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the domestic terrorist ball. but that has seemed less true in recent years. there have been so many attacks since barack obama came to office that i do not think it has escaped the attention of law enforcement. >> okay. from the southern positive law center. thank you for your time. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news. french police have identified three suspects in the deadly attack that shocked the world. nbc news reports two men are in their 30s. both french nationals. and that the third is 18 years old. his nationality is not clear. the a.p. reports one of the men was convicted in 2008 for helping to funnel fighters to insurgents in iraq. the paris attack targeted a
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satirical magazine known for its controversial cartoons of the prophet mohammed. it left 12 people dead. a shoot-out on the street that outside the office was caught on tape. >> the two masked men firing with automatic rifles before climbing into a getaway car, manned by the third suspect. the suspects later abandoned that car. it is now being processed for evidence. tonight as the clock strikes midnight in paris, we are getting reports of some kind of police operation underway northeast of paris. we have team coverage with the latest from paris. jump dates on the manhood and
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what happens next in the fight against terrorists. and we start with nbc's cassandra, live in paris. cassandra, what are officials saying about these three suspects and the search to find them? >> reporter: to be honest, officials are saying very little about the suspects other than to confirm their names. as you said two are in their 30s and the third is 18 years old. other than that they're releasing very little information other than to say that they will track them down and punish them. >> what do we know about the other two if any, and are there any hints that they may be connected to some larger group? or are they acting solo or is it too early to tell? no one is leaking anything. >> reporter: i think it is really too early to tell to be honest with you. there are a lot of media reports
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floating around at the moment about how one may or may not have gone to syria at some point in time. until we final out more from the officials themselves i would rather not say. >> have there been any briefings in terms of where they are securing other locations around paris? whether or not they feel that they may be more involved than this or is it pretty tight-lipped? >> reporter: well they've been very clear to state that they are really ramping up security not just in paris but throughout france. they've deployed tons of extra police officers. they're sending more military personnel on the streets and they're very clear that they're doing everything they can to ensure the security of the french people. >> do people feel under siege or what is the mood? what is going on around the city? >> reporter: it is a mixture of shock and determination. right now, some people in france
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are saying, this might be their 9/11 moment. it is the largest attack on french soil in probably two decades. at the same time, there's been a huge outpouring of solidarity. not just for the victims of the attack on charlie hebdo but for the press and the french people. earlier in paris there was a massive rally at a key tourist attraction and landmark here in paris. and tens of thousands of people turned out to show support for the magazine for its staff, for the families who lost loved ones, to say we will not bow to this. we will not cave to terrorism and we will not support any sort of attack on freedom of the press. >> all right. cassandra, thank you for your reporting tonight. because the attack occurred in a major urban center there were eyewitnesses who saw it all unfold. it was a shocking interruption to what had been an ordinary workday in paris.
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joining me now is a french journalist who witnessed part of the shooting. thank you for joining me. >> reporter: are good evening. >> tell me what you saw. >> reporter: i saw the end of the shooting. i witnessed some people fleeing the, on the street and heavy policemen coming to toward the shooters and the gunmen. and the policeman who was shot in the head was shot in front of our building while they were the gunmen were fleeing. i was overlooking and i saw the people who were trying to escape and this policeman tried to hide
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from the shooting because the gunmen were in the car. and they were actually trying to escape as well. and they stopped the car and they shot him in the head. >> we're seeing vigils all over paris. but we're seeing people standing up saying we're not afraid. the mood right now in the city is, give me a description how you would say the mood is laura. >> reporter: what i'm going to describe is very simple. the sites where the policeman was killed in front of my building after the security perimeter was off. a lot of people a lot of people who live nearby came with candles and roses and flowers and they gathered and they remained silent and they were united.
