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is told top donors he's thinking of running for president again in 2016. if we weren't leading with that we would probably be leading with the news that federal prosecutors are now recommending felony charges for david petraeus retired four star generally and former cia director for leaking top secret classified information to his mistress. there's word chris crist yoohristie was questioned recently by federal prosecutors who may be preparing indictments. we'll get to all of those stories plus a lot more soon enough in the show. but there's only one place to begin this show today and that place is paris, where it's now the day after, the day after a 72-hour terror siege on the city and its suburbs ended in violence. 17 people have been killed 12 in wednesday's attack on the weekly magazine charlie hebdo, four hostages yesterday in an
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attack on a kosher supermarket. the nature of these attacks, small, coordinated and soft targets. that nature means that we in the western world are entering potentially unchartered territory in the fight against terrorism. also the manhunt isn't over yet. french police are looking right now for this woman, they describe her as armed and dangerous and partner of the supermarket suspect seen on right of that wanted poster. french officials say she was involved in the killing of a policewoman in paris on thursday. it is not yet clear whether she took part in the standoff at the supermarket. an al qaeda group in yemen is saying it is behind the newspaper attack. one of the two brothers traveled to yemen in 2011 and received training with that al qaeda group. the other brother spent time in prison with the one behind the supermarket attack. law enforcement moved in on the two brothers in the northern
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suburb of the city. what followed were long tense hostage situations in both locations. after the brothers said they were ready to die as martyrs, police decided to move in on both locations almost simultaneously. this is what it looked like when police moved in on the market. the video can be difficult to watch. you see police moving in spraying the inside of the supermarket with gunfire and you see a person running straight into that hail of gunfire, freezing the video there, with the suspect running into the gunfire. you can see police storming into the supermarket as people being held hostage run out. you see police begin to attend to the wounded. four people were killed as we said during that standoff. french authorities say they were killed by the suspect. no one was killed during the gun battle except the suspect himself. no hostages were killed in the other standoff that cornered the magazine attack suspects. for more on how these events
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unfolded in paris and who investigators are looking for and where everything goes for from here bill neely, if you can update us on the latest and this woman still at large. a lot of questions about what kind of role she might have had here but the latest on her as well. >> reporter: yes, good morning, steve, from a city on edge. people just absorbing the detail of what happened yesterday. as you saw that incredible video, one thing they are reading is that coulibaly was hit by at least 60 bullets. he told the hostages that he had taken, i want to die, i'm not afraid to die. i would rather die than spend 40 years in prison. die he did. the sieges are over. the crisis france faces is not the gunmen may be dead but their
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accomplice is not, still on the run. hayat boumediene described by police as armed and dangerous, 26 years old of north african origin. her family originally from there. she was an object of interest for anti-terror police for a very long time. the paris prosecutor revealed yesterday that he this intercepted 500 phone calls made by her between her and the wife of one of the kouachi brothers. they've been looking at her and this group for a long time. call them a cell if you want but they clearly of course let the cell slip through their fingers the french prime minister admitted yesterday it was an intelligence failure. the key thing is to find this woman. nbc spoke to the man who used to be the chief counter terrorism judge here the man who put in jail one of the kouachi brothers
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and he told us this woman is very dangerous because she is now the widow of what they call a martyr. in their culture and jihadi way of thinking she will want to match what he did and will want to join him. in other words he's saying she's not only armed and dangerous, but she would be ready to kill. therefore she must be arrested immediately. but of course, it's a huge challenge for the prench police and french intelligence to find her. we don't know where she was yesterday, if she was in the supermarket. she's melted into the ether, these are some challenges facing france's police where nerves are jiangling. >> the priority on finding her whereabouts and bringing her into custody and making sure she doesn't do anything else. is there a sense in talking to
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authorities and intelligence officials over there, do you have a sense from them if they think this operation now is limited to just her or is it potentially more expansive than that? are there other people potentially we don't know about? >> reporter: no very much not just her. these are some of the questions, did this group of four if you like, act alone or is there a bigger cell? you know one or two of them say they were directed to do this by al qaeda in yemen. clearly there are links beyond the four people three of whom are now dead. this is not a closed case and indeed people are worried about what happens next. that's what they are braced for because the horrific events of the last 72 hours and which as you say 17 innocent people are dead plus the three gunmen. this is the latest in a string of event. there were three lone wolf attacks if you like just before christmas. paris has braced -- and i have to tell you london is braced and
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german authorities are braced. if it was an attack in either of those countries it would be a shock but in a sense wouldn't be a surprise. this is not just a french thing, this is a european crisis. of course it has links to the united states. so many people drawing comparisons between what happened here with these two brothers with what happened after the boston marathon massacre and brothers. >> to recap for you, here is what we know the woman is still at large, the partner of the suspect in the supermarket attack. also an al qaeda group said it planned wednesday's attack on the satirical magazine. french officials are meeting this morning to discuss security issues. president obama addressed the unfolding situation yesterday afternoon in an event in knoxville, tennessee. >> the french government
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continues to face the threat of terrorism and has to remain vigilant. the situation is fluid. president hollande has made it clear they will do whatever necessary to protect their people. i think it's important for us to understand france is our oldest ally i want the people of france to know that the united states stands with you today and stands with you tomorrow -- >> what obama officials are still reluctant to say that similar attacks won't happen here in the united states. sources say they believe it is less likely to happen here. the u.s. muslim population is less radicalized than in france. small coordinated attacks or lone wolves acting along or copy cat incidences are not the case here. large conspiracies are much easier to uncover than small ones. in many ways what happened in france is the nightmare scenario for the united states. joining me now to talk about this, we have don barelli,
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special agent in charge of the joint task force and national security analyst. and in london the chair of contemporary middle eastern studies at the london school of economics and political science. let me start with the question of the hour has to do with finding this woman. we heard the report from paris armed, dangerous, potentially desperate. somebody who has been on the margins of society. how does law enforcement and counterterrorism pursue this? >> it's going to be through multiple angles, number one. you've got to have a human intelligence network built. there's no doubt that the french have that. they'll check with their human intelligence sources to figure out who might be sheltering this person helping her escape. you have other sources of information, you've got the 500 phone calls. you'll try to piece those together to see who's in her network who might be helping her. search warrants were conducted
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at all of the residence. they were trying to get false travel documents, that's another lead. there's going to be a lot of things going on simultaneously but this is a huge priority in addition to figuring out besides her who else is out there. my personal feeling is it does not end with these four people, that this cell or cells is a more complex network than we know right now. >> let me ask you too. everybody has the basic reaction as we heard in that report these are people who french authorities had been aware of for like a decade. and here there are 500 phone calls they apparently tracked. when you find out they basically were able to slip through the cracks to pull this off this week should that affect our confidence in the french authorities in trying to deal with this right now? >> i think it's way too early to just kind of look and start pointing fingers. the priority now for the french is to get their intelligence gathered and try to figure out what is the extent of this cell. there will be plenty of time to look back and say what mistakes were made.
