i am not doing this. >> yes, you are. it's a part of the job. >> now, he's a good man. what do you say, grandpa, can i talk to a democrat? he says, this is boring come on. here we go. i knew this would happen. i tell you what man, i will be in the limo in two minutes.

>> thank you. oh thank you, girls. oh joanie, it's getting late man. betty, how are you? my name is joe biden, vice president. i know i just swore in your grandson. i'm going to put him on the phone him here he is. nice talking to her. i don't have time. i'm watching my grandson being sworn in right now. >> my sfafrt when the mint falls out t. mint falls out of his mouth. >> it happens. >> you say, oh my mint you see the mint falk out. >> joe biden. >> you know him, no brainer. >> i will say this he's done a lot of things wrong since the show started. >> yes you have. >> i do it every day, every day, except yesterday where i didn't show up. >> that was wrong, so you actually messed up yesterday, too. >> greatest show i ever had. >> but when we decided to have a no criticize joe zone right

here. >> that was brilliant, right here willie from that side of the desk that no you can't criticize joe. i think it was the thing to do. >> it was. >> not only the greatest vice president ever, what what what, where do you go above that? >> senator? >> who else would you want to swoor new as a senator? joe biden. >> what makes him stand apart from everybody else is he's in on the joke mg people make fun of walk. everyone talks ability everyone hates each other. nobody hates him. it's not a partisan thing. you know can you laugh at him. he's laughing first. so i think -- he's friends. >> he's a joy. >> he's friend with the other side. he can get stuff done. >> so really when i was in 5th grade, i used to hug dana westrick out on the playground. >> how did that go in. >> not good. can i go year by year and pick

the girl that i liked that never liked me 5th grade da that westrick. 6th on and on. >> wow. >> it's horrible. you know what, if you want to know what the prom pictures always look like they look kind of like this. >> oh man. >> i do love that. >> so the question is willie geist, who had the most awkward hug this week? chris christie and jimmy jones or john boehner and nancy pelosi? >> i don't know, man, that's pretty good right there. nancy pelosi wants none of that whatsoever. >> none of that. >> the oversized gavel. it's a prop gavel. >> it is he's lurching forward. don't ever do that. they either come to you or you just don't go. >> that's right. you learned that right? >> i learned that in 5th grade. they either er come or they just

deny. >> it took you until 50. >> you know we hadn't seen the frame before this maybe it was misinterpretation, maybe she moved in. and then last minute we have all been there. the person turns their head. >> she set him up. >> maybe. >> that happens. >> the hand really knocks down that theory because the hand isn't in an embrace. >> she is cleely pushing, exerting force. >> all right. i will break this up. you guys can get a diagram. >> there it is. >> oh now, come on. >> here's the thing, though she gave him a little pat afterwards, a little pat. if we have that one more time that was her being gracious. i do not want you in my space, okay. here we go. okay. he's unkovtable here. now, look a little pat. there you go. >> it's okay. now, we're done with that. >> don't do that again. >> can we do the news now?

>> just a little pat. >> by the way, joining us today, who reporters who have pieces on the front page on today's "new york times" on capitol hill jeremy peters jeremy and here in new york do we have nick. >> oh nick is here. >> there he is good to have you on board here him let's start, though with the top headline today. we begin this morning in el paso, texas, where army officials say one victim and a gunman are out opened fire on a health clinic on tuesday. it happened just after 3:00 p.m. eastern time when they received reports about an el pass zo veterans clinic a. reporter at nbc's ktsn brianna pitts. what else can you tell us at this point? >> reporter: good morning, mica, there is a lot of confusion here at the william beaumont medical center at fort bligs as we try to piece toke what happened yesterday as far as the

identities of the victim and the gunman him we know the victim was a doctor as far as the gunman, he could have been a visitor, an employee or maybe a veteran or a patient, himself. >> okay. brianna, thanks very much. we will check back in. we have lots of other news to get to. >> that is obviously still developing. my daughter actually said get the tv on the shooting and the veteran's ankle of it. house speaker john boehner cruised to a third term as house speaker, not before some members tried to embarrass him unsuccessfully, though. take a look. >> the name of the honorable ted yoho the great defender of the constitution and the great state of florida. >> i place in a nomination the name of daniel webster, a congressman from the great state of florida. >> the honorable daniel webster of the state of florida has received 12.

the honorable louis gomert of the state of texas received three. honorable ted s yoho of the state of florida has received two. >> more republicans voted against boehner. >> it's prices will, why are you shaking your head like this? >> i said before i think campaigner is a great speaker. he's in the category as biden he is in on the joakim i think these guys are jerks. i think it's important this is a factoid to put out that this is the largest majority. this is a larger herd of cats for him to wrangle. so the discenters aren't as representative as a swath of the republican party. i was glad he took action. >> these are jerks. why are they jerks? >> lissch i think this is such an opportunity for republicans to show something different than what we've shown in the recent

past and i think that to do something, he doesn't have a right to do this. they were within their right to do this. i think he's a great speaker. it was irresponsible and jerky. >> if all you got out there is willie gohmert and ted yoho you are doing okay actually. i think he did okay in sort of isolating the insane wing of the party. i really do. >> you can see it in 2010 we saw it in my day. but when you get burned you usually learn. i talk about it on a hot stove. you get burned. here you have this republican party, i don't know how john boehner is going to be as a speaker. he will not be conservative on economic issues but just going into it we ran newt beginning rip out when our majority shrunk

to four. we blamed newt for it. we ran him out of town in 1998. they go into this vote yesterday with the largest majority they had had since 1929. >> what an incredible moment. >> since before franklin delano roosevelt was sworn in the first time the republicans have the largest majority. i think you give that leadership the benefit of the doubt. that's like trying to fire like you know irvin meyers finally got ohio state going to the national championship again. it's like before the national championship the board of trustees go, you know what we can -- >> you look at the historic perspective of that moments why would you take away from it? >> i think that's the thing. there was a great quote. >> jeremy wrote about this. >> jeremy one of the members had a great quote. he said something, we're on pro bakes, guys him come on we're on probation. let's not make fools of

ourselves right now. i think yesterday was really an unnecessary distraction. >> i think a lot of it was an attempted payback for what happened at the very end of last 84 when conservatives felt correctly that john boehner rolled them on passing a budget. he completely ignored them said i will go to the democrats to get the votes i need. more importantly, what this is it's another example of the conservative tea party movement whatever you will call it the way that its energy and its ambition really outpaces the reality of what it can accomplish. here you have 25 people oppose the speaker. you know they needed about a dozen more than that to get rid of him. i'm sorry, to force it to a sec vote. even after that second vote if it were to have happen they still weren't going get rid of him. so this was really i think you heard this from some key conservatives in the house yesterday, people who actually voted for boehner saying look this was all gemmed up by radio

and we don't want any part of it. >> we went through this when i say "we," i'm speaking as a republican. my party has been through this. i was a big part of it. we tried to run him out of town non-stop. we eventually wanted him out of town. we wanted more. after a while, you physical out, there is so much that's possible. >> that washington, d.c. does not run the way i want washington, d.c. to run. i wanted to abolish four government agencies. i wanted to do a lot of things that just weren't going to get done. at what point do they figure this out and grow up? democrats i can say the same thing about some you know liberals on the left but this republican caucus i mean they got the chance to do something pretty big. they're going to have to compromise. i don't know if they've figured that out yet. >> i think the good news for republicans is john boehner doesn't gave dam about these 24 votes or whatever the number was. he knows he's got big majority. he can work with it.

he will punish these people in ways he can. he will move forward. he doesn't strike me jeremy as the kind of guy that will take this on and say oh my gosh i got to fight off the wing of the party. he knows he can push through this. >> willie that is a very smart point. because you have already seen boehner retaliate. he has stripped daniel weber is one of the leaders of this failed coup of his seat on the powerful rules committee. so he's taken care of that, then you know if you look at what a lot of conservatives are saying not just the trouble-makers the ones who voted for boehner, they want a seat at the table. they want a piece of this largest republican majority in generations. they know the the way to accomplish that is not by going out and poking the speaker in the eye on the first day of the new congress. >> yeah, i mean i think it gets depicted as the politics of the far right wing against establishment. boehner is conservative enough. it's the politics that can actually work. so i'm happy to see him sort of

smack down the politics of few estimate. this wasn't a fight between the right and the far right. this was a fight between feel are actually you know going to govern and be effective and the people that had no prospects. >> so let's move on to other news now, we got this out of virginia. former governor bob mcdonald is sentenced to two years in federal prison. his day in kour was full of surprises. first the sentence wasn't longer. the second that his wife maureen scapegoated at the trial came to the proceedings and sat in the gallery. his wife and daughters as the sentence was read. did you see this joe? >> no. >> he invoked his own fate. >> i'm a fallen human being. i made mistakes in my life. i have failed at times and some of the judgments i have made during the course of my governorship have hurt myself my family and my beloved people of virginia and for that i am deeply deeply sorry.

i have a tremendous faith and trust in the providence of the lord jesus christ in his ability to mete justice and so that is my hope for ultimate vindication. >> incredible. i love that man. i got no problem saying i. i always have. he really, really good man. and i don't know what he got caught up in. he's a good man and i am so glad that the judge did not give him ten years for doing what is legal in the state of virginia. what doesn't look good what seems unthet ethical to all of us. what was the letter of the law in the state of virginia. >> but not in the united states right, because federal charges, i mean it wasn't necessarily. >> the federal, yeah. >> it was that legal. >> that's still my rub, though.

the tech had to come in in an unprecedented way since the state did the investigation and he operated under the state law, the state ethics code and every state looks out and so they came in it was sort of like racketeering, they just sort of generally swept him up on some generalist charge and again, i don't like how any of it looked any more than anybody around here. >> so i'll just say, i watched the whoelg thing. i was transfixed by it. i found it to be incredible and so sad. he took everything. he took it. he said he was sorry. he agrees that he has had bad judgment that, he did some things wrong. he also said he's appealing and this is kind of a little bit way too early, but my instinct is that he's going to serve his time and come back mg i think he's going to come back. >> no i don't think he's going

to come back to the state of virginia. no way. >> in what form i don't know but i don't think his career is over. watch the whole thing. it's pretty amazing. >> i think the whole thing was so weird. >> it was ugly. >> it was ugly. >> it was grim. >> the blame the wife defense did not go over well in the old dominion. >> even the daughter even our own daughters were blame d.c. wife at some point. >> it's a very lively sort of and passionate debate on both sides of that actually. >> whether they concocted -- >> what the wife did, the daughters did, mcdonald did or did not do. >> i'm not saying it's ugly. i'm not sure i want to see it. i had an instinct about i. >> i'm with my ka. i think when the failing of a politician is so deeply personal, it makes me

uncomfortable reading about their marriage who is anyone to judge a failed marriage? so i think the public does a good job of sifting through political greed an corruption is there they really do. >> and where people had a personal failing or a failed marriage. i don't think the public -- i think the public forgives all the personal. >> there was a plea offer on the table which he would not have done any jail time and she would not have faced any charges. he turned it down. >> why? >> people remember that. >> you know why he turned it down? because he thought he was innocent. i will say this americans are really good at sorting through this. >> yeah. >> the political class is terrible. no, i'm just saying republicans celebrate when something bad happens to somebody like eliot spitzer or question go down the list. >> uh-huh. >> democrats online revel in

these personal failings. these are people on both sides and the hatred and the animosity and the blood sport, unfortunately. >> then what? >> the reaction to this, though at least in virginia not so much partisan, it was all over the map for doug wilder democratic former governor of virginia was a character witness for bob mcdonald who testified passionately on his behalf at the sentencing hearing. so it really i think it was a part and partisan thing. it was just uncomfortable. >> watch it alone and think. all right. so we've got another big political story to get to. you need to turn the camera this way, when have you your pack going, right, thank you? nicole if you are going to advice someone for how to speak, is eight pack or? >> what happened? what are we talking about in. >> show him, mica. >> jeb bush taking a big

concrete step for a run for the white house. the former florida governor. >> he has a really big head. >> it's called right to rise and it's the right to rise leadership and super pacs which would allow him to run for 2015. let's stop saying possible. the guy is running, in two certainly media, one in english, one in spanish, bush announced the launch. >> hey, everybody, we're setting up the right to rise a pac, it's to believe in conservative principles to allow all americans rise up. if are you interested go to right to rise pac.org. >> so watch the script and news article say possible run for president? >> politicos reporting the operation is off to a fast start raising more than $100,000 online donations in a few hours. >> for his possible run for the presidency. >> let's bring in nick. . >> nick. >> there are a lot of rich old white guys in new york city that

have been wanting to write jeb checks for a long time. now they have a chance. >> reporter: that's right. this is an effort to shorten the primaries as fast as he can. if he can set these groups up bring in a ton of money quickly, it will scare off people who could challenge him. it's a very similar strategy to the one his brother used on ten years ago or so to clear the field, extremely early in the campaign and have a smooth sailing after that. >> jeremy he's announced, right? >> i mean he's effectively sucked off, he's walked right into that volume we were we are now almost only talking about jepp e jeb bush talking about none of the other presidential contenders unless you want to talk about chris christie and what he did at a football game. i do think what's important to look at in what jepp did yesterday is layout these ideas and these are very generous sounding proposals coming from a republican who wants to remake the party's image. he talks about inclusiveness.

