recovered. the hunt for the black box flight recorders has been hampered by bad weather and rough seas. kelly has more from surabaya indonesia. >> there is now a team of experts from france on site on this wreckage site. they have specialist equipment that allows them to listen for the black box pings under water. they were not able to use it on friday because the waves were too high for them to drop these very sensitive microphones into the water. they will try again tomorrow, but the forecast is not much better. they need calm seas to use this equipment. there is other equipment being used at the same time. ships are out scanning for irregularities and metal detection technology for any sign of metal on the scene. the fuselage itself is largely

intact if not all in the same vicinity. they are looking for a large piece of wreckage and they say they are optimistic they will find it but they say they are dependent on the weather and it may take several days yet. >> thanks. turning back home to politics in 2016 off to the races in another sign he is actively exploring a run for president. jeb bush resigned all of his corporate and nonprofit board memberships including his own education foundation. he has come under scrutiny for the businesses. will quitting companies that made him millions make a difference? joining us is msnbc's casey hunt. good afternoon to you. we have about 13 months before the iowa talk us. what other moves should we watch for from jeb bush and probably other candidates? >> we are that far out, but that

doesn't mean that the primary is not already well under way behind the scenes. from jeb bush in particular you are going to see in the coming months can be a lot of work on the finance side. one of his if not his only major advantage at this point is the fact that he can raise a lot of money and draw a lot of establishment support together. we know his team is starting to go higher. people can start raising the money and i'm hearing from republican sources that they might expect his supporters to form a super pac earlier this month. >> we know that bush declined an invitation to speak at the summit later this month. what more can you tell us about this summit and why is it important on the calendar? >> this is steve king, the congressman from western iowa who is best known for the stance on immigration, particularly against comprehensive reform.

this is his first annual summit in des moines and drawing as you said a long list of banner game names. rick perry and rick santorum and all the way down to donald trump. one person who will not is jeb bush. he has not started an aggressive schedule of campaigns unlike the people he will compete against. if you think about the venue that he would want to take his first step into this i'm not sure a conference sponsored by steve king is for someone like bush who backed immigration reform in the past. >> so too does the sat ire. the piece for the new yorker captures one of the challengers for push. jeb bush resigns as george w. bush's brother. the aids saying we expect the numbers to soar on this. how much of an obstacle is bush

43? >> it's definitely an obstacle and in many ways an advantage. his name put him at the top of some of these polls early on. that said, it's going to be a difficult thing for him to work through in the coming months. you saw a preview of that and we were talking about the torture report and some of the interrogation tactics used under the first bush administration. no way he will navigate through without having to answer for a lot of what his brother did as president. if you look at the way the general election will shape up if we end up with clinton versus bush we will spend a lot of time talking about the past on both sides. one of the major voices has died. a powerful order and liberal champion the governor of new york passed away at the age of 82. a landmark moment in his political career came in 1984 at the democratic national

convention in san francisco where he delivereda i fiery key note speech aimed at president ronald reagan and his description of america as a shining city on a hill. >> there is despair, mr. president in the faces that you don't see. in the places that you don't visit in your shining city. mr. president, you ought to know that this nation is more a tale of two cities than it is just a shining city on a hill. >> joining us now is more n from harry smith. you covered mario cuomo for years and interviewed him several times. that moment that we heard in the speech, why was that such an important moment? >> amazing convention in san francisco. you have to remember that jimmy carter lost to ronald reagan. his vice president was walter mondale. his turn was 1984. but there was controversy and

buzz in the room. jesse jackson collected a lot of delegates and gary harding collected a lot. here comes mario cuomo and gives the speech and everybody in the room is saying how come he is not the guy? that's the guy. we need that guy to run against ronald reagan. that recreated the buzz. >> picking up on the point, a lot of people wanted him to run and he never ran. why did he not run when he had momentum going in his favor? >> wow. we did a documentary for the history channel called so you want to be president. asked a lot of people all those questions including mario cuomo, did you want to be president? it was impossible for him to answer. you saw this dissidence inside of him. something about the idea of the ego that was necessary to do this. the sort of idea that i'm really better than the other guy.

