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search has four countries participating in the search. that's all for now. "the ed show" next. good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota let's get to work! ba ♪ ♪ >> i think it's probably a riff that is going to go on a while longer. >> police officers are called peace officers. they keep the peace. >> the mayor is not -- is not in anyway to be treated with people turning their backs. >> the issues go far beyond race relations in this city. >> this is not a black america or white america. >> an asian american, latino
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america. >> this is the united states of america. >> the united states of america. good to have you with us folks, thanks for watching. this year we have watched protests with the issue of race and police at the forefront of the percent of americans facing race relation shot up the highest since rodney king trial in 1992. president obama sees it differently saying thisful . ul . l . . . .
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it's going to take a lot of work if you seen the news over the weekend. over 25,000 police officers from across the nation came to new york city to pay their respects at the funeral of officer rafael ramos. ramos and his partner were am del bushed by a man claiming revenge for the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. bill bratton used the moment to call forum empathy on both sides. >> maybe the struggle we are in is because we have come to see only what we represent instead of who we are. we don't see each other. if we can, if we can learn to see each other, to see that our
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cops are people like officer ramos and officer wenjian liu, to see our communities are just like them too, when we see each other we will heal. we will heal as a department as a city, we'll heal as a country. >> unfortunately, the biggest take away from this weekend's funeral is the moment hundreds of police officers turned their backs when new york city mayor bill de blasio was speaking. the fact of disrespect this act of disrespect comes after patrick lynch, head of the city's largest police union said mayor de blasio had the officer's blood on his hand. >> this is a mayor that cares very deeply about new york police officers and cares deeply about the divide in this city at this time and is working very
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hard to heal that divide. i certainly don't support that action yesterday. i think was very inappropriate at this event. that funeral was held to honor officer ramos and to bring politics issues into that event, i think was very inappropriate and i do not support it. >> i couldn't agree more. even former new york city mayor if said it was the wrong method. >> the mayor of the city of new york should not be blamed for the murder of those police officers. that issue should not have been injected injected. it's wrong. i don't support that. the mayor is not -- is not in anyway to be treated with people turning their backs. doesn't matter if you like the mayor or you don't like the mayor, you have to respect the mayor's position. i don't support thatful -- that. >> we've reached out to police
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union and they are holding off comments. it is hard to ignore the growing rift. why is it that there's such discontent on the part of the new york city police towards mayor de blasio. it seems to me the procedures by the police and operation gsz of the police in new york are pretty much the same as they were under michael bloomberg but it seems nationwide wants change procedurally when it comes to racial profiling. maybe the mayor hasn't done enough and talked too much. but for the police union to hit and run, make a comment and then say we're not going to talk about it any more until after the funeral the damage has already been done. i believe mr. lynch has an obligation to communicate what his problem is with the mayor of new york city. he is the elect the mayor.
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the police department is supposed to protect and serve. that was an unusual platform to show political discontent with the mayor who is elected by the people. i don't see any ground swell effort to get rid of the mayor of the city bill de blasio, but i do sense a lot of discontent amongst those who live in the city that maybe they should change their procedures. you know we all want the same things, a safe city, we all want to be respectful. i think for what the police officers did at that funeral was a sign of disrespect at the wrong tile. get your cellphones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question have race relations improved in america. a for yes, b for no, to 67622. we'll bring you results later in the show. joining me tonight williams new york city counsel membership and state senator of new york.
