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friday's attack, but now sources are saying she flew to turkey on january 2nd and crossed over to syria. it's reported that turkish officials saw a woman fitting her description travel into syria on thursday. nbc news has not confirmed this story. with security increased throughout the french capital, this morning, the president chaired an emergency security meeting aimed at thwarting off any repeat attacks. the security forces are preparing for a major unity rally planned for tomorrow. several world leaders are said are attend, including the british prime minister and german chancellor. several cities saw a massive show of unity with tens of thousands of people marching in solidarity with the victims of this week's attacks. this comes a day after yesterday's dual sieges, one in eastern paris where coulibaly was killed holding hostages inside a grocery store, and the

suspects at the charlie hebdo offices, said and cherif kouachi one killed in a gun battle with police. 17 people were killed in the terror attacks. nbc's richard engle is live on the scene. what are you learning about the search for hayat boumediene? >> reporter: the latest we have is coming from the french newspaper, and it reported in a bulletin that hayat is not in france. left the country. wasn't in the supermarket. wasn't in france during the time of the attack. actually traveled, left the country about two weeks ago, went first to spain, then from spain, traveled to turkey, and then from turkey, crossed the border into syria. supposedly to join up with isis. we have spoken to turkey

authorities. she was not, we are told, on the flight manifest under her real name, anyway, from spain to madrid. it is possible from spain to istanbul. it is possible she flew under a false name. turkish officials say the woman was not on the official flight list. other government officials say they don't have very much information about her crossing into turkey. so it is possible that this article is correct, and we haven't managed to confirm it.i corroborating the report. we have been on this crisis and heard many different reports about suspects, possible attacks, possible follow on attacks. just today in paris, there were many rumors. there was a rumor there was a gunman at a subway nation. there was a rumor there was an attack at a synagogue.

a lot of police and journalists scrambled and both reports were false. she is still at large, as far as we know. we don't know where she is. >> with those rumors and the uneasiness there, what precautions are being taken for tomorrow's rally? >> that rally is supposed to pass through the square where i am right now. there are already a lot of police in the area. they've set up barricades. a while ago, i saw some police wearing flapjack ets, bullet proof vests. this country remains tense, as you can tell from the way people reacted to the reports earlier today, that the country hasn't yet recovered from the traumatic event that it had. these twin hostage sieges, the murd murderous rampage by two gunmen dressed in black through the streets of paris. it's not something that happens

in paris. it's not what people are used to. they're not used to seeing frenchmen. both of the brothers were born in paris, donning commando style outfits and going on a murderous rampage. it's causing soul searching in this country. people aren't full of panic. shops are open, restaurants are full, but there is an uneasiness. >> understandable, with the fear there still. thank you very much for your report. i want to bring in a foreign editor, christopher, along with a senior analyst with a private security firm. to you both, thank you for joining us this afternoon. christopher, i'll start with you here. how big of a concern is it, potential of more perhaps copycat attacks here, especially given the large crowd expected for tomorrow's rally? christopher, you there? >> there is an awful lot of concern.

obviously, yeah, can you hear me? >> yup. go right ahead. >> can you hear me? okay. yeah, i think there is a lot of concern that something could happen at the rally tomorrow. obviously, it'll be super high profile. there will be security all over the place. there will be a lot of people out, but it'll also be, in some respects, a hard target for any kind of terrorist attack. the trademark of these terrorists is that they hit where you least expect it. even though "charlie hebdo" had been targeted in the past, that all seemed to have died down. it's one reason it didn't have heavier security, though i'm not sure the security would have been able to cope with two guys firing the way they did. but i think there was a lot of worry about copycat attacks all over the country and, indeed, all over europe. i was just talking to some security people in britain, and i think they're concerned, too.