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no doubt there probably were mistakes made and they will be fixed, much like we did with the 9/11 commission we found we made mistakes and took measures and fixed them. the system is not perfect. when you live in a free society, this is sometimes the price you pay that you just -- you're not following people 24/7 not listening to every phone call and not reading every e-mail. we don't know right now what mistakes were made but no doubt they'll figure it out and fix it for the future. >> we mentioned this in the intro, i was just giving there a minute ago and this is something people may have heard in the press here this week a lot, that the situation for the sort of muslims in france and maybe in europe in general but particularly in france is different than it is in the united states. less integrated and more on the margins of society. can you give us a sense of what life is like for the muslim community in france and what the conditions might be that would be conducive to this type of
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radicalization? >> steve, i think the question is not about the muslim community or communities. the question is there are a few thousand young muslim men, european men, you're talking french british, german belgium, who basically have bought into this ideology, susceptible to recruitment by militant groups of al qaeda variety. this advantage they are on the fringe, don't have a solid foundation, not integrated. they are susceptible to charismatic creatures, like -- sentenced to life in prison yesterday in the united states and anwar al awlaki the yemen i american cleric killed by the american drone fighters. this is the question it's not just about france. i teach in france i teach in
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london. i can tell you that the security establishment in britain is extremely anxious. yesterday the head of the security services said it's a matter of time. germans as well. you have almost 2,500, 3,000 young men who traveled to iraq and syria. you have self-radicalization and radicalization as a result of some man who have basically been sucked into raging conflicts in the middle east. this is point one. point two, what we need to understand when we talk steve, about the muslim community, what these militants of al qaeda variety, they are trying to hijack islamic values. trying to basically silence the sigh excellent majority. they don't give a damn what demands the mainstream. they are revolting against their parents and mothers and secondly about france in particular france -- the reason why france is in the eye of the storm as
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you well know france has been pursuing very assertive policy towards militants of al qaeda variety. in west africa and central north africa and libya and iraq and syria. now france is seen by militants, whether it's al qaeda in yemen or isis islamic state, is actually the spearhead of the fight against these militants. in fact france now is at the same level of the united states. this particular sense, you have goals by militants, whether in yemen or iraq or other places. they are calling on followers, whoever listens, go and carry out attacks and finally on france, you have in the eyes of the ultraconservative, france is waging a cultural warfare in the sense that the state itself -- the ideology of the state is a secular state. in this particular sense, many elements have converged and
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brought about this particular escalation of attacks in france. >> and we mentioned at the top, this is the nightmare scenario. it's obviously as fawaz is saying, in europe and in the united states that something like this could happen here. somebody from the united states who radicalizes in the united states and finds a way to get out of the country for a year or two. how worried are you about something like this happening here? >> it's a concern. but i've been involved in many of those investigations. i know we have have good police and intelligence networks in place, we've been able to thwart attacks like this where people had gone abroad and received training and came back to try to do an operation. they were thwarted. does that mean we'll be successful 100% of the time? no -- >> are there more -- what i'm reading in europe is more and more are going over to syria or iraq. are we seeing that -- >> in terms of sheer numbers,
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europe has much more to worry about than we do in the states. the numbers can get vague, but give or take 100 people from the states compared to thousands from europe that have gone over to fight and receive training. in terms of numbers we're in better shape. however, it only takes one or two and we know that there's -- it's very easy to get weapons in this country. people that -- you can get the training. it's just -- trying to have that crystal ball and figure out when is this person that's on the fringe that might be under the radar of police when is the day that that person will wake up and say this is my day to be a martyr? it's very difficult. >> you put it that way, it's scary to think about it that way. obviously much more on this throughout the show but for now don borelli and fawaz gerges. we'll have plenty more about paris as we continue on this saturday. coming up also to the world of
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politics and how the clinton era appears to be alive and well in job growth and cia facing felony charges for sharing state secrets with his mistress. we want to focus on some of the victims of the charlie hebdo shooting including the editor stephane charbonnier. he appeared on al qaeda's target list and once said i would rather die standing than live on my knees. he was never married and never had children. his long time girlfriend said it's because he knew he was going to die. charb might have had a sense the attack was imminent. it shows a man dressed in a style of islamic extremist and title reads, still no attacks in france? he still has until the end of january to come up with new year's wishes. stephane charbonnier was 47
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we're back juggling the aftermath, what we hope is the aftermath of a three day series of attacks in paris and lots of important political news we want to get to as well. we have our panel, victoria defran chesko solo and will cain, a contributor at the national review and joan walsh, the editor at large. plenty more to come in the show today on paris and obviously everybody's attention is primarily there right now. it's just one of the situations we're talking in the last block about this. the two things that are jumping out to most people i talk to the idea that these guys were under surveillance for ten years and how can they be under this
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level of scrutiny and pull something like this off? and everybody's fear could something like this happen in the united states? are we more protected maybe from this than they are in europe or is this a look at our worst case future? >> i think it's very different in this country. i do think we have a much more asimulated muslim community. if you look back to the days of george w. bush where there was a effort by republicans -- business owners integrated into their communities not radical, in france you have a class issue. these guys were not particularly relinlous to begin with but they are even second or third generation algerians. there's a lot of anger and rab id right wing reaction to muslims. it's important to know the muslim community stood up immediately. the muslim council was the first
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to visit the charlie hebdo offices there have been demonstrations muslim councils all over europe all denounced this. there's a notion in this country, why won't the good muslims speak up. they are speaking up and don't want to see anything like this go on. >> i don't think we have to be hypothetical about whether or not it could happen in this country, it wasn't that long ago we witnessed the boston bombings. in a similar fashion, perhaps less coordinated from the middle east but lone wolf or small fractional elements of radical muslims doing something terrible. truthfully the answer to whether or not this could happen in this country is this you look at the attack as a tack on western values, free speech. who is the charlie hebdo of america? who's willing to push the envelope of values in this country? without that maybe the answer is wouldn't happen here. we're not defending our values quite as deeply as charlie hebdo
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was. >> let me pull back and look at this at a matter of failure -- within europe. some colleagues of mine at the university of texas have done interesting work looking at muslims in france. we know in terms of their earning potential, likelihood of getting employment and attachment to france consistently lower on all of these measures. it's not just about asimulating, it's a two-way street. the host country needs to make an effort to reach out to these communities. any host community needs to do that. this is a factor of a larger terror network, of course but this is a component that we cannot forget in thinking how do we prevent future attacks. we need to look to the immigrant communities and how to integrate them more fully. >> that is something i keep hearing about too, the idea there much more separateness in
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france, the french cultural population and the muslim population in a way that maybe isn't so over here. it's striking to see that and then imagine what kind of conditions that could create. anyway obviously much more on this in the show -- >> one more thing, to what will said i don't think you have to love those cartoons or publish those cartoons to defend charlie hebdo. quite honestly, when i was editor, i didn't publish the danish cartoons and i would not pub them. some are offensive to me. it's not so much we need to be doing the same thing. we need to defend their right to do it -- >> i disagree when the reaction to offensiveness is murder then you have not only an obligation but it becomes virt uous to offend. you should offend those whose reaction is to murder you -- >> you're familiar with the national review did they publish it? >> i don't think they did this week. >> do you think you have an obligation?