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gentleman great to have you with us tonight. i want your e. reaction to the funeral of the police officer and the fact that the police turned their backs on the mayor. councilmember williams your thoughts? was it the right thing for them do. >> of course not. it is deplorable. many of us said maybe for a day or two maybe the protests could take a hiaitus but unfortunately it fell on deaf ears. unfortunately many of the people speaking loudest are the union side, are using this tragedy. they have been part of a three or four year temper tantrum they have been doing, they don't want any conversation on police reform at all. so last year city counsel passed
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some reforms and the sky didn't fall. actually crime has continued. they lost that battle in the city counsel. they lost that battle in the federal judge's court several times and they also lost in the election so they are frustrated and taking this to a feverish rhetorical pitch, and i think it is dangerous. >> perfect former mayor thinking the now mayor bill de blasio should apologize to the police department. do you agree and what would it be for. >> i am dismayed that the former mayor is even in this conversation because he shouldn't be. he didn't leave here on a high note and i don't think he did much for the city. my hope is that he would be less quiet not more talkative. i do think this conversation has to continue and we have to do it in a manner that is civil.
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i think it is unfair to say to black, brown and poor communities that they have no right to be on part of the discussion of how they are pleased and discuss how resources are given to them. >> mr. sanders, state senator sanders, what do you think has to be done right now, is there this great of a divide in the city of new york that is just basically a microcosm of what we might be seeing nationally. what do you see is the remedy here? >> as new york goes in one sense, so goes the nation. i think that what we're seeing is that finally the sickness that has been under the cover has finally come to a fever pitch. it is coming out in the open and that is what needs to be dealt with. some people will say that we should push it back down. that we need to go back to the good old days of seemingly silence. and they are going to argue that that was a better time. but i'm just curious my friends,
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i'm curious that why is it when we speak of the black community, there has to be given a false dikot my. either constitutional rights or safety. why can't the black community and other people of color have the same thing that everybody in america wants, a safe place where their rights are protected. and that false dichotomy if you are saying that you have rights then you're somehow supportive of anti-police or something of this nature, is madness. and the quiet new yorkers are about to speak. a press conference is being organized on wednesday where we will come out and have good police and good citizens come together and say we want a civil conversation here. the rhetoric the inflammatory
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remarks that pat lynch is making, must be stopped. this is not our way and we don't want to go to that way. the good people will make their point on wednesday coming. >> just to piggy back on that. we have been asking them to come to the table to have a conversation for years and they simply refuse to do that. even the bills we pass in city council we changed the bill and they still refuse to come to the table and frystill trying to demonize it still keep appealing, appealing, it's like they don't want a discussion to happen even though we keep getting safer and even though those changes are coming. if they come to the table we can all get past this and it will be behind us but they keep putting up this ridiculous dangerous retorical front hathat makes no
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sense. >> senator sanders, have we lost sight of the fact that this was a mentally unstable man who took the life of these two officers and this discussion has spiralled off into a lot of other problems because of the rhetoric. blaming the mayor, there's blood on his hands, how so? your thoughts on that. >> first thing's first. let's say that any deranged person blaming stuff on anyone we don't want such madness in our movement. deranged folk have no place here. ours is a movement of reform and of justice and a deranged person involving themselves does us no favor. let's be clear, when people are saying that the mayor should apologize, the question is apologize for what? for telling his son how to survive a police encounter? apologize for what?