he talks about the income gap, you know, these are not things that one traditionally associates with republican messages. you pair that with what he said about respect for people on all sides of the same-sex marriage debate and you have a candidate who is really trying to broaden the reach of the republican party and i think that is one of the things that will help make him a unique contender. >> he also didn't say anything about president obama. i think a part of the problem we've had is the party is this sort of obsessive looking out over our shoulder looking behind. i think jeb bush has set the bar higher for the party in talking about the future. there was nothing in yesterday's announcement or the stories about any intention he has to run against president obama, who obviously is not on the ballot. >> not on the ballot. >> so does jeb completely suck up energy out of all these people rung the polls? >> you know better than me the dog year we are about to enter.

we will listing seven lives this year, seven political lives. >> don't the establishment signing of it like what happens to marco rubio? >> i think marco because of his personal relationship with jeb is probably going to sit back for at least a little while. this is a dog year we are about to start. >> several contenders. i think this is daunting. i think what jeremy described has already happened. he has sucked up all of the energy. >> who else is there? >> you can push out guys like casich and walker an those mid-western governors. he can quickly get in and scoop up people who might otherwise support a candidate like those governors. so mitt romney obviously, who was talking about the mitt romney campaign again? i mean he's out, right? it's all about jeb bush and chris christie in the conversation right now. >> that's what i was wondering. >> all right. next thank you. >> just watch the game on tv.

>> why, what's up? >> can you like not root for the giants half heartedly? >> he should not participate in group hugs. a go up huck. >> the hugging is -- in there especially when they don't. >> another reenactment we should see on "the view" with you and one of the rosies, try the hug and the pelosi kiss. that would be good. game it out. one did not want the other. one did not want the other. >> go back to fifth grade. >> dana westrec. i could go. >> oh please stop you are so full of it. >> she did not like me. >> jeb is trying i keep failing. look at me. >> thank you, reading your piece on jeb bush in the "new york times," enjoy, everybody. still ahead on "morning joe," white house press secretary josh earnest will be with us in our

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. it's time now to look at the papers indonesian officials confirm they have located the tail of flight 8501.

the head of the search and res cow say it's a critical discovery because the plane's flight and voice data recorders are said to be located in the tail. officials stay black boxes will provide key clues into the crash. the far 30 victims have been recovered. from buzz feed news report several sections of ben carson's book "america the beautiful" were plajerized. carson cites the sources in the end note but fails to note they were copied verbatim from different authors. they say they are reviewing the materials but quote have not been able to communicate with the editorial staff. the star ledger of the sayreville football team will return after being suspended for an alleged hazing incident last october. authorities charged several football players in connection

to what reportedly happened over a ten-day span inside the team's locker room. the district superintendent made the official announcement at a board of education meeting on tuesday night t. high school's athletic director also resigned at that same meeting. >> from the richmond time's dispatch, a discredited rolling stone article about a alleged gang rape at a fraternity house. on tuesday activities will resume if they agree to new rules, including having at least three members stay sober throughout the night and hiring outside security guard for large events. boston globe, massachusetts terribles have opened a 222-year-old time capsule left by some prominent names in history the conservators say the artifacts were buried in 1795 by none other than revolutionary paul revere and massachusetts

governor sam adams, inside were five newspapers, a seal of the commonwealth silver and copper coins dating back to the 17th century, a metal depicting george washington and a silver plaque inscribed by revere. it was pulled from a granite cornerstone at the massachusetts statehouse. officials say they intend to put it back possibly with some 2015 additions. >> that is so cool. >> so cool. >> from the houston chronicle, former president jochlt h.w. bush and barra celebrated their 70 anniversary, 70 years ago this very day barbara pierce of rye, new york made me the happiest and luckiest man. they are two years ahead of rosalind and jimmy carter. >> i love him. fortune, intel unrolled a host of ganl ets to encourage

more women and minorities to enter the technology industry. among the new devices, a tiny drone that is worn around the wrist and then launched into the air. the company also showed off a larger drone that is capable of independently navigating around obstacles. >> why would you have a clone? >> with us to answer that question writer for the associated press, scott -- >> why would do you that? >> he writes this morning. >> he might take off the rick goes up in the air with it. >> that wouldn't happen. it wouldn't be possible. >> boom. >> don't worry joe, that won't happen. >> all right. we got a drone revolution here. mica will read about it. >> in part you write this scott the drones are coming drones will help spray crops, inspect high-voltage power lines and hover over movie sets to provide directors with new van tage

points and also work for insurance companies, real estate agents, ski resorts and dozens of other businesses eventually the faa plans to resume guidelines over who can fly drones and the most ambitious will have to wait? >> i got these off amazon about a month ago. i was absolutely stunned how high they fly and how quickly they get out of your control. >> and how easy it is for to you take it out of the box and go ahead and start flying it. >> i think that's the faa's big concern here is that everybody seems to have got one for the holidays. they're opening them up. they're flying them around. we got airplanes in the sky. we got cars on the ground that people are hitting. we got utility poles, so millions of people want these drones including on our wrists and how do we even regulate it? >> and mica and jim. >> i got my husband one. >> isn't jim, though he's got

aviation -- this could be a danger around airports? >> yes. total danger right, scott? that's why they're looking what the guidelines will be will be very difficult for them to figure out. >> shiao yu to put them into perspective the faa is saying if five years there will be 7500 drones used for commercial oil companies, power companies, movie producers. that's not including all the hobbyists. that's a lot of drones. everyone thinks that itself a really low number. put that in perspective, there are 4800 commercial aircraft in the skies. so you are talking a lot more drones than aircraft and just in the last ten months with we had 200 year misses where pilots of commercial planes have reported that drone has come a little too close for comfort to them. so industry sees some great opportunities for these drones. i visited a number of places that are use, them, but the question is, how do you actually go about and do this in a safe manner?

>> willie, i node to get one of these. if i were still with my family living on the fos side i would go out at 6:00 in the morning on sunday and take that baby up. >> where is your drone now, joe? >> well it's atop of about a 40-foot tree connecticut. i got another one though. i will take it out of the package. >> they're not towels joe. you don't get another one. >> it is i have to say if i were a pilot to be concerned, i was stunned how quickly. scott, you know we took it around and i said let's see how high we can take it up. >> that thing, oh my god, it had to go a thousand feet in like five seconds. i was like oh my god, i can't control this. i mean the wind took it. it was like going in there. it is really serious stuff. >> and that's one of the issues here, yeah i was out in southern california in the middle of the desert with the utility company and you know

this really big high voltage tension wires that they have going across the drone went from the ground to the top of this thing this under a second. >> yeah. >> it was circling around. this was a trained navy helicopter pilot who was controlling it and she was doing a great job. that's one of the questions that the industry has you know this utility company is do iing to use it because it would save them from helicopters, which is about $1,200 an hour to use. >> yeah. >> but nay need a licensed pilot to do it. someone whose had the experience. and that becomes very costly. and that becomes is issue. you know if amazon wants to deliver pack onlys on homes with drones, they can't have licensed pilots sitting there bringing you a new box of soup or diapers. >> right. oh my gosh fascinating story. scott, thank you so much. we will be lookings at your vis have a online. today's must read opinion pages are next on "morning joe."

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. >> we are covering must reads in just a sec. we can choose one here. we got breaking news over the wires. the ap is reporting right now very limited information, but

that 11 people are dead ten wounded, five of them seriously in a shooting in eastern paris. there are very few details but we're going to bring you more as we get them. there are some other aspects of this which are potentially really disturbing about where this may be coming from. obviously, a horrible story out of eastern paris. 11 dead ten wounded in a shooting unfolding there right now. we will be gathering our resources together and getting more access to this story. we will bring it to you as soon as possible. joining us now for the must read opinion pages, former chairman of the national democratic committee howard dean good to have you. >> that is a tough intro. howard, let me read you, this is g, let's go to g, it's politico. the overcriminalization of america by charles coke and mark holden. charles coke obviously, making a lot of headlines over the past week. he and also some progressives have sort of joined forces

against over-criminalization of america. they write as americans we like to believe our rule of law and our country is respected and fairly applied and that only those who commit crimes of fraud or violence are punished and imprisoned. but the reality is often different. we have paid a heavy price for mass incarceration and could benefit by reversing this trend to bring about transformation we must set aside partisan politics, and solutions, that's why we've partnered with national criminal defense lawyers for more than ten years to bring about positive changes in our justice system. they talk about reform especially for the disadvantaged. this is something you have not only charles coke talking act but on the other side you have again a lot of wlib rallieders out there thinking that. >> right. >> we have to have bipartisan reform. >> it is interesting, i turned

the corner when i listened to michelle alexander's speech who wrote "the new crow." it's an extraordinary book. i have never been for legalizing pot, because i am a fix him i changed my mind because of the justice implications on working class kids of color who end up disproportionately in jail and never able to work in the economy their entire lives for stupid. >> felony. >> or misdemeanor convictions. if you had a kid who was poor, a member of a minority group, lousy education and a misdemeanor, they don't get hired. so it's awful the drug laws are awful. they have to change. >> do you think some in the debate are having about police is sort of missing this bigger picture about the criminal justice system? >> yeah the police today in new york is different. i think the police -- >> it's a national dewitt. it's really this is a national problem, right, a debate about one thing when the picture is a pretty big one. >> it is bigger except the way

see it, the drug is a means to a end. they will be doing community policing, any means helps the coming down on young people. >> a lot are doing exactly as you described. i think this gets to joe, you talk about this all the time that it's not just we for the last nine months had a narrow debate about police when the more systemic problems are this. >> right. >> all right. i want to bring you an update on this shoot income paris. french president francois hollande is headed to the scene, a weekly newspaper that's drawing repeated threats of late for its caricatures of the prophet mohammed 11 people are dead him ten wounded so far, five critically. and what the bb -- this is all we're getting from the apb. >> read the bbc reports. >> is reporting that it is

carnage inside the building and that witnesses spoke of sustained gunfire, the weekly reported news an current affairs, its latest tweet a cartoon of the islamic state leader abow backer al bagdadi. this is all unfolding right now the president on the way to the scene the french president and it's not looking good this again at the scene of a satire cal newspaper. >> 11 people shot and killed and, of course we've had, willie over the past decade massive protests a brutal brutal killing in the netherlands of an muslim radicals

militants. this looks in the early stages based on this bbc report like this may be a continuation to a much higher level. >> we don't have the full story. so we don't want to leap to any conclusion but this was a newspaper according to all the reports that did receive threats so it wouldn't come as a great surprise. this is, in fact what it ended up being, which is people who were upset about the depiction of the prophet mohammed in some of tear cartoons and apparently today took horrifying action in response again, 11 people dead at least ten injured and five more seriously. >> looking among the dead too. >> howard. >> you know this is a chronic problem. i stopped calling these people muslim terrorists. they're about as muslim as i a. they have no respect for whatever anybody else europe has an enormous radical problem. i think isis is a cult. not an islamist cult.

i think you got to deal with these people. the interesting thing here we talked about guns the last time regarding the united states regarding how guns get in the hands of the kind of people that kill the two police officers here two weeks ago, france has tremendous gun control laws yet, these people are able to get blich 93 get ballitznekovs. whatever they are claiming motivation clearly is a cultage line. >> we will be following this breaking news once again, eastern paris at the headquarters based, satire cal knew there are 11 dead and ten wounded, five seriously, after a shooting there that the french president is headed to the scene. we will bring you more details as they become available. howard dean, thank you very much. we'll be right back. you give... and you give...

