there were millions of people who marched not just in paris but around the world. and they were christians and jews and muslims. they were leaders of countries all over the world. and they didn't march in protests. they marched in support of the idea that we will not walk in

fear. we won't do it. so -- >> our thought, our prayers, our hearts are with you tonight. >> together we will stand united against anyone who would repress free speech anywhere from north korea to paris. >> nice statement, the golden globes last night. good morning, everyone. it's monday january 12th. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. good to see you, mike. we've seen you this year yet. might i say happy new year? >> happy new year micah. >> in washington good to have you, david. in orlando, washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay is with us. and in paris, foreign editor for "the daily beast," along with

willie, joe, and me. weekend okay? >> weekend okay. what a unimarch in paris. >> beautiful. questions on who attended and who didn't. it's what's called the largest demonstration ever in french history between 1.2 and 1.6 million people rallied in paris to stand united after last week's terror attacks. 17 victims and 3 gunmen dead. french officials say a total of 3.7 million people from all walks of life and religions took part in demonstrations across the country. many held uppeder toial cartoons or signs reading je suis charlie. thousands more rallies across the world but the french president said quote, paris is today the capital of the world. more than 40 world leaders led the show of solidarity in paris. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu netanyahu, mahmoud abbas and david cameron were among those

standing arm in arm in the center. the u.s. was ept ared by the am boss dof of france ands a zi about secretary of state. the obama administration is facing strong criticism for not sending a top level official to the rally. attorney general eric holder was in paris for an anti-terrorism summit but not attend the rally. the cover of the "daily news" read you let the world down. the u.s. ambassador of france did attend the rally. john kerry rejected the criticism as quibbling. in a show of solidarity he says he will travel to paris later this week. >> less go to chris in paris. the picture showed a remarkable show of unity yesterday, especially when you looked at the world leaders walking together in a straight line. tell us about it. >> well, you know it was a great photo-op. at the risk of sounding a little cynical, it was a great cumbayah

moment for france where everybody got together and said we're going to stand against terrorism, we're not going to be intimidated, we're not going to live in fear. the problem is that this may not have much enduring effect in terms of french society or french policy. it's a reaction to the worst massacre on french territory in 50 years which is the direct result of the worst intelligence failure in 50 years in france. and they have yet to figure out exactly how they're going to fix those problems. >> amid an all night manhunt for who my be if most wanted woman in the world, mika brzezinski is believed to be the establish. overnight turkey's foreign minister announced she crossed into syria into turkey on january 8th. a new video emerged of the sgun man who killed four hostages. video posted to an official isis

website showed coubali and praised the massacre that took place at charlie hebdo. french police are looking into how it was published. officials are also investigating if coubali and the brothers who carried out the charlie hebdo attack had additional help including the shooting of a jogger who survived. attorney general eric holder says al qaeda affiliates remain one of the top threats to the united states and he is specially concerned about small-scale attacks. >> well, i don't think there's any question that we have certainly decimated core al qaeda. the threat really now i think comes from al qaeda affiliates and chief among them would be al qaeda on the arabian peninsula. now i think we have had an impact on them but they still remain a very viable threat. that is the thing that i think keeps me up most at night, this

concern about the lone wolf who goes undetected. but we are doing, as i said the best that we can. getting the resources that we have. >> willie, we talked about the unity rally yesterday. more than a million people marching. this is a remarkable photograph because of who was in the picture. look at francois and angelo merkel in the middle. book ends, israeli prime minister and mahmoud abbas. both marching together arm in arm. >> mike there have been a lot of symbols that the west has had to digest over the past year past six months past nine months, past year from isis. a lot of symbols and a lot of horrible images. that, i think, of course it was highly symbolic event this weekend. at the same time, it certainly does send a message. >> to some terrorists that the west is not going to sit back and fracture.

