world leaders locking arms and walking through paris. was there enough security? and what will this show of solidarity accomplish? on the run, the search for the fourth terror suspect. did she escape to syria? plus guns not bombs. a striking change in the weapon of choice for terrorists in western europe. good day, everyone, it's high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. it was an extraordinary sight. hundreds of thousands of people and more than three dozen foreign leaders filling the streets of paris this morning to honor the victims of this week's terrorist attacks. the crowd could be heard chanting je juis charlie. world leaders met before the march to attend a security summit. eric holder who was among the attendyes announced a high-level

antiterrorism meeting would be held in washington next month. the head of hezbollah says extremists acting in the name of islam are doing more harm to the religion than any cartoon. and reuters reports they condemn the paris attacks saying there was no justification for killing innocents. french authorities are continuing their pursuit of this woman, she is suspected of being an accomplice of one of the attackers. there are reports she's not in france and maybe in syria. and a propaganda video of the man that attacked the paris supermarket. he pledges his support to isis. nbc news has not yet verified when or where this video was produced. first up for more on the rally, ron allen joins us from paris where it is now 6:00 p.m. ron, tell me about the crowd there. >> reporter: well we're about three into this march from the time it officially began.

i can tell you here in this plaza, there were people here early this morning. it started building hours before the march. and in the french media, i'm seeing reports of 2 million people. of course that's not confirmed. and we don't know how many millions or hundreds of thousands are out here. but the streets of paris between here and the destination for the march is about two miles away are still packed. this has been going on for several hours. and i suspect it's going to go long into the night. there are people here literally from all over the world. from all over the world. a huge nigerian flag here a little while ago. there are flags from turkey. it's sort of like united nations game of can you identify the flags. i see turkey, i see iraq. i see france, of course. i see people from brazil. that's what we've been experiencing here and talking to people and meeting people in the crowd. everyone saying that today for the most part france has become

something of the capital of the world. you said that there are foreign leaders here. we've seen numbers as many as -- as many as 50 or so. eric holder was here representing the united states of course, along with the french ambassador, the united states ambassador to france. there are still people chanting and cheering. the crowds moving through the streets have been remarkably calm. i've yet to hear of any sort of violence or any kind of police incident. i've seen a couple of ambulances making their way through the crowd. people overcome for whatever reason. it's been an emotional day. it's been an electric day. it continues. of course, this is a country that has some deep issues to deal with in terms of different communities getting along. the jewish community here feels under siege, particularly because four of their citizens were lost in the gruesome attack on the market by one of the suspects, one of the gunmen and the attacks the other day. we are hearing there have been meetings with the french authorities, with the jewish leaders in the community. they have been promised that

they will be taken care of there'll be protection for synagogues and mosques. synagogues and schools. on the other side of the equation. one side or the other. but in the muslim community here, a lot of concerns about backlash, reprisals. talking about a young man of nigerian descent. he says he came here to show unity. but for a long time the muslim community has felt marginalized. and that may increase going forward because of these attacks. so a lot on this community's mind. a lot of reflection. a lot of soul searching here. today, a day of beauty a day of celebration, a lot of families out, a lot of positivity. but, of course going forward, a lot of very tough issues to be resolved. >> perhaps a silver lining to a dark cloud that's descended upon france. thank you very much. well, as all of you can imagine, there are a lot of security measures. 5,000 police and military officers have been mobilized in

paris. over 1,300 military 2,000 police officers are all protecting the sensitive sites in paris as well as surrounding areas. 150 police officers providing security for those heads of state that ron was talking about in that rally. and 20 teams of anti-criminal brigades will be responsible for detecting people at risk. joining me now from the end of that march. nbc news producer chapman bell. chapman, let's get an idea what things are like where you are. it appears things are calming down, people are going home. >> well, alex, actually, the crowd behind me at the end of this march still filled with people. and looking up the road to the start of this march, people are still coming in. i'm looking at a television, a french tv through the window of a bar in front of me. and it says 2.5 million people are taking to the streets today. and that's according to french tv. as i said people are continuing to come into this area the end of the march.

noises and applause every now and then. but it's a range of emotions really here at this march. it's not a celebration per se. it's also a memorial of the people who were killed over those three horrible days here in paris. i spoke to a couple of people earlier and asked them what brought them here to this march. and they said they're here in solidarity. but they said they still are not convinced everything is over. but it's important to be here. because freedom of speech and freedom of expression is something the french people hold dear. continuing to come, the two miles between here and the start of this march must still be filled with people. and if this report on french tv are correct, 2 1/2 million people have taken to the street today in solidarity. and in unity for france. >> yeah. and i have to say, on a personal note, among them my brother and my niece who live there in paris. and it's been interesting hearing their reports from the scene, as well.

chapman, with regard to security, that was my intro to you, and the overwhelming presence there. we p didn't talk about the 54 snipers, i believe placed on rooftops around the initial start of the march. is it very obvious to you. do you see heavy police or military presence there? >> in the -- in the square behind me there are police armed with automatic weapons and in flak jackets. we were walking around earlier before the march started. and you do see a police presence. there's been a helicopter every now and then over my head. but along this parade route, it's very minimal. you actually don't see many police officers here. however, there were multiple routes to this square. three, in fact. and the one behind me is where the dig teardignitaries and the heads of state were. it remains mostly peaceful. >> good. that is great to hear there. thank you so much, chapman. let's get more on the

propaganda video preparing to show. he's the chief information officer for flashpoint global partners. with a welcome to you. i want to reiterate nbc news has yet to verify the authenticity of this video. that said, from what you've seen seen let's take a look at it. we're going to have our director throw this up here and take a look at what we see, which is someone who appears to be in the traditional muslim dress. he's got a bulletproof vest. he's defending attacks, promoting more violence. give me your analysis. >> there's a number of interesting things about this video. this individual pledges allegiance to the leader of isis. what's so interesting about this, everything we've been hearing so far is about the brothers and their ties to aqap. i think a lot of people out there may not necessarily understand there's difference

between isis and al qaeda. the groups hate each other, they despise each other. and the people claiming credit for this attack are the people that isis has called out and said they're miserable individuals. the question is how can you have a terrorist attack where you have part of the attack claimed by al qaeda and part of it isis and these two groups hate each other? something else interesting about this video. this video was not an official isis video. it was posted on an isis chat forum, but not produced by isis. it was produced by somebody in france. it's in french. and although he speaks aus in arabic, it's not in arabic. this guy is french. he's not a foreigner, per se. he spent a long time in france. he's been radicalized in france. his arabic knowledge of arabic is very poor. this is not somebody who should be considered a well-schooled

scholar in jihad or isis or anything else. >> okay. so can anybody post on an isis or jihadist website? one question the other one being, you bring up the point here they claim to be part of aqap, and then the video that says we're part of isis. does that make them wannabes? do we believe they were schooled and educated and supported, at least in theory by people who are members of al qaeda? >> well as for your first question, about the forum. as it turns out, where this video was initially posted any registered user can post this, right? now the video was moved into a specific area of this site that is dedicated to official isis releases. but it wasn't posted by an isis courier. it was posted by an ordinary user. who produced this video? who recorded this video? because the video appears to have been produced and recorded and includes details of the actual attacks carried out after -- >> huh. >> after the siege at the french kosher market.

