all for now. "the ed show" continues our coverage coming up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ >> this dragnet continues. there a very active man hunt going on. >> people wonder if these people will attack again. >> americans wonder could an attack like this happen here? >> the attack on the principles of the civil society. >> we just take it for granted that it's our right to poke fun at the untouchable or the sacred. >> the conversation among those let's call it team civilization. >> every american stands with you. ♪ ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with the latest on the massive man hunt in france. at this hour the two suspects

from wednesday's shooting spree in paris are still on the loose. they rare cherif and said kouachi. police say the suspects are armed and dangerous. cherif kouachi was convicted on a terrorism charge in 2008 and sentenced to over a year in prison. he was part of a cell enlisting french nationals to go fight americans in iraq. a third suspect surrendered late wednesday at a police station near the french-belgian border. he is reportedly cooperating with the authorities. the parents of the brothers were questioned on wednesday. a total of nine people have been detained over the course of the investigation. two masked attackers with machine guns robbed a gas station northeast of paris today. witnesses say the robbers matched the description of the two remaining terror suspects. they stole food and gasoline. new video today showed anti-terror police marching into

the town of le point near the gas station. it is roughly an hour and a half drive northeast of paris. police are also reportedly searching a 51 square-mile forest near the town. nbc's steve handleselsman has the latest on the reaction here in the united states. >> reporter: the terrorist soldier-like precision is alarming experts in the u.s. they theorize the cherif and the other were trained at home by isis or al qaeda. >> and so this is kind of the high-end of the new genre of attacks i'm afraid that we'll see for some time now. >> reporter: maybe some lawmakers fear in america. >> we have a situation where citizens of the european union can come more freely to the u.s. and unless that's tightened up, that's a danger back here at home. in philadelphia pulitzer prize-winning cartoonist sydney wilkinson said she will not stop

drawing prophets. >> don't do stupid things in the name of your prophet. >> security was tighter at french government offices. as the eiffel tower lights went off and back on to honor the dead and defy the extremists. >> the justice department asked today that attorney general eric holder will travel to paris on sunday. holder will attend an international meeting where he will discuss terrorist threats, foreign fighters and countering extremism. this is a rapidly developing story in france. the search is still on for those perpetrators who will bring you any of the details and updates as we get them. for more let me bring in nbc news correspondent ron allen in paris tonight. ron, good to have you with us. what's the latest from french authorities? they have apprehended nine people in this investigation, what do you make of that? >> they're rounding up a lot of people.

the parents of the two suspects have been questioned and that happened yesterday and they're on a trail and as you pointed out in the lead there is a lot of territory to cover and potential places where these two alleged perpetrators could be. since nightfall the last number of hours or so we've had much less information coming from the north of paris where this extensive man hunt has been going on now for some time. so we're not really hearing a lot and of course that's for obvious reasons and they're not trying to tip their hands about what they know and don't know of course. it's been a day of very fast-moving events and a lot of uncertainty, i think, is fair to say. a lot of anxiety, as well and a lot of concern about where this all is going. this morning the country woke up to word that a policewoman had been killed in another attack. so there are three suspects who are on the run who police are looking for and they've also said that those two incidents, the attack at the magazine and the attack that killed the

policewoman this morning apparently are not related. what the motivations of that person was are unclear at this hour. so not a lot that we know that's very hard about how close they are and things have gotten much more difficult for authorities after dark. so they're going through these neighborhoods, house by house, heavily armed s.w.a.t. units and these two men are believed to be armed and very dangerous. they're also very well known to french authorities and that's perhaps not a surprise because this country unlike the united states has a much more -- has a much more serious problem with young men going off to fight the wars in syria and iraq in reesence years than we have in the united states. so there is a community of these individuals. there are as many as a thousand or more here and they've been trying to keep track of them. they've been trying to keep

track of these brothers and one of them as far back as 2005 and they can't do it. it takes several officers to maintain 24/7 surveillance on the suspects and right now they're, of course trying to do that, they said with several hundred individuals who are perhaps the most suspicious and the most likely to perhaps act out in a similar way, perhaps. so a lot of uncertainty here. tomorrow security will be stepped up even further. they're talking about some 88,000 security personnel in and around paris, at sensitive sites and the military is involved in this and you mentioned eric holder is coming here over the weekend and the borders are sealed because, of course that's a concern. the 18-year-old, the possible driver of the car, it is unclear whether he was or was not involved. he's put forth an alibi that said he was in school and some people have apparently spoken up for him and that happened up near the border with belgium which is quite a distance from here. there is a lot they're trying to