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with us newly minted senator langford from oklahoma. >> glad to be with you. >> we have breaking news out of eastern paris. it appears that islamic extremists may have gone in and killed 11 people. >> it's ten now initially dead. >> ten, 11 injured. >> ten more wounded. >> yeah. because of satire cal cartoons they made about isis. what do we do in this country to the protect against such random acts of extremism? is this our future? in your home state, there was a woman beheaded at the end of work on a work day as her husband was outside. >> someone said they were

fulfilling what they said was their calling on the prophet mohammed. it has become a big issue. we don't know the thing in paris. if you are attacking a satirical newspaper, that's an attack on free speech. that's an attack world wide. whether it's a religious issue, pro-life why whatever it seems to be it seems we can't talk about things and have a difference of opinion without someone threatening you and saying it limits speech it makes it harder. >> we are getting different angles from the ap the bbc and reuters which says the anti-terrorism alert in paris has been raised to its highest level in light of what has happened. we put the pieces together. >> so let's talk about what can be done as we move forward? obviously, things keep changing dramatically as far as national security goes. we used to have to worry about the soviet union and then after

1991, that was supposed to be the end of history, things get more complex. you had to worry about state terrorists and now it's been broken up even more. how do we stand in our battle against isis? how are we doing? what do we need to do moving forward in. >> this is a generational war. in many ways in the early 2000s, problem, others both sides of the aisle came out and said this is a war unlike america has ever not. this isn't a nation state. this is a philosophy. >> that philosophy world side with it's a battle on communism, it's a communism centered around nation states this philosophy itself permeates borders. it is within borders. so it's not a matter of an attack on a napgs. it's how do you deal with a philosophy that human life is not valuable and i'm going to silence you based on threats of terrorism. it's basically a world wide group of thugs that says i will make everyone think like me act like me talk like me.

i can't have a difference of opinion. that's not acceptable in a 43 society in the united states nor in a responsible society world wide some this is a long generational war. i wish there would be a quick solution to it. there is not so we will have to be diligent as americans and a cultured society world wide. >> senator, this is gone robinson this philosophy you talk about. i think you put your finger on it takes the name of islam, in fact it's a scene of distortion of the islamic according to every islamic authority. but how do you combat something like that? we have seen even in countries where, for example, there are tough gun control laws you can have something leak apparently what's happened today in france let alone here in the united states where you don't have such gun control laws how do we combat the philosophy over time in. >> right. one of the things that you mentioned on there, gene is

that islamic leaders all done agree with this and push this aside. that's actually not true there are some world wide that do agree with this do teach it. we do see it in the united states and other part of the world. it's not the majority. i would agree with you, for those that do are inciting this sense of this strict reading of the koran. we will not limit their speech because they are trying to limit ours. there is speech and action they can speak and incite violence and push the violence. the issue as americans we want to allow free speech. we want to allow someone even if we don't agree with their teaching to be able to teach that. you can't cross the border. >> that means our intelligence community is extremely important how we track threats world wide. that has been a rarnlg scale conversation. there has been a lack of trust in the intelligence community. but the intelligence community have worked day and night to be attendive to what's happening.

so we have to protect our free speech and stay atentive. >> senator james langford thank you very much. david cameron issued this statement, we stan with the french people and the feet against terror and defending the freedom of the press and the telegraph samuels is reporting the attackers reportedly escaped in a black car, eluding the police knocking over and wounding several pedestrians and they moved towards central paris before leaving. . >> and the french president hollande i was watching the french tv over your shoulder he said, quote, no doubt, there is a terrorist attack. >> we are talking at this point officially 11 dead and ten wounded, five seriously at this satirical newspaper in eastern paris. the terror threat in par rigs has been raised to its highest level in light of what the

french president has said and one witness saying at the scene there is carnage, absolute carnage. we will be following that and all the other aspects pertaining to this story, especially given there is a little history with this newspaper, some of it's depictions in cartoons and also it's been the target of a fire bombing. >> a satirical magazine. isn't ut unbelievable? >> it's the nature of the enemy we face. >> who armed men. >> blurb bliznecovs. >> we may not see another airplane flown into a building that takes out 3,000 people on one morning. we may see more and more incidents leak this. where because they're radical and they are radical islamic extremists. there is a place to say you don't paint the entire face on this, the reason there is a coalition flying over iraq and syria, they understand it is a

problem for their country, a threat to their country. >> self radicalization, too, which may have no connection with any sort of organized group in iraq or syria. >> that makes it accessible to anybody with a wifi connection. >> we are following this news out of eastern paris, witnesses say there was sustained gunfire inside this satirical newspaper, two men walked in open hoods and opened rifles before escaping. if this last bbc report is correct, they are on the run. >> we are seeing new video coming out of paris, obviously, outside the offices. gene, the has been an ongoing debate if france for some time speaking of muslims and muslim immigration. >> yeah. >> there has been unrest in the suburb french city paris, especially, different from the

united states which it seemed the middle class and puper class moved out to the suburbs. that was not the case other european cities the disaffected muslims moved out to the suburbs. this has been an ongoing battle. >> on the periphery of paris. they're, these munts have have become some of them largely muslim france is an interesting case study the philosophy is once you are bren french you are nothing else basically. so they don't take into account race religion whatever you are -- you know it's french identity that counts the total asim london attacks they assume yet has obviously not taken

place. >> and there have been gene in the past smaller attacks, smaller bombings pushback against the french law that women, muslim women were not to wear head scarfs and because, again, but there it's been. this has been -- >> to willie's point. it appears they are at large. >> according to the reports from

the bbc and the wires, let's go to richard haase is with us right now. richard is the president on council foreign reeces. we have him by phone. we are coming in at the top of the hour 7:00 on the east coast, mica quickly if you will get everybody up to date. >> we are talking about breaking news in paris at the office building of a french satirical newspaper, apparently two gunmen carrying blurbiznecovs. ten wounded, five wounded. we are getting fresh video of victims coming out. they are trying to cope them alive, meanwhile, the anti-christ level president hollande on the scene.

this is the work of terrorists. >> he said we will find the people that did this which lends credence to your reports. they don't have the shooters. you see, this is outside the newspaper. these are police cars riddled with bullets. so clearly, there was president hollande said he was aware of 11 death, four people critically wound. so that number the death toll could go up. richard haase, walk us through a little of the politics of this what's happening in france right now. what may be at play here? >> the immediate dynamic is the publishing of these cartoons that were essentially lam pooning the head of this group. in the past this magazine has done things more controversial because of the cartoons about the prophet mohammed. what i think that it also says is not simply the immediate question but france has had real

issues with integrating its muslim population despite the ethos of french society the reality is muslims throughout france, nearly if europe have not been integrated as the muslim populations in the united states they're much more isolated their traditions are much more intense. so this is what comes of that in some ways i thought it was an extraordinary juxtaposition. at the same the talks about the islamic world, it's killing and destruction for the rest of the world and he goes on to say, we are antagonizing the entire

world. at one point 1.6 billion muslims would not want to kill the rest of the world. it's fascinating you have this clash with civilization this struggle for muslim identity and this manifesting itself in paris paris. >> supposedly it was a controversial cartoon. it's a crude little pick. >> yeah. >> i don't understand the faith. i see cartoons and jesus all the time. it doesn't shake my faith. but this is this is isolated and two or three crazys in a faith? it's not. look at the cartoon of the

prophet mohammed in the netherlands the thousands and thousands and thousands of people, wouldn't it be better to pray for the soles if you think it's blasphemy your prophet? going out and shooting them? there is such a disconnect and there is such a problem that i think for some reason the problem grows to what it is and for some reason muslims that i speak to are able to confront muslim extremism and will call it what it is and i'm thought sure why we as a country are not defining it as it is.

>> how are we not defining it like it is? >> you and howard dean and everybody else comes on and says this is not a problem with the faith. yes, it is this is a problem with the faith, with the religion, with a strain of it that requires the entire -- >> you said it's a problem with the strain of it. >> it does. >> you did the same qualification that i do that howard dean does that everybody else does because, in fact it is not 1.6 billion muslims. howard dean who are all killing people. it is this strain of islam. >> there is a debate of whether to call it radical extremism or do we dare call it radical islamic extremism. that debate hatches, i'm sure in corridors of the washington post. i think on this show the you noticed arab emirates came here and announced when they were joining coalition that president obama assembled to fly missions to help combat isis. that's a big deal.

there is a coalition out where muslims are flying missions to help defeat isis. this is a threat. they kill more muslims than they kill anybody else. >> i don't know. i just don't hear this burning dewitt over whether or not to use the word "islamic. kwits it's appropriate if you use -- >> i take your word that's the truth and that's comforting. i think maybe it's just in our city, in manhattan, there is a politically correct debate whether we call it islamic extremism or that's dangerous. i think it's the president of france calming what it is. >> the question is, what do what new challenges does that bring the united states what new challenges does it bring to our law enforcement to protect against these types of attacks here in the future. >> you put your finger on one of the most difficult parts of this. already limits to what law enforcement can do you are

saying the community has to in some way police itself. parents have to speak out when they notice that one of their children is getting radicalized and moms who are preaching certain types of violence have to legitimize and it's very hard for non-members of the community with to do. that i think for an open society like the united states is the added problem of how do you police it against it at the same way, the same type to protect civil liberties. it's a dilemma the word "dilemma" is overused. this is not an overuse of the word. how sit we protect individual lives and protect the reality. we have a significant problem here. how is it you go about it in a way that doesn't make the problem worse, that's consistent with the american legal norms with american principles, so i think it's a law enforcement problem. it's really a domestic political problem. above all, i think it's also a

community problem. until you have leaders of the communities of the faith, doing what is on a large scale. then getting into the loop looking at the nature of religious education. looking at what's going on. because you can't ignore this. this is not an exception what happened in the last few minutes. we have to face up to it. >> it is not an exception. it is a growing problem. the question i'd like to put on the they believe that you've raidsed is what are the responsibilities for internet carriers? what's the responsibility for google, for twitter, facebook for all of to say, hey, it's free speech within they are encouraging the spread of islamic radicalism that at times is pulling, you know even young girls out of their homes to syria are encouraging this type of behavior. at some point, when does that

stop being free speech and when does it start being the promotion of hate speech? >> it's a very good question. it's a very legitimate question. and, you know it's to me it's impossible to answer bus if you are going to say, for example, that certain kind of that this speech is hate speech which i would say it is right. then does goggle have to respond when a substantial number of muslims, this was offensive. this cartoon was offensive. you shouldn't have that on google. because -- >> but the problem is. >> they consider that to be -- does goggle have to entertain that notion as well as perhaps our notion that there are certain kind of hate speech it's very difficult. >> if you call for a hate speech, it calls for the promotion of violent acts across

the globe and i think that would -- >> i think it's ra real dilemma. the internet is this new frontier for lies and hatred to be spread and tv state lives. it's okay, it's gock him. it's not the walk post that has certain responsibilities and parameters in which they disseminate information. it's just goggle. so just throw it out there. even if it destroys a life even if it kills someone, throw it out there. >> here's what i don't understand, why is goggle why are these people held to different standards than the washington post or the "new york times" or the "wall street journal." it's garbage. if they publish, if they publish. >> it's not. >> trash, if they pub lirk hate speech that i should be held no no they are publishing it. by ranking things the way they rank things they are the business of publishing. they are in the business of publishing. >> they orange news the

information, therefore, you could say they publish it. >> and they promote it. so i want to know where the washington post is held to a higher standard. >> it's the washington post. >> organizations are allowed to spew hatred and republish hatred and spew it across the globe and encourage. >> events like the one we are watching unfold in paris, which just for the late 689stlatest we have 11 dead, ten wounded at a shoot income eastern paris in the office of a satirical newspaper. can you see with the video coming in that the two armed men were wearing black hoods carrying kalivhnekovs, shot out cars, anything in their way they are on the loose the terror alert in paris has been raised to its highest level. >> thatry drooi trying to find the gunmen. they are fairly clear that this is the act of terrorists.