>> symbols are important, but as chris dickey alluded to they excluded marie from the march. >> not a smart thing to do. >> not a smart thing to do. i think there is some layer of tension between united states intelligence and french intelligence. i'm hold that united states intelligence operatives have repeatedly over the pastel several months inquired with france about their handling of internal terrorist suspects. there is a huge amount of criticism, i think internally i've been told about the lack of protection afforded the magazine offices when they have been on a hit list for several months. quite publicly. people knowing this. but the picture itself is truly momentarily really encouraging to see such a disseparate number of leaders and, as willie pointed out from from both

sides of theisraeli/palestinian conflict in the same march. moment of encouragement. >> so david ignatius what do you make of who is not in this picture? the president or the vice president or the secretary of state for the united states of america. we're not there. >> it would have been better to have higher-level u.s. representation at this important, symbolic moment. i think that was a missed opportunity. i think the book ensds of that picture tell you the central point going forward. it's great for netanyahu and abbas to show up at this tragic moment and express solidarity. they have an agenda of things they could be working on tomorrow that would make a significant difference in stability in the middle east. and will they be working on those things? will they be trying again to find some way to deal with the palestinian issue? i think the answer probably is

no, that's still deadlocked. that's the kind of thing you would like to see coming out of this moment of grief, is real commitment to doing things differently. just add one thing that wasn't in the march but really moved me. there was a funeral for one of the french algerian policemen who were killed in the terrible initial attack on the charlie hebdo offices. and his brother at the funeral said, my brother was a muslim. the people who killed him pretended to be muslims. they were terrorists. it's very powerful simple working class guy. if that becomes the voice of the french suburbs where all of these north african immigrants live, that's going to be a positive signal. that's what i keep my eyes on more than anything else more than the big marches. in the little communities to people feel we stand with the republic of france. >> let's bring in right now, let's go to france and bring in

nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, reports this morning that france is going to deploy a large number of forces to protect jewish schools. obviously concerned about the next attacks and the rising wave of antisemitism especially among muslim groups there that obviously targeted the kosher supermarket last week. >> the reports are that they will deploy about 4,000 supreme court thank yousecurity forces in front of the 700 jewish schools nationwide. that's part of some 10,000 extra security that are being put out. and i can tell you already this morning we saw heavily armed men in fatigues standing in front of the eiffel tower, all of the flags on the buildings here in downtown paris remain at half staff. this is still a country that is coping with what it thinks could

be an ongoing plot. they're worried there would be follow-on attacks, there could be copycat attacks. they're looking for accomplices to the three men who have now all admitted in their starmt ed inted in statements to the media or recorded testimonials that they were responsible for doing those terrorist attacks here in paris last week. there are questions, do they have accomplices? already one known suspect, one named suspect is believed to have fled the country, the common law wife of the man who went into the supermarket and took hostages who went into the kosher supermarket and killed four hostages hayat boumediene, according to turkish officials, left this country, went to istanbul on january 2nd. so before the attacks took place, stayed in turkey for about a week staying at one stage in a hotel, the asian side of istanbul, then traveled to

southern turkey crossing the border, turkish officials believe into syria on january 8th. >> richard, it's willie. some inside france have called this france's 9/11. we all know here in the united states how our lives, our day-to-day lives, whether it's travel or walking around a major city change after september 11th. is there a sense in paris and europe at large that this one day has changed everything for europe? will it feel different in those cities now? >> you don't hear those same kind of draconian statements coming out of french officials that today we will never be the same our life has to be different, our civil liberties have to be compromised. perhaps they learned some lessons that a lot has changed between 9/11 and today in france, but there is a feel that this country feels very vulnerable, that what they saw

happening in yemen or afghanistan is suddenly did happen here in paris. that image of two heavily armed men, the two kouachi brothers in masks, dressed in all black krad cradling their ak-47s going through the streets entering charlie hebdo newspaper, executing the staff, going out killing a police officer in cold blood, and then driving away with their car full of grenades and mol tafotov cocktails and paraphernalia. people thought that only happened in far away war zones and there is an uneasy feel that that kind of commando attack happened here in france a few days ago. >> nbc's richard engel alive in paris. the world reaction from the point of view of how the bbc covers this and papers around the world. not only to the unity rally but the impact onjournalism long term.