cover and keep track of. at this point it is unclear if they're making progress or not. ron allen reporting from paris. thanks so much for that report. appreciate it. let me bring in michael o'hanlon senior policy fellow for the brookings institute and heather holbrooke, project director for a new america. based on that report folks, what we have just heard, 88,000 security people are going to be displaced across the country of france. michael, are they expecting another attack and the fact that they've got nine people who have been detained in the investigation and that certainly suggests there is some kind of network out there working with these suspects. what about that? >> first of all, they have to assume there might be another attack. no one knows. no one knows what is in the psychologies of these numbers and if we think back to our own boston bombers, they were intending to go to new york and

wreak more havoc there after the tragic attack two years ago and there is no reason to rule it out. i would have to rule it out that there is a better part of caution that there would be another attack and france is doing what it's doing. it has to. as to the size of the network, it does appear that various kinds of linkages to syria and iraq and cells that have been affiliated with syria and iraq are part of what is motivating and part of what is informing the actions of these brothers and i have no idea how many are involved. sometimes they're relatively small and sometimes they're bigger but the number nine you just mentioned and not surprising in terms of what might be the network here and it's probably as your correspondent just said one element in a broader population of jihadists in france that's in the many hundreds if not the thousands, but french police cannot watch them all of the

time. >> this is a new genre for terrorism and what precautions and what procedures might change for us? >> i think the first thing to think about, ed is what's going on right now and the reason you have the 88,000 security force in france is not even so much that there may be another attack plan side that these guys are still on the loose and seem very willing to kill anyone they come up against. so for americans to imagine a little bit of what people in france are going through, there are guards stationed at every entrance and exit around the paris beltway in case they try assuming these are the right two people and they try to come back into paris. as a resident of washington i've been imagining what if the whole beltway was shut down and in some way, as michael said no this isn't a new genre of attack and it is much more

professionally done which is worrisome. as we saw in boston it is a small number of people supported or not and i have no idea by a portion of the country, supported or not by some field. they claimed they yelled something about being connected to al qaeda in yemen, but we have as yet no way of identifying that. one of the brothers has in the past been linked to fighters against u.s. forces and french forces in iraq but very early days on that too. the lethality is new and the connection s connections the apparent level of professionalization is new and that's a worry, but france in particular as your correspondent said has faced this kind of problem for years and the challenge that we have as americans would be okay there are several things that are importantly different about the u.s. that have made these

kinds of attacks, harder less likely and less lethal when they happen but that doesn't mean that groups like isis and al qaeda and prop gandists affiliated with them aren't eager to make those attacks happen and make us frightened into thinking they will happen. >> michael, how much more can we tighten the grip on society to prevent things like this? there is a great deal of pervasiveness going on right now that a lot of people object to but now when some will like this comes up when you start talking about the militarization of police you start to view it in a different light. your thoughts. >> as i was listening to heather's very wise comments i was thinking yes, these attacks are professional and they reminded me of many of the massacres we've had in the united states in the last few years that have typically had about the same number of fatalities and sometimes more. virginia tech had more. newtown had more. these are sort of like the

colorado tragedies that we've seen in term of the number of fatalities. when you have an ak-47 in your hands it doesn't take a whole lot of planning and expertise to kill a whole lot of people and that has a sobering message which seems that the abundance with this weaponry including our own there's a potential for a deranged and brutal individual to do this on their own or with very limited preparation and support as heather was underscoring. i don't think, however that we're likely to see, we have enough tragedy in the united states and we have enough of our own homegrown mass shootings and it's hard for jihadists who have been in syria or iraq or wherever to get into the united states. it's not impossible, but it's hard and so i still think that americans. we have enough problem as it is and i don't think people should view this as an order of magnitude more severe than what the gun violence we have in the united states. it's probably less.

