says he you should apologize to the police department. let's play something he said. >> i do believe mayor de blasio should apologize to the new york city police department. he created an impression with the police i don't know he wanted to probably not, but he created an impression with the police that he was on the side of the protesters. >> what do you make of that? >> what's an apology going to do. you can't make generalization about all police but at the moment not a lot of cops like him and probably never will like him and ultimately i don't know how it matters all that much. it matter wlz the police commissioner is liked by the cops because that is the guy they follow. it matters if police do their job. if crime goes up no one will want to progress. if you can't get to the corner

you will not want a progressive running the city. i don't hi it matter wlz he apologizes or not. there's probably real things he can do to patch things up with the cops it begins to trying to understand them and how they felt canwhen they with in the street with something to say. he was talking about those protests talking about killer cops and it wasn't exaggerated. and the cops felt it. if he doesn't begin to understand how they felt, you know. >> so what you're getting at let me ask what do you see as the fundamental issue that is stopping the two sides from seeing eye to eye? >> well i think it is important that prior to the unfortunate incidents both with eric garner and the death of the two

officers, which are all incredible tragedies, there was a discussion and an effort in new york to change the way pleasing took place. it was the effort to end stop and frisk. which was a civil rights lawsuit. which ended up in a decision by federal judge to end stop and frisk. bill de blasio ran with the commitment that he would end stop and frisk. he ran. he achieved. almost 70% of the vote. and proceeded to settle that lawsuit. it is important to note and i think the other gentleman who is being interviewed by you made this point, that even after the end of stop and frisk crime continued to go down which defeats the argument of the prop oents that stop and frisk was essential to crime reduction in new york city.

now the mayor's job, is not to win a popularity contest amongst plaurs. police officers. the mayor's job is to serve the public interest. sometimes serving the public interest means changing the government that you adminster and a component of that government is the police department. i think that as much as people want to point fingers at mayor de blasio i found the comments of the patrolmen president to be across the line. and i find it very dpis tasteful and snot helpful for police officers who are part of if you will a para-military organization to turn their back on the mayor who is their commanding officer. i don't think we can countenance at this. speaking out is fair game. turning your back is not fair game. and i do think that mayor

guiliani's comments distract fra the real issue. the real issue is how can you continue to make new york a safe city while at the same time having a department which is respectful and effective and enjoys good relationships with all of the communities. that ought to be the objective. >> let me get michael to react. >> in new york almost no one considers the mayor the commanding officer of the police. >> but he is. look at the charter of the city of new york. it's okay to argue sem antics. >> he appoints the police commissioner but the police commissioner runs the police department. >> no question. and the mayor sets the budget airy policy and the mayor is going to have -- you can't divorce the role of the mayor because the commissioner serves at will. >> let michael finish his point.

>> also turning the back, there was some of that at the hospital. and one thing that happened at the funeral, traditionally, the band marchs the could'veffin into the church and the tone is set and everyone breaks up and talk to each other, when it time for the coffin to come back out everyone falls to attention. that didn't happen with in because it wasn't done the usual way. so you didn't have that moment where the tone gets set. the people who turpned their backs was out in the street turning to the jumbotron. some of it began with out of state people who turned their backs on the mayor because they read that is how you do it but a lot of police officers didn't do

it because they didn't want to show disrespect to the dead officer and his family. >> i want to broaden the conversation and talk about the interview president obama did with npr. he talked about passing racial profiling legislation when he was a state senator in illinois. and he said this what's your reaction to that? >> what i think it shows that people react to what their experiences are. if all of your experiences with the police and all of the experiences of those you know with the police are positive and good, you're going to have a high opinion.

if on the other hand you've had a negative experience with the police or you have family members who have had negative experiences with the police your position may be indeed, different. i think even in new york in those parts of the city where you have had high levels historically of stop and frisk, the police department is not as popular as they are in the areas where the levels of stop and frisk may be much lower. so we are all what our experiences are. it's interesting to have a discussion about racism. but the driving while black phenomenon and the disparity reported by numbers and information. i think one of the ways to discuss these issues particularly when it cops to criminal in justicejustice with the police is to get the facts on the table. which is why an anti-racial profiling law requires reporting of information by states and

local injures dicksjurisdictions give us statistical basis. if they estist they exist, if they don't they don't. then you can counter the perception if it is real. that's what we're talking about the the reality of the criminal justice system and police accountability. >> the president said he thinks that race relations in the country actually are pretty good. briefly, do you agree with the president? >> i think we have come an enormous distance. i'm here in new orleans. an enormous distance in this country. but you don't celebrate going part of the route. we got to go the full route. we still have work to do. we've come a long way, let's acknowledge that but work on what we have to do. >> great thank you both for coming on today. the sun is about to rise in