>> now with the focus on hayat, believed to be the common law wife of one of the suspects, there are reports she was in contact with one of the kouachi brothers here. should we focus and look at the females here that may come into play when it comes to terror threats? >> i think we should be very careful about genderfing terrorism. it can be woman or men. we've seen an american woman who was born and grew up here and, in the end, attempted to assassinate the danish cartoonist later, who was on a hit list offal kw al kwiqaeda i arabian peninsula. she could have left the country to maybe germany, and then another country. maybe with another passport, could be fake. we don't know her location, and

i would be careful about saying that she is in syria or traveled to syria. >> i have to add that nbc news has not independently verified or confirmed that yet. christopher, you've been writing about the investigation into who these terrorists were. we know they were on the u.s. no fly list and had been flagged by the u.s. intelligence community. they were on the french intelligence community's radar. was there a misstep in not monitoring them closer? >> oh, yes, there was a huge misstep. this isn't just something you can say in hindsight. it is clear that if you have two guys with the kinds of records that they have, particularly the record that the younger brother, cherif has, either of them go to yemen for no good reason, for any length of time, the security services should have been all over them like white on rice.

in fact, they were not. i don't think there's really any excuse. there's going to be a lot of investigations, internal handling about how and why that happened. it is conceivable that the french didn't know they went to yemen, like now, it isn't clear where boumediene has gone. there may have been a slip between the americans and the french on that question. >> sure. >> all of that will come out eventually. >> then to see what changes at all here when it comes to anti-terror efforts in europe. your opinion on that and how will that change when it comes to european intelligence community, given the fact there were the missteps and the loopholes that seemed to have slipped the cracks. >> obviously, europe has suffered from ser ricterrorism problems. we've seen the attacks. i think europe has been plauged

by the radicals. we've seen foreign fighters flocking from europe to syria and iraq. it's absolutely important to zero in on those who have traveled already and might attempt to come back unnoticed. of course, one of the brothers might have come back unnoticed after he traveled to yemen. there's rumors one might have traveled to syria. what we know is if we don't zero in on them, the chances of having terror attacks in the future could be higher. we should remain vigilant, especially in france. it is unprecedented. we should learn from the mistakes of other intelligence agencies and follow on every lead. >> and for the united states, what would our role be? >> to assist our counterparts in europe from everything from intelligence gathering to any information that we could have that could assist them in capturing the female wanted individual. >> of course, that depends on where she is if, in fact, she's in syria, as is being reported.

thank you so much for being with us. christoph christopher, we appreciate you being with us. we grieve with you. president obama's strong words of support for france yesterday. closing out a week that has seen so much violence. nbc news's correspondent joining me. how is the white house we re acting to this? >> president obama, top officials at the white house have been in contact with their counterparts in france throughout the week, monitoring the situation there. they are offering the support of the united states. at the same time, president obama getting regularly grieved on america's security posture. we know federal officials have asked state and local officials to increase their level of awareness. also, security has been increased at french consulates in major cities across the united states. new york, chicago, atlanta, boston, to name just a few. the security service has stepped up some of its parols. this is something that is being

monitored quite closely. but at the same time, as you pointed out, president obama has been very focused this week on sending a message to france, to the world, that the united states stands shoulder to shoulder with france. the president visiting the french embassy on thursday, calling france america's oldest ally. also emphasizing the fact that france has been a key ally in the fight against isis. josh ernest saying french fighters have flown alongside american fighters. the united states offering its full support, in terms of helping out with the investigation but also its support in terms of sending that very strong message to the world. now, president obama does have some trips planned this week. he's going to go to iowa. he's going to stop in virginia. he's rolling out some of the policies he'll talk about in the state of the union address, but this is going to dominate the discussions behind the scenes at the white house. >> more so with attorney general

holder slated to travel to paris on monday. tell us more about that. >> he is going to be participating in meetings in paris, starting tomorrow. they'll focus on the threat from foreign fighters, threat from violent extremists. this has been a concern for the obama administration, particularly as they've started this campaign against isis. these foreign fighters, of course, a key part of the attackers there in france. it's a big concern here behind the scenes, that the united states would see something like that. this is something that counterterrorism officials have been focused on, trying to stomp out the threat here in the united states. francis? >> thank you. we appreciate that report. >> thanks. much more ahead on this story, including the latest on the reports about the female suspect in the terror attacks and where she might be right now. other news to bring you, u.s. and coalition forces carried out 12 air strikes against isis targets in syria. all of the strikes but one

happened near kobani. forces took out isis units in fighting conditions. u.s.-led forces launched air strikes against isis forces in iraq. george zimmermann was released from jail. he was arrested last night for aggravated assault and domestic violence. he was accused of throwing a bottle of wine at the woman. she's expected in court next month. in 2013, he was acquitted of second degree murder in the death of trayvon martin. protesters were infront of dick cheney's home. they protested the use of torture at guantanamo bay. police broke up the demonstration. about 30 people from the group took the protest to the front gate of the cia building.