>> i would venture to say americans are more on edge now than they were last week that if yoi have a former bush administration official who worked in security and intelligence say that this is a new genre of a terror attack, people are going to start wondering, well what the heck does that mean for us? is this what we'll start seeing? are these networks happening? let's go back to the fact that there was a robbery outside of france and if it was done by the suspects, doesn't that lend us some type of indication that if they're stealing gas and food that they might not be as organized and supported as we might think? that is somewhat of a move of desperation. health heather, your thoughts? >> on the morning of the actual attack they didn't know what building they were going to and although they seemed to know that charlie hebdo was having a staff meeting and who would be there they went to the wrong building first and had to take someone at gunpoint to take them to the right place. so, yeah it's important as michael said not to kind of

overstate how prepared these guys are, how terrifying they are and, you know ed back to your point of what we can do here it's worth remembering that france has a somewhat more policed society than the u.s. does already. so if france is deploying some tactics that americans aren't used to having used on our citizens and they knew about these guys and they were aren't able to keep track of them and that should give americans a certain level of skepticism that more police or more security powers are going to be the answer, and i do think whether it's mike hayden and whoever else, you're hearing people push solutions that they were pushing last week before this happened. >> michael o'hanlon and heather holbrooke, i appreciate your time and for your insight and expertise. >> coming up, we'll have more on the world reaction to the attacks in paris. plus republicans are wasting an absurd amount of time on

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from madrid spain, to new york city's union square. people are gathering to show unity with france and the magazine charlie hebdo. pope francis offered prayers, millions of cartoonists and comedians around the world have been drawing support. this incident has opened up a conversation about the plan to censor this kind kind of satirical content that charlie hebdo was known for. >> stark reminder that for the most part the legislators and journalists and institutions that we jab and ridicule are not in any way the enemy. >> in this country we just take it for granted that it's our right to poke fun at the untouchable or the sacred. that's a right some people are inexplicably forced to die for. >> world leaders are unifying to address terrorist threatsen countering violent extremism in the wake of these attacks and that's what security forces are doing, but in journalism what

is the response? also with us tonight, michael didoro who is also the policy director at the center for inquiry. gentlemen, we seem to have a conversation that has broken out across the globe. what is decent? what's free speech? how far can we go? >> dean, if i can ask you first, what are the boundaries? are new boundaries going to be drawn here? i have some thoughts on this i want yours. >> i hope not. i hope people will push the envelope with their writing and i've written articles mocking isis and people will feel a sense of risk and it's normal and understandable. by giving in you've allowed these terrorists to win on some level and it's much too important to ever allow that to happen. >> those who want censorship and those who are of the opinion that while these guy his a reason and they were motivated by cartoons and that stuff. i just feel like why are we

giving murderers, crazy people and that's exactly what they are with the deranged value system. it's almost like some in this world are giving them an alibi for doing what they did. no one condones any kind of horrific attacks and murder and execution and what it is. so why would we even go down the road of even saying well gosh we have to watch what we put out there. in a free society we should be able to say and do whatever we want and the free market will take care of it as far as commerce and also decency. judgment by the people. what about that? >> i couldn't agree with you more and i'm a muslim. just so it's clear, there is nothing in the koran that says you cannot depict the prophet mohammed and there are some things about not depicting any prophet including jesus christ who is a prophet to muslims and there are no penalties in there. these men clearly had a political agenda and had mental issues and we'll find out. it's probably a political agenda and they used the cover of islam

to a are effectuate their plan and get support for al qaeda and isis and we'll find out in time. >> michael, could there be more of an aggressive attitude by journalists around the world opinion this could not maybe hinter anybody's ability or heart and desire to do whatever the heck they want to do. what about that? >> sure thing. thanks for having me ed i do think there could be a more aggressive response and i think it was troubling to see the associated press start to censor their images and i was troubled to see the new york times write an article saying the answer to this, the answer to what you were talking about is the heckler's veto is to do more of this to publish more of these kinds of cartoons and to criticize religion and other ideas to be under cover and the more we do it the more it is an accepted norm not just in

america, but around the world. >> your organization's free inquiry was the first in the united states to public the gainish cartoons of mohammed back in 2005. what is your reaction to the news outlets not showing the charlie hebdo image and in their word for security reasons and for concerns of employees? >> again, i think it's a disappointing response from some quarters of the world of journalism to not re-publish some of these cartoons. now in their defense, some of the cartoons were a bit untasteful, you might say, but the point of free speech is to support the right of free speech of people to say just about anything and i say just about anything because there are some areas that are areas that we're not supposed to go into you know for example,en citement to mediate hatred or violence and that's different, though than cartoons and writing articles in newspapers.