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and i think this is a small example of what is happening tonight in france. everybody is standing there. >> thank you very much for your time. >> reporter: you're welcome. >> i want to bring in evan coleman, nbc news terrorism analyst and jim, former analyst. thank you both for being here. evan french police now identifying three suspects. what do we know? >> we know that one of these individuals has been named. cherif couchie was arrested in 2005 supposedly when he was in the final stages of planning to travel to syria and then to iraq to join what was then al qaeda and iraq which was now okayly isis. now whether or not he actually made to it syria or iraq whether or not he was given instructions by this group, we
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really don't know. and there are still some suggestions that these folks were identifying themselves at least to the eyewitnesses as being affiliated with al qaeda's branch in yemen. there is no love lost between isis and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they hate each other in a public way. they issue nasty statements about each other. it is not possible that they were both. maybe they were something else. maybe they were home growns. maybe they were doing this out of inspiration from seeing aqap in yemen, having seen isis and taking mat enters into their own hands. >> we don't know yet. >> there are ties between these folks and the recruitment networks that have led people in syria and iraq to join these folks. >> jim, let's talk about that suspect evan was just talking about. he reportedly helped funnel fighters to iraq's insurgency. and you was sentenced to 18 months in prison. how closely was he being monitored? >> it is difficult to say
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because it is conducted by france's intelligence service. i can tell you that both at home and abroad they are really, really good at what they do and so while we don't have specific information about this suspect just yet, generally speaking i can say without a doubt that the french intelligence services are quite in tune to the islamic extremist problem they have in their country. >> what are the french intelligence officials doing now? are they looking at these suspects? contacts? what are they doing? >> first, if these are the suspects there's no doubt they're trying to figure out did they have residences? are there cellular phones mobile devices, satellite phones, any kind of device that would show these folks are conspiring with anyone else. either local lone wolf extreme. is or organizations outside the borders of france. obviously one of the first things they would have done was say look were there mobile phones being used at the exact
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time and place of the attack itself. who was using these phones? did someone record this footage? this is what they're looking at. if these are the guys it looks like they were already known to french authorities. one of the questions we'll to have answer in the coming days is, if someone is arrested and convicted in a country like france for shepherding individuals to iraq to join isis how is it that person then later on a year later, carries out an attack like this and nobody knows anything about it until it is too late. >> a good question. you know law enforcement in france pretty well. what they caught flat footed here? i mean what happened? >> well the reality is that we can never be 100% safe no matter who you are, no matter which intelligence service you're talking about. the french are certainly excellent but the reality is that you can't have your thumb on every single suspect at all times. intelligence and law enforcement is as much an art as a science.
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it is piecing little puzzle pieces together and hoping that you end up in the right place at the right time when something bad is about to happen. and here yes, we have some information that this individual was involved in some nefarious activity. at the end of the day, french intelligence services or anyone else doesn't have the resources to watch everybody all the time. so unfortunately, planning can go on in a clandestine fashion. >> a lot of people are concerned in the united states. what do we say to people at home tonight that are very concerned? what do we say? >> well look. first of all you have to understand that the threat of individuals within france of being radicalize asked joining groups like aqap or isis, it is more of a problem here than. there look at the number individuals who have traveled from france to syria. you're talking about ten time or more the number of americans that have gone. nonetheless, the same way that there are individuals from
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france that have gone to these places. yemen, syria, iraq have gotten training there and have sought to carry out attacks later. that's a threat we face too. it may not be on the same scale of what fran is looking at. but look there is nothing stopping someone who has received any degree of training from carrying out an attack like that here in the united states. nothing about this screams organization, assistance from abroad highly sophisticated technique. this was not an underwear bomb. these were automatic weapons and these weapons can be object tained by almost anyone here in the united states or foreign countries. >> what is next and what happens in france and what happens around the world in terms of reaction and making people feel secure? >> law enforcement organizations are undergoing investigations.