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we follow the breaking news. hayat boumediene was believed to be inside the grocery store during the attack, but police sources are saying she flew to turkey on january second and crossed to syria. officials say she passed through the country. nbc news has not confirmed that story. joining me now is an analyst, retired special agent and hostage negotiator, jim. nice to have you with us. >> hello, francis. >> let's start with the confusion about the female suspect and questions about whether she was in the country at the time of the attacks. how does it happen, especially

if those reports, if they're true that she left the country on january 2nd and may be in syria? >> right. it's a great question. we should back up though. the first time we came to know about this questifemale suspect when the french police said she was involved with coulibaly in the murder of a female officer. was she present at the murder of the policewoman? that's not a question we have an answer to, but it's a question for the french police. she was on the wanted poster. if she was present at the murder of the policewoman, then she wasn't in syria. if a woman was present, maybe they're not sure it was her, and maybe this account for syria is just pretty weak on its face, that somebody says a woman looked like her that went to syria. it doesn't give me much weight -- there's not much weight to it that it's here. >> how does it change the

investigation and the search for her, considering she's armed and dangerous. >> they have to go back to square one. was she present at the murder of the policewoman? if she was, they have to work from there. obviously, the syrian accounts of her leaving two weeks prior are not worth anything. they have to establish that first. if they just have a description, they have to work from there, check the flight manifest, passport records, she could have hiding in a basement in paris. she could easily get secreted out of the country. france has a law where females can't wear the full covered burka attire, but once you're out of france, you can put that on and go all the way to syria. the time will tell whether she's in paris or at the murder scene, at the hostage scene, or she's already done gone. >> i want to ask about copycat

attacks in france or the united states. how concerned are you about that? >> it's concerning. it's a thing we call the propaganda of the deed. it's what the terrorists have used over the years, from suicide bombers to attacks like this or any terrorist attack you can name. they see basically it says to like minded actors across the world, see what we did and do like us. they gain recruits. they gain people who copy the behavior but may already be indoctrinated. i think it is very dangerous, especially with the internet. we had the video of them with the ak-47s. given the fact there are strict gun laws in france, what's your reaction that they were so well armed using the weapons? >> well, they had the connections for years, back to

2005, ten years ago, of funneling fighters into iraq. they had -- one of the brothers had been to yemen. they had direct contact. when you have the contacts like that over a number of years in a war zone, in iraq, yemen, you can get those weapons through. you can get them through via land in europe from syria. there's only one border crossing. turkey is a smugglers pa s para. they load the trunk of a car with guns and rocket propelled grenades, it's not a huge task. it's like going from washington to dallas. there's no checkpoint. i don't think it's very difficult given the contacts and the hind set they had. >> jim k, thank you for your perspective. 2014 was the best year for

hiring. it went to 5.6%. the economy added more than 250,000 jobs in the month. gas prices continue their fall. the national average at $2.15 a gall gallon. we'll bring in the processor of economics at the university of maryland. thanks for being with us. you say, peter, if oil prices settle at $60 a barrel, that would still mean a net gain in the economy equivalent to $100 billion tax cut there. how is that felt, and who amongst us does that help the most? >> it helps everyday drivers, people that commute to work. they'll have more than $500 per family in their pockets to spend on other things each year. in turn, that will create jobs and so forth. it would easily boost gdp by 1% and add jobs each month. it's nothing to sneeze about. >> let's talk about the people who will suffer with the low oil

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>> it does. if we had the same percentage of adults looking for work when obama became president, the rate would still be 10%. lots of people have sat down -- for example, one in six mean between 25 and 52, too young -- or old for college but young to retire. >> average hourly wages fell 5 cents in december. 20 states are going to raise the minimum wage. can there be a successful recovery if workers are seeing the benefits of higher wages? >> well, you have to have a successful recovery for people to receive the benefits. it's not that you give them higher wages and then the economy recovers. the bottom line is most of the jobs created are at the top, people like you and i in finance, media, technology. the hole is in the middle, home construction, business construction, and manufacturing.