i'm not sure that he thought he was called to be governor of new york. i'm not sure he felt like he was call to be president of the united states and he never did it. >>. >> so many of the issues he championed resonate today 30 years after the fact. some of them on the national agenda. what was his impact on national politics and the democratic party. >> his politics come from his own personal moral core. think about where this kid grew up. think about who his parents were. immigrants who had literally little more than the shirts on their backs. he's a child of the depression. so he comes out to politics with the moral core. at the end of the day was what served him. what was so attractive to so many people about him. >> we saw his death

unfortunately came on the same day his son was sworn in for a second term. what would you say mario cuomo's family's legacy is on new york politics and what impact did he have on his son? >> his son helped him win his first election into the governor's mansion and in the first place. on the other hand, when you look back at mario cuomo and 12 years in office is during a time of terrible economic decline in the state of new york. horrible problems with crime. the crack epidemic is going on in new york city. i think in the end of the day, his morality will be the thing that people remember a lot, but on the other hand questions will remain of what might have been and what could have been. >> we heard reactions from both republicans and democrats. what does that speak to in terms of his leadership?

terms of how he rose above perhaps partisan politics? >> it's about respect. that's what it was about with him. this was a guy of enormous intellect. he was a smart guy. there were certainly sharp elbows when he needed to have sharp elbows in his political career. he was a man that was respected by people. if you can get through a in politics in new york and people say you know what more than anything else, we respect you, that's saying something. >> he overcame the odds and rose to national politics. for for the look back. >> up next as the nypd prepares to bury the second of two officers, the tension between the mayor and his police force shows no signs of abating. we will look at where all of this is heading. the reporter and a former officer in the nypd after the break. thank you very much.

preparing for the funeral of slain officer liu. the governor will be attending services. all eyes are on bill deblazio and the reaction from officers in attendance. it has been met with protests and heckling and police officers turning their backs on him since the two were killed in brooklyn. working to mend his strained relationship, deblazio organized a two-hour summit meeting earlier this week. one interesting new voice from another had in all of this, the president of the captain's

association is speaking out ahead of the uniral urging them not to turn their backs from the mayor and not to protest during the funeral. talk about the crime statistics. the lowest since 1963. despite critics of the policing methods used here these new statistics are good advertise am for the nypd no? >> for when the police department drives the numbers down and deblazio to reform for what he called and said what a candidate and his mayor and to have it both ways. the police unions have responded very aggressively to turning their back on him. they are trying to get the dnc not to be here. they are trying to hurt the

mayor. >> in your recent post you wrote that the tactics that the police have been thuggish. inept. would these new statistics go against that assessment? >> if they were more recent they would. the police took a week off from most policing and the response time shot up. they arrested many less people for significant crimes and just a break ticketing and crime went down. there was an interesting tension where the thuggish part is nice city. i would be ashamed if anything happened. it's one week. don't make too much of it. it's a sign of how far we are from 2,000 murders a year and how much less affected the arguments have become. >> let me get your input on something. just a few days ago there was serious concern on new year's eve that the nypd would not give it its all. over a million folks in times

square and no major incidents. were there examples of police laying down? >> i don't think that's the case at all. what has happened and think it's something that needs to be considered. you have to realize this 34,000 member force went through a tremendous shock. it exposed the murder of these two police officers and exposed their own vulnerability. it takes time to readjust their priorities and i think more of what's happened recently in the past couple of weeks has been really the police department the individual officers themselves really trying to readjust and examine their own mortality and vulnerabilities and still do the job. i think they have done that. >> let me ask you this. it's not just the killings that are down. overall crime has dropped compared to other cities like los angeles and chicago still seeing crime rates rising. how much is due to ray kelly and his years in office or do the

mayor and bill bratton get any credit? >> there so many different factors and different social scientists that have theories about what drives crime. early on during the course of 2014. there was a trend across the board and all the major cities themselves. those are the variables and the unknowns. the job of the police commissioner and any executive is kreal to find a way to maintain the status quo of the crime rate and push the new strategies forward. >> let's talk about commissioner bratton and his role has changed. he has become a central figure in this crisis. talk about how has role has change and what role he is playing this this tension. >> the first time he came into office with giuliani when last he was commissioner, crime rate was high and officers didn't

like their guns. they thought the uniforms were embarrassing. he had all these things to do to shift morale. this time he inherited a 20-year run and crime is very low. there is not a new revolutionary thing he can do. his rank and file are very upset and suspicious of him as he is giving the mayor cover. he is trying to work that balance out and keep the numbers down and allow space for reform. >> let me get your input on this. what do you expect to happen? do you expect the mayor to receive the same reception he got at the funeral of raphael ramos? >> i think that the summit was wise because it gave them an opportunity to start to walk back some of the more heated rhetoric. no accounting for example what could be a wild cat action by the men and women of the nypd aside from the management. they are comfortable walking

through. it was not good for them. the push back editorial columns were not positive and in their favor. given what we know now, this should be a different reaction. >> i want to get your opinion on something. the concern as the "new york daily news" was reporting that this could be a casualty. >> the unions were trying to do that for sometime. a full page in august saying the battle days are coming back and don't have it here.