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>> i think you should. john avalon is my friend at the daily beast. they republished those cartoons, that is an admirable thing to have done this week. >> the point joan is making you have a right to choose. the idea of free society, if we want to publish those, we should be able to publish those and no one should be able to threaten. >> in the wake of this controversy, steve, there have been many who have lectured the likes of charlie hebdo from the white house in 2012 directly lecturing charlie hebdo on judgment of publishing cartoons. i'm telling you that's completely out of line whether from the financial times or "time," we're looking at the virtuous act defending a core western value, core western foundational principle of civilization. i want to ask you who in the united states is doing what charlie hebdo does? >> there are people who have published them and that's an act of courage -- it's a tricky question and ultimately joan does make a valid point in a
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free society you have the right to go -- >> no one is saying that joan needs to be forced to do that. we're passing judgment on the admiration we give those who do. >> we will get back to much more of this throughout the show. there's a lot of news happening in france. we'll get to live reports and have more discussion about it as well. there was also some big news believe it or not in american politics yesterday. we're going to get to that straight ahead.
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a small but growing memorial is forming outside the kosher market in paris. they are placing candles and flowers to remember the individuals murdered in the standoff. the search is still on for the 26-year-old partner of the suspected gunman in that attack. french officials say she was involved in the killing of a policewoman in paris on thursday. it is not clear whether she took part in the standoff in the
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market. attorney general eric holder is heading to paris where he'll attend international talks on terrorism convened by the french government tomorrow. 17 people in all were killed in the attacks last few days 12 people at charlie hebdo on wednesday. a french policewoman shot on thursday what is thought to be a linked attack and the kosher market yesterday. we'll return to paris with a live report in a few minutes. turning now, there has been big news in politics back here at home. could the third time be the charm for mitt romney? the former massachusetts governor telling a group of major donors that he is considering another run for the white house in 2016. this was at the meeting of woody johnson, the top republican donor, when romney said quote, i want to be president. shortly after the news broke, invitations to his fourth annual
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policy summit were hitting inboxes. the timing on this is impossible to ignore. jeb bush is making lots of aggressive moves right now. we'll talk about this a little bit more later. but this looks to me at least mitt romney for some reason, maybe because he wants to run or wants leverage, he's trying to put the brakes on jeb bush thing. >> i think democrats are saying please proceed, governor but there is a spitefulness or something i don't know enough about, to have him do this about a week after jeb steps out. we've been waiting for one of them to step out. they weren't doing it. now they are both doing it. they really are setting the republican party up if they go ahead and do this for candidate rand paul or candidate ted cruz or something from the right wing of the party. they can't go at each other and have one of them walk away as the nominee, i don't believe. >> it's a snowball. i think we're just seeing the
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beginning and it's going to be so much fun for the next couple of months. with regards to romney my question is what's different? what's different this third time around? it's the charm? what's going on. one thing we heard about romney if you got to know him in person, he's a great guy and the romney you saw as a candidate was not that romney. is he going to do a 180 and present himself as is? if not, what's the point of making this noise and taking the money out of the field. >> that's a fascinating point. the charm point. i don't think it's necessarily em knitty it's strategic, you have to run for the money and the guy who announces the quickest gets the biggest donors to come to his side. >> mitt has to show his cards a little bit. >> because he was playing this game letting people say i want mitt to run again. now he had to do something. >> so he has to move and let the donors know. >> that's a bet of a revelation. >> it is. >> are you surprised?
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>> i'm surprised but to the point of what's different, this is interesting. mitt romney has been able to be painted by external forces. it's interesting that after 2012 the documentary mitt came out on netflix, it's revealing and interesting. he's a good human being. is he a good presidential candidate or good politician? said those aside. he's a good human being and in direct contradiction to the picture painted of him. maybe, maybe that's different. >> the question i have is what does he run on in terms of policy? if president obama had been right now dealing with a bad economic situation a worsening economic situation, then romney could come back and say, see, i told you so if you would have elected me i could have turned things around but things are doing well -- >> this is a guess but my guess is where the psychology of this comes in he loses -- he didn't
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get blown out, it wasn't the closest race but he did well enough. he looks two years later and says in 2014 my party just cleaned the democrats' clocks at the polls -- >> the psychology of this you always pay attention to the most recent election. >> or to the policy. >> right. >> that's why dole thought he would win in '96. >> it's not barack obama -- >> everybody, a junior political science major knows that the midterm electorate is different, i'm not saying they are going to get the entire obama coalition to turn out but it's a much more favorable environment than the mid terms. will says he's a good person. i will stipulate that. he's a terrible candidate. i don't see any evidence he's learned to be a better candidate. >> this is one we'll have maybe another year of talking about. we'll have plenty more to come.
