. >> msnbc takes you into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you have never seen. lock up, raw. >> lock up's interviews with some of the most notorious criminals behind bars provided insights into what drives the horrific acts of violence. >> it was like i snapped.

>> he disrespected me. that's all it takes. >> i started singing the battle hymn of the republic, glory glory hallelujah. >> i ain't going to live with punks and rats. you see what i mean? >> we filmed in dozens of prisons intrusion some of america's most determiniangerou deadly inmates. it's not until you step back to get a sense of where they are coming from the evil that exists across the table. >> nestled at the base of majestic glaciers, seward, alaska is known for more than breathtaking natural beauty. it is also home to the spring creek correctional facility,

alaska's only maximum security prison. it's here that we encounter karl able, one of the most memorable killers profiled on lock up. it didn't take long to make clear the opinions of fellow inmates. >> they can say what they want to say. they are punks. the people in control know they are punks. >> he came after being convicted of murdering a coworker. >> i caved his head in. caved it in totally. the biggest fragment of bone they found was about the size of a half dollar. i got out of hand and kept on hanging out and beating on it more. we were interested in the gory stuff and how the decomposition would be.

it was twisted there. >> the raw interview goes on to reveal the most grizzly aspect. >> the whole sentence is what? >> 70 years. i got six months for cruelty to animals? >> for what? >> crueltiy is on may y ito ani. >> a cat was chewing on him so i nuked the cat. i intended to kill him, but i didn't do a good enough job. >> how do do you that? >> stuck him in the microwave and turned it on. 2 1/2 minutes wasn't long enough. i had a valid reason. i didn't do it for hicks. he was chewing on the dead guy. >> he killed again in 2004. this time the victim was his cellmate. >> she doing life for killing

his mom and he was bragging about it. i killed mommy and i'm getting out in 20 years. okay then. i sit here and listen to garbage and if you tell, you are full of crap. someone will call me a rat. you call me a rat, i will put you in the ground. >> most fellow inmates infuriate him, he wanted our female producer to know he has nothing but respect for women and children. >> i have zero tolerance. they disrespect a woman and try to take sexually, i will put them in the ground. rapos, child molesters, you can't cure them. there is no cure for them. you kill them. that's how you deal with the problem. then there is no more problem. >> he gave us this graphic account of how he murdered his cellmate. >> he was talking about how he was going to strangle this lady.

i wrapped a she'd around his head and said you ain't doing nothing. go say hi to mommy. >> he kept on breathing and i didn't have the wire. you can decapitate someone and i decapitated him with the sheets and it was about minutes of fighting around and i finally got it on his neck and he hemorrhaged all over the place and that's when he stopped. then i shoved his handkerchief down his throat. >> i'm the first guy that killed him out.

there little punks running around. >> moments after he was placed back in the cell, he was in conflint with the inmate in the neighboring cell. >> this is what they call cell warriors. no one can get at each other. they try to stir each other up. >> able is expected to serve out the rest of his sentence if not his life in spring creek's max unit. he left our crew with these words. >> i have redeeming qualities.

i'm not a bully looking around to [ bleep ] somebody. i want to be left alone. that's all. if i can give them that, i don't know. i try to think positive. there is always things getting worse. things can get worse. i hope they don't. >> when we travel to the national security institution in tennessee, we encountered a young inmate also driven to kill and his story was absolutely chilling. >> i murdered my aunt. put on a hockey mask and brown cover alls and brown boots. they said i was mad at my mom for the way she was treating me. i figured if i killed her sister, i didn't want to kill my mom, but if i killed her sister,

it would kill her slowly emotional emotionally. >> he was 15 at the time of the murder. when we met him, he told our producer he relates with two notorious and fictional killers. >> i become a killer like them, i'm fascinated with the way they were. i heard voices like jason, one of my characters. they told me how to kill people and when to do it. i was possessed for six years. there was a demon out the window. gent lives outside my window. most of the time he sings and hums to me. he aggravates me sometimes. i can't sleep. >> when we noticed his scarred arm, she learns that sometimes he directs violence at himself. >> i cut my vain open five

times, twice with a spoon and once with a razor blade to watch the blood come out. it took 15 years of bottled anger to do what i did. if i keep bottling it up again, i will do it again. >> he's not going to get that chance any time soon. he is not eligible for parole until 2057. >> if i go back in time, i escape when i had the chance. or at least take out 30 people with before i go. have a little fun out there. >> our interview had to do with the chilling outlook on his life. >> this is what i was put on earth for. to be a cereal killer. maybe i wouldn't do that, but since i ain't got now chance to get out, i may as well carry out my plan. >> which is? >> kill as many people as i can before i die.