now, obviously he did not produce this video. who produced it? it's in french. it's not in arabic. all the kyrons the lettering, it's all in french. somebody who speaks french produced this video. >> okay. now, he apparently pledges his support to isis. they say they act on behalf of aqap. >> sure. look look -- we know the fact that at least one of the brothers was in yemen in 2011. it appears he may have met with anwar al alaqi. and supposedly he received financing for this operation. now, i think one of the questions we'll have to ask is if he gave him financing in 2011 for a terrorist attack in france and these individuals have been back in france for years, why the delay? why has it taken so long? and perhaps this goes into the question of how can two different individuals claim credit on behalf of two different groups? two groups that hate each other. and maybe the answer is that this attack was not as closely

coordinated as these individuals would like us to believe. >> can i ask you quickly, did you see any specific threats against the rallies today? >> no there have not been a lot of threats. i think a lot of people have been focused right now, at least in the jihadi universe in trumping the successes that these guys claimed to have achieved. and look, i think they're looking for the next attack. and i think one of the things we have to look out for here is that there may be copycats. even if there are not individuals who have been assigned by aqap or isis or directly in league with the kouchi brothers. there are copy cats out there. there are people who would love to take advantage of this and carry out a small scale attack and make a name for themselves. and i think that's one of the biggest concerns we're looking at here. not just in france either but in other european countries. less likely but potentially here in the united states. >> okay. sobering, thank you very much. one of the survivors of the grocery store attack in paris is being called a hero today.

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french tv network bfntv spoke with one of the heroes of the friday siege in central paris. a muslim employed at the market led several customers to safety by hiding them in a walk-in freezer when a gunman stormed the market on friday. a french newspaper reports today that president hollande phoned him to thank him for his heroism. four hostages were killed on friday before police stormed the building killing the gunman. before today's massive rally, the french interior ministry held a meeting. intelligence and law enforcement

officials from around the world attended that meeting, and that includes eric holder. they discussed ways to combat and contain terrorism in the wake of this week's terrorist attacks. this morning on "meet the press," holder made clear the goal is to stop attacks like this from happening again. >> we are at war with terrorists who commit these heinous acts and who use islam. they use a corrupted version of islam to justify their actions. we are bound and determined to hold them accountable, to find them wherever they are. >> let's go right to nbc white house correspondent kristen welker. and with a welcome, i know the white house is planning a summit next month on the 18th of february to counter this violent extremism around the world. >> one of the key focuses of that summit is going to be how to crack down on foreign fighters. it is believed that the paris attackers were foreign fighters. the definition of that westerners who travel to the middle east. in this case yemen to get trained to come back and wage an

attack on their western homeland. and, of course, in this case that was paris. it's believed there are about 3,000 westerners who had fallen into that dproir. maybe as many as 100 americans, alex. it underscores the fact that while isis is a big threat right now gooid's al qaeda's affiliates -- eric holder said that while the core of al qaeda has largely been decimated its affiliates continue to be a big problem. take a listen to what he had to say about that. >> the threat now really, i think, comes from al qaeda affiliates. and chief among them would be al qaeda on the arabian peninsula. and i think that we have had an impact on them. but they still remain a very viable threat. they have the ability to inspire people around the world unfortunately. they have explosives, experts in al qaeda on the arabian peninsula, and a capacity there unmatched. >> reporter: alex the attorney general also underscored the

fact that at this point in time there are no known threats against the united states. now, in addition to that that you talked about coming up next month, president obama's going to host david cameron at the white house for a two-day summit at the end of this week. and they're going to talk about ways to combat terrorism and foreign fighters at that summit as well. alex? >> kristen, i want to ask about the attorney general who did not attend the rally. and i have heard some expressing dismay on the behalf of networks and journalists saying that. the ambassador to france did attend. why wasn't there more of a u.s. presence there? >> well the united states feels as though there was a u.s. presence as you pointed out. the ambassador to france was there. attorney general eric holder was attending these high-level meetings all day long. the white house underscoring the fact that, look, president obama did spend a large part of this week, not only staying on top of the investigation in france but also expressing the united states solidarity with france

of course, he visited the french embassy. he reached out on the day of the attacks to president francois hollande. but those questions will continue at 1:00 this afternoon, alex, there's going to be a rally at the french embassy here in washington, d.c. so certainly, you'll see some emotions running high at that event. >> indeed, we will, thank you. ahead, we'll have more where estimates are as high as 200 million people have gathered to condemn the terrorist attacks this week. you'll hear from those in the crowd about why it was so important to come out.

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nations all came together in solidarity following these terror attacks that killed 17 people. let's bring in ronan farrow host of "ronan farrow daily." and welcome to you. one thing you do so well is talk to people right there live on the scene. let's have you do that. i'm curious about what people are telling you there. >> absolutely alex. well, you know right off the top, everyone's reacting to the news everywhere i go. people want to know what's the latest. we're hearing from the ministry of the interior just in the last hour this is what they're calling unprecedented, and certainly historically that appears to be the case. numbers vary. french media as you mentioned running with the claim that this may be up to 2.5 million people across france taking to the streets. the ministry saying for now over 700,000. we'll be keeping track of that of course, with a crowd like this, difficult to estimate very precisely. and what you said is the case. this is all about the people on the ground. there are world leaders here. but this is sustained by a diverse group that's not just

from here in paris, but from all around the world. coming together, both to live through the pain of some of the rifts that this has revealed. but also to move beyond them. i want to see how people are feeling right now having spent the day in this crowd. how is everybody feeling? how's the day been for you guys? a lot of positive impressions there. people saying this has been very peaceful, civil. and what is your name? >> my name is crystal, and i have a dual citizenship, american/french. and today, for me it's about unity and a site on france being the center of the world today. about freedom, freedom of speech speech which could not be stolen away from us. it's a right and we won't give it up at any cost. >> do you have a message for the world leaders gathered here? we're hearing more than 45 heads of state. >> to unite. to unite in the struggle to fight terrorism and to unite for freedom of speech for freedom of

speech. >> and alex that's exactly the sentiment that we've heard throughout the day, throughout this crowd despite the fact that there are flags from just about everywhere in the world flying right next to each other. we haven't seen any evidence. certainly no violence. this was a very very big security target as you might imagine. and yet, it seems to have gone off, so far, without a hitch. >> yeah. which, ronan, i have to say must have been in the backs of people's minds as to how safe they would be. i said earlier on the air that my brother lives in paris and he and my niece were heading out to the rally. and i couldn't help but think, oh, they're safe. did people express concern for their safety? >> concerns about safety and always hanging over this. concerns about some of the underlying causes of the charlie hebdo attacks. a lot of talk today about some of the problems and the rifts in the society here and, indeed around europe.