let's go now to paris we have chris conicky there. what can you tell us? >> reporter:. >> i think france has been worried, very worried about a terrorist attack in a long time it has been involved in operations against al qaeda and islamic states in different countries. as a result, it sees itself as a target. whether this is directly related or not, we don't know. the satirical magazine has been on the firing line for radical islamists for a long time and more moderate islamists because of the danish cartoons of mohammed years ago and its republication about them. it was fire bombed a few years ago. this is way beyond anything we have seen for a very long time in france. it was carried out in a manner

that was so easy to do relatively speaking drug gangs do have all weapons in this country. terrorists can get them. they seem to have used them. the spect cam of two men walking into unprotected offices and mowing down 11 people and wounding many more. that has this country on edge. i this i we will see a lot of alerts and a lot of problems and also an exs aer bapgs of what is already pretty intense islamaphobia and mistrust of communities here. >> gone robinson here we understand the gunmen believe are at large. what sort of security precautions are being taken, what sorts of institutions around paris and france? >> well, you know when they

raise already the level of alert what they call pcp hot in a high degree in this country. now it's at the maximum degree you will see more than usual. because there are often soldiers in the streets around likely targets for terrorist activities. you will see those even more omni present. there will be a lot more plain clothes police and intelligence officials out on the ground out operating. one of the things that's very disturbing for the french they felt they couldn't be completely confident, they felt they had pretty much penetrated most of the organized potential terrorist groups in this country. well, this clearly was an organized hit. this was not one lone lunatic taking pot shots. this was two people in black with masks, with automatic weapons shooting up an office of unarmed people and that is really the kind of thing that i think not only france but europe and probably united states should be afraid of in the near

future. >> chris, it's willie geist. you touched on this a few minutes ago. i wonder if you could expand on the lead-up to this. some of the prelude, i guess it was november of 2011 the officers of charlie hebdo were fire bombed after they put an image on the cover of the magazine. i remember last 84 not too long ago, a car ramming the crowd in the city of dijan, i think 13 or so people were injured there. this is something that french authorities have been keeping a close eye on. >> reporter: late last year we had random atacts in a few days. one were lunatics that decided to emulate it. in at least two cases, there were sort of islamic overtones him remember the policy of the so-called islamic state, al qaeda has been to say go do what

you can to quill westerners, to kill the people attacking us. some people take that to heart. they get the message on the internet and they use whatever weapons they have at hand even if it's just a car with which they run over people this seems to be a little more sophisticated than that. it's interesting else going on here, too, which is interesting. today is a publication date of an extremely controversial novel by probably if most controversial author in france michelle wellback it's called "submission." it's about islam essentially taking over france seven years from now. of course that raises all kind of emotions. one thing that's interesting is carley hebdo was going to well b.c. on its cover today. so all of that is in the mix that's incredible context. andrea mitchell your take as we

follow this news a it happens. >> this will have huge implications for french ruliness to continue to be a part of the coalition, it's great to inspire more native sentiment and anti-muslim sentiment in france. there are elections coming up. hollande is famously unpopular right now. this is going to have a lot of implications throughout europe between all of the countries who have been willing to participate in this coalition and support the u.s. against isis and in attacks against al qaeda. >> you know andrea there has been an ongoing debate in europe over the past decade even longer than that about immigration and the changing nature of every country. there is sweden right now has been going through a tumultuous time over immigration issues where voters have actually voted

to curb immigration and they have been ignored by elected leaders that came together in a coalition to say they weren't going to listen to the voters. the battle is continued in france for some time. it's hard to see any outcome than severe limits on immigration going forward. >> we have not seen real terrorist actions inside france and here in the heart of paris. the brits are used to it. obviously, america isulesed to it. we seen what happened in australia. this is going to get to the french consciousness you will see the security in france that they have not had to experience that we, of course are used to post-9/11. this is really life changing psychological impact. that's what terrorism is. andrea, to your points.

they have stepped up security all over paris an france stores, media offices, transportation, everything is changing right now. right now in paris given what's happened there. >> the question for the white house this morning. i was with president bush and the white house is meeting down trying to decide if there is anything that we need to look at? you know the french intelligence agency has respected the world over. france is flying reconnaissance missions over iraq. they are a partner in the global fight against trim with the united states of america and the coalition. >> we are supposed to have josh earnest on at this hour. is that happening? as of now, that interview still stands. >> we have been watching television for the past several minutes. we have our audio. we can hear gunfire from the moments this took place.

let's listen. >> we are also getting the first pictures on twitter of the attackers. i don't know if we can get that here. if you want to take a look. >> we want to make sure that's them before we show it. >> this is tweeted out by a hollande correspondent. >> is that right? >> there was apparently a confrontation between police and the attackers at one point. >> it certainly looks like it when you see those riddled with bullets. >> there is a few looking down the street where you see the attacker's course and police cars at some distant. it's unclear what happened after that. >> they're on the run, inherently at least two attackers we are hearing of right now. are you looking at video of some

of the surviveing victims being brought out. five only them seriously wounded. but 11 dead. two men carrying kalasrnikovs walked into the satirical newspaper of charlie hebdo. it was fire bombed in the past after firing cartoons lampooning muslim leaders and as christopher dickey was reporting, there were some plans here to publish some things cited, some similar actions and also a cartoon in the past week or so that joe, you were looking at kind of a rough sketch of a muslim leader and now this attack 11 dead ten wounded, and paris really on high alert, the highest terrorism alert possible and everything changing in the moments we watch unfold under our eyes. >> christopher dickey reported to us not three years ago this same officer was fire bombed and

gutted. they had to move out of these offices by people who didn't like the prophet mohammed being on the cover of their magazine. >> joining us from par res, we have cnbc reporter stepan petrov. what are you hearing so far? >> based on the information from the prosecutor. the two gunmen that opened fire this morning in the newsroom of the satirical magazine automatic weapons, 12 people are now reportedly been killed including three people are still in critical condition. it's too early, obviously to draw some conclusion of who or what organization it could be behind this attack. but it's not the first time that this magazine charlie hebdo has been attacked. back in 2011 the head quarter was fire bombed after publishing some cartoons joking about muslim leaders, charlie hebdo is a satirical newspaper. it's not a main stream magazine. potentially, it has a lot of

enemies, a lot from the magazine this morning was a cartoon of the islamic state militant group leader abu bakr al-baghdadi. they will hold a news conference, about 40s minutes ahead of this meeting the president francois hollande called a quick speech in a tweet he says that france is a united country which will know how to react to this attack t. national security alert system has been raised to the highest level for the paris region because at the time i am talking to you him one man is still on search by police in the french capital. >> so the other is in custody farce you know or has been killed or do we know? >> the only information we have right now is -- the only information we have is that the police are actively looking for a man. we don't have all the information from the prosecutor's office.

the last word we have is another victim, which brings to 12 the number of people killed in this dramatic effect this morning at the head quarter of this magazine. >> all right. thank you very much for that. we still have richard haase. >> richard, looking at reports right now coming in that the suspects have managed to escape to the scene in a hijacked vehicle and are being pursued in paris suburbs be you also the president of france has said several attacks in recent weeks and france was a target because we are a country committed to liberty and this bit of information coming in concerning that one of the gunmen actually was going to the office asking for specific names. so this richard, again, seems to be what not deranged men running in wildly shooting obviously, a planned attack. >> apparently it was. we'll know soon enough. what i think it also shows is

the fundamental vulnerability of democratic societies which by definition are open to this kind of retail violence of terrorism. >> that there is no way you can provide the defense and protection for every building and shopping mall. we saw it with the boston marathon or other things. this is the frightening part of the future. even if you are overwhelmingly successful in discourage attacks or integrating populations or finding things out before they happen, even a small, a teeny number of attacks can really begin to change the complexion and the functioning of the democratic society. that's what's so frightening about what we are seeing in france today. >> every day life in paris and across france is changing today as a result of that. andrea mitchell. >> i was wondering if chris dickey can give us more background on identification of whether, what branch of terrorists this is whether it's

al qaeda, whether it's isis. whether there has been any threats from this particular group in recent days. >> no, i think we have to keep reminding ourselves, there is a lot we don't know about this case. there are terrorist incidents. this clearly was one. there are terrorist incidents not even related to isis or al qaeda there was recently a bombing in istanbul it turned out to be a leftist group. this is a very scary sichlgs even if it's not an islamist group. it will inspire radicals to take this kind of action. you have no idea despite this increased security how vulnerable this city is. it's one thing to keep in mind. today is the beginning of the big january sales, all the department stores are absolutely full of people you can imagine

what you could do if you were a terrorist going into those. >> yesterday, only yesterday, we were talking about the economic crisis in europe and how it was already in trouble baring any unforeseen action. terrorism is exactly the kind of unforeseen action which cripples economies. we saw what happened after 9/11 how america had to fight back. this is so unexpected and so unusual for paris, mica the heart of paris, we don't know what the ripple effects are going to be. >> we are following breaking news out of eastern paris, france, two gunmen wearing black hoods stormed the officers of a satirical newspaper and killed the latest numbers showed 12 people including two police victims, lives have been taken as well. these two people stormed the building apparently asking for

specific names but opened fire there are shattered windows across cars and throughout the building. one of them from last report tag we've heard is still on the loose and they are brought to the highest terrorist level in par ritz. richard engel joins us from istanbul for your thoughts and contacts on this. richard. >> reporter: well, as chris dickey was saying you have to be cautious when you don't have all the details, but it certainly does appear to be an isis-related kind of attack or an islamist attack when you consider the target how they were operating the two gunmen dressed in black burst into this newspaper, looking for specific names began to open fire when you consider that this satirical newspaper had been targeted in

november, 2011 more publishing satirical cartoons of the muslim mohammed when it put out a tweet lampooning the isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi, there is reason to suspect it could have been related. then the french president calling it a terrorist attack. he showed how vulnerable soft targets are, soft targets in city center. it was just a few months ago isis-inspired gunman took over a coffee shop in australia. this is much more organized, a much more lethal attack. but it shows the logic of militants who over several years have been leaving from the united states to go fight in iraq and syria and the militants saying don't come here stay at home and carry out attacks in your own homeland.

you will be more effective that way. >> thank you. france's cia is the head of afghanistan is obviously extremely knowledgeable about these threats and as richard was saying i think the intelligence committee the world over keeps him up at night is this threat against soft targets, which are virtually unprotectable. so i think this is in very many tragic way, people paid with their lives today. we talk about these records and the surprise by all of our countries, coalition soldiers but these journalists in many instances are on the front lines in the battle of ideas, if you need to show a difference, we champion our ideas with words with satire. they go in there with guns and kim innocent people. >> it does raise the question, what do you consider a target? and what do you consider in need of permanent security these

days? and, you know obviously, in retrospect, you think charlie hebdo with its past may be who knows, maybe they had boefd up security and two guys with kalashnikovs prepared to die. it's difficult. >> what do you do when everything is a target? andrea, what do you suspect is being done here at home in the united states? i'm sure a lot of people are thinking it can happen there, it can happen here. what do you suspect over the last hour or so has happened at the highest levels of government? >> at the counterterrorism center, they will be working with french intelligence and other european intelligence actions to go back over data to see what the nsa may have scooped up. this is when they would look back and see if there were any threats, any communications and trying to twork to see if they are helpful. obviously, now, this is a manhunt.