>> i have been told i'm pretty hard core. >> next on lock up raw. >> i start to turn off the camera slowly as i inch my way backwards. >> a close call with one of the most dangerous inmates in kentucky. >> i took a knife and stabbed him with it three or four times and butchered him with it.

in many cases the lifers committed crimes as teenagers and they adjusted to the rules and demands of prison life.

still there inmates like alex bennett who don't always agree with or abide by the rules. >> i'm a person who has been in the joint all of my life. i have been told i'm pretty hard core. i need a certain type of environment. >> you got something you want to say to me, we can get it on national tv here. >> everything about alex's mannerisms, appearance and the words he spoke said convict. he embodied that. >> bennett was 54 years old when he met him and spent 33 of those years behind bars for robbery, kidnapping and murder. >> the system today is not like the system i came into 36 years ago. the system today has the

majority of their inmates programmed to do what they are told when they are told to do it. they get to the point where they expect that from everybody. well, there is a few old dogs around who like to do things their own way. >> bennett's way of doing things had horrifying results. after adapting to in a single person cell, he was transferred to a lower security prison in 1998. he had more privileges there, but also had to share a cell. that's when things began to go very wrong. >> i'm not going to live with child molesters. i'm not going to live with punks. i'm not going to live with rats. i need my privacy and that's the most important thing to me. i was determined to get that and i got it. >> after the request to return to a single cell was denied, he

took matters into his own hands at the expense of his new cellmate. >> i took a and stabbed him three or four times until he was dead. then i butchered him with it. i cut him up into little pieces. i told the warden, this is what i left you. now you will give me a transfer or one of y'all will be next. i have a choice. i have nothing to lose. i don't have nothing to lose. >> usually i hang out right here. this is my spot. i used to stay over there, but the child killers took it over and they can have it. i don't argue with nobody about spots. i feel like the whole joint belongs to me since i killed to get here.

>> insane psychopathic murder. >> but later, bennett revealed he did care what the lock up audience would think of him. >> nancy took me to meet alex to get a few extra shots of him. he was taking a long draw off of a cigarette and i started to see the gears turning in alex's mind a little bit. he said why do you need all of this footage. i don't get it. why do you need all this footage about me? >> it don't make a lot of sense. >> what's that? >> just sitting here looking goofy. >> he was upset. it was like a switch. he went from being terribly cooperative to not being happy about this situation. there was a really, really discernible shift in his demeanor. >> you know what i think? >> whatever you were going to do, i just wanted to get some

shots of you in your cell. >> i'm thinking that y'all are going to all these prisons, talking to all these people such as myself, you know. people who's never getting out. this thing ain't recording? >> i started to turn off the camera and begin reasoning with alex slowly as i inch my way backwards out of the cell. alex, it's important to get this story. we want to hear your voice. i don't know if i was getting through, but i know i was getting closer to that entrance of that cell. we turned and started walking down the cell tier. we get to the entrance and nancy is white. she said to me, i don't know if you realize how lucky you are right now. >> hail might have been lucky and made it out of kentucky

knowing alex bennett never will. bennett accepted that. >> i never think about the outside world, never ever. i don't dream about the outside world. i'm 100% prison. i'm 100% -- prison is my life. this is all i've got and all i think about. >> coming up on lock up raw, a prolific prison killer reflects on his crimes on the inside. >> i stabbed him 36 times. i am willing to put so many holes in him that there was no chance he could survive. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything? unh-uh. number 44... whoooo! forty-four, that's me! get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts! whooo! gimme some! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent

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>> these are places where the inmates are kind of true life hannibal-ele lechters. it puts our crews on a one on one basis with some of the most dangerous in america. the interview process has to

happen through glass. >> such was the case when the theme steven huguely at the complex in eastern tennessee. he had been in prison for more than 20 years and scheduled to be executed the following month. >> i shot my mother and threw her off of a bridge. we had had problems for years and it just finally reached a head. a girl that i had a date with called her and when i answered the phone, my mother, she came out of her bedroom and started coming down the hall way. she screamed, is that another one of them littler whos. it was like i snapped. i told the girl that i had a date with i will be up to get