a lot of talk about islamaphobia. i was in a jewish neighborhood earlier where jewish shop owners were barring their doors and windows, locking the doors and windows, looking out suspiciously at potential customers fearing for their security after the attack. one of which was on a jewish supermarket. the tensions in french society are real. but what i've seen in this crowd, and i was in the thick of it for some time alex that people want very very deeply to move beyond that. >> well understood. okay ronan farrow thank you very much for that. we'll see you next hour. now joining me from paris, christopher dickey. what's your impression of what you have seen today? >> well you know i was out there in the crowd, as well. and i think is a great feel good moment at a time when people are shaken and deeply disturbed by the events of the last few days. but what the lasting effect of this will be, i don't know.

i don't feel it's likely to have a huge impact going forward. i don't think the unity that they're talking about is going to hold up. i think that the fear is going to linger. i think if there is another attack any time soon then we now know that is perfectly possible. it will have a really shattering effect on french and in a larger spectrum, european society. so i think we're at a very, very delicate moment. and it's a little bit like it was after 9/11. you know i was in new york at 9/11, and you didn't know what was going to come next. well, that's the feeling now, except that you do have the feeling something bad could come at any moment. so i think it's great that everybody's out there getting together there is a great feeling of solidarity. but the french love to go out in the street they love to demonstrate. it's a thing the french people do. and it's a great almost a party moment. but two days from now, a week

from now we don't know how people are going to feel. we don't have any idea. >> you know, interestingly, though, the effect on people who would choose to do ill and horrible, heinous acts like this, the way it was demonstrated this week. when you have leaders in both hamas and hezbollah, essentially denouncing what was done. i mean that innocence need not be killed that isn't the point of this. might that not have an effect on those that want to be these lone wolves or any organized cells to -- >> well first of all, first of all, alex they're not lone wolves. the allegiance of these terrorists is a little bit confused because one set said their allegiance was with al qaeda and the arabian peninsula. and the other man in the grocery store said his allegiance was to -- so all of that's confused. whether it's al qaeda or islamic

state, those groups are opposed to hamas and, indeed, to very much opposed to hezbollah. i don't think we can lump all these groups together. hezbollah is under threat from those threatgroups all the time. they're at war with them in syria. it isn't surprised hezbollah would come out against this kind of action and say, look, we're on the side of unity with everybody else because, in fact the people involved are claiming allegiance to hezbollah's enemies. it's a complicated and extremely dangerous world of islamic extremism. and i think the guys that carried out these atrocities i don't think they would care at all there's a huge demonstration going on. and i don't think that the people behind them care at all except to the extent that it gives them global publicity. and that it does do. >> it does do indeed. christopher, like you i was in new york on 9/11. and the immediate aftermath i was down at ground zero and the like reporting on all of that. and it did feel different.

but what has absolutely happened was change. in terms of security. the city's never been the same. things about the way we travel are flying. it's never been the same since. what kind of impact do you expect there in france? will there be changes that will be felt broadly? >> well i think it's not going to be just in france. i think there's going to be a lot more serious discussion europe wide about what measures can be taken. and i think there's going to be a breaking down of some of the barriers to infringement of civil liberties. i think, for instance, there's an active discussion about the possibility of preventive detention. what do you do when you've got characters like the kouachi brothers, and were involved with deeply suspicious and dangerous

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42 past with the breaking news. telling the "associated press" today's unity rally in paris was the largest demonstration in french history. it was all about a show of defiance and honoring the victims. 17 people were killed by the acts of terror in paris between wednesday and friday. the four men who were killed friday in the grocery store

shooting inging were jewish. today, the four will be buried on tuesday in israel. 3,000 people attended a vigil last night outside of that supermarket which catered to the jewish clientele. members of the french-jewish community were joined by their muslim neighbors for the vigil. also being remembered, the 12 people killed wednesday at the office of the satirical newspaper "charlie hebdo," and a female police officer shot as she stopped to investigate a traffic accident. i want to bring in a "daily beast" contributor and a fellow at the foreign policy initiative. james, you wrote in the "daily beast" a piece called, do jews have a future in france? here's the quote. an assault on jews would follow an assault on cartoonists came as no surprise. there was a grim if not explicitly expressed forboding on the french satirical newspaper that the jews would come next. here's the end quote there. why wasn't this attack at the kosher grocery store a surprise to you?

>> because i think islamists have been at war with jews for decades. and certainly in france this is not new. you have attacks going back many years against jewish targets. three years ago there was, sorry, two years ago, there was a horrible attack on a jewish school, in which children were murdered. several years before that, a young jewish man was captured and tortured over the course of several weeks. and there's too many events to mention, really over the past 15, 20 years. i hate to say this but it really did not surprise me that something like this would've happened. >> yeah. i'm going to have my director throw up a full screen that shows a couple of other incidents that you didn't mention just so people get the idea of this and the extent to which this is an issue. why are the jewish people in france facing these types of dangers, though? what's behind it? >> i think it's islamism.

and i think it's very obvious. we have to be clear in stating that. and actually i have to correct you. in your last segment, you said hamas and hezbollah condemned the attacks. they condemned the attacks on "charlie hebdo," not the jewish supermarket. >> you're right. >> which is important to note. these organizations are constitutionally committed to the murder of jewish people around the world and they have been for many years. and so this is a problem within islam. it's between the majority of islamic people who are peaceful and want no war against jews. but a significance in violence minority that does. and ultimately this is going to have to be a battle within the islamic faith. >> this cannot have gone unnoticed by the french government. what do they do about it? what are the suggestions? what can they do? >> i think there needs to be stronger counterterrorism measures. and as i understand it, these assailants were known to french authorities before. in fact, one or two of them had

been arrested. so why they weren't being monitored by the intelligence authorities in france is an open question. and i think you're going to be seeing more -- much, much harsh harsher antiterrorism measures including surveillance, certainly among those. >> and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu says french jews who feel endangered can find sanctuary in israel. your article points out there's been a flight of jews from france moving back to israel. but what can be done to make things safer overall in both places? i mean, let's face it. >> i think this ask a very difficult question. and this is really europe's shame. you would think that after 6 million were systematically murdered in the holocaust that things like this wouldn't happen anymore. but, unfortunately, that's not the case. the challenge is different now. it's not coming from governments. i don't think -- no one expects there's going to be sort of