>> people have raised the question mika was that a mitigating circumstance. people yesterday were saying what we have to stand up for is 100% the right for, in a democratic society, people to be able to express themselves in the media, however they want to. i think the real challenge is what chris dickey said earlier, is a question of whether the president turned up or didn't turn up but what happens in france in terms of policy. the toxic mix is in those suburbs sushding paris, surrounding cities in prisons where muslims are being radicalized. what's the long term strategy there for trying to detoxify those areas. i'm already getting reports from people in france that some schools in those neighborhoods, in those strongly muslim

neighborhoods, the kids didn't stand for the minute silence. they see those attackers as heroes. how do we change that? because that's where the problem for europe lies. >> mike barnicle? >> chris dickey katty was just talking about charlie hebdo, clearly there was a deliberate attempt at outrage with their cartoons and other things within the magazine. a line that many american newspapers would not cross. and yet the incendiary affect of it among the muslim community in paris, i am led to believe by several people i have spoken to that one of the issues here is that within the muslim community, not only in france but throughout the middle east and perhaps here in the united states of america, they have yet to come to grips with the fact that nearly every friday night in one pulpit or another, in one mosque or another, there is an insightment to violence that occurs too often.

what do you hear about that strain of thought? >> well, i think there is a lot of that that goes on but i think it can only be exaggerated. i think when it comes to freedom of expression and charlie hebdo and their level of provocation, i think there's a couple of contextural things to keep in mind, marley here in france. one is there is a lot of talk about charlie hebdo's freedom to insult mohammed equal opportunity attacker of religious and political figures. but you know here in france there are certain things that you cannot say because they're against the law. you can't deny the holocaust here. you can't deny the armenian holocaust here. it's against the law to do it. now, the muslims will say, not all muslims but some of them will say so why isn't there a law against defaming mohammed why are there laws against some kind of speech and not laws against other kinds of speech? it comes down to a political

issue. i think that's understood here in france particularly by the muslim community. in terms of ensitement to violence, that's exaggerated. of course there are a lot of you know, what would you calling fundamentalist preachers in the muslim world, just as there are crazy fundamental lists preachers in other parts of the world who will sigh and encite their congregations. i think it's an exaggeration here in france and indeed certainly in the united states to believe they are finding a lot of followers who are embracing violence. the number of people who actually embrace violence not just talk trash, but try to actually carry out terrorist events is small. and i think we have to differentiate between anger and violence because there is a gap there, and actually that's part of what keeps us as safe as we are. >> all right. now to developments overnight

regarding downed airasia flight 8501. this morning search teams retrieved black boxes and located another underwater. let's bring in nbc news correspondent live from surabaya indonesia. what's the latest? >> good morning, mika. they brought the flight data recorder to the surface. they found it underneath part of a wing. there was part of a plane engine there as well. brought it up early this morning local time. they believe the cockpit voice recorder is in the same area. they haven't actually seen it yet but there are reports that it's under some very heavy wreckage and they're something having trouble getting to it. every confidence they will bring it to the surface fairly soon. now, both of these were found about two miles from where that tail section was found. it was brought to the surface, brought on to the deck of a ship on saturday. you can see when it was loaded on that it was badly damaged. it is the main piece of wreckage

that has been found so far. a number of objects have been spotted on sonar but none of them spotted down below by difers or confirmed by divers and they're still looking for this large piece of fuselage. more than 100 people are missing and they're hope that they find their remains, if they can find the fuselage. mika? >> nbc's kelly live in indonesia, thank you. we have a lot of other news to get to. golden globes last night, did you watch? >> of course not. >> of course you didn't. >> i watched football all day yesterday. >> you didn't. >> wow. >> you did not. >> i don't like the call. i know it was the right call. >> stupid rule. >> what is it called? >> what's a catch? what is a catch? he caught that ball. >> the dallas cowboys. >> dez bryant. >> the worst part is it was the right call. they got it right technically but in the world of common sense it's a great catch. >> not sure how we got here but that's how we roll. >> that's what a lot of people

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have a seat right here. >> they're cooking up newspapers. >> pull up a chair. >> all right. from nbcnews.com. >> george zimmerman, never did see that coming. abusing another girlfriend? >> after an arrest for domestic violence aggravated assault, zimmerman is accuse of throwing a bottle of wine at a woman who attorney says was his girlfriend. released after posting a $5,000 bond on saturday and per the judge's orders can not have any contact with the alleged victim. >> this is the on going problem with this guy. i'm just wondering about all the people on the far right who went and made him their hero. >> yeah. the good job. >> after he chased down trayvon martin. >> killed him. >> yeah, ended in his death. i wonder who is proud to embrace this guy. >> which they did immediately. >> i can't imagine being his attorney. court date for february 17th. if convicted he could face up to