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other big news "the new york times" reporting that federal prosecutors at the fbi and justice department are recommending felony charges against david petraeus for leaking classified information. former four-star general resigned from the cia post in 2012 admitted to having an affair with his buygrapher. it's up to them to pursue the charges against petraeus. and that will bring us to the end of the round table section here. thanks, we'll see you again in the next hour. lots more still ahead, we'll return to paris for three days of coordinated terror attacks. wesley clark will be here to weigh in on this new round in the fight against al qaeda. and returning to politics also news that christie was grilled by federal investigators. those details ahead, stay with us. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual.
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emergency emergency governor chris christie is dealing with different headlines this morning. a report out that christie was interrogated last month by federal prosecutors aboutscandal. according to this report the interview with the governor was one of the final steps in the prosecutors investigation. christie agreed to appear voluntarily. on top of that. wall street journal reported that federal investigators subpoenaed records from christie's 2013 re-election campaign. it's involving claims from the democratic mayor of jersey city that christie's team canceled state meetings with him when he refused to endorse christie for re-election. all of this comes with christie nearing a decision on whether to run for president. brian thompson who has been reporting on christie and bridge-gate from the beginning is here to walk us through the latest developments. the last time you were here you were talking about the potential for six or maybe even more indictments from the u.s. attorney potentially as early
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as january, the month we're now in. what is the latest on that? >> we're still sticking to that right now. there have been some reports suggesting that it will come a little bit later because of this mop-up operation with the interview with the governor for example, that was done last month. we were able to confirm that. but we're still sticking with six to eight as we understand the players going through. it's very important to note -- and i continue to get intel on this -- that nobody is saying that governor christie himself is a target in all of this. but a lot of people presumably you are in jeopardy and have lawyered up expecting these indictments to come down soon. >> so in light of that how do you read this new revelation about -- we all know the headline is last april or some has his own internal investigation and declares himself exonerated and now in december of 2014 nine months after this he's sitting down with federal prosecutors and they are questioning him.
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we know the basic topic but what is it they are looking for? do you have a sense of that? >> when i talked to the legal beagles here not a lawyer and don't play one on tv when i talk to them, they are base he can basically saying this is confirmation of all of the information they have, one uses the term mopping up for example. the same reason they subpoena the actual videotape of bill baroni's testimony about the traffic study to the legislative committee that wasn't really a traffic study as we now understand the situation. that all goes to the point of what were they doing? what was the cover-up? what was the deception involved that is actually the jeopardy for violating federal law. so you have to talk to all of the players. everybody who was anywhere near this and that's what they were doing with the governor. if the governor had been a
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target they wouldn't have even been talking to him. >> okay. the third piece i want to make sure to get this in. we also have a report this week that they have subpoenaed records, the feds have subpoenaed records from the re-election campaign in 2013 about the mayor of jersey city not endorsing christie's re-election and saying they canceled official state meet beings s ings with me. >> that's new ground seemingly but it fits into this pattern of abuse of power, if you will. i'm not saying that's going to be the charge. but it's what we conceptually think of it as. you know and manipulating what they were doing in jersey city with the political aim of trying to get the mayor -- democratic mayor on board with the governor punishing him and so it all fits into the bigger picture of who are they punishing? why were they punishing? i think that's the big picture
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that we have to keep in mind as u.s. attorney goes forward. >> we're still dying to know the motive on this thing. new report every week it seems. >> tons. >> brianthompson appreciate you stopping by. we'll go back to france right after this. here we go, here we go here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪ ♪ nothing beats that new car smell ♪ ♪ chicken parm you taste so good ♪ ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm ♪
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? rallies are popping up already across the capital. ronan, i understand you just got there, only a few hours ago, i don't know how much time you've had to take in what life is like in paris after all of this. tell us what your impressions are so far and how the country is dealing with this. >> reporter: it's pretty tense, steve, a lot of false alarms obviously a message from the government at this point to be vigilant and the response has been for people to call in a lot
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of scares all over town. we just got through a situation where there was an allegation there might be a gunman at large, turned out not to be the case. there was concerns about the safety of this very live shot. if you look behind me the monument here at the place de la republique questions like what kind of society do you want to build, that is hanging over the city and fears leading up to the big rally. hundreds and thousands of people a lot of security concerns and world leaders who would be high value targets ats 5:00 p.m. we should get a briefing on exactly what security measures in place. they've been in all day discussing how to make sure there isn't a repeat of any of these hostilities and this violence. >> ronan farrow appreciate the update and good luck to you over there. senator kay bailey hutchison is standing by to join us on the other side of this break. there was a fascinating article
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i am never going to retire the work is too important. but i will not run for senate in 2016. >> bar bra boxer's announcement she won't run for eye rere rereelection is highlighting what needs to change in the senate. today women make up one fifth of the senate. it's also a huge leap from the two women who served when boxer was first elected back in 1992. when north carolina senator kay hagen asked to use the senate swimming pool at the start of her term six years ago she was told it was closed to women, because male senators like to swim in the nude. this and other stories about what it's like being a woman in the u.s. senate are recounted in
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a politico magazine article i found fascinating. we asked kay bailey hutchison to join us and talk about it. she joins us from dallas. senator, thank you for taking a few minutes. that anecdote we put in there, i wanted to put in there because i thought that was shocking in the year 2009 a woman is elected to the u.s. senate and tried to swimming in swimming pool no the guys like to swim naked there, you can't swim in there. how representative is a story like that of what life in the senate is like for women? >> i think life in the senate is great for women. of course when i first got there, 20 years ago, there were things that you wouldn't expect but i think it was all a matter of the maturing of all of our society but especially the senate and the older institutions and traditions.
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and there are now 20 women and i think sometimes you just have to -- if you're in a transitional period you have to just grow with it and kind of go with it. and that's what i tried to do. >> is there a -- is there a -- when it comes to life for women in the senate there a difference in terms of when you think generationally the older male dominated generation sort of the world war ii generation retiring and kind of leaving the stage, a younger generation. does the cultures change with the generations changing? >> of course it does. i think the men who have dominated the senate for so many years didn't have the same professional experiences with women that our younger generation does. our younger men now are used to working with women who are their boss, they are used to going to college and competing on an equal basis. so i think that of course the
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generational changes make a difference which is why i gave a lot of leeway to men who were trying to be polite trying to be doing the right thing just weren't used to the professional relationships. but now i think more and more they are. i think every opportunity is there for women. and let me say, steve, too, women are in leadership. i was in lead areship on the republican side. barbara barbara ma kul ski, a powerful committee. people deal with the person who's in charge i think very easily and well. so i think because we've moved into the system and we've moved up through the ranks, that becomes the equalizer. >> i do want to ask you, i'm sorry this is so truncated with
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all of the breaking news in the world. i want your understanding of it based on what you're seeing come out of france your reaction and your response to the news that's been unfolding there right now. >> it's riveting and we are in sympathy and bonded with france over this. but it is another wake-up call that we cannot be complacent. i think the -- the intelligence people who have come forward in the last couple of days for america are saying we've got to prepare for this because intelligence is showing that these dreadful forces who are trying to wipe away freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, wiping away our way of life are going to do more of this in western countries, including america. so i hope that we are preparing
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to be very vigilant about who comes into our country and the kinds of things that might happen and i have to say, it is the public who often see things that don't seem right. they report it to the authorities. and we have foiled some of the opportunities and plans that have been made even in america by being vigilant. >> if you see something, say something. >> kay bailey hutchison from texas. i apologize for the brevity -- >> i understand thank you, steve. >> another hour of news straight ahead. we'll go live to paris for the latest on the suspect still at large over there.