so i thought it was disappointing that at least some of the newspapers at least in a show of solidarity here that they wouldn't republish some of those cartoons and hopefully they will reconsider those positions as we move forward because this is a conversation that's going to be ongoing and there will be a lot more people chiming in and hopefully these newspapers and other outlets will feel the pressure. >> dean you don't view this as a benchmark moment in the industry of free press? >> i don't at all. i don't. the only censorship you'll see is from corporations who have a sense of responsibility for their own employee. i heard another network who said we don't want po expose our employees as a journalist and muslim-american, i wish every publication understand print these cartoons. freed am om of expression is too important in our nation and to give in the least bit on an issue like this would be a victory for people who have no right to have any victory in this situation whatsoever. >> and what kind of message does it send to your employees if

you're cowing over to these demands of radicalists? i mean what kind of company are you operating if you make it pretty clear that you're going to operate your company according to what you know what radicalists believe. i don't think that protects the employees in any way, either. >> senator graham brought up the issue of to reevaluate our own national security posture. we all know that the media in this country plays a great deal a great role i think, in that because how far can government go into our privacy. dean, your thoughts on that? this is, as some have said what our government has been doing doesn't seem too bad right now. they can be as invasive as possible. >> what senator graham wants i'm not sure. it sounds like red meat for the base to be quite honest for you. we'll see if there's any detailed proposal by him, but what more could you want? they're going to try to take more civil liberties away?

will you try to have more government sanctions looking into our emails and degree what we're doing and that we're given collectively because we have an isolated lone wolf threat and let's keep this in mind and something happened in france and there are millions of other muslims living in the country that have nothing to do with this and it's not like they're waiting there to attack the people in france and some of the language that you hear from people on the right is that we must hear from all muslims and there is a threat in this nation and that's wrong. >> great to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> coming up it's january 8th and mitch mcconnell may have given us believe it or not, the lie of the year. rapid response panel digs into this one next and we'll have an update on the naacp attack in colorado, but next your questions. ask ed live coming up on the ed show on msnbc. we're right back. re, at the purchase. but there's a new card in town. introducing the citi® double cash

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good to have you back with us tonight. thanks for watching. ever wonder where your tax dollars really go? here we are, we're three days into the congress the new congress and republicans are already showing their absurdity and wasting time. the senate energy committee pushed forward a keystone excel project that president obama has said he's going to veto to it. so why waste time on it. keystone would take dirty sand oil from the middle of the country to the gulf coast refineries. republicans are still beating the drum of dirty oil. >> it's one project, but it's part of are we going to build the infrastructure we need to truly have north american energy

security. >> keystone is about jobs. >> it's about jobs. it's about security. okay. no it's not. mitch mcconnell continued the absurdity with the most inaccurate analysis of the economy we've heard yet. >> after so many years of sluggish growth we're finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope. the uptick -- the uptick appear tosco inside with the biggest political change of the obama administration administration's long tenure in washington. the expectation of a new republican congress. >> you bet. 10 million jobs added and 58 months of private sector job growth, we're starting to see an uptick and it's a really good thing the republicans got the house and the senate or that would have never happened. mitch mcconnell is making the case that's what the turnaround was? are you kidding? keep in mind none of them wanted to help the automobile industry. in detroit the the president gave the real history of the

nation's rebound. >> the year before i took office 400,000 jobs vanished in this industry. 400,000. sales plunged 40%. we could have done nothing which should people said we should do and let those companies fail but think about what that would have meant for this country. over the past five years this industry created 500,000 new jobs. last year american autoworkers churned out cars faster than any year since 2005. >> and the loan has been paid back completely. in fact the treasury made money on it. so as mitch mcconnell says we're starting to see a little uptick here in the economy. when you want more absurdity, i've got it for you. on their very first day in congress the republican majority raced to gut social security. republicans passed a rule which cripples the reallocation of social security payroll tax revenue, the gop is setting the

groundwork for a showdown over benefits and our senator who is on the show quite a bit, bernie sanders has warned us about that. well he wasn't off the mark. they did it on day one. that's their target. joining me tonight in the rapid response panel, jane club executive director of bold nebraska and bob trump, democratic strategist and warsaw professor of politics at usc. great to have both of you with us. jane let's talk about the pipeline first. you were in the hearing today. what did you hear and what were the republicans saying and how determined are they to get keystone after the president said i'm going to veto it? >> yeah. they are hell-bent on writing a law for a foreign corporation for one single project. that's exactly what they're doing. so they're essentially telling any foreign corporation out there, if you give us enough money and you give usation donations, bring it on. we'll write a bill for you, no problem. we heard from michigan talking about the devastating effects of