>> i'm going to be following that. thank you both for joining us. just ahead as we begin a new year we look back at one of the favorite 80s movies and bold predictions about the year 2015. >> when we return, we will tell you what marty mcfly did get right about this year, 2015. when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second... boom! you've had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and... boom! you're blindsided for a second time. they won't give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don't those people know you're already shaken up? liberty mutual's new car replacement will pay for the entire value of your car plus depreciation. call and

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>> welcome back to this new year. 2015, what an important year in hollywood. you may remember it was the year in the future that marty mcfly visited. it seemed so far away. i was only 10 but my how time flies. the movie made bold predictions

about the future and lots of folks are having fun scoring what the movie got right and what it got wrong about what our world would look like today. so welcome to our back to the future edition of our daily spike. item number one, video calls. today's screens are smaller, but it looks like a lot of face time that was what we saw in the movie. that gets a thumbs up from us here. item number two, shoes that lace up by themselves? let's do it. we have seen lots of velcro but no self-tying laces? get with it. number number three, phone glasses. these look a lot like the google glasses that we are seeing around. to me at least. another for marty mcfly and his team of writers. we have yet to see the hover boards or flying cars. google does have that car that

can drive itself. the idea of jaws 19 it appeals to a lot. filmmakers missed the creation of the internet. if they only had thought to hire al gore as a script consultants. pretty good future vision from marty and the gang. just ahead a different kind of look at the future as the leadership makes a move. how will their joining the international court affect piece efforts. we will check in when we come back. stay with us. blap

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certainly you can keep an eye on that story with more updates. we want to take a look at some dramatic pictures at a house just outside of chicago. you are seeing live pictures. we are not sure and we will have updates for you in the coming hours. you are watching dramatic pictures as professionals try to get that fire in that house there. new aggressive war crimes from the palestinian war. they signed 20 agreements this week including to join the international criminal court. that pe addition delivered to the u nighted nations today. the prime minister responded quickly, calling it they will

not create a peace. other options seem to be going nowhere for the palestinians. peace talks fell apart and early this week the un council rejected to have a palestinian state. steve clemens is the editor at large of the atlantic. i want to talk about the politics in a moment. let's talk about the legal implications of what it means to be able to join the icc and israel. what is the significance of signing into that icc? >> it's very significant because what he has driven there are some of the behaviors seen during the recent gaza conflict. it's important to remember when

barack obama was elected and came into office in early 2009 it was in the midst of another massive conflict of israeli action in gaza. it is the sense that there war crimes contained this that that abbas and palestinians are saying we need higher court and greater spotlight on the issues. that opens up palestinians particularly hamas to the same sort of accusations by the israeli public suffering from them. it will require them to fes up to the terror they have been responsible for. >> why haven't the palestinians joined them until now. # >> the united states is trying for many years, decades to get both sides to realize that their long-term security interests and the interest of their people

reside on them coming to a deal with border security and dealing with both sides whether they need to think about mutual interests. that is not happening. they are saying look into the abyss and how bad things can be for both sides. the problem is that neither side senses that it has that accountability for the other. they are escalating each side incrementally and that netanyahu solely in israeli interest or abbas solely in palestinian interest, this is an escalation that increases the stakes for israel's potential misbehavior as israel increases the support frequently when the palestinians misbehave. >> we know that the u.s. constantly condemns israel's settlement activity in the occupied west bank. that has not gone -- it has not

slowed down. the palestinians continued to live under occupation. they control the gaza strip. there is no light at the end of the tunnel. in short, is the peace process dead? it hasn't produced any tangible results for nearly 20 years. >> there is a large school of thought that said we need to move to a one-state solution. i don't agree with that. when you begin to think about how bad this can be that israel is looking at a population surge that will grow the number of air palestinians far beyond israeli jews at some point within the broader territory or if you look at the issue that if they are going to continue to occupy and dominance under where they are, they will no longer be the democratic society that i think many view themselves to be. that leads you to a demarcation

at the end of the road. the thing that is missing is an institution. the united states is not playing that role or a set of countries that said you must do that that can be blamed from the israelis. they themselves don't have the political power within their societies to sell a deal. there has to be an external players and that's one of the reasons that they are acting so much more within the organizations. creating a peer pressure and external environment that can be blamed by both sides by getting to the right place. thank you very much for your insight and announcements on this. up next, the attacks continue in the coalition against isis. 12 air strikes yesterday. are u.s. troops getting ground into a ground game? we will talk about that when we come back.