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if there is any apology that needs to be made pat lynch owes the city of an apology for heeding us to this point of danger where lines are drawn so firm in the minds of some that if you did not support anything and everything that the police do whether right or wrong, you are anti-police and a danger. >> well and the thing that gets me here is that if they're going to turn their backs on a mayor at a funeral it signals that they will take any format or platform they can to show their discontent to the mayor. >> that is scary. >> yeah. i think it is scary too. i think it was an error in judgment in a big way. did the family know that they were going to do this? was it spontaneous. >> it was disrespectful to the
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officer. we should be focused on the officer officer's family. the deranged person also shot a young black woman before hand no protest on black woman, still she was shot. they have grabbed this because this is their last grasp because they have nothing else to grasp onto. every other thing they have put forth in the public has been debunched. the myth of about police reform being anti-police. the myth of stop and frisk. this myth that if we have an inspector general that police will know what to do. they are losing all of those conversations. and they have grabbed onto this and made this mass hifterria. hift hysterical. this has to stop. >> this is why we are bringing
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together good police officers who will join us on our press conference on wednesday where we will have other good police officers coming forward with citizens and saying we all need to pull back from the edge that pat inchlynch are taking us to. let's have a civil discussion. they are needed refors reforsms. >> i think that is a profound point. because bill de blasio is mayor this is how our lives have changed? i just don't see it. i don't think much has changed from bloomberg to de blasio. what am i missing here senator? >> there has been is some changes. not as much as should have. obviously the stops have gone down considerably. they were going down under blook
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bloomburg. there has been changes in the marijuana arrests. changes in summons. they stopped the appeal in federal court of the two bills. some things have happened. as we're moving towards where we should be crime hasn't sky rocketed. so the only thing that's changed is the rhetoric has increased. >> one thing that is important that has changed is the question of hope the question of that we would see some progressive movement in new york city. many of these moves i would argue are aimed not simply at the mayor but what the mayor represents, a progressive start of new york. so ift is a push back on any progressive motion. >> williams and sanders great to have you with us gentleman, appreciate your time. we will continue this discussion. thank you sirs. remember to answer tonight's question, we want to know what you think. follow us on twitter and like us
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on facebook. thank you. coming up we have the latest on the search for flight 85 o 1, plus how low gas prices are pumping up u.s. foreign policy. keep it here.
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for joining ustonight. it's just after 5:00 a.m. local time in indonesia, in search of the airasia 8501 head of indonesia national search and rescue think the plane is at the bottom of the sea.
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the flight lost contact sunday morning after pilots requested a change of altitude to avoid bad weather. it was carrying 512 carrying 162 passengers all together. the captain had over 20,000 hours of experience. indonesia is leading a search and rescue mission to find the aircraft aided by singapore and malaysia. australian aircraft is helping. this afternoon indonesia government asked the united states for assistance. the state department is reviewing the request and could include some air surface and sub surface detection capabilities. the ntsb and faa say they will deploy experts of they are requested. i'm joined by aviation analyst
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and former ntsb investigator. good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> just drawing on a little bit of my experience. i've been flying for 30 years. i think the vital piece of information here is that the pilots requested an altitude change and shortly after that there was no more communication with the flight. now this brings us to a number of different options, doesn't it. the pilots knew they were going into bad weather. the radar screens in the cockpit of these aircrafts don't lie. when it is red, scar the and pink you have issues ahead of you, what do you make of all this. >> i think from the standpoint of the crew they were monitoring their weather, using the on board weather radar to do that. to me it looks as though they perceived a threat from what they saw on the radar and asked for deviation, not only off
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course but an altitude change to 38,000 feet. they were held at 32,000 feet because of other traffic. the question is by holding them at 32,000 and not allowing them to climb did that put them in harm's way. they perceived a threat and were trying to get out of harm's way. >> it is known that the monsoon season is taking place right now. this part of the world is known for violent thunderstorms with tops of 65,000 to 70,000 feet. if this aircraft is traveling in the 30s they could be right in the thick of down drafts and it is a fact that violent down drafts can rip apart a fusel lodge would you agree. >> absolutely. as investigator i've seen that happen a number of times where
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pilots have gotten themselves into a thunderstorm and just by the up and down drafts and violence that takes place, the air plane has been torn apart. however with commercial airliners they are very robust with a very strong structure. while we all want to avoid flying through thunderstorms as pilots we try to maintain that 20 mile radius around a thunderstorm. if a commercial airliner gets into a thunderstorm like that while it may not totally destroy the aircraft it could create some damage to the aircraft and render the airplane incapacitated so the flight crew cannot control it. >> well i've been in turbulence before where it knocked out my auto pilot, because the serveo went it can do damage to an aircraft, no question about that. the other thing interesting that was reported is this aircraft was traveling under 400 knots.