american intelligence would be very much involved. the director of national intelligence was to be in new york giving a speech at 9:00 a.m. on cyber security here, a few blocks from here. we are told he was likely going to mention the sony attack not deal with the perpetrators, because that's an fib february issue, but talk about how america should be defending itself better against cyber wars cyber attacks, domestically and around the world. so that was with general clapper. it's unusual. he doesn't give many speeches. we were all focused. cnbc and other business networks were obviously business report is very interested in what he was going to report about how american industry can better protect against cyber attacks. the rest of the intelligence community at the white house the counterterrorism adviser to brophy the president as soon as possible about what this is for american policy and there will

be diplomatic implications. it will be harder and more challenging to keep the coalition together. europe has always been a key partner. >> well, things have certainly taken a dramatic change. at this time yesterday we were talking about the hop geopolitical spots of the world. it was europe's financial situation and the dynamics between different countries within europe and now, it's ground zero paris, france. >> gene you had shown a picture from hollande the two terrorists. i am looking at extraordinarily disturbing video. it is the same. it is video of the same images in this case there is a police officer wounded on the sidewalk and this video is accurate shoot him in the head go back to the car casually and drive

off. >> wow. >> there are remarkable video. >> it will spread terror which is exactly. we have him now? >> josh earnest, obviously, this is not a shock to paris and french people also in a civilized world, what is the president's reaction to the events unfolding this morning in paris? >> good morning, joe, mica let me tell you, this is a terrible act of violence and one we condemn in the harshest terms. everybody here at the white house are with the families of those who were killed or injured in this attack our thoughts are we are still obviously in the very early stages trying to

figure out what exactly happened, who is responsible and what the motivation was. what i can tell you is the french have been stalwart allies. we have french pilots flying alongside american pilots. we are working closely with them on this effort. that also includes the effort to combat foreign fighters. you recall with the president at the general assembly meeting earlier this fall. a care at the united security council meeting. they talk about coordinating internationally to confront and combat foreign fighters. our allies in france have been very cooperative in that effort supportive of that effort. we will work closely with them on it. one last thing i will tell you is throughout this campaign the french people have shown a tremendous bravery and courage as we as the world international community is confront of theed the threat from isil. we know they are not going to be cowed by this terrible act of violence. >> we are about to show some

tape that appears to show the get away which again it doesn't actually give us a determination whether there is one or two suspects at large, which we're getting some conflicts on. so we'd like to go back to the big picture with you, josh in just a moment. do we have the tape now, dan? all right. let's take a look. >> hey. >> this is notice this is released it actually before that based on video that web seeing online here from other news agency after they shot basically executed and injured a

law enforcement on the sidewalk they casually shot him and got back in their car and drove off. >> josh there has got to be at this point you know what is the white house and security officials looking at in terms of what we should be doing in our own either whether we are traveling to france or even potential threats that you all are investigating in the united states. >> mica, we are in the early stages of that. senior officials at the white house have been in close touch with their counterparts in france this morning. i know that's true of other national security actions as well t. united states stand ready to work closely with the french we have in a variety of areas to help them conduct this investigation and if the perpetrators are still at large, we will track them down. >> the shooting took place not far from the u.s. embassy in paris. are there any plans to have the embassy evacuated?

>> not that i'm aware of at this point. obviously, state department officials in france and foggy bottom d.c. will be responsible for making sure our diplomats are safe in france and around the world him i'm confident that is something they are evaluating now. >> this is willie. it's been a fear of security people here in the united states attacks on a soft target. we skau an attack on a coffee shop and now a satirical magazine in paris. how concerned are the government about the attacks on soft targets inside the united states in. >> willie this violent excreamism is something that the world has been dealing with for more than a decade now. we obviously are treeing to monitor what we consider to be you know a really important threat which is this threat of foreign fighters. so you know it is clear that isil does harbor the ambition to try to radicalize people all icross

the globe. one core of our strategy is to mobilize the forces and the leaders in the muslim community. particularly the muslim leaders to talk about what the values of islam are. it's terrible we are seeing radical extremists attempt to use some of the values intent on that religion and engs tort them greatly and inspire people to commit terrible acts of violence. i don't want to get ahead of this information. it's still under investigation. we don't know what happened yet. it is not clear who is responsible and what their motivations were. we are cognizant of this threat. it's posed by isil's attempts to use social media in a rather sophisticated way to try to inspire people around the globe to commit other acts of violence. it's something we work with with our allies on a daily basis to combat. >> it's gone robinson the source of the funding for some of

behind this obscene philosophy those source versus come from countries that frankly, are u.s. allies, saudi arabia, qatar, portion around the persian gulf have the united states made progress of shutting off this flow of money from our allied countries that go to advance and support this sort of murderous philosophy? >> reporter: well, genes, you asked an important question it is a core component of our strategy. it doesn't get attention as our couragies men and women in uniform are doing over there. the fact is shutting off the funding for isil has been a core component of our strategy. we have received great cooperation from nations all around the world, including nations in the region in trying to shut down the efforts for isil to raise funds, whether by taking hostages and extort ran systems or elicitly sell oil on the black market.

we have made progress, we have a sanctions regime trying to target some of those individuals that facilitate the transfer of funds. so we have made a lot of important progress there. this is a core spent so of our strategy it requires the careful cooperation of countries in the region and around the globe. we have received that cooperation. that is going to continue to be a core component of our strategy. >> andrea mitchell has a correction for you, josh. >> josh good morning to you. on december 21st friday night before christmas, the state department issues a travel warning to all americans and warns that it is the result of the australia attack that americans traveling abroad and american facilities embassy, military facility itself needed to be on alert for the time the holiday period and going forward. will this travel alert now be upgraded in anyway facilities? they asked about paris. what about around the world around american travel around american arab security and tsa

and all the rest are there any new procedures that could be considered given what has happened in the heart of paris? >> yeah. that's a good question andrea as well. this is certainly something that is always on the mind of the president and team members here is are we doing everything we need to do to make sure we are protecting the american people particularly the american people abroad? and so i'm confident that our experts will be considering whether or not initial steps need to be taken to harden our military facilities our additional steps to secure our diplomatic facilities around the globe. that's certainly something that will get careful consideration here, not just today but in the days ahead. >> okay. we are following braking news out of eastern paris where there has been a mass shooting 12 dead. at least ten other injured inside the officers of a satiric am newspaper in eastern paris. >> that newspaper had just been printing some cartoons that might have actually stirred this

hatred. josh earnest, thank you so much. if there is anything else out of the white house, please let us know. >> okay. i will do that. >> thank you, josh. great to see you. joining us from capitol hill from the armed senator committee, senator joe manchin and republican senator from south dakota senator hoven. we were hoping to have you here under better sessionles. thank you for joining us. >> it's good to be with you. >> joe, obviously, this is an ongoing problem, we are fools if we don't think that this isn't going to happen if it's happening in australian coffee shops and it's happening in satiric am newspapers in paris that this sort of terror is not going to be focused on us in retail attacks soon. >> joe, i have always said this first of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to all the families in this tragedy and that i say in west virginia when i go around the state, there

won't be another day in our life we won't have to be vigilant about terrorist attacks anywhere, any place in little rural west virginia north dakota or any part of america. we have to be vigilant in watching what's going on and making sure we are observing, ready to defend ourselves, but this is a horrific situation and it's going to take an awful lot of us working together. >> yeah. looking ahead at sort of we are trying to get answers out of the white house, there assessing the situation, itself. this just breaking in the past hour, which makes it a little bit noon paris time or 1:00. so it's happening in really the heart of the day, if i'm doing my math correctly. 1:00 and near the u.s. embassy in paris. a lot of decisions that the white house has to make with our own security. i would think that senator hoven, this is something you all will be looking at today rather than perhaps getting the agenda

started. >> our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and the families. this is a horrific attack. any time something like this happens, we have to review protecting our embassies and doing everything we can to work with our friends and allies around the globe in this war on terror to make our people safer and to try to sprint these types of tragedies. >> mica also you know it was funny, yesterday, we had an organizational committee with the armed service itself committee, with our new chairman june mccain. we were talking. we were going to meet today at 10:00, john was saying we will talk about the sony hacking him i'm sure it will change it's a secured briefing. it will be much different than as it was supposed to be than yesterday. >> senators nicole wallace. i wonder in your judgment if you feel there is enough in the

biocounterterrorism agenda, aknow in the months after -11 and the urgency is crystallized on a day like today. both of you standing there gives me hope that yes, i want your thoughts on the partisan spirit on not just protecting the homeland but the global war on terror? >> certainly it has to be done and in a bipartisan way. we've got to work both here at home as well as abroad to make sure we are doing more to review what happened and physical out what we can do better, to make sure we are taking stems not just on behalf of americans, whether it's france or australia or anybody else working with our friends and allies against terrorism around the globe. >> nicole i would also say, there is no protection against extreme radicals. they're going to hit anywhere they can. if they find people more vulnerable where they can sensationalize something. of course america is a rich

target as you can imagine. hit income paris and different places and basically bring terror and fear is something we can't enter our thought proceeds says -- process. to come together to protect our country and help people around the world in help and need keep them from being assaulted, if you will by these radicals, we got to do it. we start here at home. >> we do have to work together. it does take a bipartisan effort. >> certainly, it's a challenge, though, in terms of the types of attacks wee seen of late the coffee shops around the world and now here in paris. these are unpredictable, undetectible in many ways and it seems to come out of nowhere, actually willie. >> i'm looking at charlie hebdo's twitter feeds. the feeds that came out before the attacks started. it's the cartoon version of the head of isis. it's pretty innocuous, frankly, it's him giving new years, it

says, to your health. i don't know, and that went out literally minutes before this attack started. so that's one thing to think about and also president hollande of france came out just now and said we've thwarted many attacks. france has been under siege. they haven't been public about it. this one obviously could not be stopped and the results are tragic. 12 dead right now, including two police officer. >> what i would say to that is you know we keep telling everybody, you got to be vigilant. if you notice strange behavior. if you see people coming in heavy clothing. when it's not cold. just anything that would make you suspicious you got to be very vigilant about this and report it. we're all going to have to be. >> there is a massive stepping up of security in paris and across france at public areas, stores, transportation places of worship, life now has been recording attacks in recent weeks. now they have no choice but to raise the threat level and to

respond in every way they can. just looking at the latest ap wires, matching them up with bbc and reuters, again to bring you up to date law enforcement analysts look at this from 20,000 feet. we have two masked gunmen. we seen some absolutely terrorizeing video of what they did in the streets of paris. they stormed the paris offices of a sat irical newspapers killing 12 people before escaping in the streets. france's deadliest terrorist attacks in two decades, willie mentioned, french president hollande set the attack on the weekly newspaper that has drawn condemnation from muslims is a terrorist attack without a doubt. he said several other attacks have been thwarted in france in recent weeks. they were already on alert. we have video that we have looked at of these masked men executing what looks like police

officer in the streets, perhaps on their way out when they were getting away. >> yeah. >> and there are several reports that up to five people are critically injured and two police officers are among the dead. let's go now to nbc news law enforcement jim cavanaugh who joins us live. jim, what's your take on what we are seeing unfold? >> mica a very determined attack. it's planned. you can see in the video in the pictures that have come out from paris. these guys dressed in dark clothing. they have hoods, they are carrying kalashnikov rifles. they had backpacks, probably carrying ammunition. so they're in there, they're determined. this is planned, womanly mentioned there was a tweet. i think that's an act rat description of how the charlie hebdo was constantly doing that. but that would not be so close in time to this attack. i mean this attack was planned.

much attacks different tan we seen in the va in el paso. one gunman suicide am, a maniacal driven by inner demons these guys are prepared to target a special place that they have to carry out their vengeance on. the president said it's a terrorist attack from a police command standpoint clearly it looks like a terrorist attack.

you would have known that charlie hebdo would have been a target of potentially being fire bombed years ago. >> that would leave an impression. so you would think they would need some sort of ongoing either private security or extra attention from police at a very minimum him programs they were getting it yet, again, heavily armed worst attack and -- in

france in decades. now france the entire country, is on high alert, after 12 people have been murdered inside the offices of the satirical newspaper. we're following this breaking story. we have much more straight ahead as we approach the top of the hour. we'll be right back after a quick break.