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>> overnight coalition forces delivered a dozen air strikes in iraq and syria near the city of kobani along the turkish border with syria. nine of the attacks reportedly did major damage striking a large isis tactical unit and destroying four isis buildings and ten fighting positions according to joint task force officials. u.s. troops have suffered no casualties, but can this battle remain a war waged only from the air? today's "washington post" reported u.s. advisers are staying out of the combat but seeing fighting closer and closer to them. that violence underscores the risk troops on the ground are facing as this mission expands. peter newman is a professor at kings college in bond on and the collector of the international center for the study of radicalization. good afternoon to you there. i want to put up a quote from "the washington post" article and it reads this. in a sign of the risks, military

officials said american soldiers have been transported to the base under the cover the night by helicopter partly to maintain a low profile for the renewed u.s. operation in iraq. also to protect personnel amid fierce fighting west of the capital of baghdad. what are the risks on the ground for american personnel in iraq who are there in the position and rule as advisers? >> there risks the closer they are getting to the frontline. it always has been clear that there advisers who are involved in training who are involved in directly assisting the people who are fighting. the big difference to iraq in 2003 is that these military personnel are not involved in combat and not involved in occupying the country. that's the difference. >> so many retired military personnel don't see how the advisers can avoid being pulled into the ground roles that they are now taking on.

what is your take on that? >> i think the administration is conscious of this. it is a red line that it doesn't want to cross. i'm certain that special forces are already involved in a form of direct combat. that's not true necessarily for the trainers and advisers that are still the majority of american perm on the ground. they don't want to cross that line. it's only the worst circumstances. >> behind the military missions there people whose lives in the communities continue to be shattered by what is happening from the isis and the military campaign and communities struggling to survive. are partners in the hospital to learn more? take a look at this.

>> incredible reporting on the ground. i wanted to ask you how vulnerable is kobani? how much could these latest air strikes help in trying to change the humanitarian reality on the ground? >> this is absolutely shocking and terrifying but the good news is that kobani has not fallen yet. we were all convinced that he would fall to isis. this is perhaps the first strategic mistake that isis has made. 75% of kobani is back in kurdish hands. the disaster waiting to happen in kobani has not happened and they have helped in preventing

that. >> we hope it doesn't fall. thank you very much for the analysis. good to get your insight. up next how border patrol agents are working to save the lives of immigrants making the dangerous journey crossing into the u.s. traveled to the arizona-mexico border to witness the new program firsthand. that's after the break. blap

>> new data and some good news regarding the number of assaults against u.s. border patrol agents. for the 6th year in a row, they are down sharply. a 20% drop from the year before. according to customs obtained by the arizona republic. in an interview released in border patrol official talked about a push to add more women as the number of women crossing the border rose. right now only 5% are female.

a few months ago, ronan spent time with several border patrol agents in the u.s. and mexico. we bring it to you as we look back on the stories we have brought you through this year here on ronan farrow daily. >> just because a person is breaking the law by entering the united states. >> the u.s.-mexico border. hundreds of miles of searing desert heat. extreme terrain and awful lawless isolation. for hundreds every year a death sentence is exactly what that means. >> you can die out here very easily. if you run out of water and you are out here on a hot summer day, you can die within a short period of time. your body will dehydrate and your organs will shut down and you will be dead in the desert.

dehydration is one of the worst ways you can die from a physical standpoint. if you die out here in the desert, your undiscovered forever. your family may not ever know what happened to you. your friends may not ever know what happened to you. they just know that you disappeared somewhere along the way. >> reporter: too often, agents come face to face with that reality. >> everyone says that it's -- it's a life-changing experience to find someone who lost their life trying to come into the u.s. it's a very sobering fact that death is a reality here along the border. the cartels that are bringing people in are callous. they're just after the paycheck. for them a life isn't a human life. it's just a paycheck. so they don't have any qualms with leaving that person out there. >> reporter: some say it's not just smugglers taking lives. rights group document alarming cases of death from border