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the country will be on lockdown over the next 24 hours as we are concerned about subsequent attacks or copycat attacks. individuals inspired by what they see and take their ideology and act on it. i don't want to arouse fearful france because they are part of the european union will be closed down on all sorts of transportation mechanisms. police and they're out, the counter trifl experts and special forces will be on high alert on trains because france does have quite extentive train network. and obviously, airports and sea ports. as they try to track these suspects before they can move. because right now, we don't exactly know where they are. there are beginnings of rumors police operations. afp is reporting one in france. so they're going to want to
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disrupt this network if it exists. make sure these suspects don't have the opportunity to flee the country. >> please stay with me. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. up next what do we know about the terrorists? we'll look at how experts are analyzing this tape for clues to catch the killers. also are we safe here at home? how do we stop a similar attack in the u.s.? and will the terror attack back fire? huge rallies today in support of free speech. standing up against fear. you're watching msnbc's breaking news coverage of the terror attack in paris. >> our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those who have been lost in france. with the people of paris and the people of france and those who carry out senseless attacks against innocent civilians,
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we're back with breaking news at the offices of charlie hebdo, a humor magazine and this was not the first time this magazine has been targeted. our foreign correspondent has been reporting on this. >> this magazine as you mentioned is one with a lot of controversy. it has over the last several years targeted all kichblds religious groupings. in 2011 it was criticized widely by a lot of muslim groups. for at the time inviting the profit to be a guest editor and it was as a result of that particular issue that the magazine was attacked. in fact it was bombed by it at
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the time suspected militants. more importantly in 2012 when there was all this controversy going around about a video called the innocence of muslims that triggered protests around the world, the magazine also came under criticism by the french government which rebuked and it asked the newspaper, the magazine not to publish those images. the magazine defied the french government and insisted that it had the right to do so and in fact it did. that forced the french government to shut down schools around the world. in 2014 the magazine was once again accused by various ngos, muslim groups and elsewhere. it had an offensive cover, it had a man holding the copy of the koran and at the time it said the koran does not stop bullets. and muslims felt that was very offensive and blast femmous. it has criticized the pope and
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more than 12 hours after this morning's deadly terror attack in paris, the three gunmen are still at large. nbc news reports two of the suspects are french nationals. in their 30s. the third is 18 years old. it is unclear if he is french too. the ap reports one of the men was convicted of terrorism charges in 2008. today's attack was carried out with military style equipment, including bullet-proof vests and ak-47s. after driving away from the scene, the gunmen abandoned their car, hijacked another and drove away. what kind of training did they have? are they part of a larger group? and the big question where are they? back with me is nbc news terrorism analyst evan kohlmann and jim cavanagh retired atf
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agent and nbc law enforcement analyst. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> jim, you've seen the video of the attack. what do you think of the tactics and training? >> well, i don't see a lot of training in there but i see some familiarity with the firearms. maybe one of these guys or both have been in a conflict area before. they're outfitted correctly. they have gloves. when you shoot a gun like that like a clishkalashnikov, it gets hot. they're not expert marksmen but they got a tight group on a police windshield. there's some planning. i don't see a lot of military training. maybe they have been in a conflict zone syria, northern africa, somewhere else or they could have just had firearms training and practiced a lot. they have the desert ammunition vest, et cetera.
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they flubbed a lot of stuff. they went to the wrong door. the one guy jumps out of the car with his shoes untied. there's a highly trained military person them get cartoonist and put the gun to her head to get into the building so all these things don't indicate the style of years of planning or something that al qaeda would do. they would know the combination. they would tie their shoes. they would know who they're going to kill. i don't see that. i think it is more like probably a home grown group, a wolf pack that may be connected somewhere. it may be inspired. we have to wait and see. >> what are authorities doing right now to final these men? >> well they're doing all the things that normally we would do in an investigation. closed circuit tv all across paris prior to the incident. they're doing cell phone tracking and going right back into their database. if the information you put out already about, it might be two brothers and a third man known to the authorities, previously
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convicted of supporting terrorism, two brothers acting in a terrorist attack. we've seen that in boston, the tsarnaev brothers. and there's many family ties in terrorism and all through it evan can tell you, the steam familia ties that bring people into that thinking. that wouldn't be surprising. they're getting tips. they may recognize them. intelligence officer may even recognize them on the video. neighbors could flip them in. there's all kinds of possibilities that they got their county that quickly. now they have to find their whereabouts. >> how is muslim extremism in france different from other western countries? >> i think you have to understand to be fair the cleavages that exist between muslims and nonmuslims are far more severe than in the united states. >> far more severe.