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they cut the power. it'll fix itself. power's back on. quick thinking traffic lights and self correcting power grids make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. all right, if you're just joining us it is 56 past the hour. we are covering breaking news this morning out of paris. nbc news confirms that at least 12 people are dead in a mass shooting that took place inside the offices of the satirical

news. reuters reports black hooded gunman were scene at the newspaper. the newspaper's name is charlie hebdo. and shots were fired. take a listen. [ gunfire ] >> there's a eyewitness video from the scene. we're not going to show all of it, but here's part. [ sirens ] >> video of the two suspected assailants leaving. soon after, part of what we did

not show where a police officer is on the sidewalk obviously distressed, looks up and one of the suspected terrorists come over and shoot him dead. >> france's president hollande saying there's no doubt this is a terrorist attack. its cabinet is due to meet in an emergency session this hour. the paper has faced threats before for its use of caricatures of the prophet muhammad. "the new york times" reports its officers were firebombed in 2011 after publishing a cartoon of the prophet on its cover. security is being beefed up at houses of worship, stores media offices and transportation centers. we know among the victims are journalists and police officers. the committee to protect journalists, the deputy director released a statement, among other things he says this is a

braven assault on free expression in the heart of europe. the scale of this violence is appalling? andrea mitchell immigration, specifically muslim immigration to france has been an ongoing problem. a debate for over a decade. i did a quick search on france and immigration. i came up with "the new york times" opinionater column immigration mean france is over. dated january 5th, 2014. difficult to go more than a day in france without someone expressing the greatest conviction that the greatest problem in the country is minorities comprises the identity of france itself. et cetera, et cetera et cetera. but that debate has been there for such a long time. obviously, france has some serious historical problems with the treatment of immigrants in the past.

as do most western countries. but there is no doubt the riots that we've seen in the suburbs of paris and muslim neighborhoods. from disaffected muslim youth. the ongoing battle on even the wearing of head scarves which actually caused some violent protests in the past. we just reached a new chapter of the immigration wars in paris, haven't we? >> in paris and throughout europe i suspect. >> throughout europe. >> the other piece of this less reported has been the rise in anti-semitism in france. a huge exile, self-exile of french jews leaving and finding second homes or primary homes in israel. more french jews go into israel in the past year than russian jews. there's a real sentiment here but primarily, the anti-muslim sentiment, which you see throughout europe and now in

france. there's going to be reaction. we don't know who caused this. but we know it is somehow related from the fact that charlie hebdo was attacked was firebombed in 2011. so this precedes isis. isis is -- it turns out, could become, you know, a central feature of this. we don't know yet. but this has been an ongoing war against the satirical magazine and against the media. >> which of course regarding satirical magazines and satirical pieces of art, obviously, we had theo van gogh who was stabbed in the heart by muslim radical for artwork. and then of course i guess it was a daneish cartoon that caused extraordinary unrest there. this obviously takes it to a completely new level, ayman. >> this is not just an attack on a single individual news i

think it's an attack on a lot of values that are held dear in europe. i think obviously if in fact these attackers are captured the linkage between what motivated them and the speck target i think people will realize is beyond just charlie hebdoza as a newspaper. that in the past have printed some of these provocative or controversial cartoons or what have you. >> there are lots of different reports coming in as to what was happening in there, which is the scene that is described as carnage. national review has reports from witnesses. one writing that men in black hoods were heard to shout the words the prophet has been avenged. as they went through and terrorized the building and murdered at least 12 people. the president of france says that obviously intelligence officials have thwarted several attacks in recent weeks. and his statement goes on to say that this is an exceptional act

of barbarism committed against a newspaper and that paris is in shock and vows to fight these threats and punish the attackers. >> willie obviously, this newspaper had been attacked before. it appears that they actually had police protection. and today even though they were prepared that wasn't enough. >> there were police out on street outside. we don't know if that was police protection. we haven't confirmed that yet. needless to say, they were there, two of them were killed. i mentioned not long ago, going through charlie hebdo's twitter feet. feed. they posted a satirical cartoon of the head of isis. it's relatively innocuous. it's them wishing a happy new year to people to your health. this attack though was so well coordinated it's unlikely we're

responding responding to a tweet from just minutes ago. let's bring in retired senior british officer mikey kay. what's your reaction to what you've seen over last hour? >> just interesting listening to some of your conversations. i'd like to take it a little bit further. stefon chabonnier has made it quite clear that the magazine embraces all of the elements of left wing pluralism. it doesn't include just mocking islam. they even go after jews, atheist atheists. i think it's interesting the headquarters has come under attack not just now but also 2011. a firebomb attack because of the way it's mocked islam and specifically the karen toos scar cartoons with prophet my humiduhammad. it has the largest muslim population in europe something like 5 million. it's also got some of the most

restrictive laws when it comes to the expression of faith in public. when we look at syria, france has a huge problem with jihadists going from france into syria. there's something like 1,000 of them. and then you've already mentioned the veils and the restrictive laws on clothing implemented in april. they were challenged by devout muslim in france in november and that was overturned by the europe court. the conversation is spot on in terms of historical problems with the muslim population in france. sort of elements that are uprising there. >> to pick up on the point that mikey was making france has in the last couple of months arrested people who have been trying to go and join the fight in isis. so they know firsthand that the threat of what was happening inside syria and iraq had begun to manifest itself inside france. they arrested people leaving from marseille areas.

so they have thwarted attacks. but they are also drawing a lot of attention from people who either wanted to join the fight in syria or from isis itself turning back and criticizing -- >> andrea the french intelligence operation, i've always heard they are pros the best of the best. i remember after the iraq war began, you could hear certain members of the government just curse the french leaders and ambassadors. but the second you got to the intel agency they go oh hold on they are some of the best total pros. >> at the worst moments of diplomacy between former secretaries of state, was always very very tight. you're absolutely right. when you think about the proximity. think of how long the syrian

silver war has been going on. there can be inspirational attacks. the cross border movement of radicals, because with you, you have people who have western passports who can move so easily. it's basically in their neighborhood. it's so close. which is very different from our perception. we tend to ignore the syrian civil war from one day to the next until something happens, but for people in europe this is really next door. >> bill neely, who i know needs to get to paris, but we're glad to have you for a few moments here. given the fact that french officials have been working on thwarting terrorist attacks in recent weeks, certainly their guard was up. no idea at this point whether this is related or not. but no doubt top government officials are holding an

emergency meeting today to try to figure out where to go from here. >> yes, that's right, french police officers had said a few weeks ago that it wasn't a question of will there be a terror attack but when it will be. there was security around the offices of charlie hebdo. but i understand some of that security had been taken away in the last couple of weeks. this was a very very targeted attack. not like london in 2007 or the train bombings in madrid which were random attacks killing, you know, random members of the public. this was a deliberate attack on a magazine that has a history of being provocative. charlie hebdo was a satirical magazine. it is pretty brutal about christians about jews french politicians and muslims. of course it had been targeted before in 2011. it was firebombed after a public -- cartoons of the prophet muhammad. a year later, it published more cartoons of the prophet

muhammad. the french government appealed to it. please, it said do not publish these cartoons. the magazine went ahead and did it. the french government closed embassies and schools in more than a dozen countries around the world. so, you know, this is a well-known magazine a well-known and hard-hitting magazine. it was a very very deliberate attack. just looking at those videos what you get the sense of is this men, these attackers, knew exactly what they were doing. they weren't hot blooded men who just picked up a gun in anger. they looked like they are trained. they looked like they know what they're doing. if you look for example at the windshield on one of the police vehicles. all the shots are very tightly packed in one area. suggesting these people have some experience of weapons. >> and the fact is these is don't forget a manhunt. when we speak of terrorism now. this was not a suicide attack. they now have got away. at least two people on the loose who have done this horrific act.

>> at one point, we weren't sure it was two but i think it appears there are two on the loose. they were carrying kalashnikovs they were using on their way out. i believe that video we saw that was incredibly terrifying was them murdering a police officer before they fled. also it's interesting, bill i know you have to go but this is the same day that -- i've heard some reporting on this this morning we've had on our a aboutir, the release of a book that depicts france's election of its first muslim president. that book also was supposed to be reported on in this newspaper. too farfetched a connection at this point? >> nothing specific. i don't think it would need any particular connection in the last couple of weeks, you know, as i said this magazine was attacked for the first time in 2012. the french president prime

minister cameron, who's meeting the german chancellor today, they've all talked about this is an attack on freedom of the president. and those two men, at least two men who attacked the charlie hebdo offices, as they left they were heard crying we have avenged the prophet. one of the videos you can hear them shouting allow akbar, god is great. this was a very deliberate target. >> 12 dead five seriously injured, many wounded, the attackers on the run in eastern paris on the scene of charlie hebdo, which is a satirical newspaper. we've heard from the white house. josh earnest says the president is being briefed right now. they're not sure what they're doing with the u.s. embassy at this point. haven't made a decision. but it's near the scene of this attack. and, again, the two kalashnikovs are

on the run. >> amman, right now, obviously this is too early. we don't want anyone to speculate speculate. based on the time you spent following the rise of isis what is your -- what's your initial reaction to what we're looking at what you think we're looking at, and who may have organized this? because, you know, bill brought up some great points. these guys were not hot headed terrorists. they planned it out. they walked calmly. the video we see. they go over and calmly shoot a police officer in the head. instead of dashing to their car, they walk calmly to their car, put their guns inside and drive off. >> look, i would approach this from several layers of this particular event. one is i don't necessarily think isis has to be operational

linked to an event like this for them to claim responsibility. so in this sense, these individuals may have carried this attack out. in the coming days or hours, they may express allegiance to isis. they may express their desire to have carried this attack out to draw that connection to what is happening inside syria and iraq. i don't necessarily think isis as a group right now is operating in the sense that they're now bringing these individual also to syria or training them and then activate activating them. >> would that be a goal of isis leadership? though, to say we're coming to coffee shops in australia, we are coming to newspaper magazines -- >> absolutely they have not hidden their desire to want to create a sense of fear and panic in western and american cities. very much the same way they look at it as their need to transport the fight from syria and iraq towards the countries that are carrying out this coalition. >> and to kill any westerners

they can kill. >> oh, absolutely, they've done it on the battlefield in syria and iraq there's no reason not to claim the responsibility for the attacks both inside western europe or what have you. but as i was saying there's so many layers to this. you touched on a very important point as well. the descendants of immigration populations in these countries. they become ripe for exploitation by groups like isis. you know as you said disaffected -- >> the paris suburbs -- >> economically disadvantaged. politically marginalized. trying to cope with some of these issues like free press and learning how that works and being in a entrepreneurial istpluralistic society societies. >> we talk about andrea, two men being on the run. just looking at different reports coming in, there are reports of others driving a getaway car.

there might be four. i can't imagine two people could carry this out alone when you really think about it. it's an unknown number. >> they don't know clearly how wide spread this is. there are reports that charb, the editor of this satirical magazine have been under threat from terror-related groups since 2015. >> and there were fresh ones in the past weeks and months even. these guys according to these reports, entered this building shouting to what makes sense to what people are saying intending to kill. >> i think this is important this was a brave satirical operation. they didn't go after -- i just call up their depiction of the birth of the baby jesus. they went after everybody. that's really brave satire. that's what "south park" does. >> i was going to say, it actually sounds like what "south park" has done every week.