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we continue to follow breaking news in the france terror investigation. media reports raising questions about whether the female suspect wanted in connection with this week's attacks is in the country. french media reports that french sources say that hayat boumediene flew to turkey and crossed over to syria. nbc has not confirmed those reports. we've talked a lot about the suspected gunmen, but we want to talk about some soft viof the v. 17 died, including 12 in the initial shooting at the charlie hebdo offices. among them, stecharbonnier.

his girlfriend begged him to league france but he refused. he said, i'm not afraid of retaliation. i have to wife, kids, car, credit. i prefer to die standing than living on my knees. charb, as he was known to friends, was 47 years old. this week's victims will be honored as a unity rally tomorrow in paris, and we expect hundreds of thousands of people to be there, including the president hollande, and other european leaders. we're joined live from paris. good to see you, ronan. >> good to see you. >> i understand there was a vigil tonight there in paris. >> reporter: that's exactly right. just on the border of paris and a neighboring town, we were at the town hall right by that vigil. there were huge crowds there for a moment of silence.

they then headed to the site of the supermarket where one of the attacks happened, lives were lost. there were people mourning and people joining forces. you mentioned unity, the title of the rally tomorrow, but it was the sentiment tonight. people believing tributie ing was the sentiment tonight. people believing tributie i was the sentiment tonight. people believing tributie ing was the sentiment tonight. people believing tributie payi. also signs that said je suis charlie and i am the police officer. >> i can imagine the country, the french there, are still reeling from the terror that gripped them the past few days. what's the feeling now? >> reporter: tomorrow is going to be a formative moment in terms of people's healing, in terms of the reflection on this. things are far from over here. things are very much tense on the ground. there are a lot of false alarms, lot of citings of what people believe to be new attackers. none of those panned out over

the course of the day, but all eyes are on the rally tomorrow. hundreds of thousands expected. world leaders expected. our own u.s. attorney general holder is in town at the same time. france is going to be on high alert. we've heard from the interior minister tonight that there are going to be 2,200 policeman on site for the rally, kicking off right here. 1,500 military officers, some in plain clothes. snipers on rooftops. this place is going to be locked down and very tense. hopefully it'll also be unity as the sentiment. >> we thank you for that report. >> joining me now is the retired army general and msnbc analyst. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> you heard the heavy police presence expected at tomorrow's rally. is there any concern you might have of copycat crimes here,

copycat attacks, there or even close to home? >> we've seen violence here before. let's not forget 9/11. let's not forget the boston marathon bombing. we're paying a great deal of attention to internal security, and maybe just as important is something we have in the united states they don't necessarily have in france, and that's upward social and economic mobility. you've got millions of disaffected young, unemployed muslims, who are not part of the mainstream. it's not surprising that you get this kind of violence as a result of -- at least partially as a result of all that. they're susceptible to get recruited to do outrageous things like this. >> the brothers that may have been trained abroad and come back, how does the united states respond and how can other

countries learn from france in other instances? >> we have people over there right now to find out what they did, how well they did in all that. we'll go to the reports and exchange information. we exchange a great deal of information all the time with other countries, intelligence institutions. here, we pay attention to people we suspect, groups we suspect. we keep an eye on them, physically look at them. now, social media, we can also listen to them. we think we do a pretty good job of keeping an eye on these people. don't forget in europe, they have something we don't have here, and that is open borders. if you're in france, you can go just about anywhere else in the eu and vice versa. it's difficult to track here. >> we're looking at a picture of the female suspect, boumediene, still on the run. reports she may have traveled to syria on january 2nd. was not there at the grocery

store during her significant other's attack. >> the truth is the first casualty of war, as they say, information is difficult to obtain. it's really accurate. i find it difficult to believe that that is the case. if it is the case, it means that the -- the real skill that the french showed, tactical skill, in paris, eliminating the terrorists. with little collateral damage, relatively speaking. fire power, bad guys dead and few others killed. it was the terrorists who killed the hostages. it's really badly balanced if what happened was, the french didn't -- lost the bubble and didn't catch an opportunity to prevent anybody from leaving france who shouldn't leave, like her. my guess is, she's still in

france or some place in the eu. >> how could that come up after this time, and knowing the intelligence is there and what they know about her previously, or what they knew about her previously, and then all of a sudden, this possibility, this report that we're still waiting to confirm? >> it raises an ancillary question, not just what about her, but what about the two brothers who, one spent time in jail for terrorist acts. both of them went to yemen. at least one of them got military training. i think they both did. they knew about these people for a long, long time and, yet, they were still able to conduct this terrorist attack. i think it says a great deal about the following. it's not good enough to know. you real will haly have to be a act. acting on the information is what it's about. >> there's been discussion drawing parallels between the brothers there and the instance