the tar sands spill which she saw first hand and how it hurt families and we saw outdated things from senator manchin. we are confident we have the numbers to do so. >> so the first hearing on keystone there is a lot of them that haven't learned anything. they're still spewing out the misinformation in your opinion? >> absolutely. they are still saying the incorrect numbers on jobs. they still don't understand that this is an export pipeline and what baffles me the most out of all of the rhetoric they gave today, not one of them mentioned imminent domain for public gain and that's a republican conservative value that you don't use imminent domain for public gabe andin and that's what they're doing. >> it's good to know there is uptick going on out there, isn't it? what is mitch mcconnell doing? >> look what he said was laughable, it's like herbert

hoover taking credit for the new deal or strom thurmond taking credit for the civil rights bill. as paul klugman, they said did everything they could to slow it. now, ed the recovery seems real and that presents a problem for them in 2016 because as people see the economy getting better president obama's numbers will rise and dechlmocrats' numbers will will rise. they'll take credit for the clinton recovery and voters just didn't buy it. the real danger here is that republicans will damage the economy over the next several months, over the next year and a half by either shutting down the government playing politics with the debt ceiling and trying to force the president to improve keystone and roll back his immigration reform and now while they may want a bad recovery that's dangerous for them because they can't be seen to do that and while they want to satisfy their base on immigration, that's dangerous,

too because if they alienate hispanics, the president is out of reach. >> i think mitch mcconnell thinks the american people will believe anything so long as someone in the halls of congress says it but he also knows if he doesn't get that on the record and that bullet point out there and get it planted with people that if the economy does go south it will be connected to the republicans, because number one, i don't think they'll come forward with the jobs bill and number two, when they have the legislative power of the senate and the house, if it does go south they will be breaking the sweep that the obama administration has had of job growth. the numbers will come out tomorrow and it will be north of 200,000. jane, i want to ask you, a jobs package is what the president wants. the democrats want it. is keystone going to be a bargaining chip to get a big jobs package so both sides can say, hey, we worked together? >> no. there's no way. the president is not going to do that. he has sent no signal that he's

willing to use our families a a bargaining chip. he will look farmers and ranchers when he rejects that pipeline and we feel confident about that. in the reality the grand old party and it is an old party of old ideas, they need to start getting new things in place or they're going to lose the 2016 election. >> bob, the president was in detroit yesterday and he's doing a three-stop tour before the state of the union address and he talked about the automobile recovery, an industry that clearly the republicans washed their hands of. it's a fabulous story about what government can do. can the democrats still hang on to that going into 2016 or is that an old story from 2012? >> oh no. i think democrats can hang on to that and if the economy continues to do well democrats will be in a strong position. i also believe that if republicans do something that will crash the economy or hurt the economy like playing

politics with the debt ceiling that they'll be in trouble and you're absolutely right. they'll get the blame. >> look the irony on the keystone pipeline is that by playing politics with it i think republicans have made it less likely that it will be approved because as we debated it more and more and more we discovered, for example, that the job claim, the new jobs that will come along are diminimus. so i think they've put themselves in a more difficult position in order to satisfy the special interests to whom they answer. so right now, i think even though they control the congress they seem to have an agenda and go after social security and take health care away from the million working americans and force the keystone pipeline down the president's throat which is not going to happen. they have an agenda that will not build the case for a republican victory in 2016. >> the absurdity continues between the automobile industry the economy and social security. jane you worked obama for america. where is this president going to

compromise with republicans? what is he going to move on? is it the corporate tax rate? is it changing cpi and social security? where is it? >> i think it will be on immigration. i think republicans know long term they need latino voters to side with them and a lot of latino families are conservative and come from catholic backgrounds with the abortion issue and i see that where they will come together. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, an out of this world discovery, and i mean it. i just find this fascinating. could a newly discovered planet be the new earth? we have an expert. you won't want to miss it. stay with us.