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if that's the case in an aircraft that normally does 500 knots, this air bus 8320 that means at least it tells me i'm not an investigator that either they were pushing some -- facing some heavy head winds over 100 knots or the pilot had slowed the aircraft down because he anticipated a problem and wanted to give himselves a few more seconds to divert away from what was on the radar screen. i'm coming to a number of different conclusions but this does make sense? doesn't it? >> absolutely. or could be a combination of both. you know as a pilot whenever you get into severe turbulence you want to slow the airplane down to a maneuvering speed because you want to reduce the effects of the gust loads, the instant shocks to the airplane that you get in turbulence because that's what does the damage. so the pilot may have slowed the
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aircraft down because they were in turbulence, they may also have been facing a head kinwind from those thunderstorms. we don't have valid radar data that i've seen there's a lot of date talk floating around out there, but that data is ground speed not indicated airspeed. all we can do is trend if the ground speed has slowed down it could be for one of those two reasons or combination of both that you mentioned, getting into a head wind and or a pilot action. >> and of course the infamous black box would tell us just about everything we need to know based on what we know so far of speculating on possibly what would have happened. but this is also an issue from thing that's have been reported our skies are crowded and these air traffic controllers did not
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accommodate the pilot's request to change altitude. now the pilots are going to ask for a request because either they're getting bounced around that they got to get out of it or they foresee something coming on that they just don't want to go through and all of a sudden there's no contact. so a key portion here is why weren't they allowed to change altitude. what do you think of that? >> well you have to remember the primary duty of air traffic controller is aircraft separation. that's their sole responsibility. all of the other duties about providing weather to a pilot is secondary an first degreed if they have crossing traffic they have to maintain the accept tlagsseparation that is required by international standards. while controllers denied the question to climb to 38,000 feet it was because there was a conflict. if the pilot of 8501 really
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believed they had a problem he should have declared an merge sand expressed to the controller that would have given that pilot and aircraft priority and the controller would have by law, basically regulatory law have had to accommodate that question but if it was just hey, we want to climb, that won't have prime assy over traffic separation and the responsibility of that controller. >> greg great to have you with us tonight, appreciate your expertise on "the ed show." >> thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up gas prices plummeting over seas and later in the two minute drill, it's black monday in the nfl. ask ed live just ahead. stay with us. thanks. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin)
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching. in the final few days of 2014 traders are expecting a big year over year zooe decline in oil prices. detroit layingkes, $2.13 i'm loving it. over the past six months cost of crude oil tumbled nearly 50%.
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closed 55 on friday sending shock waves aacross the world. several big oil markets like iran and russia feeling the impact big tile. american production road from 9 million barrels a day from 5 million a day in 2008. the 4 million barrel increase is more either iraq or iran. the hard hit oil producers are blaming the united states for their woes. there's trouble in vladimir putin's paradise. russia has suggesting washington and saudi arabia are working together to deliberately drive prices down. last year one third experts came from crude oil. according to russia needs about a hundred dollars per barrel to balance its budget. the ripple effects are spreading
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further than just russia. looking at these numbers, and what it is doing to the russians economy, how nervous does that make you knowing that putin can be a pretty unpredictable character? what do you make of all of this. >> any time there's trouble in any economy it is time to be concerned. putin is a person we ought to be concerned about. he needs to secure his political fortunes in russia by blaming somebody. to suggest saudi arabia and united states are conspireing to lower gas prices is far fetched but that is what he's telling
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his people, there's got to be an enemy. the problem is will he reach else where to take attention away from what will be a troubled economy in the year ahead. that could be a certain and we have seen some of that in the ukraine. >> yeah, the former finance minister of russia warned of a full-blown economic crisis and called for better relations with europe and the united states. that doesn't sound like the way putin operates. what are your expectations? >> well maybe it is the yin and ying the left and right trying to find some way to nstabilize their situation. i don't see oil prices moving very far. we do have an all of the above domestic policy here. we have seen that 4 million barrel a day increase in production since mr. president obama has taken office and it is his policy. we have also seen a major step