you in a little bit. i'm fixing to kill this pitch. i got a rifle and shot her. then i carried her and dumped her in the river and went on my date. i felt a great deal of contempt towards her because of the way she belittled my father and was constantly putting him down. after a few years of that, it made me to where i really didn't feel anything towards her. >> throughout the hour long interview, he rarely displayed emotion. recalling how his mother broke the news of his father's death when he was 12. >> she turned around and said ronnie's dead. they found him dead in his car. he committed suicide. i will put you on a bus and send you to michigan for the funeral. that was it. that made me hate her because

from that day forward, i knew i was going to kill her. eventually. he was sentenced to in prison for killing his mother. it wouldn't be the last time. while incarcerated at a different prison, he stabbed an inmate 67 times after the man and two friends allegedly threatened him. >> all three of them came up to my cell and i slaughtered him and went after them two and they took off running. i was going to kill them. >> after receiving an additional life sentence for killing the inmate, 13 years later, he murdered again. in this unedited footage, he describes how and why he killed a prison counsellor. >> the plan was to kill him, get

the death penalty, use the lethal injection as a means of suicide since i didn't have the guts to do it myself. in january i killed him. the first thing i said is i want the death penalty and i want to be executed. here we are. >> how did you kill him? >> stabbed him 36 times. i wanted to put so many holes in him there was no chance he could survive. if you put enough holes in them, they can't get out and they will die. i have seen people stabbed 17 or 18 times and get up and walk away. >> that's incredibly graphic and horrible. >> i agree. >> it's horrible. i mean -- >> i agree. i never lost a minute of sleep over anything i have done. if somebody who commits

premeditated first-degree murder tells you they have remorse, they are a liar. it's impossible to commit premeditated murder and say you have remorse. how will you be remorseful about something you intended to do? >> he was sentenced to death for killing the counsellor and transferred to death row located at the river bend maximum security institution more than 100 miles away. lock up cameras were there as he left brushy mountain. >> my life fits in two bags. see you later. >> i look at death as a new beginning. i don't fear it because it's what i want. i'm the that manipulated the

system into giving me what i want. it's more like me killing myself than them killing me. i get the same adrenaline rush that i would if i was killing somebody else. it's no different. >>. >> days after this, the prison would not grant him a contact visit with his daughter. he was granted a stay of excuse and returned to brushy mountain. next on lock up raw -- >> i don't know if you want to run into me. >> we mead inmates with a reign of terror. >> when they come up and back up and be handcuffed, i say come on in here and get me. >> they encounter two inmates whose crimes share a common element.

>> i wasn't the same person who did that.

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criminal mind whose violent and bizarre actions knows no end. >> you have a lot of people around here. >> when we first met avery taylor at pelican bay state prison, he had to be range inned by two officers for the interview. >> i got it. >> you got it. >> look at our man right here. you have this where did you say you were from? >> msnbc. >> nbc? >> msnbc. >> they called my double life because i got two life sentences and godzilla because i have more points than anybody else. i fight everybody. i fight anybody who fights with

me. i have been in the hole 19 years straight. >> taylor he spent all those years in the shoe because of more infractions than anyone we profiled. >> i had my nose broke, hip broke, shoulder and foot broke in a confrontation with the police. hospital distractions, shower distractions. anywhere you can get into a fight, i got into a fight. >> when our crew visited, he felt compelled to let them know that nobody is entirely safe around him. >> i don't know if you want to run into him. >> he became more comfortable and gave me a show of his cell. >> you don't see nothing here but medication resources and that's the monster bar of soap that i put together to do my

laundry. that's what i was doing. >> what are do you do with this butter? >> you got the real thing on the streets. that's what they use in here. you can't get whatever they sell on the streets. ky jelly. that's what that is. >> i use my butter to make impressions. >> taylor was referring to the bizarre defiled letters he sends to prison officials. >> a typical letter to me will be about a five-page scrolled letter with the second and third pages coated in semen and an imprint of his penis. i answer whatever question he asked and send it back. >> he wanted to get a reaction from enemies who might one day see this interview.

>> i got killing to do. you don't run your mouth. i have a big mouth. you talk about tv personalities, i got people that i have to have. they don't come up six feet short. i got people who are chasing me. it will be like that for a little while. they would rather get aids. they would rather catch ebola. that's what i'm thinking. >> i see you when i see you, probably a long time. >> johnson stirred up more than his share of trouble behind bars. johnson's first arrest was at the age of 15 for armed robbery. since then, he spent more than 30 years behind bars, most within the stone ram parts of kentucky state penitentiary.