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increased speed of the presidential races, jeb bush forces others like mitt romney to decide as soon as possible on a run and how activism is continuing in the nba, this time a player expressing his support for the victims of the paris attacks. news out of paris, the manhunt in paris continues at this hour. police still searching for this woman, she is hayat boumediene the partner of the gunmen in the supermarket attack. french officials say she was involved in the killing of a policewoman in paris on thursday. it's not clear whether she took part in the deadly standoff any supermarket. one of the many things we still don't know about the attacks. we're standing by for video of the solidarity marches springing all all across france. bill neely -- going to be kicking off, we talked to ronan
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farrow our msnbc colleague, who talked about apprehension among people out and about today, that as these events take place and gatherings of leaders take place, there is maybe a heightened risk for another terrorism act. can you tell us what the mood is right now and what we can be expecting? >> reporter: yes, steve, good morning from a city very much on edge nerves jangling. let me give you three examples of why this is on edge. we've had three false alarms i would have to say here. some people saw a man come out of a shop with a rifle. they chased him. it was significant because it was near where the brothers had abandoned their car after the massacre at the magazine. police sped in and closed off the street and apparently turned out to be a false alarm. on another side of paris near a synagogue, people heard what they thought were shots, the synagogue was locked down. people were in there for two hours. women are crying.
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it turned out it was firecrackers. at euro disney there was a bomb alert. you can see how on edge people are. it happened in london after the attacks ten years ago and in madrid after the train bombings. but what's really putting people on edge is that as you say, the sieges may be over the crisis isn't. the gunmen may be dead but their accomplice is on the loose. hayat boumediene described by french police as armed and dangerous is still on the loose. we saw pictures of her holding a cross bow towards the camera. she's the long-time partner of the man who dialed in the supermarket. nbc news spoke to the man who was the chief anti-terrorist investigator for france for many years, a man who put one of brothers in jail. he said this woman is potentially very dangerous.
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why? because her partner is jihadi culture, a martyr and in their culture she would like to follow him or at least match what he has done. these are his words. therefore that makes her a very dangerous person. we also know from the paris prosecutor that she was on the phone around 500 times to the brothers. this was a cell. these were people acting together and we've heard from the paris prosecutor that they had a huge arsenal of weapons, pistols, rocket propelled grenades, knives everything. this woman is still on the run and people are worried that she may do something as well as some other people in a wider cell. steve? >> that is the story of the moment right now, the hunt for that woman. armed and dangerous, potentially very volatile. thanks to bill neely, live in
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paris. elsewhere this morning, the french government gathering for a crisis meeting. they fear that -- their fear is that the days of terror are not over yet. one of the gunmen said shortly before his death he was funded by al qaeda. an al qaeda group said it planned the charlie hebdo attack. kouachi brothers had been under surveil aeps including the no fly list. but efforts to stop them before they attacked clearly failed. eric holder is heading to paris for meeting with international counterterrorism officials and world leaders are converging on paris in a sign of support. what can that coalition accomplish in this new fight against al qaeda? here is retired general wesley clark, former supreme allied commander of nato author of the new book "don't wait for the next war" and senior fell local for the international relations. let me start with this.
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we have the claim from al qaeda in yemen that they were -- that they helped to plan this to organize this. we have apparently the news report saying apparently that the attackers cited al qaeda in yemen. how credible is it to you the idea that al qaeda played some type of planning role in this? >> it seems unlikely but we should be able to unravel that pretty quickly, whether we want to disclose that publicly or not remains another fact. but it was to be expected that al qaeda would try to take credit for this. >> and i guess the other question is whether there's the direct role or not, we certainly have the confirmation of the attacker who was in yemen and received some training over there, so if this was something that was sort of more self-initiated, certainly al qaeda in yemen was beneficial to him in the sort of circumstances. and i guess it raises one of the questions i have apparently from what i understand the united states government has
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been focused very very particularly on yemen but this has not been as much a priority for france and for europe. is that accurate? >> well it's hard to say from the outside, steve, but here's what we know. there's been a lot more europeans headed over to syria and to yemen and have been part of this radicalization process. there's active recruiting in france and britain and in germany to take european muslims and send them into these conflict zones where they are further radicalized. so of course there's some intelligence overwatch of this going on in these countries. but is it sufficient? apparently it isn't. what we can expect is that the intelligence agencies france and other countries and perhaps here will look again at their procedures for who do they follow and how long do they track them? how much do they do with their circle of friends? there are a lot of questions out of this. why wasn't boumediene's phone monitored the whole time? who has she been -- else has she
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been talking to? how big is this network of relationships in france? all of that is going on behind the scenes right now. >> i mean that's what we're hearing too. we just heard from our reporter over there, the idea of a potentially larger cell being involved here. give us a sense of how big something like this could be and what it would look like? >> well normally it would be divided into cells and so people -- if it were structured properly, the way terrorists are trained and train themselves to do these things one cell doesn't know of another. so a cell is three or four people, there's a point of con tangt, cut out, may not know the person's first name and everything is handled by drop box communications and other things. there's no direct contact. but that may not be the case because of the way the relationships worked. it may be in certain mosques there are groups of people who know each other. it may be that by following the phone records, by looking at
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places of employment and looking at other measures of relationships, there are larger groups and of course that must be the concern in france right now. >> we're going to play sound from last night, rushdie, the author on the receiving a quarter century ago, been controversial about his writes and remarks about islam. he was responding to the situation. we want to play what he had to say and ask you about it. >> in a way we're the side show. this is a project to seize power in the islamic world. and whether it's the taliban or isis or boko haram or any of these groups what they are trying to do is create a mindset which allows them to conquer the world of islam and we're the side show. >> what he was saying there, innocent people in the united states who have been beheaded