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as the sun gets set to rise over indonesia search crews from four different countries prepare for day three of the search for missing aircraft airasia qz8501 which disappeared over the java sea. responding to the question the defense department said it could provide assets. they believe the plane is at the bottom of the sea. a grim fate for the 162 on that flight. what is the current weather

situation over the java sea and how will it effect the search. >> it has cleared out for the time being. things are looking pretty good right now. we expect to see more scattered showers and storms. we saw an incredibly tall thunderstorms ahead of this flight. we want to show you the threats. you have a thunderstorms getting up to 50,000 feet in the at fos fear very strong up and down motions. here is the last known location in the search area off to the north and west. as you can see the weather has cleared out for the time being and things are looking better. here's a look at the thunderstorm as the plane is flying into the storm, it may encounter strong up and down drafts. this could also be hail. that could cause the engine to fail. there's super cool water that exists below freezing and once it comes in contact with objects

such a a plane it could freeze and damage very important instrumentation. that is what happened with air france 447 over the atlantic. they have taken steps to correct that but that certainly is one of the thing that's may have occurred in this case. let's talk about the forecast in goes forward. we expect more scattered showers and storms. there's the approximate search area in the java sea. and the green indicates spotty showers and storms as is the case this time of the year. we expect more of that over the next 48 hours. certainly could be concerns when heavy weather as they continue to search for this plane. back to you. ifs. >> thank you. joining me now former ntsb investigateor investigator, thank you for coming in. >> your welcome john athan. >> what do we know about this plane? about its technology and its safety record.

>> this particular air bus is one of the later or new generation aircraft that is in the fleet around the world. similar to a boeing 737 this is air bus workhorse version, a short hall long hall depending on the series model. a very reliable air plane with the latest technology called efis or glass cockpit technology and a very good in board radar system as well. >> do we know anything about the pilots particularly the one flying this particular flight the number of hours in the cockpit or anything like that. >> this captain had well over 20,000 hours of total flight time and better than 6,000 hours in the air bus. that will come into play when the investigation ramps up and they start looking at the back ground of the captain and the first officer. the first officer had about 2300 hours of it oatal flight time. in the united states for an airline pilot that's not a lot

of flight time but for that part of the world 2200 hours of experience is a lot of flight time for our first officer. >> it looks likely that what caused the crash is weather-related where do we stand on weather technology on airplanes. >> we go back and have to look at how it evolved. we knew in the 60s we had wind sheer and micro bursts and down drafts but didn't know what to call it. as we had more and more accidents we studied it and had radar that could predict or look ahead of the aircraft and determine where wind sheer environments may occur. with doppler radar and on board radar, pilots have a better picture as to what kind of weather lie as ahead.

it can paint this cloud mass ahead of you has a lot of precipitation, it's real dense, it paints it a different color. so you try to go to green and stay away from magenta, yell yellow. >> can we talk about the ejectable black boxes, if there was one on this plane that we would be getting pings already. talk about this. i'm having a hard time visualizing this. >> we talked about it in air france 447. the military has a version of ejectable black box, when certain perimeters are breached the flight data recorder, will separate from the aircraft when the aircraft is really deemed, you know, it's going to crash. and this recorder is separated from the aircraft puts out a signal we can go out and find

it even if we don't find the wreckage we at least have the information off the black box. it is technology that has been out there but not viable for commercial application. it takz maintenance and too much over sight and when does it eject who are ejects it how do we collect it how do we protect it. so there's a lot of questions but there's other technology out there that could use on board systems and the data recorder information and put it in data burst. you can get it every minute every 30 seconds, whatever time interval you want. that way we can build the scenario without ever finding the wreckage. >> thank you for the information. coming up was sony attack an inside job. the new questions about who is behind the move. and new reaction suggesting