state sanctions anti-semitism in europe. it's coming from a large muslim minority. it's not really a far right problem either. i think a lot of people want to pretend this is sort of a phantom -- a sort of neo-nazi threat in europe. it's not. there are neo-nazis and far right people in europe, and they're bad characters. i'm not defending them. but if you look at the attacks in europe certainly the violent ones, almost exclusively coming from the muslim community. >> my producer has said wrap in my ear twice, this is going to be quick. you heard christopher dickey saying he doesn't feel much is going to change. but when you see benjamin netanyahu and mahmoud abbas walking in solidarity do you think there could be more of a push for peace? >> well mahmoud abbas is someone who locks up his own journalists, palestinian journalists. he wrote his ph.d. dissertation on holocaust denial. seeing him march is well and

good i'm not sure how genuine it is. it's nice to see them you know they are quite far apart in that row of leaders. it's nice to see them in the same kind of linking arms, but i wouldn't put too much hope this is going to lead to peace in the middle east. >> i appreciate a discussion. thank you. ahead, how do you keep an estimated 2 1/2 million people safe from terrorists who are not afraid to die? the security concerns surround surrounding the unity rally in paris next. based on 6 different criteria... why did a panel of 11 automotive experts... ... name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons the all-new volkswagen golf starting at $17,995. there's an award winning golf for everyone. this is the equivalent of the sugar in one regular soda. and this is one soda a day over an average adult lifetime. but there's a better choice.

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the rallies in paris are a bold statement in defiance of terror, but also pose major security challenges for police and intelligence agencies. and joining me now, clint vanzant. clint, this is really an amazing thing. you have dozens of heads of state walking through the middle of the city through the middle of as many as 2 1/2 million people. they have no cover. these pictures made us nervous to watch. how about you? >> yeah, same thing. you know, when we have, for example, maybe an inauguration

in the united states, we take our time we move people through metal detectors. on new year's eve and new york city people have to get their hours in advance. anybody and anything could've come into this. and i understand we had snipers on the roof. we had thousands of police officers and military. but that doesn't -- that can't stop everybody. and when we're told that terrorist cell groups have been activated that they've been told to go out and kill police. police are told to carry a gun 24 hours a day because your life's in danger. if the life of an ordinary police officer is in danger what does that say about this group of international dignitaries? >> do you think it's potentially because of this that the president may have been advised he should not attend today's rally? >> i think it was probably a good idea that he didn't. there are others that are going

to demand that he should've been there, you know. you can't be superman. you can't be every place at one time. he sent the attorney general, the attorney general's going to be there for another meeting already. but our challenge is there are so many of these radicalized islamic cells, terrorist groups. i heard you speak yesterday of boca haram. the group that kidnapped the hundreds of schoolgirls last year. as you know last week they wiped out an entire village, burned it to the ground killed 2,000 men, women and children. this is all over the world. it can't just be an individual fight on terrorism. it is to be a war on terrorism. and we have to understand, that war is in our future alex. >> i'm glad you brought that up. the boca haram situation. that's not getsing the inggetting the attention it deserves. the arsenal that terrorists carried with them. they had the ak-47 assault

rifles handguns grenades a rocket launcher even. so this piece argues that this is part of a trend. terrorists moving a ie inging away from the bombs and to more personal guns and rifles. are you seeing this as well? >> yeah very much so. part of it is attributable to the breakup of the former soefviet union. guns by the hundreds of thousands have gone on the black market. with the open borders in europe now, it's relatively easy to smuggle guns. i've heard people say, well wait a minute france has such wonderful laws against guns. sure, you can't walk up and say i'd like to register an ak-47, but if you got the money, you can buy it on a black market and, look, the individual who was killed in the grocery store who many believe was actually the master mind on this whole situation when the police raided an apartment, he had yesterday, they found grenades they found dynamite explosives, bomb-making materials. what i'm surprised with, alex,

is the amount of explosives the two dead brothers and the other individuals had, why they didn't blow themselves up when the authorities came charging in. i think we're very fortunate. but what we see are these small cells going to weapons. automatic weapons, rocket launchers, grenades as opposed to bombs because guns are easier than building a bomb. >> well and i'm going to add the the balkans, north africa that has allowed them access. thousand do you stop that? >> well, there are so many things that it's hard to stop. like the underwear bomber who we know tried to detonate himself in the sky. the reason that bomb didn't go off is because he had the -- it's a terrible thing to say, he had the same underwear on for over two weeks with that bomb inside of it and the bomb the chemical bomb degraded. well terrorists are saying, well you know we're not that adept at something like this.

all you've got to do is pull the trigger on the ak-47, and for the last week you've had the entire world's attention. what i think we've seen in paris is kind of a schematic that terrorists are going to look at and say, you know what we like bombs, but automatic weapons, goes on longer gets more attention, it's easier to do. i'm afraid we're seeing the next wave of weapons that terrorists are going to use against us. >> clint always good to talk with you. thank you so much. >> thank you. ahead in our next hour we'll have more from the streets of paris where dozens of foreign dignitaryies walked along civilians in a unified condemnation of extremist violence. could this be a tipping point towards peace? and an american cartoonist all too familiar with being threatened for his work. discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual.

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it is a cry for freedom. dozens of world leaders show the way in today's dramatic march in paris. an extraordinary event amid extraordinary security. was it enough to keep everyone safe? it was a message sent en masse, a turn-up of about 2 1/2 million people. will it make a difference to extremists that just want to kill? analysis straight ahead. and it's a likely political showdown in the states. how will it play out in the battle for the white house? hello, everyone welcome to "weekends with alex witt." and here's what's happening right now. it was an extraordinary sight as many as 2 1/2 million people and more than three dozen foreign leaders filling the streets of paris this morning to honor the victims of this week's terrorist attacks. a french official has said it was the largest demonstration in french history.