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and killed by isis or innocent people in france being killed this week he's saying this is really about a struggle that's taking place for power and for status within the muslim world, all of these extremist groups acting in islam's name. is that an accurate way of looking at it do you think? >> i think it's a constructive way of looking at it. it's about islam and who has power and authority in islam. it's dangerous in the near term because of incidents like in france, it is dangerous in the long term if the wrong people take power in these states, you could imagine the horrific consequences. for al qaeda, for isis they want to radicalize the muslim populations all over the world and in their region. they want to create discord between populations and want to draw recruits and want to sew fear in the islamic community so people have to come to them for
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protection. he is exactly right on this, this is mostly about islam. it's why, steve, we have to be careful in terms of reaction to things like americans beheaded. we want to reengage with another large ground war in iraq or afghanistan. because we've shown that that's not the most effective way to deal with this. we're going to intervene for years in this, on the margins, and work to protect our own citizens but do it in a smart sustainable way. >> retired general wesley clark, we appreciate the insight and time as well. >> coming up we will turn back to the world of politics is jeb bush messing things up for everybody else? something his brother did before. i'll explain exactly what that means in a minute. but first, we want to remember another one of the victims from the charlie hebdo shootings, this is george wolinski well known for his work with charlie
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week. we know he's said he's potentially interested in running and looking at people raising money for him. thgs the headline you see this week the bush team setting a bowl fund raising goal of $100 million in three months. jeb bush's allies are setting a goal of $100 million the first three months this year including a whopping $25 million haul in florida, to win the potential republican primary field with an audacious display of financial strength. this is jeb bush basically saying there's a crowded field right now. i want to see if i can intimidate these people. if i can dry up the money they've been relying on and intimidate them out of the race. look where he starts out right now. this is the most recent poll from cnn. you can see cluttered field. we're putting the most prominent names up here. you've got 12 different names thrown around. jeb bush is in the lead but 23%, not that far ahead right now. he wants to really create
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distance here and sees raising big money as a way to do that. if there's a model for this blueprint for what jeb bush is trying to pull off this year it's what his brother, george w. bush did when he ran for president in 2000. in the year 1999 the year before the election the equivalent year. we want to show you what george w. bush pulled off. let's return to that year january 1999 this is what the world looked like in republican party politics. george w. bush like his brother now running ahead of the pack. only 10 points ahead of elizabeth dole and george w bush made the same aggressive moves to raise big money early that jeb bush is making right now. you can see this is george w. bush as he got into the race. let's listen to what he had to say. >> should i decide to move forward, it's a huge benefit to have your little brother as governor of florida.
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that's why i was nice to him all those years. it's one thing to have all of the interest and people flying down. the next step is to determine whether i can raise money. >> he set out to determine if he could raise money. he got a lot of very influential money behind him. this is summer of 1999 fund raising reports coming in. how did that go for george w. bush? >> the big news from the world of presidential campaign money to report to you tonight, political pros call this early fund dz raising part of it the first primary. well tonight we have a winner. george w. bush stunned everybody by disclosing he raised $36.2 million, that smashes all previous standing records. >> it was 37.2 when they tallied everything up. this was stunning. you look at this money today, 37 million, not that much. in 1999 it was shocking that george w bush raised this money
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and made a definitive statement and signal to republicans who were maybe on pt fence, it was time to get on board. look what happened. because he raised the money in the middle of 1999 look what it did. first of all, you take a poll and suddenly he was he was overwhelmingly ahead, 47 points ahead. look at this look what happens over the next two months. six different candidates john kasich lamar alexander, elizabeth bowldole, pat buchanan. because george w bush raised so much money and brought in so much early endorsements six of them dropped out without a single vote even being cast. it takes you to the end of the year and you can see where things ended up george w bush ended that year as the most overwhelming front-runner the republican party had seen for an
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open moderation. one of the people one of the people who got on board early with george w bush and helped him clear out and raise the big money, one of his big donors a bush pioneer, a new jersey politician named chris christie and now he stands potentially to be on the receiving end, maybe on the victim's end of one of those bush money pushes unless he's able to fight back against it. we'll talk to the country saes leading experts on the republican field about all of this whether the early push could freeze out other contenders and what it means straight ahead. curling up in bed with a favorite book is nice. but i think women would rather curl up with their favorite man. but here's the thing: about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and remember, you only take it when you need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure.
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jeb bush is making a big push for early money that could potentially scare off competition and make his path to nomination clearer. as an aggressive strategy scrambling every would be candidates timetables. joining me to discuss the big push we have the top experts, robert costa, for the "washington post." republican strategist john brabender strategist for santorum's campaign. rick wilson based in florida. matt katz who tracks chris christie more closely than just about anyone. robert costa, let me start on the big picture and mitt romney inserting himself into the storey story. we're saying for whatever reason he wants to stop the money in going to jeb bush. tell us what is going on. >> on the day governor bush was in boston, you had mitt romney
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meet with top former donors at the new york jets owner office in manhattan and signal to them don't sign up with jeb, sim still seriously considering a bid. this is a chess game of the biggest proportions. >> do you think romney thinks he can run against jeb? is he looking for an insurance policy or looking to freeze money so he has leverage? what's the angle? >> sitting down with romney people last night. it's not so much romney wants to run against jeb bush he doesn't think jeb bush has the political skills necessary to get through a republican primary due to the views on common core and immigration and doesn't think bush could beat hillary clinton in a general election. he think he's been right and vindicated since 2012 sitting on the sidelines still with the appetite to get in the race. >> with jeb bush's standpoint, we talk about it all the time the establishment versus the grass roots, is the idea for jeb bush, we want to put the heat on christie and romney.
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we want to corner the market and being that establishment candidate? >> certainly. what i reported yesterday and today's "washington post," it's almost like two boxers in the ring looking at each other and gauging where they are going to move next. mike murphy jeb bush's chief political strategist sat down with romney and felt each other out whether jeb was going to move fast or romney was going to move. two of the biggest families in republican politics, trying to react to each other and see who can get out there and get the nomination. >> rick wilson let me bring you into this. i want to talk about the ripple effects of this. you know jeb bush and marco rubio world better than anybody else. rubio saying my family is on board, if i want to run for president, they are ready for me to do it. here's where that sort of money push comes into it. if jeb bush is out there sort of saying, i need the money, i'm ready to go too.