>> this looks like a gladiator school down here. you come down here, you either fight, you are going to be somebody's punk. it's that simple. so to survive in here, i fight. so we fought. i whipped their as all-around. >> in this previously unaired footage, johnson recalls the legacy of violence he unleashed on officers in kentucky's three-cell house, the hole. >> when you turn around and be handcuffed, i said come in and get me. let's do it. when they fight me, they don't care. i be shackled to the bed no telling how many times. i was maced so much, they said it don't even affect me. he is immune. they shoot me with a tazer gun

and whatever. it will take more than that to calm me down. when they come up with something new, they try it on me. to see if it works. >> i had the sense that he loved to have an audience. he was a great story teller and he knew it. >> a lot of officers i fought, some of them quit through me. >> one of the officers barely escaped with his life. >> i took a five-gallon bucket from boiling and bleach and salt and everything and it was so hot, i took a spoon and it just curled up. that's how hot it was. i threw it on him. threw the whole bucket on him. >> what did he do that made you want to assault him? >> he disrespected me.

that's all it takes. back then that's all it took. a simple disrespect. >> he survived, but the incident caused the state to institute hazard pay and he received 15 years tacked on to his sentence. it wasn't just ksp officer who is experienced his wrath. he also took it out on his own cell. >> i said i told about 400 toilets out of the wall and tore off about five or 6,000 mattresses and probably 20,000 sheets and blankets and doors i tore off the hinges. you are talking to me that they were -- this one man was costing the state millions. couldn't nobody break me. nobody. >> these days, he claims he is too old for the violence he used

to commit and they released him for good behavior. slowing down can't reduce the consequences of his actions and they are beginning to weigh a little more heavily on his mind. >> the most disturbing thing of it all is today it occurred to a person in all of the years that you fought physical battles that you thought was right and good and just was wrong. to know that is a very hurting thing. you look back of all the people you hurt through your battles, it's painful. and so the only way to make good on it is to do something constructively and home it makes a difference somewhere. >> coming up on lock up raw. >> i started singing the battle

hymn of the republic, glory glory hallelujah. >> two inmates kill when their minds turn on them. >> they said what are you doing? >> they share a horrifying twist. >> i was going to say you have to eat her brains for her to become part of you.

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when lock up visited there, we met two such inmates. they killed after their own minds turned on them and their murders took on dimensions that were not only shocking, they were unimaginable. >> i'm frank street jr. and i'm 38 years old. i have been down since 1993 for shooting my mom. >> our lock up crew met frank street housed in the residential treatment unit. at the time he was experiencing involuntary tremors due to medication. >> i started having delusions that people were out to hurt me. i had this videocassette tape and i showed people hurting me. i showed it to my parents and my mom said you guys are crazy. they were thinking they were sane. i was the crazy one. >> a short time later his delusions got the better of him.

>> i loaded up a 30-30 because i thought people were coming after me. my mom said frankie, what are you doing. she was reaching out for the gun and i shot her in the head with a 30-30. >> even more shocking and disturbing than shooting his mother in the head is what he did after he killed her. what you are about to hear is extremely graphic. >> i came delusional and they say insane. they said you have to eat her brains for her to be part of you. >> he was diagnosed as having advanced schizophrenia and at the time of our interview he was receiving medication and counseling in the residential treatment unit. >> i should have been in a mental hospital and i learned to deal with it. i feel that i have done the time. especially -- i wasn't a sane

person who did that back then. you don't eat brains for someone's body if you are sane. >> many of the murderers show little or no remorse for their crimes. street is tormented by his. >> it's horrible. i -- i have come to terms with myself that i'm sure that some day i'm going to kill myself. i decided to do that. that way i can go be with my mom. >> i'm not as bad as i used to be. i'm not acting real crazy or anything. i'm not crazy acting no more. i got new socks. that's what everybody is talking about. like that.

that's all i have to say. >> in the wake of interviewing frank street and hearing the details surrounding his mother's murder, the lock up team never imagined we would encounter another with a similar story. then we were introduced to 47-year-old joseph garner. >> i have been down 9 1/2 years and have 22 1/2 more to go. my crime is murder and i cannibalized during the process. >> garner killed his father on christmas eve, 1995. at the time he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we will warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. >> i eventually told him to sit in a chair and not to move. i started sing the battle hymn of the republic, glory glory

hallelujah and i said they were coming. i was wigged out and he must have gotten scare and tried to push me aside and he started attacking and i tackled him from mind and got around and slit his throat and i remember him saying please don't kill me. that's when i realized oh, my god, what am i doing? >> my producer described her interview as exhausting. he took the conversation on bizarre tangents. >> every nano second and whatever the latest measurement of time. he was a repressed freudian alien who was repressed through drugs and alcohol and it was witnessed by 10,000 people in detroit's plaza. >> it was another few minutes before our producer could bring us back to the crime. what he told us was shocking and disturbing. >> i pulled his brain out and took a bite out of it.