with the boston bombing. boston was locked down when they were searching for tsarnaev. what are the lessons learned, as far as the search for tsarnaev and the outcome in paris? >> we'll get a lot from the after action reports in france. it raises an interesting issue. any policeman will tell you, by and large, you'll get your best information from tips. from the public, who were paying attention. that's what happened in the case in boston. it's what happened in this particular case. >> do you think the tips might come from boumediene, with reports she's been in contact with the significant others of the brothers, the females have been communicating? >> one of the down signs about having dead terrorists rather than live ones in custody is you don't have the opportunity to cross examine them and get information about other cells, future operations and so on. my guess is to paraphrase in

casa blanca, they'll round up the usual suspects. there are going to be usual suspects who will be arrested and interrogated and information will come from that. it's one of the other things we'll learn. >> lot of lessons learned and improvements when it comes to european intelligence. >> we hope. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. coming up here, a look at another big story. is mitt romney considering a third run for the white house? e. but here's the thing: about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and remember, you only take it when you need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury,

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an update on the breaking news we've been following here on msnbc. reports involving the female suspect if the france terror attacks. french media reporting hayat boumediene may have traveled to syria before the attacks occurred. a turkish official said she crossed through the country. none of these reports have been confirmed but we'll continue to dig into it and bring you the latest.

now to politics, mitt romney says he's seriously considering a third run for the white house. he made comments to donors in new york city but didn't give a timetable for his decision. joining me now, the bureau chief and also, jonathon. is romney really going to jump into the race again? >> what's for real is, according to someone i talked to that is close to the romney thought process, and can help analyze this evolving situation, is we don't know if he's going to get in because he doesn't know, but is he definitely considering it? that's news and that's the story now. he has been getting in a little late, and we can talk about that. he has not reassembled the band yet, but what he's doing now is talking to donors in order to stop people from making commitments, especially to

governor chris christie and former governor bush. >> let's see where he goes from there. jonathan, we've seen the sound bite comparisons where he's pretty much said the same thing, same clothing and shirt sometimes. how can he make this campaign difference from the previous two other times? >> it's tough. you have to go back to 1956, when stevenson was nominated by the republican party for a second time. he lost twice to dwight eisenhower. normally in american politics in the last 60 years, you don't get a second chance if you get the nominations. if you lose in the primaries, you can come back and ptry agai, but not in the general election. romney still has a lot of friends inside the republican party, and he has tremendous fund raisiing ability. if he gets in, it's a problem

for jeb bush. he was going to dispatch chris christie quickly, suck up the big money in the republican party early on, asphyxiate chris christie in terms of money, and he'd be the only establishment candidate against a divided field of super conservatives, right wingers. now it's complicated by romney. >> sure. >> bush's path to the nomination got a lot tougher. >> absolutely. especially when it comes to money and donors. the biggest competition could be jeb bush. here's what the "wall street journal" wrote. romney and bush, should they both run, would contend for many of the same donors who favor pro-business candidates from the party's establishment wing. who would the powerful donors support? is it torn between two lovers for them? >> in the beginning, it's not unknown to try to give a few thousands to both to stay in the game. more than the politics, the

biggest problem as we're discussing is that bush and romney have overlapping donor bases among the wealthiest republicans in the nation. these are the people who can pump money not only into their direct federal presidential campaigns, but they could fund the independent expenditures of super packs that are part of the mainstay now of campaigns. chris christie has been traveling the united states before the 2014 kand candidates. he has a lot of governors who owes him. i don't think that chris christie can survive divvying up the establishment donors for long. i like what john said about the word asphyxiate. that's what he's facing if both men get in. >> let's talk about the risks elspecially for romney. what does he have to lose?