agents using excessive force. >> the use of force by border patrol agents is an enormous problem. there's not transparency or accountability. what happens is they're using force, often deadly force, and they're not being held accountable. >> reporter: agents here told us using force is sometimes necessary. >>. >> how often have you had to use force? >> almost every time i'm involved in an arrest. if it's a -- force is something you use, obviously, when the situation is -- if i, what we call, jump a group or make an arrest and it's 20 30 people we need to maintain control of that situation, so we're coming in hard precise and direct. >> reporter: excessive force isn't something the border patrol wanted to talk about. what about fattalalityies from use

of force. the report says 27 since 2010. >> we're out here today to talk about fobs. the use of force i can talk about generically but i won't address that on the interview today. >> reporter: but agent peter did say it's an issue the border patrol is working on. >> first off, making use of force more transparent, which cbc has moved in that direction by taking the use of force manual making it public. looking at, okay is this something we can do better? can we do better through our use of force policy? a way that's going to better protect not only the agent but also better protect the people that the agent's interacting on. >> reporter: they are doubling down on improvement including the race to safe lives. with an integrated system to help stranded migrants before it's too late. they call them rescue beacons. you said they put the beacons into effect after a particularly large number of people have died, right?

>> right. >> reporter: how can this stop that? >> what we've done with the rescue beacons we have retrofitted all of these. we have a blue light at the very top. we call it the blue light of life. it's a high intensity l.e.d. light. it can be seen for up to ten miles away at night. and it offers people that beacon of hope out here in the desert. you can see if you come up to the beacon can you actually push the button on the beacon. that will send a radio signal out to sector headquarters. >> reporter: 32 beacons carefully dispersed over more than 6,000 square miles of desert in the tucson border sector. >> we took a look at what we call the rescue map. plotted on there where the majority of our rescues were taking place and plotted out all the spots where we had found people who had passed away out here. >> reporter: one tower 14 miles off the mexican border is on a particularly deadly stretch of

road they call the deadly highway. >> on this rescue beacon we have signage in english, in spanish and in tahona. we have a pictogram at the bottom which shows what someone should do if they're not able to read these languagings or if they're i willlliterateilliterate. >> reporter: spending for these measures is controversial, in arizona and beyond. >> the president won't use now what he has to enforce the law. so we want to give him more to what? not enforce the law more? >> reporter: others say protecting migrants exacerbates the problem. >> children a thousand miles from their parents, they're vulnerable and afraid. they're drawn here by rumors like amnesty. >> reporter: agents are working to deter migrants. getting out word with psas south of the border. for border-crossers that don't heed that warning, agents say

they're still worth saving. >> from an agent perspective, when it comes to saving a life and no one wants to see anyone die out in the desert. that's the most important thing for us. >> reporter: just this fall a sign that the experiment may be paying off. the u.s. government recorded 307 deaths in the 2014 fiscal year ending in september. that's a sharp decline from last year. and the lowest number in more than a decade. for some agents, that's all that matters. >> the most important thing for us is being out there and making sure that first off, that the border is secure and, secondly that no one is losing their life just because they want to come illegally into the united states. it shouldn't be a death sentence to cross the desert. >> that was ronan farrow reporting from the u.s./mexico border. that wraps up things for this edition of "ronan farrow join inging me. now it's time for "the reid report."

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good afternoon, this is "the reid report." i'm joy reid. we start with the latest on airasia crash 8501. a total of 30 bodies have been recovered after the sixth full day of search efforts. more than triple the previous total, thanks in large part to help from the u.s. navy. while one victim has already been buried bad weather forecasts through sunday is hampering the search for the black boxes and the rest of the 162 people who were on the plane. nbc's kelly cobiella is in surabaya indonesia, tracking the multi-national search effort. >> reporter: joy, it is early in the morning here in indonesia. and ships are still out in the north java sea, looking for debris looking for signs of body, and also scanning the sea floor with sonar looking for the main body of wreckage from this

airasia flight. they didn't have much luck on that end earlier today. the sea state was just unworkable for experts who have specialists listening equipment out at sea now. 13-foot waves, violent thunderstorms passing through. they were not able to deploy these microphones, underwater microphones, which listen for the pings coming from the black boxes. they'll try that again tomorrow but the weather forecast really is no better. there was progress made in terms of recovering bodies. 21 bodies recovered from the sea today. among them according to the chief of search and rescue for indonesia were two victims who were still strapped into their seats. that has not been confirmed independently by nbc news. at least four of the victims have now been identified and returned. their bodies returned to their families. among them is a