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can i guy like marco rubio actually run? is there room for him to run? >> there's plenty of room for a guy like marco to run. nobody in this -- sort of run this thing on the major donor said that's really looked back -- newt gingrich had a major donor. and he's not president. this is a situation where in the new world of campaigning in the current conservative landscape, the major donors make a huge difference. jeb is smart to hammer away at this early, jeb is in a primary for the donor class, which is jeb, mitt romney and chris christie. the other candidates will have to win on ideas more than just on the nuclear powered campaign machine that runs off millions a week in overhead. >> there's always the question we hear about rubio and bush there's a pretty longstanding relationship with them personal relationship with them. i'm not getting the impression that that matters much to rubio in terms of running. what's your sense? would that ultimately hold him
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back not wanting to run against somebody he's been close to and helpful to him in his career? >> no steve, it won't. i'll tell you why. marco, as you said respects jeb tremendously and thinks he's a formidable candidate, would raise an incredible amount of money. if you're called to run for president, your relationships and friendships in the past have to be something, if you feel so compelled to make such a consequential jump in your life you have to look at it as something that the country comes first and your vision for it comes first and previous relationships you've had with folks have to be set aside. that is not that he's ever going -- it's going to be hostile or anything like that. but it does mean that folks who think there's some game plan from the sort of -- era, that will hold marco back from doing this. you have to take the guy at his word. he actually means it. >> matt katz chris christie
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world. what happens, jeb bush -- a lot of people surprised by the timing, how early he did this and aggressive he's being. how is the christie world reacting to this? do they have a plan to respond. >> how will he handle this. >> they tell me their time frame is the same as it has been for weeks. that they can't depend on other candidates and going forward and doing what they plan to do. the idea he's not laying the groundwork and running is false. he's having weekly calls with big donors gone to six gubernatorial inaugurations this month, meeting with donors and meeting scheduled in new york and elsewhere. this is already happening for him. but because he has the new jersey republican party which can pay for a lot of his travel which is a luxury that some of the other candidates can't afford, he can wait a little bit. he can use the new jersey republican party to travel to
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fund some of this shadow campaigning right now. and then he can move forward with the time frame that they said that they had already set forward and they are not affected by jeb or mitt. >> you don't -- you're not picking up on a sense from them they are at risk of losing donors to jeb bush donors saying the train is leaving the station, i better get on it it's the better bet? >> they say their donors the guys wanting them to run and guys wanting them to run since 2011 know that he's still preparing to run. they are not saying wow, a new shiny thing, let me run over there and forget about christie. he's still talking to these guys and they know he's about to get in. they are not running away. they also -- you know there's a group of these guys and bundlers and billionaires and traditional donors but the governor spent time in silicon valley for the recampaign and you may see untraditional republican donors who supports him. remember mark zuckerberg, the
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first fundrazor he held was for chris christie and met a lot of mark's friends and associates. chris christie once spent the night at zuckerberg's house. there might be other people that can help him in the run that aren't the typical republican establishment and the guys that would be with bush. >> john braybender, we're talking about the bush effect. we also talk about sort of the conservative grass roots of the party and evangelical voters. you have worked with rick santorum, he won the iowa caucuses in 2012 and mike huckabee won in 2008 with strong support has now made a move of his own and said he's exploring running for president and left the fox news show. what effect does that have on somebody like rick an santorum, somebody who has a lot of overlap and very popular, making a move like this. >> the way republican primaries
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are picked are completely different than they were in 1999-2000 as you started your show. there's five buckets of voters the establishment, the libertarian, social conservatives and tea party and working family republicans. and so you have to be able to play in a number of those buckets. if you look back in 2012 rick santorum out of the 30 contestant primaries won 11 tied two others not because he had money. he was outspent 8-1, because he could play not only in the social conservative but hard working and tea party those types of things. that's what's going to happen with the candidacies. i find it interesting that mitt romney was the first to atash jeb bush on common core immigration because he understands that that's going to affect a lot of those buckets that aren't the establishment bucket. so this is a little bit like playing three dimensional chess, every time somebody gets in the race, it affects everybody to
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some degree. this is a wide open primary with no front-runner. >> robert costa, i'll end on you, the appetite your picking up among republicans for jeb bush, john was just outlining the differences between the nature of the republican party and back in 2000. the appetite that was there for george wbush in 2000 are you sensing something similar or not as pronounced? >> not as pronounced. when his brother entered in 1999 he was a sitting governor of a major state of the jeb bush hasn't been on a ballot since 2002. he needs to see if he can get back in step where the party is today. >> very busy panel. appreciate all of you coming on and getting up early. great insight, thanks for doing that. still ahead, what we don't know and what we still really want to know about the attacks in paris. a lot more detail still ahead.
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images from just a few minutes ago of the many rallies taking place across france in solidarity of the victims of this week's tragedy. police are still on the hunt for hayat boumediene. french president hollande holding an emergency security meeting with his cabinet today. country's interior minister says they are deploying hundreds of troops to ensure there are no further attacks. ronan, the big story of the day right now is this hunt for this woman, armed and dangerous, potentially in a very desperate situation. what can you tell us the latest is on that right now? >> reporter: exactly.
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hayat boumediene, she's the partner of the assailant in the supermarket, married in a religious ceremony but not recognized by the state as husband and wife. the authorities are remaining tight lipped about her. the chief of police here actually gave his very first interview and still said we're not revealing any leads any intelligence, we don't have a status update where the investigation is this moment. we do know from the chief prosecutor that she called one of the kouachi brothers wives up to 500 time. all of this uncertainty about the search is leading up to the major unity rally tomorrow. there's irony there because although there are certainly many standing shoulder to shoulder in unity, it's revealing a lot of thought lines, saying i'm not charlie because far right leaders aren't invited and various groups feel
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disenfranchised. there's a major rally of tens and thousands of kurds with them decrying assassinations in their community and racism directed at them. france continues to be tense right now. >> there's a lot of divisions, long standing divisions now come to the surface maybe in a moment like this as well. ronan farrow appreciate that. thank you very much. this week's news out of france saw one of -- if not the biggest hash tags in the history of twitter and the huge economic news in washington. as we go to break, we want to tell you the story of another victim of this week's attack in paris. like the alleged gunman he was a muslim a police officer for eight years and just qualified to become a detective. france are pouring into twitter, i am ahmed.