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>> and prejudice against arabs in france is a real problem. i grew up there. i saw this personally. a lot of my friends were of north african origin and the way they were treated by the authorities and the police it created a certain mentality. the mentality is that these people were at war with us. and unfortunately, some of the folks who have grown one that mentality have pushed this to a new level. there is no doubt, no excuse for launching an attack on a numb office and murdering people. it is also important that the french society realizes as a whole, if it want to prevent these attacks in the future one method is to identify would be attackers before they launch an attack. another method is to take away the ideological basis that they're using to launch this. the sympathy that they get is because of the fact again, there is a problem with islam phobia. we have to try to resolve that
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issue. that will help resolve some of the cleavages and hopefully help dissuade some of the people that to have gone syria and iraq and elsewhere and who are trying to wage war against their own society. this doesn't make any sense. as long as there is this sense of islam phobia in france they'll always have these issues. >> how will this end if they'll always have these issues? if you have all these disaffected voices where does this go? >> it up to moderate voices within both sides. number one, up to individuals within the french slil community to come out very strongly and condemn this. explain this has nothing to do with islam. nothing to do with islam faith. that this is a dishonorable act by any definition of islam and it is also up to french society and the authorities to come out and say very strongly this is not about islam. it is not about muslims. this is a small group of extremists who are out there
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murdering people for an tract reasons that they're using religion as a cover for. >> what is the press dental for this kind of attack in europe? >> you can go back to 1996 where there are a group of guys who came back including native frenchmen who brought back an arsenal of women's back with them and, they brought an arsenal of weapons. they started trying to launch bombing attacks against police stations. it ended out a big shoot-out between france and belgium and they know what they're doing. they're heavily armed. unfortunately, there is press dental for this. in the past year we've seen an individual who was train in syria, who came back to france. who launched a shooting attack on the jewish museum in brussels. this guy did an extremely capable attack. he made international headlines and there's not one shred of
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evidence suggesting that he was directed to do that by al qaeda, by isis. did he this apparently all on his own. >> but jim, there is still a threat. even if they're not connected to a bigger group. clearly they are still a threat and what evans is telling us about, the feeling of disaffection this could be serious threats in the future. >> right. it could be an inspired wolf pack it could be a connected wolf pack. i wanted to build on what he is saying. it is so important and it is really the larger discussion. the terrorists want to be identified with islam. they want to be identified as representatives of islam which they are not. they want to be identified in this case as avenging the prophets' insults. and we in the west have to make the separation between terrorists and the 1.3 billion muslims in the world who are not part of it and don't support it.
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we in our language constantly say, islamic state. we shouldn't call these people that. it should not happen. the president could issue a directive in one minute that nobody in the government should call them that. they're not them don't represent 1.3 billion people. we shouldn't play their game that they're trying to play that their a representative of islam. that's what he is saying. call them something else. we can start there to make the world better. >> jim, stay here with me. evan thank you for your time tonight. coming up a massive manhunt is underway. we're getting word of a police operation underway northeast of paris. richard engel joins us ahead. >> the neighbor called to say there were armed men in the building and to close the doors of the offices. it was as if we were in a state
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nbc news has just learned that one of the suspects has been killed and two are in custody. one of the suspects has been killed. and two are in custody in the killings in paris, france today. let's go back to jim cavanagh. are you with me? >> i'm here. >> we just confirm one of the suspects killed two in custody. we don't have any further
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details but nbc can confirm that. >> right. well massive investigation on the other two certainly. what weapon did they have. searching their houses cars apartments, connections, foreign connections, is there any other players in the conspiracy, logistical support. they'll be interrogated all that will happen intensively. it reminds you of the madrid trade bombings in 2004 i believe it was. where the perpetrators went off, got away and when the police went to their hideout, they detonated explosives and killed themselves. one of these guys is killed when the police arrive. they could be in some shoot-out with the officers and they captured the other two. it will give paris and france a sigh of relief that at least this crazed wolf pack is not loose. so some good fast work by the police. but it also shows that they're
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not the giant international terrorists that they want to be. they're just some criminals with a distorted view of the world and they'll massacre innocent journalists and police officers and citizens. >> we're getting this from a senior u.s. counter terrorism official. and clearly, this manhunt if what we're being told has worked in terms of tracking these three down. one dead. does that tell you there might be a could not frontation and resistance? without any real details released how do you assess the fact that within these 12 hours. they have found them but one is dead. >> you have to assess it from the prior behavior that we've seen this morning. the vicious shoot-out with the police on the street and the killing of the journalists and you take that into later in the day.