five years behind bars. zimmerman was found not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter in the death of trayvon martin in 2013. zimmerman sued nbc news for defamation defamation, a claim that was dismissed by a judge. he has appealed that decision. huffington post two members of the tuskeegee air men that flew in world war ii passed away on the same day. they died last sunday at their homes in los angeles. their families say that two men who were friends for their entire lives enlisted together in 1942. from the general martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says the united states needs to go close the military prison in guantanamo bay. he believes the prison is a threat to our nation's core values. >> i've been in the group that believes that it's in our national interest to close

guantanamo. it does create a psychological scar on our national values. whether it should or not, it does. >> still, general dempsey warned there are so detainees that should not be released. guantanamo bay currently houses 127 prisoners. complicated. >> the "los angeles times," a vintage u.s. penny dating back to 1792 has sold at auction for $2.5 million, for a penny. making it the most expensive one cent piece ever sold. the coin also known as a burch cent features a profile representing miss liberty and the phrase liberty, parent of science and industry. bidder was 55-year-old. he purchased a vintage quarter for $2.2 million at the same auction. seriously, burning a hole in his pocket. >> $4.8 million for 26 cents. >> wow. >> is what the gentleman paid.

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joining us now the host of cnbc's" mad money," jim cramer. cramer, we've missed but i don't know author of "get rich carefully" now out in paperback. it's great to have you on. >> talking about getting rich carefully soon but friday's numbers. >> sure. >> a lot of mixed signals. unemployment rate is low. great news. but then we read and we learn that unemployment rate dropped 0.2% mainly not because of new jobs but because more and more people get out of the workforce. like less job participation, more people giving up, and wages went down. >> wages. >> the economics of -- all the

textbooks that we've read they're all wrong. you're not supposed to be able to have wages go down and demand for employment to go up. i think this is just once again, the forces against labor are amazing. i think some of it is bigger pool of immigrants, but some of it is nafta and free trade. no one should admit that free trade might be hurting the american worker but you could make a case that it's keeping the wages down. >> and there isn't more pressure that's going to cause wages to go up as long as the job participation rate is down at 62%, 63%. >> this is the year you should be getting a raise. things are really good in this country versus every other developed country. but it's just not happening. a lot of what's happening is that technology is taking a high paid jobs. you're seeing it everywhere. for instance at retail level. all the higher paid retail jobs are being reedplaced by tech in order to fight amazon. >> mike here's what joe writes in politico and then i'll send it to you. how much credit does the

president deserve for all of this? republicans say the economy is finally and only partially shaking off the impact of obama policies -- >> this wasn't me. somebody else in politico. >> it says here. >> yeah. >> like the affordable care act. who is this? who wrote this? >> i don't know. some politico. read it. >> all right. like the affordable care about, tax hikes and financial reform all of which they contend to slow down growth and they point to paltry wage gains, once again evident in the december jobs report. democrats say that's sour grapes from partisans whose warning of a disastrous obama economy look increasingly ridiculous. i guess i would be careful to take credit for any of this. >> that's what i actually in my politico, post i said is republicans are trying to take credit for this economy. i wouldn't rush to take credit for this economy right now because a lot of people are being left behind by flat wages. >> but the nature of the business politics is such and the nature of life culture is such that we remember things

only in fragments of seconds and in politics you get the blame for things when they go wrong. you get the credit for when things go right. obama is right. a little wave of credit right now. what i want to talk joe just alluded to it in his piece, take-home pay which is in my world, the people i know that's the most important thing. that's the most important number of the week. the take-home pay. in the last four to five six weeks, maybe two months the average american worker has received the biggest boost in his take home pay in maybe ten years with the reduction in gas prices. >> $1,000 per household. >> okay. >> yes. >> why hasn't the stock market replied positively to that? now they respond negatively to the stock market goes down when more americans have more money in their pockets. what's the deal? >> people are worried about $53 billion in cash flow that will decline because of the lower prices of oil in this country. it's a mistake to worry about that. the big energy boom is only boosted the employment by 1%.