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forward in the united states on all of the green technologies. we just past a new tax law that continued the subsidies for all of the green technologies. so we're on track here to one, maintain our oil production and gas production, as well as moving very aggressively to other technologies to provide us with the energy we need. solar, wind biofuels of all kinds. so i don't think we're going to see these prices go up very rapidly. now opec may step in. there's talk that they may. but they're not going to be able to easily over come all of the above strategyies that president obama has put in place successfully here in the united states. >> congressman appreciate your time thanks so much. joining me now radio host mike there is a geopolitical play
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here with keystone. if the president approves keystone as far as putin is concerned it will look like we're throwing more oil on the market to make their economies worse what do you make of this play? >> there's another factor. from america cheaper fuel is spectacular. easy to talk about cheaper fuel. it obviously means dispose bel income to buy big ticket consumer ielt themes because of that consumer goods need to be manufactured and more jobs created. really there's a bigger problem. you can't miss the fact that there's another side to this. this is what the discussion needs to be. the bank of england has the financial policy committee. for decades that group has monitored both positive and negative systemic changes in the world economy. i think they got it right when they pointed out that their significant geopolitical risk to
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what is going on with falling oil prices. keystone i'm not sure it will change things but looks like it is putting more pressure on oil prices. depressed oil prices cause problems for countries like iran losing $1 billion a month. one of the chief economists in that earia of the world admits iran needs money desperately. russia is experiencing triple face in the face sanctions to the ukraine, ruble falling because of health gaps and now oil $115 a barrel reduced to $60. add keystone to it and it ask a big pressure area from geopolitics not just domestic issues any more. >> the republicans wanted to drill, baby drill. we've been drilling now there's a world effect here. also our consumption is
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different because of all of the green technology and the effort we've made as a society to do things differently. this is hitting the balken shale too. there's a scale back in the economy in the northern tier because of the oil prices as well. they're taking the profits through the roof right now. the big play here though this is a real opportunity for foreign policy, though, isn't it? >> absolutely it is a great opportunity for foreign policy. there's a great domino effect. for example, venezuela, largest oil reserves in the world, 95% of their export money come from oil reserves they ship out of the country. how do they repay massive debts to europe and asia banks that finance in venezuela. >> they refinance. >> absolutely. so look is it a good thing that
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russia experiences financial crisis because of the oil issue, no it is not. because they stop investing in european business. >> the big story in 2014 has been the american economy. >> right. >> all of the obstruction has not stopped. the entrepreneurial spirit of the american people. look at stock market and the number of people that have gotten jobs back and look at the corporate profits. what we need now is invest many. there's more opportunity in investment in the infrastructure we're the guiding light in the world economy and it is a real opportunity for america to move forward with these prices the way they are. thank you for joining us here on "the ed show." coming up we will count down the most memorable conservative talking points of the year. days,
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here we go on tonight's two minute drill. it's the firing season in the nfl. there's two kinds of coaches, them that's been fired and them that's going to get fired. new york jets got rid of rex ryan. had 46-50 record over six years. gm also was tossed out. they did take them to two championship games. mark tressman out with the bears. more of a jake cutler problem than tressman but when you lose five games to end the season is not good. jim harbaugh leaving the 49ers to go coach at the university of michigan.
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big bucks. michigan sees what it would really be like to be in the final four playoff instead of ohio state. that's what that's all about. and weren't the packers awesome? awesome? how about that community-owned green bay packers. i'm a big fan! keep it right here. we're right back on "the ed show." you should just give them to us i mean, we're going to be there anyway why don't you just leave it for us to pick up? or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option it's kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk
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welcome back to the ed show. finally tonight, 2014 we saw the worst of conservative media.