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back here on set with us we have victoria fran chesko soto and will cain and political analyst joan walsh, editor at large. as we've been saying throughout the show everybody is focused on france but a lot of other news going on this weekend, a lot of news breaking. we wanted to take a segment and go through as much of it as we can. we have a bunch of headlines to run through. one sort of on point with france, an interesting developing in an nba game kevin serafin, a backup player donned a black t-shirt with the words je sui charlie, i'm happy he did that bulls forwards joking after the game. wizards lost the game but a very
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touching gesture here. this has a lot of people talking to domesticicly here 250,000 new jobs in december bringing the unemployment down to 5.6%. this is total employment rising about 3 million people for the year most in 15 years. interesting news there. >> and gas prices are still down. i think what we're seeing are tangible differences in the economy. it's not just a jobs report. regular people every day, they don't care about what the jobs report says, when they go to the supermarket and gas station, they have more money in their pocket. i think this is the real news, the tangible effects. >> we are both from texas and we know it's not all rosy news. that's good news labor force participation is down and with the drop in gas prices there is cutbacks in oil and gas industry. we see jobs contracting a little bit and we have to see the loss
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could have on these reports -- >> we've been saying the idea of either -- the recovery and when people feel there's a recovery. you start seeing numbers like this and people start to feel it i think. >> people are feeling it 58 straight months of private sector growth. one bad thing in the numbers is again, hourly wages ticked down a little. there's still this concern that the jobs are coming back and things are better but we're still not seeing wages climb -- >> not necessarily the kind of jobs -- >> we have more headlines we have to get to. and i'm focused on this thing, i applaud kevin certificateseraphin, i am charlie hebdo, not necessarily true. i applaud the support but truly being charlie hebdo is standing as bravely as they did. >> and could be taken as a
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gesture of solidarity. >> and i applaud that. >> and maybe bill o'reilly won't call him stupid as he did -- >> political activism comes in many shapes and sizes. >> i agree not evennessly as a political activist message but a guy whose family lives there and thinking of his family and people he's close to. here's an interesting story, close to where i grew up boston globe, a cost effective olympics because boston was chosen beating out three other cities san francisco and los angeles and denver to be the official american entry for the 2024 summer olympics. what boston is proposing doing is interesting, they shatter cost records and build giant stadiums that never get used. they want to build a temporary stadium to be taken down and donated piece by piece to local schools and mass transit,
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everything within 10 and 15 miles and promising a different kind of olympics that won't leave a city feeling like sochi. >> in theory it makes sense because they have so many institutions of higher education. from theory to practice is a long stretch. i'm going to be curious to see the actual proposals of that plan because we just saw how badly in went in brazil. >> big project in boston big dig, i've heard all of the jokes. >> and avoid thistyness line up as attractive as london's flashiness was -- >> it's a job for mitt romney. >> there it is bring him back home. here's another headline this is a name you certainly know george zimmerman, remember the controversy from a year ago. he was arrested overnight for aggravated assault coming from news 13 in orlando. charges of aggravated assault with a weapon. he'll appear in court this morning. zimmerman was acquitted in 2013
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for trayvom martin's death. professional cuddlers embracing more clients, i think this is what i'm reading, they charge up to $80 an hour or $400 for an overnight gig. they cuddle with you and apparently new economy. >> this can be so good but so bad. i can see potential implications for that. to tie it to actual research recently there was an article in the new york times about the benefits of friendship and why married people tend to live longer and be happier. you see the need for comraderiship and this is where i see the cuddle business model come in. i'm trying to bring it back -- bring the scientific angle. >> business fails under disappointment and frustration
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as well. >> but it pays well. >> very possible. >> we'll end with one more. this isn't a headline but we have to show you this again, so much tragic news this again. so much tragic news this week. we thought we would give you something to smile about for a minute or two. the vice president of the united states at his favorite event from all i can tell. he swears in the new senators every year. he's a one man comedy routine. take a look. this is funny. >> hey, dad. welcome to the old senate. excuse me. that's the oath. that's the most important piece. let's get one on this side. i'm okay. i'm not doing the next one. i am not doing it. >> yes, you are. it's part of the job. we both have something in common. we both married up.
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>> we got something in common. just better looking and smarter looking. >> well yeah. ready? oh, man. this is boring boring boring. how you doing, man? isn't this boring, boring boring? >> this is boring isn't it? how you doing, man? big time charlie. how old are you? i love it. >> i need a hug. come on. i need a hug. a son is a son till he gets a wife. a daughter is a daughter the rest of your life. we'll have to tuck this beautiful butterfly in the next morning. i hope you have a big fence around the house. >> good to meet you. >> yo know watching it and
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thinking about it, dick cheney used to do the same thing. he was hugging and telling stories about snakes. every two years i've come to look forward to that. >> it should be a new office. >> the official swearer in. we'll all be happy, including joe biden. >> impossible not to like him. >> they say the vice presidency isn't worth a wormarm bucket of spit. he never got to do that. we will return for the biggest story of the day right after this. (scraping sound) what are you doing? the dishes are clean. i just gotta scrape the rest of the food off them. ew. dish issues? cascade platinum powers through your toughest messes better than the competition the first
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is on his way over to represent the united states in ceremony. bring our panel back for the final minute of the show here. final thoughts on what we're seeing this weekend in france. >> well france has been through this and worse before with the series of al jeern terror attacks. one of the things that troubleded me is for the first time since world war ii they did not hold services last night. france's jewish community before this was suffering and feeling under siege. i think there's a real problem there that needs to be addressed. >> what can we do going forward to prevent such attacks as these? and we need to look at a society that needs to disenfranchise these youths. instead of going radical, they are able to be brought into the fold of the mainstream community. >> you mentioned solidarity rally. it's easy to attack companies and individuals. it's difficult to attack solid
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industries. in the same way i wish they would have stood with sony or been stronger against it i think media should stand in solidarity of charlie hebdo and publish the cartoons. >> i appreciate you all being here today. thank you for joining us today. for more all day long about the continuing manhunt and form a planned march scheduled for 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. up next melissa harris-perry. thanks for getting "up." chocolate is my other favorite... but apple cinnamon is my favorite too... and fruity... oh yeah, and frosted! okay, but...what's you're most favorite of all? hmm... the kind i have with you. me too.
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