>> az prihis pride. he's already been humiliated. going up right into the evening of election night, he and his people, his wife, his vice presidential candidate, paul ryan, they thought they were going to win bhaecause the pollg was so bad in the romney chaamp. they only carried one battleground state. he risks being humiliated again but he's already been there. he doesn't have much to risk. he has a lot of money so it's not like he's going to go to the poor house if he runs again. i think all the signs are pointing to his running again. he has a guy who is one of the absolute best fundraisers in recent american politics. he will be well funded if he runs. there is a learning curve. you can argue that maybe he won't be as prone to the 47% gaffes, the bindings for women, the things that hurt him in

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welcome back. twist to last year's unrest in ferguson. new lly released records reveal number of missouri's top leaders trying unsuccessfully to force ferguson's police chief to step down in the days leading up to the grand jury's decision. that's according to the associated press, which also reports ferguson's mayor says several meetings were held to

force chief tom jackson to resign, along with officer darren wilson. among the top officials were missouri house senator. jackson, still the chief, drew criticism in the months after the michael brown shooting, for how key information was released and how the situation was handled. joining me now is maria. thank you for being with us. nice to have you with us, as always. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you, were you present at any of the meetings? >> i was not present but i knew about the ongoing negotiation to try to get the police chief out of his position in ferguson. >> and now, i want to bring this to missouri republican house speaker told the associated press that, quote, a substantial part of the conversation centered around trying to get darren wilson resign. prior to the decision of the grand jury. and to get chief jackson to resign, and i didn't have any interest in participating in

that. what's your response to that, and do you know why lawmakers would be against it? >> well, i have to tell you, there are some colleagues of mine who don't understand the issue. they want to understand. in the came of john deal, i think his actions have revealed exactly what position he stands in. i think as the speaker of the house, he has an obligation to understand both sides of the argument. luckily, in the missouri state senate, we have senators who are overwhelmingly wanting to understand the situation. now, if chief jackson had resigned, i either last year or even now, it would relieve a lot of the tension that exists right now. not only in ferguson but in the general area. >> let's bring in the factors. there are several. leading up to the people demanding, especially the protesters. part of it has been his department's decision to release certain details and the timing

of releasing the details. we have video of jackson's press conference where he revealed that brown robbed the convenient store and then said wilson was not aware that brown was a robbery suspect when he encountered him. he was criticized for that. is that the point he should have resigned, or was that too late? >> you know, i have to tell you, that positioning was quite concerning to all of us. it should not have been the proper time to release that information. what protesters and others had been asking for is simply the name of the police officer who shot michael brown. by offering the other information, not only did they lean attention to michael brown in a negative sense, a young man who was dead who could not defend himself anymore, but what they decided to do was muddy his name along with the name of darren wilson. because of that injury that occurred in our community, that is one of the reasons why we wanted chief jackson to resign. we want him to resign right now.

>> of course, that hasn't happened. talk about that. do you think his resignation early on would have changed the tone of the protests and how? >> absolutely. again and again, there have been so many mistakes on the part of the governor, obviously, on the part of bob mcculloch, our prosecuting attorney, and chief jackson and the mayor and city counsel in ferguson. at every point of the way, if there was any action that would take away some of the pain and the hurt and the anger, it would have relieved some of that tension. it is natural to have a lot of anger after you see a young man black in the streets for four and a half hours, and then you see people who are either appointed or elected into their offices, and they perform in a reckless manner. so that is why we are trying to find resolve, but what it takes is a lot of cooperation on the part of not only the speaker of

the house but also members of the full general assembly. i can tell you now, as i mentionmention ed before, there are open ears on the missouri state senate side where my colleagues are asking for protesters and others to please try to communicate with them on the specific needs they want and how they want to change statutes and laws in the state of missouri. >> do you think the fact that ferguson hasn't been the top headlines in the news as of late, that this may change, and that he may never resign now? >> here's what i have to say. we started our new session, the 2015 legislative session this week. it has been at the front lines of conversation. yes, the media has left, but let we tell you, the conversations are going on every single day. there are a group of people who met yesterday. there are groups of people i talk to all the time who want to

seek change. whoo we' what we're finding out is there are a lot of people that didn't understand the legislative process. how do you schedule an event? what we are in the process of doing is teaching, reteaching, civic engagement. how do you communicate with your legislators at the state level. we've tried to do as much as possible at the local level. we are only in session for five months every single year. right now, the focus needs to go from the street to the state rutledlegislatur legislature. that is done in a professional way and well thought out. this is one of the best ways for us to change the policy so it benefits people who have been injured and not allow for cases like michael brown to occur again and again without justice being served. one of those things obviously is to have a special prosecuting attorney. >> we thank you for being with us.

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