not -- i'm talking about the percentage of employment. there's way too much worry about the decline. it's a huge huge positive for america. oil trade at 47 today. this is going to be a six-year low. probably trades down to 43. good news. people have got it wrong. you should be buying stocks not selling them. >> to put all of this together and talk about the overall health of this economy you say we're doing better relative other developed nations. relative term, obviously. does president obama have it right when he says over the last six years i've made healthy economy? >> what's made a healthy economy is the fact that we have the lowest energy cost and the best natural resources. also versus other -- europe is terrible. so if you have an export company, if you have a company that's based here really an international company, you're not going to have good numbers. first earnings number today from alcoa, very good barometer of things. they sell a huge amount over sea 'if you're just domestic you're doing well. i'm surprised that obama doesn't take more credit.

because your wages are not going up, because you're still not able to find a higher paying job, i think he's torn because it sounds like the only people doing well are the people at the very top. >> the richest. >> yes. you could make a case for that. >> it is interesting though several years ago you had the french germans, other people lecturing barack obama about his spending habits. and now you look three, four years later, europe is flat. their a basket case. japan remains flat. right now we -- right now we are debating whether this is a good economy or not because the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer and the middle class still seem to be squeezed. they're not even having that debate in europe right now. their economy is bad. by comparison to europe and japan, we're doing good. >> we're down to 3.5% gdp. that's the budget deficit. it's the best in many many years. pretty incredible. our borrowing costs are lower. but the borrowing costs in europe are low because they're

trying to manipulate their currency to take our jobs away. they're having some success doing that. they're making it so that our wage growth -- look we have a huge problem. right down to the south of us in mexico it's now $5.50 per hour. it's the lowest cost worker in the world. so if you decide that you want manufacturing to move south, no one ever wants to talk about free trade as being negative for the worker it is positive for the capital, negative for labor. you can move any job down there. at market they don't have a tariff. that's why mexico is going to exceed us in growth this year. >> david ignatius you know what's fascinating, is that if you ask conservatives, economic conservatives like myself just in general, would you like a balanced budget in yes. but if you can't what would you like the deficit to be a percentage of the gtdp? 3%, 3.5%, we're okay. if you ask a conservative what would you like the ratio from

government spending to gdp be? well, if we could get below 20% like the late '90s, that would be pretty good. right now the deficit 3.5% of the gdp, government spending at 19, 19.5% of gdp, unemployment at 5.6, hell if the republicans had this in america we would be running in morning ads. >> the obama administration is getting attacked on the right still from spending too high taxes too high. it's getting attacked from the left by elizabeth warn rehn for being too friendly with wall street. somewhere in the middle of that is a president who seems unable to get credit for what has proved to be a sustained recovery. i just was in china in december and i heard from chinese looed s leaders, wow, america is a lot stronger than we thought it was

going to be a year ago. >> david on the other side of that we heard with sequestration that it was going to destroy the economy and locusts were going to descend from the heavens and eat the flesh off of everybody in washington, d.c. because of it. republicans have come in on the right, this tea party movement in 2010 and they have squeezed spending down. and this is counter to what everybody has said but i'll be damned if james madison's system of checks and balances from 2015 over the past five years, may, actually balanced things out and -- like you said. the chinese are going, hell you guys are stronger than we thought. >> the meat ax cut the meat. it's hard for me to make an argument that sequestration was a good idea. that was such a primitive sort of like blood letting for doctors.

>> but david, what happened in 2009 and 2010 seem to be primitive, cainsian reductionism we're just going to spend money on projects unfocused and somehow make everything work out well. what i'm saying is you may not like what obama did on the left. i didn't. some may not like what republicans did on the right. but taken in total, in 2015 it's hard not to look back at these numbers and go gosh somebody is working. >> there's no question that however we stumble toward it, whatever goofy combination of currency produced it. i think jim cramer is right, that people look at alternative places to put their money would be nuts not to look at u.s. equities right now. what do i know? i'm just a journalist. >> thank you. >> you know an awful lot. >> how cute. >> "i want to get rich carefully," how do i do that? >> own big themes. biotech, big themes are eating healthily. this is really one of the