the crowd could be heard chanting we are charlie in the memory of the 12 people killed at the office of the newspaper headquarters charlie hebdo. and metattorney general eric holder among the attendees announced a high-level antiterrorism meeting would be held in washington next month. french authorities are continuing their pursuit of this woman, she is suspected of being an accomplice with one of the attackers. there are some media reports, she's no longer in france and may already be in syria. and a propaganda video by the gunman who attacked the paris supermarket has come to light. in this video, the gunman pledges his support to isis. nbc news has yet to verify when where or under what circumstances this video was produced. joining me now ron allen from paris, and ron, you've been with the crowd all day, in fact all this weekend. some are going home. but not many it seems. there are a bunch of people there behind you. >> yes, and this is just the

beginning of the march, alex. and yes, there are people gathering here but people have been gathering here every night. this has become the headquarters of the beginning, the middle the end of the protests the demonstrations, the rallies, that have taken place over the past five days or so. yes, and there's still people making their way along the route. it's about 2 miles down to the plaza where you said 2 1/2 million, the french government is saying that basically we don't know. and we can't count it because there's just -- it's just impossible to count. and the situation here they say is unprecedented in french history. there's never been a march this big or quite like this. because all along the route, there are people joining the march and people gathering at both ends of it. and people probably out here all night. i don't feel any sense of the energy -- i don't feel things dying down. it's just been a steady, emotional, electric day that had

been remarkably calm in some respects, as well. we've not heard thunderous speeches. it's not been a rally. it's been a lot of people walking very very slowly. it's a route that you could probably walk in about 20 to 25 minutes on a normal day. but when you're literally walking very very -- there was a time on this square for example, where you could not -- you couldn't move. it was so packed with people. but interestingly there and the good news is that there have not been any incidents reported. violence, problems, confrontations confrontations, and people have been remarkably cordial here. and we've been talking to people, meeting people, and they're all saying so much the same thing that we are charlie, we want freedom. we want democracy, we want to live in peace. and it's been a very unusual extraordinary day, and i was thinking before we went on of what to compare it to. and i can't think of anything to compare it to. it's just been a very unique experience. the last five days for example,

just think of the emotion that the shock that just riveted this nation when the magazine was assaulted and 12 people were killed there, including a police officer. then the next day, more and more this manhunt and these hostage sieges and more. 17 citizens killed altogether. and then this. it's just been quite a time for this country. and it'll be interesting to see where france is in the weeks and months ahead. because as we've been saying throughout all of this there are very deep divisions, serious problems between the various communities here. it's a diverse community. international country. and there are real serious problems with immigrants arriving from north africa from the middle east the jewish community here feels completely under siege. there have been incredible numbers of jews leaving the country in recent years because they feel under attack. now the government is promising synagogues and schools will be protected and that the communities will live safely. but people probably are still

going to think about staying here and i would suspect that many will leave. on the other side of the equation, the muslim communities, they feel there's going to be a backlash. there have been about a dozen or so incidents reported of violence directed at mosques and in the communities here. and people feel completely marginalized and dissolutioned by disillusioned in some cases. but for now people want to celebrate this moment and saver it tonight in paris. >> a very insightful report. thank you so much for that ron allen. appreciate it. as you can all imagine, there are a lot of security measures being taken for today's rally, 5,000 police and military officers have been mobilized in paris, over 1,300 military and 2,000 police officers are protecting some sensitive sites in paris and the surrounding areas. 150 police officers providing security for those heads of state, and 20 teams of

anticriminal brigades. joining me now from the outskirts of that rally, chapman bell. show me what it's like where you are. are you close to the end point of the rally? >> reporter: alex yes, i am. it's just behind me here. and crowds are still coming in as people leave, people continue to arrive. it's been a celebration of freedom here, freedom of expression. >> unfortunately, looks like we've lost that connection with chapman bell. that's okay. we thank him for that. but let's get joined right now by michael kaye a former adviser on the uk's ministry of defense. and steven clemens, washington editor at large, that is for "the atlantic." good to see you both. i'm going to reach out to you first, you're right here with me in studio. we are seeing these incredible pictures from paris today. it supports free speech. however controversial it may be. and i know this is something you've been thinking about.

the culture in europe of the biting satire which seems to exceed that which we have in the states. >> yeah there's definitely been a lot of talk about "charlie hebdo" and what it stands for. we've government to go back to the 1960s that's where the genesis came. and it's always important to keep refocusing on the fact that it didn't just target the muslim population. it targeted catholicism. but more broadly, europe and the uk. satire and humor has been a long standing within that community for decades. you just have to look at publications like private i, like the british equivalent of "charlie hebdo." that's been mocking global leaders and celebrities for over 50 years. and you know treading a thin line between what we regard as satire and humor and stepping over the mark. there was another show in the uk in the' 90s called "spitting

image," and that was effectively a lot of puppets. the royal family got slammed in this. exactly, you can see it coming onscreen now. you have to look at what those puppets indicate. and they're quite offensive. and then when you take on top of that the conversations that go on. the conversations were based on topical issues. so for example, i remember gorbachev and margaret thatcher up on the screen there when the demise of the soviet empire came down spitting image were all over that. and there's the more controversial sort of cartoons that have come out in recent times. i remember the uk's "independent" paper. they published a cartoon of ariel sharon effectively eating a baby. hugely offensive. israel made a complaint to the complaints commission in the uk, which overturned it and actually determined it wasn't anti-semitic anti-semitic. i think it's been part of the culture for many years. in terms of a way of holding global leaders accountable for their actions, but in a way

which is satirical and humorous. >> i remember reading about bill donahue of the catholic league talking about this week's events and how the newspaper, charlie hebdo had drawn these cartoons which he found horribly offensive. depicting priests wearing condoms and nuns pregnant and all sorts of things like that. the newspaper was an equal opportunity offender if we want to put it that way. steven, when you look at the list of leaders marching in paris today. we've got more than a few of them countries where editors of charlie hebdo would have been thrown in jail. egypt, turkey russia algeria, uae, reporters without borders. they put out a statement condemning their presence. is there hypocrisy here? >> well of course, there's hypocrisy. you've got cartoonists in jail right now, al jazeera journalists. if you look broadly in this country, while we may not have journalists in jail, we almost did.

jim risen has been chased by the attorney general. when you look at the horror of what unfolded in paris and what these terrorists did to "charlie hebdo," that's on the extreme edge. but if you look at the film makers, creators of culture, in our own western societies, there's a bit of hypocrisy, too. go hug a journalist hug a cartoonist. because right now that whole industry is under assault. everywhere you look in the world. the whole notion you can create a kind of thought control and control societies by trying to channel or you know, fashion on clamps on to journalists and cartoonists is rampant around the world today. not just in horrible cases like in paris. >> there was an estimated 2,000 western europeans who have gone to syria and iraq to fight. france has been aggressive in preventing people from going in the first place. the uk has stepped up its

measures, as well. how much more can be done? and do you see any scenario under which france might use the military? >> it's a great question alex the military is a last resort when it comes to civil unrest. the question that seems to be coming out at the moment i'm checking on twitter and you're looking at the various dialogues that go on. there's been an enormous show of solidarity today. over 2 1/2 million people marching in france. so what? what does that mean? and i think it's very important from a short-term perspective and a long-term perspective. the short-term perspective is that what it will do is it will show that the government and it will show not just france but countries across europe including the united kingdom and germany. there is popular support to engage in discussion about antiterrorism laws. you rightly pointed out the uk. the uk want to strip citizenship for people that it suspects of coming back from places like syria, back into the uk. now the united nations say you can't do that. but that means that we should have this dialogue.