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there's a list compiled of the biggest ethical disasters. fox news paraded around their part-time contributor and full-time carpet bagger scott braun. >> good morning, how are you? >> actually, you're doing really well. yesterday you got an endorsement from a prominent democrat. >> a lot of buzz about this picture of you in your polar plunge. do we have that picture? all the women on the staff are going nuts and immediately -- take a look at this ladies. immediately, senator, had me thinking of a certain other massachusetts guy. his name escapes me. this picture. john kennedy, that moment. what do you think? >> well first of all, i'm just being myself. >> i think both sides are saying you're one of the finest politicians that that i seen because you like people and you like meeting them. and you'll have a few beers with
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them. >> but he just can't win. scott brown used the network as a springboard for his failed campaign. fox news was happy to play along. new hampshire didn't take the bait, but fox welcomed him back with open arms. media matters also named george will as the misinformer of the year. the conservative columnist wrote privilege is a byproduct -- his essay undercuts the effort to combat sexual assault while belittling victims. the conservative wouldn't apologize. he doubled down. after backlash he lost readers and credibility. not a good year. joining me tonight, zerlina maxwell, political analyst, and also eric bowler senior fella at media matters. not a good year for george will. he also spread false information on ebola during the height of the panic. what do you make of that?
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what has he done to the face of conservative media? >> he's supposed to be the intellectual. the conservative on abc for decades. they got tired of him. so he runs to fox news. and he truly exposes himself of what he really thinks, you know as you said, went on national television suggesting that ebola could be spread through the air, which is just insanely irresponsible. almost as insanely inresponsible, suggesting there's privilege status for sexual assault victims. those two right there, were really reprehensible and really went to the core of conservative media's major problems this year, which was ebola hysteria and then trying to down play the sexual assaults on campus. >> zerlina, how much damage did
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his comments due to combatting sexual assault in society? >> he was just another person making a victim-blaming argument, basically asserting that victims come forward and claim they've been sexually assaulted and then stand to benefit anything. in order to agree with george will you have to agree that there's a privilege status or some sort of benefit to coming forward and talking about your experience with sexual assault. and we know that that is not true. i think that so many instances this year especially with bill cosby and uva and also all of the campus activists, it's clear, there is no privileged status that comes with sexual assault. so he's another example of an out-of-touch person living in the past. >> eric what about fox news cuddling up to scott brown? i mean it was never about policy. it was never about you know what he has accomplished, or where he'd want to take the
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state. i just find they cradled this guy because they liked him. doesn't have to do with any kind of policy or his record as a leader. did they set new standards for journalistic ethics with their treatment of this guy? >> they've set that standard low for many years now. scott brown owes his career to fox news. mike huckabee owes his political career to fox news. ben carson who is polling well among republicans, owes his career to his fox news platform. fox news has replaced the rnc, set the guidelines for the primaries. for the republican primary. we'll see a repeat in 2016 from what we saw in 2012. fox news is going to run the republican primary. and if you're on their shows, you're going to get a leg up. down side is you then owe fox news your political career. >> right. >> zerlina, didn't fox pretty
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much double down after 2012 gearing up for the mid terms in '14? i mean they just doubled down even went further to the right as i saw it. >> one of the things we need to be talking about specifically as democrats at the end of the year calling them out on all of their wrong information and misinformation about obamacare. right now, today there are ten million people with health insurance that at the beginning of the year didn't have health insurance. and fox news they kept beating that anti-obamacare hysteria drum all along and yet after the midterm elections, you can hear a pin drop when it comes to obamacare. you don't hear them talking about it as much. >> dodd-frank was going to kill wall street. we're over 18,000 by the way. >> right, hysterical. >> obamacare was going to be a job killer. that didn't happen. >> gas was going to be $5. >> let's roll it back to the bush tax cuts. if we allow them to expire it's
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going to be a job killer. they have been wrong on everything and have not contributed at all to the success of this obama economy as we close out 2014. zerlina, eric great to have you with us. appreciate your time. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, ed and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead time to start a new national conversation about policing in america. it's the civil rights issue of our time. we need to honor our police and respect good policing. but we also need to ease tensions in communities. because this problem isn't going away. today new york mayor bill de blasio addressed police academy graduates. he talked about the deaths of officer rafael ramos and wenjian liu. and