>> like frank street, garner was housed in the residential treatment unit. it was clear that not only does he struggle with what he did, he worries about what he still might do. >> it's heinous. if i -- i believe in an eye for an eye and i believe they should take my life. even though there were circumstances that were mitigating and aggravating, the judge pointed out i still think having crossed that line it would be that much easier to go back across. there is less inhibition to take another life. especially my. i threatened that several times. >> next on lock up raw. >> a swastika is a powerful symbol. i have a lot of them.

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>> of all the memorable inmates interviewed, one made such a visually shocking impression, he stands alone in the history of the series. >> when you look at curtis with the tattoos all over his face, he is really physically intimidating. >> curtis allgier. >> there is a terrifying looking guy. i was put at ease when i realized he was kind of soft spoken. >> i'm here for a burglary and

escape and 1 to 15 expiring in 2016. >> when we met curtis in the maximum security unit in utah, it didn't take long for tattoos to be the focus of the interview. >> tell me about your tattoos and what some of them mean. >> i have been getting tattoos since i was 13 years old. my whole family tattoos. i'm a tattoo artist on the streets and certain ones have meanings. my wife's name across my forehead. that's how i say that i love my lady and the other ones are my political beliefs. >> his political beliefs have to do with his lifelong affiliation with the skin heads. >> i was born and raised into it. my dad and uncles and all my family. being a skin head is a way of life that is preserving your race and being proud of who you are and wanting to better that.

a swastika is a powerful symbol. i wear it as a pride of who i am. >> he gave a more detailed account this this previously unaired footage. >> it's a toss up between the toes behind the leg and the lip. you have nerves and all your nerves. i was thinking it won't hurt that bad. don't look at me as my tattoos and say that guy is a felon or white is you premist. i'm proud of who i am and proud to have my family be who we are. i'm not a bad person because i got tattoos. being a white supremacist is not a bad thing. >> according to him, being a white supremacist doesn't mean he belongs to one of utah state's prison gangs. >> you got them and those dudes

are not white supremacists. >> curtis was -- he claims he is not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he's a white supremacist and a skin head and he felt there was a severe difference. >> i have no part of them nor will i ever be a part of them. they are weak and lame. they are not white supremacists nor will they ever be. >> at that time one of the officers leaned into my ear and said if you use that, he is going to get attacked. he is going to get stabbed. >> inmates like this are completely aware that talking about gangs can put them in peril, it is a risk they have taken time and time again when interviewed. >> we knew that might put him in danger, but we knew how

important it was to curtis that that distinction be made. that's the choice that we went be. >> finally he spoke about the wife and two children he left behind on the outside. >> if i can't look at pictures of my wife and my family and my kids, it does a lot. to look at them, if you kant got something to look at, you ain't looking at something positive, you will stay in here longer or am coming right back. i think they need me out there so i need to quit doing the style i'm doing. >> two years after the interview, curtis would make the worst decision of his life. that virtually guarantees he will die in prison. >> the suspect was able to get the guard's weapon away and at least one shot was fired. >> on june 25th, 2007, he elgaedly disarmed, shot, and killed the correctional officer escorting him.

>> curtis called me and told me that he had killed a cop. he had escaped and i asked him what happened. he told me that he was sorry, that he loved me and that is about it. he kept saying i'm sorry, i love you. >> after fleeing, he was taken back into custody at a foot of food restaurant. >> i remember thinking curtis was in for burglary, forgery, escape. he was going to do less than 15 years. curtis was going home. now he's never going home. >> it's not cool to be here. to live this life. it will screw up your life. i can't tell them don't do it because i have. this is not the way to go. you lose everything.

>> msnbc takes you behind the walls of the most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you have never seen. lock up, raw. over the years, lock up crews ventured inside america's most dangerous maximum security prisons and all encountered one absolute certainty. >> we film in extreme