and i think the marches today will show that there's popular support for that. on the political level, france has elections coming up in 2017. the uk has elections coming up this year. and i think what this will do is this will show political leaders who are posturing for those elections that immigration will now be an immigration issue will be very high on that agenda. historically, it's usually the economy. but i know certainly there was a poll conducted in september of last year that showed the head of the national front in france if an election were to take place in september last year, would've garnered more support. this will only contribute towards the way that they will be posturing towards those elections in 2015 in the uk and 2017 -- >> interesting points you make there. steven, i want to ask you about this, really no presence from the u.s. in today's march other than the u.s. ambassador to france jane hartley. but why do you think that was? do you worry about that? >> i think it was an error. i think the united states should have significant presence there.

eric holder over at the meetings, but he's been trying to deal with the david petraeus. >> he was not at the march. >> and i think it was a significant mistake. you know, this was france's 9/11. this one one of the most powerful cartoons was two pencils held up like the 9/11 tower, the world trade center towers and the airplane going into them. >> that was amazing, that cartoon. >> yeah. >> that cartoon was stunning. and i think this was another focus an ongoing struggle. u.s. intelligence, apparently a report that they've heard, chatter of activating more cells. so we had a long legacy of activities as mikey has talked about and others after 9/11. this is paris' 9/11. the world is watching and the world is saying we're vigilant resilient and we're not going to change. but the united states that counts on these allies when we're dealing with other parts in the world should have been there and it was embarrassing we weren't. >> and to underscore what you're saying the bells of notre dame today were for the fourth time in history.

they toll for an extended long period of time. the first time was at the end of world war i, the third time, when things had calmed somewhat after 9/11 and then again today. so it shows that france at the end of 9/11 -- >> absolutely. >> was honoring our difficult situation and something that would become a global situation, certainly. >> yeah, this was a tremendous lost opportunity. >> i agree. okay. mikey kaye and steven clemens, thank you so much. >> thank you. fears of more attacks has the charlie hebdo assault triggered sleeper cells? and was the attack a failure of counterintelligence? i'll speak with the newly named ranking member of the committee next. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm ♪ here we go, here we go here we go. ♪ fifty omaha set hut ♪ ♪ losing feeling in my toes ♪ ♪ nothing beats that new car smell ♪ ♪ chicken parm you taste so good ♪

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paris where benjamin netanyahu was joined by francois hollande. closed the doors for the first time since world war ii. next month, the white house will host a summit on countering violent extremism. in the meeting announced today, it will focus on looking at pilot programs in place in boston los angeles, and minneapolis. joining me now adam schiff newly named ranking member of the intelligence committee. welcome to you, sir. congratulations on the honor. we're glad you're the head of the intel committee now. >> thank you, alex. >> we have dozens of leaders from countries who have marched through the streets of paris today, sir. the u.s. had no real presence. i was speaking earlier with steven clemens who suggests it sends a bad message from a pr perspective. what do you think? >> well i guess we had the ambassador present there and our president went to the french embassy to sign the condolence book. i think the french understand that we are really shoulder to shoulder with them in this terrible hour of need.

i can't speak to why we didn't have others there besides our american ambassador. but, again, i think the relationship with france is rock solid. i'm a co-chair of our caucus in congress devoted to the french. and i can tell you, this is a deep ally of ours and one that's very well thought of and respected. and i think the feeling is very mutual. >> all right. how about any credible threats you've seen of copycat attacks or other cells activating? >> there's always a credible threat in the wake of events like this. we don't have specific intelligence on that. we don't have specific intelligence that says, for example, that a cell in the united states has been activated as a result. and there's a known time or location or likely location. but the fact of the matter is you know with all of this propaganda out there on the internet now with both aqap and isis celebrating these killings encouraging others to attack we obviously have to be on our guard. i don't think that means we're going to change the threat level here until we have something more specific.

but it is, of course, concerning and when you look at it in the scheme of things with attacks in canada australia, london, now france it's unfortunately a proliferation of these attacks that really has us on edge. >> with all of the assets and technology available though is it reasonable to think that a group of people known by intelligence agencies one of whom who went to prison on terrorism charges could coordinate apparently over several years, the series of high-profile attacks without raising a red flag. i know there are challenges that you must certainly discuss in your committee meetings about how far you can go with respecting an individual's right versus protecting the public. but talk about this. how does it happen? >> well it's very difficult. and i think the problem that france has is even more magnified because they have so many people who have left the country to join the fight. and back home you know, i know there's been a lot of criticism, why did they stop the

surveillance of these brothers given one of them had been convicted in the past of trying to recruit people to join the jihad. and the answer is that when these agents left the surveillance of one of these brothers or both of these brothers, it's not as if they went on vacation. these agents simply moved to surveil others who were considered a higher risk. now, in retrospect, it certainly looks like no one could have been a higher risk than those that engaged in these horrible acts. but i think it points to the problem that france has to confront, and that is they have too many people of interest, too many people of concern not enough resources. and the reality is even though i think, we do a very good job in the united states. as large of a country as we are, as open in society as we are, it's also very difficult for us to keep an eye on everyone who could potentially be a threat. >> claimed in an interview it was ordered and financed directly by al qaeda in yemen, the leader there who was killed in 2011. however, the group has not officially taken any credit for

the attack. they have supported it, though. give me the most likely link that you think exists there. >> well there's general dempsey, i think affirmed this morning, it appears that at least one if not both brothers had traveled to yemen may have received some training. there have been allegations that one of them may have met with alaqi. i think we have to take with a grain of salt. this was part of aqap's target list and they took it on themselves and they want to give credit to aqap. i'm sure would love to have the credit. but this doesn't necessarily mean that there have been ongoing communications over the last several years. it may very well have been that one or both brothers went to yemen, that they were further radicalized, they came back to france, and that something set them off again. and that didn't have to be an explicit instruction. may have been a downturn inner

their lives. it's really hard at this point to know for sure. >> i know representative schiff that you were critical of the aspects of the nsa's met that data program. it goes without saying that europe was critical. do you expect their position to change now? >> i don't know europe's position will change. they want our cooperation, and that was true throughout even the height of the snowden revelations. but i think what we have to try to do in keeping your eye on the ball here is we want to maintain the capabilities that will protect the country and our allies. at the same time, we don't want to unnecessarily intrude on people's privacy. in context of the meta data program, i think what that means for americans, we want the capability, but we don't need the government to hold on to that data about americans who are not involved in terrorism. there's no reason why we can't go to the telephone companies, for example, in the event of concern of attack like this or the aftermath of an attack like this and say we need the data on

who these people, who these numbers have been in contact with. i think there are ways we can get the results we need at the same time maintaining our privacy. >> representative adam schiff always a pleasure sir, thank you so much. >> thanks alex. coming up the challenge the security is facing trying to protect the distinguished world leaders at today's event. curl up with their favorite man. but here's the thing: about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and remember, you only take it when you need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing.