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there's an apprehension. and you would believe that same type of resistance behavior may continue. the police could have been involved in a shoot-out with them and one of them was killed and the other two captured and could be wounded. we don't know that some could be wounded. it is good news for the police that they might have got on them fast. now they have to look for other players. even if there's a home grown group and assuming that the two that have been apprehended are not severely wounded. wouldn't they be putting them under every interrogation, trying to break them to final out all that they could? walk me through that. >> absolutely. they'll be interrogating them separately if they're not wounded and able to talk. that will be i'm sure extensive, long time interview interrogation of them to get all
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the information on any possible confederates conspirators support, logistics, foreign connections, all. those things. they'll be at their computers. did they store anything? prior to the massacre that would have shown the planning, what they want to do how they wanted to carry it out. they'll be looking at their cell phones who might have helped them but not been a trigger puller. there could be some other people as well. people who supplied them with weapons, safe houses, money, any kinds of things that could have helped the massacre occur. we believe they are in the city north of paris. and there is a photo of it. and we are confirming that. but clearly, as we hear you
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break down the possible solo interrogations or individual ones depending on the suspects would they also be talking to a lot of people and where they were found i'm trying to find out who may have help. had knowledge or connected. they may have gotten the three suspects. >> the priority is is there another attack at foot? so law enforcement is always conscious of that. was there a further plot by them or co-conspirators that could be interrupted? so that's always the very first effort. i would say that literally
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thousands of law enforcement and intelligence personnel, military personnel across france, are involved in this. not only interviews with neighbors, family associates but they're looking to cross the electronic world to see where they've been what they've done all their financial records, where they've traveled everything about them. going back you know certainly quickly, six months maybe a year maybe further, as time goes by. they will want to have a trial if they live and all those facts have to be uncovered. the first thing, is there another attack that can be stopped? next the complete investigation for co-conspirators, confederates and evidence. >> this is a video, a little jerky, of the city where we believe that the manhunt took place tracking down these three. which is outside of paris.
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this is reims where we believe the manhunt successfully tracked down these three. a little north of paris but definitely outside of paris. does that tell us anything? >> well it is likely they thought they could get away. they had an escape plan and they wanted to live. i think you can see that. they were prepared to die. that you they wanted to live. they had an escape plan they had one actor set as a driver and we were willing to confront the police and get away. they could have to do there in another single airio and just shot it out with the officers if they wanted to die. they wanted to be recognized and not be recognized by use of the masks. so that shows criminal purpose. then to go to reims, maybe they were going to just escape to there, it shows they had a plan to get away and act another day.
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or do something else. or escape to a foreign hand. so they had a plan. we don't know what it is now but the police will be sorting that out to find out what it was. >> stay with me. joining me now, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel engel. what are you hearing about these attackers? >> well, we will learn a lot more about the attackers in the coming hours and days it seems. especially after these reports from two u.s. officials, two have been captured alive. which doesn't always happen as your previous guest was saying. a lot of dedicated militants wear suicide vests, they keep hand grenades on them so they won't be taken alive. two were captured alive and another one was killed in a raid operation. at this stage we just know that at least one of the three
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suspects was a well known radical. someone who in 2008 had actually been convicted on terrorism charges at the time he was trying to funnel fighters and money to the war in iraq. there were two brothers among the suspects of north african descent. it is unclear if they were working on their own, if this cell of three was independent or if it was officially tied to a major terrorist organization. and that has been something people have been trying to figure out all day. if you look at the claims online you don't want to believe everything that comes out immediately. there have been quite a few different claims with radical groups falling all over themselves to try to take credit for this horrendous attack. >> we know one was charged with trying to support what was going
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on in iraq. is that correct? >> one of the two brothers so there were three suspects. one apparently dead. two apparently in custody. one of the two brothers was convicted and served time in prison in 2008 for trying to send fighters to iraq. and there are also reports the two brothers might have traveled to syria where they would have possibly seen combat. received combat training. we're going to learn a lot more about their specific motivations and their connections to potentially, international grooms as the authorities release information. >> on this side richard, they reportedly shouted allah akbar. what does that suggest to you?
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>> i think it is clear what the motivation was. when you look at the target, what they were shouting them weren't just shouting allah akbar which is used in normal islamic activities. but extremists tend to shout it when they're carrying out attacks as a call of bravery, to say god is great, god is greater than my enemies. >> which is not how it is always used. >> absolutely not. it was a very, very common phrase in islam. it is something i hear covering the islamic world every day. it is not a terrifying phrase. it is something you hear during call to prayer five times a day. it is absolutely main stream. but islamic groups have turned it into their battle cry. the fact they were shouting it is not unusual and doesn't reveal much. it is very typical of islamic mill tanlt grooms. they tend to shout that.