one week they will offend scientologists. the next week, they will have jesus on christmas with sub machine guns. >> provocative, offensive, equal opportunity. >> it is interesting the one thing i guess the comedy channel didn't let them do was actually show an image of the prophet muhammad. >> they certainly tried. let's bring in richard engel. nbc news chief foreign correspondent. he's in istanbul right now. what more can you tell us since we last spoke, your reaction to what we've been seeing over the last couple of hours? >> well a lot of people have said this is shocking. the scale of it is shocking. but the fact that it took place, however, is not entirely shocking. we've been talking about the possibility that this kind of attack could take place for well over a year. isis and other affiliated groups have been gaining strength. they have a safe haven in syria

now. also a safe haven in iraq. the militant groups themselves in their prop began da haveaganda have been telling their supporters not to bother to come through turkey, through istanbul which has been a traditional route militants have been taking to try to get to syria, to iraq. but to stay in their home countries and do exactly the type of commando operation we saw today. some reports have come out that the militants fired around 30 shots once they entered the satirical news magazine's headquarters. that would mean they unloaded a magazine and then reloaded another magazine and continued to fire continued their attack. so it was a brave assault as you've described. because this police -- this newspaper was under police protection. it was calmly executed. then they left the building. opening fire again. and escaping in what seemed to be getaway cars. this is going to be a serious

wake-up call for french security forces. which are already dealing with the threat of islamic extremists because of their threats of operations in mali their support for operations in syria and iraq. >> french government at this point denying a lot of attacks were linked. but i'm looking at different reports of smaller attacks around france in the past few weeks. among the dead two police officers. and we're looking at a number of journalists whose lives were taken. just reading here about the two black-hooded men, screaming allah akbar. there was a man in the building next door who said a neighbor called him to warn him. moments later, all these shots were heard throughout the building. automatic weapons firing in all directions.

you'd think it was a war zone. police have warned french media outlets to pay attention to security. now they are locking down major public areas. shopping mallings. and houses of worship. in light of what has happened there. we talked about two men armed with kalashnikovs on the run. there could be more. there was some sort of getaway vehicle. reports of people inside that getaway vehicle aiding these terrorists. >> nbc news has published something about charlie hebdo. first published in 1969. the anti-religious left wing magazine has no qualms about offending people. on new year's eve, it published the caricature of a dog having sex with the like of the president of france. it published a cartoon of the virgin mary giving birth to jesus who's depicted with a pig

nose. the offices were firebombed in 2011. the editor in chief was on an al qaeda hit list. it has been sued repeatedly by muslims. >> and shut down by the french government. there were a few times where the paper itself was banned in france in its, you know, first couple inceptions before it was brought back. >> from everything we're gathering here as it unfolds over the past hour and 45 minutes or so is that france was not caught off guard in terms of this event. it's obviously tragic and traumatic and happened with nobody expecting it to happen at this newspaper. there were lots of warning signs of trouble coming. >> yeah mika i think that's a great point. one of the things that i'm specifically interested in is how the intelligence community will react to this specifically in france but also the broader european intelligence

communities such as mi-5 and mi 6 based in uk. the uk has had a policy called contest. which is a sort of holistic approach to radical islam. one of those aspects is a proponent called protect. it tries to identify what as ammon said the disenfranchised, what is the process of that within the organic realms of what we're seeing here. it's all very well going to syria and military air strikes and what not, but we need to take a holistic approach to this. the uk's been doing this since 2011. i would be interested to see what the french intelligence community's response to this was. in terms of was this on their radar. we know as you rightly point out, there were other incidents in recent times. was this specifically on their radar radar. then the broader debate on the lone wolf and that broad

spectrum of threat from the lone wolf all the way to organizations that are empowered, that have a lot of revenue like isis and how the western intelligence communities deal with that spectrum of threat. >> what's been happening around the world in the last let's call it two hours among security agencies? how has this changed things? >> security agencies now are linked in a way they never were in the past. whenever something like this happens in a european capital for example, the nypd in new york city immediately step up their alert. to see, okay, something happened in paris, is there another plot for a copy cap operation or to have a similar ration in america city, in new york specifically? so very quickly, intelligence agencies start to cooperate to see if this is the start of the wave of attacks.

you mentioned the editor of this news magazine was on an al qaeda list. al qaeda likes to carry out multiple attacks, simultaneous attacks, because like they did on 9/11, have another related attack somewhere completely different to get security offices to thin out their numbers and not know exactly where to focus. no indication at this stage that we have heard there is any evidence of a follow-on attack. obviously, that is a concern. >> of course french president francois hollande immediately was on the scene. saying france is today shocked by this terrorist attack. he called it an act of barberism. difficult moment for the country of france. the white house and european nations will be on the phone today. >> oh they're absolutely in close contact. as richard was just saying this is an instantaneous response

from the center at cia and all of the agencies. we're checking to see whether the head of national intelligence is still intending to give a speech an intended speech, at 9:00 here in new york city. that said this is a call to arms from all counterterrorism experts to look and see what threats they determined. they're going back over all of the data coming in. using key words to see what nsa may have collected that might be some indicator this is a manhunt as well. so that's obviously the primary response but collateral attacks, second abeingttackattacks. angela merkel says this is primarily an attack on freedom of the press. this is going to bring together all western leadersh paris is an attack

on everyone. >> and journalists. the media comments from one of the directors is this is a brazen assault on free expression in the heart of europe. the scale of the violence is appalling. journalists must now stand together to send the message that such murderous attempts to silence us will not stand. and on the phone with us right now from beirut bbc correspondent kim gatis who knows a thing or two about being in war zones. but now really you get a sense today after the events in eastern paris, kim, that we're at a new -- a new front really in terms of attacks on journalists. >> yes. it's only getting worse for journalists. whether a war zone or whether you're a cartoonist for a newspaper in paris. it is really just utterly unbelievable to hear that some of the most well-known cartoonists of charlie hebdo

have apparently been killed in this attack. it's an attack against freedom of speech. it's an attack against satire and humor. something that doesn't often go down very well in arab countries, in general. it's important to remember that for example, in the country like egypt, a very famous satirical program on television had also been -- has come to an end because of the current leadership in europe can't handle satire either. there is increaseingly a sense that the space for freedom of expression is narrowing on so many fronts. i think this attack today in paris is the reminder that we need to be very cautious about how we push back so as not to make things worse as well. >> we're hearing from leaders around the country.

david cameron had said the murders in paris are sickening. we stand with the french people in the fight against terror and defending the freedom of the press. said this on twitter. german chancellor angel la merkel saying this is an attack on french citizens and their security and the freedom of speech and press corps elements of our free democratic culture. in no way can this be justified. >> you talked earlier about how anti-semitism in france is on the rise. a report i just saw coming across the wire, sinynagogues in france under protection today. >> that would be another primary goal. to protect all soft targets. that would be something they would want to do. the other news organizations clearly would also be under security -- what we heard from mikey was that -- and from bill neely was this magazine had already been protected. so clearly the protection is not

adequate against this kind of an onslaught. and they need to consider ramping up. but, you know, there is resistance as well in western europe to becoming an armed camp. they have not experienced until now what we experienced in 9/11. and the way our society has now become accustomed. especially in new york and washington and other major centers. the kind of security we now have. the street closures that we now take for granted. i used to park when worked on capitol hill right there, walk right in. had my own little parking space. now it's inconceivable you could even get within blocks and blocks with your own car. >> the french newspaper le mond is reporting media outlets and houses of worship are now receiving protection. how do you protect every potential soft target? how do you protect a coffee shop in sydney? how do you protect a mall

somewhere in america? you can't put your finger in every hole in the dam. >> this is why this particular attack is very significant. because there's the symbolism of what they're targeting but also it exposes the vulnerability. i'm pretty sure, you know you're going to see stepped up security in denmark, at the danish cartoon network. these kinds of satirical newspapers that have angered a lot of people. this particular attack an attack that is symbolic because it targets a new paper. in sydney, it was a cafe. if it's not a newspaper, it's going to be the way of life. >> obviously, it seems the attack in australia and the attack here, completely

different. in australia, you seem to have a man who was terribly troubled. who had gone in and out of prison. that seemed to be almost like a last -- sort of a last stand for him. here, we have shown the video. this has been cold and calculating and planned ahead of time. >> the residual aeffect of an attack like this is going to be greater. >> i think so. a great tragedy. >> when people realize this was a deranged individual who had a criminal past. it falls into a different category into the mind-set of ordinary people -- >> it really does. >> when it comes to an attack like this -- >> i think we'll find it was a group effort. more than two people. >> actually we're going to show this video again. we're not going to show the execution we've seen online. but we're going to show more of

this video of the two alleged gunman in the streets. as they are leaving. and they see a wounded police officer on the sidewalk who looked up and one comes over and shoots -- shoots him in the head. and then they calmly walk to their car and leave. we're not going to show the actual shooting. but we are going to show parts of the video. and it may be disturbing to some people. [ gunfire ] >> and then they shot the police officer at point blank range. most tellingly, they walked calmly back to their car. took their time. got in.

drove off. this is -- not a desperate last stand by two crazed gunman. this was a calculated pit job. >> it was. we'll learn more assuming these men are apprehended about what went into this planning. this obviously was not a spur of the moment thing. they knew exactly what they were doing. we'll find out exactly who was behind it. the international community will pool together their resources to see if there was anything larger at work. it's something that was on everybody's mind this morning. we see 12 confirmed dead now it 12 of those are police officers. walked into the offices of a satirical magazine. satirical magazine based presumably on some of the things they had published about the prophet muhammad. >> mikey, you saw the video with us. what did you note from it?

>> mike were? >> one i think is really interesting here is the methodical way in which these attackers perpetrated this offense. if you look at the weapons. pretty sophisticated weapons. andrew made a really good point which is about the accessibility of the borders within europe on the availability and ability to transfer weapons and funding and arms from one country to another. it makes the job of the intelligence communities pretty significant in terms of the difficulty. and then you have as ammon was pointing out you have this broad spectrum of capability. i would want to know if i was the intelligence community where were these people trained? how did they get their hands on this sophisticated equipment? because, you know, it takes time to train people to this level of

competency. it's not something that happens overnight. you guys rightly point out the sydney siege was very different. it was someone who didn't know what they were doing. in fact he was a shia. not a sunni. so that was a little bit confusing in terms of the way he became disenfranchised. if i was the intelligence community, this would be perplexing. because these people who perpetrated this crime in paris today have had training. and there has been a build-up to this. >> well, that's the concern, that perhaps this is connected to recent thwarted attacks and also the concern is there are far more than two people involved with the attack on this satirical -- >> and troubling they got away. >> and a sign they were not alone in this -- this was coordinated. >> and so coordinated and well planned. reportedly the gunman hit the newspaper in the middle of the weekly conference making sure all staff were there. other accounts -- >> calling out names. >> other accounts say they spoke

perfect french. they went in there. it was very calculating. >> earlier, we spoke with white house press secretary josh earnest. we asked hip about the president's response to this in paris. >> this is a terrible act of violence. one we condemn in the strongest possible terms. the thoughts and prayers of the president and first lady and everybody here at the white house are with the families of those killed or injured in this attack. our thoughts are with our allies in france right now. we're still -- you know, we're obviously in the very early stage of -- stages of trying to figure out what exactly happened. who is responsible. and what their motivation is. what i can tell you is the french have been stalwart allies. as we have undertaken a strategy to degrade and ultimately destroy isil. we're working very closely with them on this effort. that also includes the effort to combat foreign fighters. you'll recall the president back at the u.n. general assembly meeting earlier this fall