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welcome back. finally tonight, there are new signs from space that we may not be alone. astronomers have at the har verdict smithsonian center for astro physics identified eight planets they believe have similar characteristics to earth. here's more on the discovery. >> we used to look up in the sky and wonder at our place in the stars. >> the new planets discovered by the kepler telescope reside in the so-called goldilocks zone of the stars they orbit. >> not too hot, not too cold. just right for life. >> this means it's possible for water to exist on the planet surface. >> if you can find water on the surface, we think we may find life there. >> kepler 438 b is 470 light

years away. >> what's interesting about this planet, the distance from the sun, but also its size. >> it's about 12% larger than earth and most likely has a rocky terrain. >> as powerful as the kepler spacecraft is the planets are so far away there's no way to see if they have water or life. >> astronomers cannot determine whether the planet has an atmosphere. >> we don't have the technology currently to sample those planet's atmospheres. kepler 438-b is one of the planets described as being as close to earth analogs as we're going to find in the kepler data. >> eventually we hope to find true earth analogs so can gauge the perspective of how unusual our own planetary system is. >> since its launch in 2009 the kepler telescope has discovered over 1,000 planets. >> is there intelligent life in

the universe? >> joining me tonight, a professor of physics at the university of new york and author of the future of the mind. it's mind-boggling to me that we know what might be 470 light years away from our planet. what do you make of all of this? >> well the holy grail of planetary science is to find an earth-like planet in outer space, so when you look at the night sky, you will wonder is anyone looking back at us? and this new planet is a game-changer, because it has the right size it has the right distance from the mother star and if it had a liquid ocean, then bingo it would be an earth-like twin. which would give us a shock looking at the night sky, realizing that there are twins of the earth out there. >> what do you think is on the surface? give us an idea what you believe is on that surface from this research. >> unlike jupiter, we think it

has a solid rocky surface. we think the temperatures there could be slightly higher than room temperature, but we think it's at the right distance from the sun to have an ocean. if it's too close, the water will boil. if it's too far, water will freeze. it's just in the right zone to have liquid water, and liquid water is the universal solvent, the amneeotic fluid that gave birth too life. >> how much more can we learn from kepler on this? >> well kepler is not sensitive enough to analyze the atmospheres of these planets. however, it's given us a census of the milky way galaxy. our galaxy has over a hundred billion stars. we think about a billion of them have earth-like planets going around them. >> so how did we find this? how in this plethora of stars in the solar system did we find that one that could be like earth? >> well stars are very easy to see, but they get eclipsed by

the planet which moves in front of the mother star. so our telescopes are so sensitive, we can see the slight dimming of star light as the planet goes across the face of the sun, and that's how we do it. we found about a thousand planets so far. we think that 50% of all stars have planets going around them. and perhaps one, maybe 5% of all stars have earth-like planets going around them. >> would you go so far as to come to the conclusion that there was life on this planet and there was extinction? >> well that's a possibility. some people ask the question how come they don't land on the white house lawn, right? and announce their existence? first of all we have to establish, is there intelligent life on the earth? the answer to that is probably no. just look at the congress. but is there intelligent life in the universe -- >> i suppose studying this stuff all the time you have to have a

sense of humor or it might get a little boring. not to me i enjoy it. what brings you to the conclusion that there might have been life there? >> if there's a liquid ocean, that's where dna got off the ground deep in the ocean near a volcano vent. that's where we think life on the earth got started. we think there could be this universal solvent, liquid water, in outer space. >> does this information redirect our space efforts? >> it does in the sense that we have a project which eavesdrops on signals from intelligent beings in outer space -- >> we're good at that now. >> no evidence of any intelligent life at all. so this will help to redirect the project while focus in on those star systems where we think there could be life. we're going to have an existential shock every night looking at the night sky, realizing there, there, there,

there could be twins of the earth right there in the familiar constellations. >> you've done this your whole life. how fascinating is this to you? >> this is our universe. this is our home and we're so myopic. we keep our heads to the floor, looking at the ground. we don't look up. and we see this incredible universe of ours. how many of us have looked at the milky way galaxy and stared at a hundred billion stars at night? >> hey, i get excited about the northern lights up north. i'm still trying to figure out how that works. it's absolutely amazing and it's beautiful. professor, i appreciate your time. thanks for coming in. i want to talk more about this. so come back and join us again. and how long would it take us with conventional satellite -- or should i say space equipment that the country's been using, for us to get to this planet 438-b. >> a saturn rocket would take over a million years.

we need a new rocket system. matter anti-matter rockets. >> thank you, i don't think we'll make it in our lifetime. that's therks ed show. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news on the manhunt for two suspects in the paris terror attacks. french s.w.a.t. teams are going house to house in a town about 90 miles northeast of paris. helicopters are flying overhead trying to locate the suspects. over 24 hours after an attack on a magazine in paris left 12 people dead a