most -- >> talk to me. >> this is white wave this is plant-based food rather than milled. things that really work. the new frugal consumer. we came out of the great recession like our grandparents came out of depression. we don't spend as much as we used to. we go to costco. he best retailer of our time. >> yes. >> on fire. >> and they pay people better. >> raised the price of their card and no one balked. that's because we are frugal. >> it's costco. >> people forget we don't take a lot more debt anymore, either. i also think that housing could be big this year because mortgage rates are low and affordability is back. david's right. we are so much stronger than china. china is declining in its growth. we are increasing in our growth. but it's -- we don't have a -- i spoke to tom perez on friday secretary of labor. he was saying jim, how come you were so bullish? because our country has everything that you need in order to be able to do things

right, including a government that can't do anything. that's what we want. >> we've been saying around here for five six years when people have been talking about the rise of china, the collapse of the united states. it's just not happening. >> the chinese are paper target. spending money on military to put people to work. they should sell their bonds. they have two trillion bonds. >> we heard the same thing about japan, mike in '88, '89, '90. they were going to destroy us. >> right. >> i went in and i did something i've never done before. i decided to invest and i invested a couple thousand dollars in the nikkei. >> okay. the book is "get rich carefully." please come back? >> yes. come in early. >> okay. up next following the deadly attacks in paris, what can we do here to stop the threat from extremists? stay with us p much more "morning joe" straight ahead.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." 46 past the hour. it's monday. you got to get up. here with us now from washington nbc news terrorism analyst mikial sheehan. on the set, democratic representative from new york and chair for democratic caucus congressman steve israel. he is the author of the new nofl "the global war on morris." katty kay still with us from orlando as well. good to have you onboard. >> steve israel let me first ask you ability what'sout what's unfolded in france over the past week and what the united states needs the to do, the fight violent muslim extreme extremism. >> continued coordination with our allyies. we've got to continue to beef huh our homeland security

capabilities, better coordination in the united states between all the acronymic agencies we've developed. the threat is there. it continues to be there. >> michael sheehan, i'm concerned. i understand that the muslim faith has well over a billion adherents who are peaceful and so many muslims came up and were shocked and outraged by what happened this past week. but i had somebody on this show earlier this morning say there's really no difference between muslim extremists and hindu extremists and christian extremists. we've heard a lot of that nonsense since last week. i'm just wondering, are we going to be grappling with political correctness as we try to identify this threat? even the white house is talking about general extremism, that they're going -- eric holder is

going to put together a task force and talk about extremism. do we need to focus on where this threat actually comes from? >> joe, the strategic threat to the united states is clearly islamic, jihadi extremism. the other ones are minor to nothing here in the united states. we need to get rid of this political correctness. we can't be complacent. if we need more resources to track and surveil people like the french dropped the ball on these three known guys. we cannot allow that to happen. and if we need new additional resources, fbi joint task forces don't have enough people they can tap local police forces that know how to put people under surveillance from narcotics squads or other police units there and make sure we cover down on all potential suspects in the united states and not allow political correctness. if you remember joe, when mayor de blasio first came in new york city under great fanfare, great section of nypd intelligence division was shut down. commissioner bratton knows what he's doing. he's got a deputy commissioner john miller who knows what he's

doing. that message was sent that is chilling to other police departments not to have those type of capabilities. >> mike barnicle second time we've heard, i heard from you this morning. we've heard from michael sheehan, that your rt reporting is from sources very high up in the united states government that french intelligence dropped the ball. >> dropped the ball big time on a couple of different scores. the most obvious is why the office wasn't -- office of charlie hebdo, was not accorded more physical police protection, given the nature of the threats and the presence of the threats almost constant against them. and the failure to really track people like the three who are now dead over the course of many, many months. and they were sort of asked by u.s. intelligence operatives about their progress in tracking not just those three but the tracking process they used. it was not quite up to speed.

i'd like to ask mike sheehan, mike, on a scale of one to ten ten being the most how surprised are you that such an incident has not occurred here in the united states? >> i would say on a 11 of six. we are very different from europe. i was waiting for the shoe to drop in europe before i came concerned about the u.s. we have a lesser of a problem with islamic militants here in the united states although we have it but we don't have the clumps that they have in europe. i was expecting it much more in europe and here it is. but it could definitely happen in the u.s. and you're right, the french have really showed me some tremendous gaps which surprises me. i thought their forces were really good. and that assault on the grocery store, the kosher grocery store the other day was horrible for any counter terrorism expert. two guys go in. the rest stay at the door. shooting hundreds of rounds. fiasco. they didn't have control of the perimeter. the french have got to get their