chaired a united nations meeting. where they talked about the ability to combat foreign fighters. our allies in france have been cooperative in this effort. we're going to work closely with them on it. one last thing i'll tell you, throughout this campaign the french people have shown a tremendous bravery and courage. as we've -- as the world -- community has faced the threat, we know they are not going to be cowed by this terrible act of violence. >> what is the white house and security officials looking at in terms of what we should be doing in our own -- whether we're traveling to france or even potential threats that you all are investigating here in the united states. >> well, mika we are still in the very early stages of this. i can tell you that senior national security officials here at the white house have been in close touch with their

counterparts. i know that's true of other national security agencies as well. the united states stands ready to work closely with the french as we have in a variety of areas to help them conduct this investigation. if the perpetrators are still at large, we're going to track them down and work with the french -- >> the shooting took place not far from the u.s. embassy in paris. are there any plans to have the epbase evacuated? >> not that i'm aware of at this point. obviously, state department officials in france and over in foggy bottom here in washington, d.c. will be responsible for ensuring our american diplomats are safe in france and around the world and i'm confident that's something they're evaluateing now. >> this has long been a great fear, as you know of security people here in the united states, these attacks on a soft target. we've seen a coffee shop in australia, now a satirical magazine in paris. where does this rank on the list of priorities? how concerned are officials within the government about this

kind of attack on a soft target inside the united states? >> well willie, you know, this is a -- this violent extremism is something the world has been dealing with for more than a decade now. and we obviously are trying to monitor what we consider to be a really important threat which is this threat of foreign fighters. so, you know it is clear that isil does harbor the ambition to try to radicalize people across the globe. one core component of our strategy has been to mobilize the forces -- or the leaders in the muslim community, particularly the moderate voices in the muslim community. to talk about what the values of islam really are. it's a peaceful religion. and it's terrible that we're seeing some radical extremists attempt to use, you know, some of the values and tenets of that religion and to exploit them greatly. i don't want to get ahead of this investigation. it's still under investigation. we don't know what happened yet.

it's still not clear who was responsible. we are very cognizant of this threat posed by foreign fighters. ice sell's attempts to use media. to try to inspire acts of violences. it's something we work closely with our allies on a daily basis to combat. >> the source of the funding that's behind some of this obscene philosophy those sources have come from countries that frankly, are u.s. allies. saudi arabia qatar, places around the persian gulf. has the united states made progress in shutting off this flow of money from our allied countries that go to advance and support this sort of murderous philosophy? >> well gene you asked a good question. that is another core component

of our strategy. but the fact is shutting off the funding for isil has been a core component of our strategy. we have received great cooperation from nations around the world, including nations in the region, in trying to shut down the efforts of isil to raise funds. what that's by taking hostages and extorting ransoms or trying to illicitly sell oil on the black market. we have put in place a sanctions regime trying to target some of those individuals. so we have made important progress there. it requires the careful coordination and cooperation of regions and countries around the globe. >> andrea pitchle has a question for you, josh. >> on december 21 friday night before christmas, the state department issued a travel warning to all americans. and warned that as a result of

the australia attack that americans traveling abroad and american facilities embassies, military facilities, needs to be on alert for the holiday period going forward. will this travel alert now be upgraded? facilities -- asked about paris, but what about around the world and american travel american air security? tsa and all the rest? are there any new procedures that should be considered given what has happened in the heart of paris? >> that's a good question andrea, as well. this is certainly something on the mind of the president and members of his team here. are we doing everything we need to do to make sure that we're protecting the american people particularly the american people abroad. and so i'm confident that our experts will be considering whether or not additional steps need to be taken. and that's certainly something

that will get careful consideration here. not just today but in the days ahead. >> that's josh earnest with the white house responding on "morning joe" to the attacks in paris earlier this morning. ammon, we are talking about who these guys might be. these terrorists might be. you brought up the very interesting point. the french intelligence agencies are so good they're able to follow a 17-year-old girl who is going to try to leave the country and become a member of isis. and yet this was something that was not picked up. does this suggest it's more home grown, more organic? >> in the coming hours, the investigate will shed more light on that. one is as we were saying it looks like a well coordinated plan. we know the french has a robust intelligence service. so for me this suggests a certain degree of sophistication by people who know how to live

low in a society like france or paris. getting those types of weapons is not easy. those are weapons reportedly being used in this attack. the fact these guys simply had a getaway car. the fact they're on the run. these aren't people who came to carry out an attack and perhaps preparing to die. i think a lot of that suggests a certain degree of sophistication. we know some of the attacks suggest they spoke french flew went fluently. suggestses s went fluently. suggestses ss knowledge of what they were doing. >> also, you get a sense, from just from details coming in these guys went in to a newsroom and fired indiskrm natcriminateindiscriminately.

this is according to a reporter as well as the police union saying that the attackers left in a waiting car and later switched to another vehicle. a sense that were many more. >> clearly more than two. there could be 12 or it could be 100, you know, who knows how many people. as good as french intelligence can be at knowing who's in the community and who's doing what and who's trying to do what they're not going to bat 1,000. the difficulty i certainly have today. i think a lot of people have, you know, is what does it mean to live in the world with that knowledge, that nobody bats 1,000. and, in fact these attacks will occasionally be carried out successfully.

which is a really troubling, disturbing thing to deal with. >> isn't that the way we've been living since 9/11 here in the united states? >> these guys have to be successful only once to create the havoc we're seeing. the french have been thwarting attacks all summer long. one attack gets through and this is the aftermath. >> you bat 900 and you failed right? you stop 9 out of 10. >> you bring up a good question. german chancellor angela merkel talked about this. it's an attack on freedom of speech and the press. in no way can this it be justified. but just in terms of what we're talking about here isis this world of retail terrorism, can this be a war that's won. i mean really. sorry. >> well andrea -- >> but it almost seems

impossible. >> except for the fact after 9/11 everybody had said there was absolutely no way there would never be another attack like that on the united states post-9/11. there hasn't been a domestic attack like that. knock on wood. there are a lot of possibilities bush and cheney put into effect a lot of people are very critical of. barack obama came into power. he has put a lot of policies into effect that i have been critical of. that other people have been critical of. you look at the net effect of these two men who are standing shoulder to shoulder. again, very different ideological spectrums. they both made decisions a lot of people have not liked. it reminds me so much of how thingsters are cold war. when you have a democrat clawing the eyes out of a -- but whether it went from truman to eisenhower to nixon to carter to

ford to whoever. >> there's a very interesting -- continuity of that fundamental policy toward the soviet union then and perhaps toward islamic terrorism now. >> i have two pictures up. one of truman one of reagan. people would say what. i said one had the nerve to start the cold war and one had the nerve to end the cold war. it also brought up a larger point. that we do this as democrats and republicans. >> joe manchin was on this program earlier today talking about their armed services committee meeting under the new chair john mccain and how it was initially going to be focused on cyber and an intelligence briefing on that and how clearly now it was going to be focusing on this and it's going to be bipartisan. i think that john mccain is going to find as he gave bipartisan support to dianne feinstein when she was, you know complaining and investigating the cia and that

was a controversial investigation. look at, joe, the change in american public opinion after the first beheadings. the way american public opinion turned very strongly in favor of counterterrorism and tougher measures. >> you mentioned, in just about 15 minutes scheduled to speak, james clapper. still happening. potentially could hear some first official response there. joining us on the foend,phone, anders lund. i understand you live near where the attacks happened. can you tell us what you saw? >> yes, i live about 200 meters away. i heard gunshots. i thought it was some kind of construction work gone wrong. but loud sounds. and immediately when i heard it i ran down. and i saw a lot of people being

shot, people scared confused standing outside of the cafes and not knowing what had happened and what to do. cops. silence everywhere. i waited a while. then i saw some people from afar being carried away on stretchers. they had closed off the area well. you could not really get that close. but well enough to see it. >> have you noticed police protection around the magazine? >> no well yeah, yeah, i have. >> anders thank you so much. that's the one thing we'll hear more about.

french officials do say they've been on alert already. there are reports there were police protection. but that perhaps it had just been backed down a little bit. >> there are reports that they went after speck people. the editor and who -- taking people down one by one. >> following breaking news here on msnbc. things have taken a dramatic turn. mass shooting out of eastern paris. 12 people confirmed dead.

there is video of one of those officers being executed in the streets. there appears to be some sort of help they received with some sort of get away car. world leaders are speaking out against what is now one of the worst, the deadliest attack in france in decades. >> it will be the job of world leaders to put into words the shock and the horror. it's going to be a much more difficult job. and also police officers who are in charge of maintaining

public safety. whether it's munich or -- >> those officials right now -- >> their job just becomes more difficult. >> -- scrambling to look for any connections, any movement any activity, anything that indicates something broader or multiheaded is under way. more specifically in france has to be intense in those -- >> -- and anywhere houses of worship -- >> suburban areas and -- populated largely by immigrants. i'm sure just huge operations -- >> defense officials was -- throughout europe in the wake of

today's terrorist attack. officials say despite this there appears to be in direct or imminent threat against u.s. military installations. we mentioned earlier about the u.s. embassy being close to this location. no plans right there to lock down even at the embassy. we're still taking -- >> that's because they were already at the highest -- >> yeah not much more they can do except evacuate at this point. >> let's bring in right now the president on the council of foreign relations. richard, what should the president's response be today? >> what we have to be looking at is what we're doing. the best we can do is try to refund. that means continuing to press what we're doing in iraq. it's just all the stuff security

does day in and day out. i think it's a good chance to review everything we're doing with the muslim community inside the united states and to look at all the things, the conversations we're having about ways they can take steps to discourage and delegitimize this sort of action. >> richard, you spoke yesterday early this morning, about a speech out of europe that was critical of islamic extremism. tell us about it. >> it's the president of egypt. it's the annual birthday of the prophet muhammad. let's be honest. he was somewhat motivated by his continued opposition to the muslim brotherhood. but still it's impressive when any leader in the arab or islamic world stands up and says, hey, we have a problem. you just can't blame it on the west. you just can't blame it on the israelis. there's something wrong when you have this kind of conflict between 1.5 million muslims and

the rest of the world. and where is this taking us. that's the kind of voice we need to hear. i'd love to hear it out of saudi arabia which historically has been a big supporter of fairly radical islamic movements. really, a real change in the message over state-controlled media. a real change in the institutions where you train people to be imams. that's the sort thing we're going to need. >> state-controlled media. obviously, we have seen over the past six months perhaps more arab countries speaking out against isis. obviously, the uae taking a leading role. what does -- what has been the reaction of state-controlled media over the past six months? the type of messages that in the past have gone out that have been anti-western, at times, anti-semitic anti-semitic?

has that changed in a year? >> i haven't followed it closely enough to give an authoritative answer. we are seeing criticisms of groups like isis. that to me is different. in countries like uae, egypt, you're obviously seeing tremendous pressure against the muslim brotherhood or offshoots or groups similar. this is something healthy. we're finally beginning to see a kind of struggle to use a cliche, for the soul of sunni islam. that to me is a healthy corrective dynamic. >> amman, what have you noticed over the past six to nine months since you've had arab states start to speak out against the spread of isis extremism on state-controlled media? >> i think it's a bit cosmetic. i wouldn't put a lot of value to it. the reason why i say that is the problems in these societies is

deeper. it's one thing to play lip service. to we'd like to have a more moderate interpretation. but it's actually very different when you start applying that across the board to everything in society. if you push through a reform agenda you have to change the structure. if you don't, you're going to end up with this kind of message of islam. and that's the problem. >> andrea -- >> all right -- >> go ahead. >> we're also seeing major transitions. the saudi king is ill, gravely ill, we're told. there are succession issues.

there's going to be a lot of turmoil. bahrain bahrain. i mean, these are areas that are not going to be stable as generational change take place. >> we want to wrap up our live coverage here which will continue after the break. nbc news confirming this morning out of paris that at least 12 people are dead in a mass shooting at a satirical newspaper inside their offices inside the newsroom. two of the dead police officers. we have video of some of how this violence played out. the images are graphic and disturbing. [ gunfire ]

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