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it has been threatened and attacked in the past because it published images and satire that was offensive to mohammed. the attackers were saying they came there to avenge mohammed. so they felt that they were doing this in order to act on behalf of fellow muslims who of course never asked for them to be their guardians or their protectors. >> richard, you have such extensive experience in the muslim world. what is your feeling that needs to be done to stop and/ordeal with the home grown terrorists if this ends up being that. how do we deal with that? >> well right outer loop there's a major problem.
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france and a lot of european countries have long had histories with islamic radicals among them in their midst. right now, there is a safe haven. there is a safe haven in syria. there is a safe haven in iraq. there is an active battle underway and a place where militants can go. they can fight, they can be inspired, they can watch videos. it is not theoretical anymore. these groups have a home address. if they can fight in syria, they can fight in iraq. but now the groups in syria and iraq are telling would be supporters and recruits don't bother to go to the war zones. take your fight to the streets of your home city. i think a big problem is really the safe havens that exist. they're fueling this war that these radicals are now deciding to carry out on their home soil. >> richard engel, thank you for your time. jim cavanagh please stay with
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agent jim cavanagh and the director for the city of hate and extremism at california state university. thank you for being here this evening. >> thank you. >> jim cavanagh this was a manhunt of several hours. how do you assess the work by the french? >> i think they did a great job in getting on the terrorists quick, trying to locate them. it is different than what happened this morning. i think the police response this morning, even though there were officers present with maybe sidearms, these guys rampaged around there for more than ten minutes. and cities can't have that. you have to put a police rifle team anywhere in the metropolitan downtown pretty fast. and everybody has to assess how quickly they can do that so you can stop a rifle attack. the security at the building is another issue that can be discussed at length. as far as the investigation to
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find the guys i think very good. they were on them. they have to find out, is there another attack afoot? where is the weapons cache? any co-conspirators and so forth. >> a lot of concern back here at home. a lot of concern. a lot of questions back here at home. how do you assess is there any reason for alarm here in the united states? >> i wouldn't say alarm. i would say concern. i think evan touched on some things before. france is a little different. they have a much larger muslim population. it is not as well assimilated. here our citizens are much more mainstream than in france. france has the largest population in europe. and france has been active in north africa and there are some colonial issues as well. let me say this. david headley, an american was involved in a plot to hit the danish newspaper back in october 2009 he was arrested.
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so the fact of the matter is we do have a small sliver of extremists here and an active front, meaning syria, where folks can get training or inspiration. furthermore, one last point. in europe it is much easier and i spoke to a european police official last month. for folks to cross borders. i'm not saying this happened here. the fact is we had someone who was engaged in terrorism and then went out to commit terrorism again. that's scary. we have a lot of soft targets and this will cause a lot of people here in law enforcement and policy to take a breather and say what can we do better? >> what are your questions given your expertise in studying hate groups and things of this nature. what are the questions that are in your mine only the? >> the biggest achilles' heel i think we have are people who have some degree of minimal competency. and i think that's what we've seen here. while these guys are not the
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super stars that they were made to be at first. they left their i.d. cards in the abandoned car. there is a difference between them. and those in the middle that we see maybe some training and some instruction, but they're not coordinated and directed by an organized terror group. that's what i want to see. what is the connection to foreign fighters or foreign terrorist grooms? we had an attack by al qaeda in yemen as well that killed a couple of dozen people. so i want to know what connections they had. our biggest akilchilles' heel are those with some degree of xenls competency but may not be in direct communication with groups in real-time. that's where we're at risk. those people who fall between cracks but have a degree of xenlsy. >> many questions and we'll be following this to get the answers.
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i'm sure over the next few days. thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> when we come back the vigils and tributes for the victims from all over the globe. ♪ [upbeat music] ♪ defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep. why do i cook? because i make the best chicken noodle soup. because i make the best chicken noodle soup. because i make the best chicken noodle soup. for every way you make chicken noodle soup, make it delicious with swanson®.
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legal help is here. . there's an outpouring across europe and the world but it was this image that really hit closest to home for me. it shows a plane with two pencils representing the twin towers. this was their 9/11. i remember 9/11. in new york it brought us all together different races, different religions. you gain by getting beyond your painful by reaching out, touching and standing up saying, no matter what you do we are not afraid. i saw that in paris today. thanks for watching.
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i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. islamists, they hate it all. good evening. i'm chris matthews in los angeles. we begin with news out of france. nbc news can report now that one of the gunmen in today's terror attack on a satiric magazine was killed and the other two have been arrested. today's attack was the deadliest in france in decades.
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