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jeb bush and hillary clinton are expected to be the front runners of the 2016 presidential race. that's if they ultimately decide to jump in. but if they do, both could face tough terrain in the candidacies according to the "washington post." a focus group in colorado by peter hart this week found that voters were tired of political dynasties. but there was one big winner. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. and here's what they write. quote, to this group who spoke in stark terms about the economic challenges of working americans, warren has struck a chord. do you think something like this

can influence senator warren to get in the race? >> hey, thank you very much for having me. there's long been this simmering frustration on the left. a sense that hintdllary clinton is too close to wall street. they want to see someone emerge who speaks more to the populous sentiment. and a lot of people have trained their sights on someone like senator warren. she's been saying she's not going to run. you know, she's focused on doing her job in the senate. this is one more data point, you know, from a consolation of things we've seen emerge from the progressive wing of the party are trying to put on her to get her to reconsider. >> interesting. a couple of responses i want to share from this focus group. first one to bush quote, joke no thank you, clown, don't need him. and to hillary clinton, quote, don't like strong spitfire, untrustworthy, more of the same. so how do either of them campaign against strong sentiments like this? >> well that was some very

interesting data that emerged that you're referencing. it really spoke to the frustration that you know some seem to feel with the sense that there's dynasties in the united states. they don't want to see another bush/clinton match-up. you know, they don't want to see another bush or clinton in the white house. they want to see some diversity in the fields. how widespread that sentiment ultimately is and how impactful that might be in a primary is perhaps a different question especially because on the democratic side, you know, you have not really seen someone emerge with the same kind of momentum that secretary clinton would likely see should she, in fact decide to get in as people expect that she will do. >> another interesting thing we're hearing, the 2012 presidential nominee, mitt romney considering a third run. you've got to wonder if people would want to hear more of the romney name, as well. quote, it's a fight neither may be eager to have, talking about the sides there. which some donors are framing as a referendum on the past versus the future. even if both men have been

well-known political figures for years. is the past versus future narrative, you think it's a fair one. when both romney and bush are well known to voters. >> you're going to see potentially that battle play out between the romney camp and the bush camp. if romney is, in fact, serious about getting in. and if jeb bush ultimately does decide to jump into the race. and certainly takes some steps to do so. but then you're also going to see a broader battle within the republican party. you have a bunch of younger senators. you have a lot of younger governors who may be playing that card both in the primary and also you've already seen some of them try and play that against hillary clinton. >> reporter: all right. thanks so much. >> thank you. risky business. how much of a risk did the world leaders take? marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and a good source

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." it's something you should know is in the place where the 11th 10th and 3rd all come together. but noticeably the 11th was the home for the "charlie hebdo" offices. and that's a little bit to the east of where that republic sits, that sits right now. and the beginning of today's march for what some are saying as many as 2 1/2 million people attended there in the city of paris. and the media puts the numbers, as well, as maybe more than 3 million people that is according to the press. and that would include the leaders of the more than 3 dozen countries as they fill the streets to honor the victims of this week's terrorist attacks. let's bring in ronan farrow, host of msnbc's "ronan farrow daily." you spent the weekend talking to people at the rally in paris. what are some of the reasons people have given you as to why

they've come out today? >> reporter: well obviously, everyone wants to be part of this important moment in french history. we've heard from the ministry of the interior they're calling this the biggest gathering in the history of the french republic saying the numbers are uncountable. you mentioned some of the est estimates there. they want to take a stand against terrorism. i spoke to some people in the crowd as they were arriving. take a listen. >> so we're free to do what you want to do. we don't want this to change. this is how the country is. >> i'm very proud to be french today. to stop this -- this act of terrorism. i'm just here to say we are free. >> and alex that sums up the feeling here today. strong statements against terrorism. still a lot of concern about underlying security issues and underlying rifts in french

society. we're hearing right now that the march has actually ended just moments ago that president hollande is now at la grande synagogue paying tribute to the jewish community here. one of the communities most tense after part of that attack transpired at a jewish supermarket. people still on edge after a cathartic, for some an exhilarating day. i want to get a sense for those who have been here for many long hours in some cases and some of those who didn't show up earlier and are coming to see the end of the march. let's get a reaction. how are people feeling now at this hour? calls of free calls for freedom. what's your name? >> farrah. >> farrah did you come out earlier today? >> no i was home earlier and came 30 minutes ago. >> why did you decide to stay home earlier? >> because i was afraid. >> what were you afraid of? >> something like a bomb or terrorism coming today. i stayed at home. >> and now that you have arrived here, what is your feeling? >> i feel free.

yeah. i'm not afraid. >> well, that sums it up, alex. all day today, people saying they want to stand together feeling free. what remains to be seen is whether today's big historic show of unity ends up being more just show. >> i'm glad she got out there and she feels free this evening. ronan farrow thank you so much for your reporting throughout the weekend for us. >> thanks alex. joining us from paris is christopher dickey, also eli lake for bloomberg view. welcome to you both. christopher, just a couple of days ago people of paris were told to hunker down, don't leave their homes. one woman she didn't want to leave, she was afraid for good reason. now millions have taken to the streets in paris, even where the final standoff happened today. 10,000 marchers gathered there. what does this say about the french people? >> well, i think it says they want to show that they will

stand against terrorism. they want to go out and say they stand with freedom of expression. they stand with the idea of a pluralistic france. they stand with the idea of democracy. they stand against islamic radicalism or any kind of fascist philosophy that would impose the kind of draconian restrictions on them that the terrorists advocate as being somehow in line with the koran. so i think all of that is true. but i think it's also if you will, at the risk of sounding glib, a little bit of a kumbaya moment. everything's good, it's going to be okay. i think the test in the days and months to come when we see what the political fallout from this is and whether it's taught the intelligence services of france and europe and, indeed, the united states how better to cope with the kind of terrorist threat that these people represented. >> yeah. so eli, in essence, what

christopher's saying this isn't over yet. we also have the angle of -- she's still at large, possibly in syria. we also don't know who financed all of this. i mean, certainly there appears to be ties to al qaeda in yemen. do you expect to see any military response to this? >> i think it's too soon to say whether there will be a specific military response to this. but the united states has been very active since 2011 in trying to contain and target the leaders of al qaeda's affiliate in yemen and is the al qaeda and the arabian peninsula. and recently the united states has become involved in trying to target the leaders in isis as in their kind of -- and we know from the early investigation into this terrible crime, that the attackers in some ways had links to both. one had spent some time in yemen training with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, and yet, there was also reports of a video that was made that you