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it took just days for the fbi to point the finger at north korea for the hack against sony pictures but many cyber security experts aren't so sure suggesting just because the attack had links to ip addresses in north korea doesn't mean they couldn't have could many from anywhere else in the world. it's like saying my god this bank robbery -- was used with a certain rifle, must be the russians. >> i can't imagine anything this massive happening in north korea without china being involved or at least know being it. >> joining me now is nbc news

correspondent, if it wasn't north korea who they think was. >> that's the million dollar question. i talked to a few who wondered/this wasn't an ex-sony employee pointing to the personal nature of the attack that it seemed vindictive. pyongyang has denied any attack. that said cyber security experts are wondering if maybe north korea is telling the truth. the fbi has a specific list of reasons why it believes this was a state-sponsored cyber attack. the code used were similar to previous attacks by north korea

one in particular against south korea banks. they pointed to the malware is similar to what they seen in previous north korea attacks. at this point the white house not backtracking. north korea is where blamt sits as of now -- where the blame sits as of now. >> thanks so much. meanwhile, one of the leaf exchanges raising eye brows was the suggestive -- that james bond was white, period. that is who james bond is. now sony is suggesting the next james bond should be idriselbra a black britain.

that's not who james bond is. we have 50 years of white bonds because bond is white. >> over the weekend, he responded for the first time, writing this. joining me now is host of msn msnbc's shift and writer. mark, let me start with you, a black james bond why not, yet it is so inconceivable to a lot of people. >> why not. this whole idea that james bond is white. he's scottish. he's not real. james bond is not real. he could be anything we want him to do. there could be a female james bond. it is absolutely ridiculous. to say in can't be a black james bond.

over 50 years whites have controlled hollywood otherwise there would have been a black james bond. >> there's a we want him for james bond facebook page with more than 31,000 likes, what do you think of the idea? >> a dream. me and all of the girls on twitter were going off when we heard this news. we are so protective of our characters even if they are fictional or what not. i know in 2005 when daniel craig was announced everyone was upset because of color. he's blond and bond is brunette. >> you wrote a piece talking about other traditionally white characters who got a white make over.

brandy on cinderella frm the wiz, diana ross as dorothy. i talked about morgan freeman has played god. god is a black man. >> even if you go back to the casting of presidents, whether gender or race gina davis playing the vp. now we have dreyfus, with the raise, talking about morgan freeman he made us all believe because of that voice that jesus could be black. >> one other character could be annie. >> which just opened. >> talk about annie black annie. >> yeah the piece i rote talked about how our heroes need to be representative of all colors. these are imaginary story telling, can we at least root it in reality if it doesn't take us all the way there in ters terms

of post-racial fantasies. >> how version was it to get that version of annie made and how hard is it in hollywood for black actors to take over traditionally white roles. >> it really depends who is behind it. annie has will smith and jada pinkett smith producing, the problem is annie is not getting a good review. the wiz, that is a plooclunky movie. you want to make great movies. you can have black characters. but it's the world we live in. from hollywood make sure it is a good movie. >> mark one other thing, i think in one of those e-mails it talked about how certain black actors

black male leads would do well in the states but once those films go over seas they don't make money at all? >> they talked about that with denzel washington. he had the movie, the equalizer, he is a force to be reckoned with. he can open a movie. different markets don't like different things. some markets won't like "the interview," as we know. some markets just don't get that kind of movie. or they won't like musicals. each market is different. ifs to make the change you have to have the change. we have to have more black actors in leading roles in so-called traditional white roles. >> how do we make that happen? it's great that jay z and jamie foxx is behind this movie but do

necessity have to they have to be behind every movie to make it happen. >> yes i think so. it is necessary that we en1450ursure that we have people not only on scene but behind scenes we have orange is the new black. shondra rhymes is saying incentivive is not the word what we should say is they are racist comments. >> mark last question to you. how much of an earthquake has this sony hack how much of an after shock is there in los angeles. >> there is a big after shock because everyone wondering if amy amy pascal will hold her job. then there's the question was it north korea? i'm doubtful.

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