know, sort of expressed solidarity with isis. and i think what this shows is that there aren't really sort of clear lines between various kinds of jihadist organizations because it's important to note that as of only maybe six months ago or five months ago, al qaeda's affiliates in the middle east were at war in syria, at least, with isis. >> yeah. >> so the fact is that there is a lot of overlap there and that's what i'm hearing a lot from the intelligence community. >> you know, one of the most striking images of the day, the world leaders all joined arm in arm walking through the streets of paris but in a place that just recently felt like a city under siege. it raises some significant security concerns. i want to bring in now, a former secret service agent and security investigative analyst. and if you were still protecting the president, would you have allowed him to attend the march? >> on a personal level, yes, i would have loved for him to go to show support, to show that solidarity. but from a security level, no. absolutely not. and that's very -- it's very

possible that's one of the reasons we didn't see him or the vice president attend. you have to look at it this way, you have all the -- so many of the world leaders, like big countries, the uk germany. you have the prime minister of israel, these individuals here. targets. lots of people, hundreds of thousands of people in one location condense. that is the prime area for target attack. you need an exorbitant amount of resources to secure that type of event. putting snipers on rooftops is just not enough. >> well we're looking at pretty tremendous numbers. but that said, can you ever really secure a scene like that? give me a grade if you can. something to put it in context. i mean, how well can you -- how well can you secure it? would you ever leave thinking oh, that was an a plus for something like this? >> well we have the inauguration. and that's one of the few times in u.s. history you see a

president walking out and marching. and the secret service plans for that months and months in advance. this is something that was put together very last minute. and you heard that woman who said you know i didn't feel comfortable coming out of my home. she came out after the fact. and she's a civilian. so imagine when we're dealing with heads of state. if you have any type of attack like that happen in that environment, forget it. it's going to have such tremendous consequences. >> eli, do you think there was a political reason that the president didn't attend? >> no, i mean i think all signs right now suggest it was a security issue. >> he was not a the rally. he did not attend the rally. certainly the highest resident there. there's been much discussion about why there were not higher. president marching in

solidarity. but you've been covering terrorism for quite a long time now. do you think the real powers behind this attack will be brought to justice? >> i think they'll probably be killed. whether they'll be brought to justice is another question. i think that actually eli and i would have a good discussion about this. but i think probably the needle is going to needle will turn back to the islamic state as being responsible for this. may not be clear cut. a man involved in al qaeda, back in 2001 before the attack on the united states living on house arrest in southern france and was visited all the terrorists we saw last week. i think there are a lot of things that need to be sorted out. but i don't think there's going to be any. i don't think it's a question of bringing people to justice. like we'll say, this person was

definitely the master mind and we're going to put this person in jail again. among other things we put the master minds in jail and they wind up under house arrest in the south of france. >> thank you, all, so much. it is the home to the brothers and considered a breeding ground of radical discontent. a look at life in paris after the "charlie hebdo" attack. based on 6 different criteria... why did a panel of 11 automotive experts... ... name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons the all-new volkswagen golf starting at $17,995. there's an award winning golf for everyone.

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alex. the narrative that reread really in a lot of big mainstream media papers is it's a hard scrabble neighborhood. and they also describe the suburbs of paris that are home to a lot of people of north african descent as being really terrible places where people are, you know, likely to be feeling very desperate and alienated. but frankly, to go, it's not that bad. reminded me of park slope in brooklyn which is a nice place. i spoke to lots of people there. and, you know, it was kind of an odd odd atmosphere because on one hand, a lot of people naturally are very upset about what happened. but the algerian-french i spoke to also made sure i understood they had a real resentment of america. at the same time, they are in these areas that while are supposed to be so you know poverty stricken really are not. i think it's really a false narrative. >> okay. of those -- of those, that you

spoke with any men around the same age or men in their 20s there in the -- and did they support the actions? >> no i can't say that anyone came out and said we understand why they did this. but they were quick to say that people don't understand that you cannot make fun of our prophet. it's like making fun of someone who is in your family. that's how important it is. and as i said, the rage not toward france but toward america was often palpable. and as i think you know alex there was in addition to the very famous je suis charlie tweet and slogan. there was on friday and there were some schools where the students did not want to participate in the moment of silence. there are conflicting messages. i was also in the suburbs of paris just outside where also a lot of people of north african descent are. this morning i was there. and i talked to several people

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three days of terror in france began thursday with the murders of 12 people at the offices of newspaper charlie hebdo. now among the dead the leading

cartoonist and journalistment let's bring in the creator of the prickly cat cartoon. scott, welcome to you. when one becomes an editorial cartoonist do you think you are putting your liven on the line? >> there ises a level of ohdanger. the nature of the job is to tick people off. some people respond inarticulately. >> i also understand you were the subject of threats in 1991 over a cartoon you drew over arizona's failure to make martin luther king's birthday ale holidayment you had a month of chilling times, right? talk about that. >> i had done a cartoon, a following the defeat of mlk day. the campaign was wrought with a lot of racist undercurrents. i did a cartoon. it was a guy at a cocktail party dressed in the kkk outfit with a no mlk button saying yes, i am from arizona.

how could you tell? i got a message that day on my answering machine. this was 1990. the voice came out saying after i kill you i'm going to kill your two kids. because of the history -- bear in mind the history in arizona is that a reporter for the republic was killed this a car explosion in 1976. the police took it very seriously. i had police protection around the clock for about a month. then everything seemed to be okay. over time you get in this field and particularly as someone who is a commentator, you get threats. physical threatses. >> i understand you didn't draw in the tribune on wednesday. as the attacks in paris demonstrate there is no safe haven. fear fills every corner. we think fear is an emotion we should repress, never speak of. here's the truth. fear is good. it's a rational emotion that makes us do irrational things. fear copes us focused and aware. what went through your mind when

you thought about the attack? >> chagrin, horror terror. sadness because to see fellow cartoonists gunned down like that. but the other hoegs was not surprise given that cartoonists around the world are under attack now. there is a syrian cartoonist missing, we believe he's dead. ali fazat is a cartoonist captured by assad henchmen beaten and had his hands crushed. he recuperated in kuwait and is back to cartooning. that's courage. i draw in chicago, illinois. that takes a level of courage in itself but it is not that level of courage. you want to hear something funny -- >> real quick. just about ten seconds. >> i looked at my wife anded said, i'm not feeling safe. i can tell you that this was a week before the paris attacks. >> prescient thoughts there.

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