act together domestically. i've worked with them overseas and they've always been very good but this has been a fiasco from day one for the french. >> willie? >> congressman, on a much different note you've written a novel. i think a lot of people when they hear congressmen or senators writing a book -- >> political satire ripped from the headlines. >> but this is different from politicians. you serve spoof washington and its kill chur. ss culture. what was it about d.c. that you thought needed spoofing? >> the reviews are marvelous but i'm realistic about this. it's not that the book is that good but the book by the congressman is presumed to be that bad. it's memoirs. look, the backook is what we've talked about in a is asatiric way. lead-up in the war on iraq i go to meetings and hear pretty absurd stuff and would begin to

write it down. then we learned in 2006 that in our surveillance mechanisms to try and protect us we accidentally spied on a group of elderly quakers in lake worth, florida, believing that they were terrorists. and it occurred to me if we accidentally spied on a group of elderly quakers who are going to put on pink shirts and protest at a military base, there must be others. the book is about the accidental surveilling and spying of this one guy, morris in long island new york whose entire philosophy is don't make waves and he becomes public enemy number one. >> doesn't like politics. >> i love it. congressman, thank you for coming on. >> great reviews. >> michael sheehan, katty kay, thank you as well. still ahead this morning, for the second week in a row the fate of dallas cowboys falls in the hands of the referees. the catch that wasn't a catch. >> but was it? >> next on "morning joe." discover card. hey, i heard you guys

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interview" as inor rabble and wanton act of terror. more amazing, not the worst review the movie got. >> welcome back to "morning joe." joining joe, willie, and me with have the founder and president ian grimmer and combat veteran of the u.s. army, wes moore, "a search for a life that matters." we'll get to that in just a bit. wes, good to have you onboard. also with us the director of the earth institute at columbia university, economist dr. jeffrey sachs, and "the washington post" david ignatius is still with us as well. great table set for a great conversation. >> yeah. yep. >> where do you want to begin? paris? >> let's start in paris. >> we'll go there this morning because france is calling it the largest demonstration ever in the country's history, between 1.2 and 1.6 million people stood united after the terror attacks left 17 victims and 3 gunmen

dead. 3.7 million people from all walks of life and religions took part in demonstrations across the country. many held uppeder toial cartoons or shines reading je suis charlie. thousands more rallied in cities across the world. french president francois hollande said paris is the capitol for the world. look at that picture. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, mahmoud abbas and david cameron were there among those standing arm in arm with president hollande in the center. the u.s. was represented by its ambassador to france and assistant secretary of state. but the obama administration is facing some strong criticism for not sending a top-level official to the rally. attorney general eric holder was in paris for an anti-terrorism summit but did not attend the rally rally. the cover of "daily news" reads,

quote, you let the world down. secretary of state john kerry rejected the criticism as quote, quibbling. in a show of solidarity he will travel to paris this week. >> you've been shaking your head. do you think that the obama administration made a mistake? >> i think it was -- i think david ignatius used the words earlier, a big missed opportunity. i mean, a show of solidarity is an understatement. that was a visual symbol to the world, ian? >> the french government -- we've had difficulties with allies and adversaries alike over the last few years. it's not been easy foreign policy environment. the french government and president hollande has been one of the stout allies of the united states, arguably the single most supposed pottive ivesuch supposedupposed. the french were out in front on

iraq, on syria. i'm personally flabbergasted. this is what god invented vice presidents for. >> right. >> is to actually go to things like this. off got you've got michelle obama. it's not as if it had to be obama himself. plenty of people could have made this trip. i'm distressed that kerry diss missed ed dismissed it as quibbling. he's going this week. he recognizes they booted it. say you booted it. >> what's the conversation this week i don't think we will go? security reasons? i don't know. i'm just curious. >> it is curious. jeffrey, what do you think? >> well, at first this was a mistake, obviously, of the administration, just they got lost in events and there should have been a u.s. leader there. the whole thing is a horrible tragedy and a shock, but it does

also lead us back to a more basic issue which is not discussed, which is how -- how much war is raging in the middle east right now and it's coming back and blowback in many ways. and we have to be figuring out ways to get the violence down and get these wars ended including the ones that we have been stoking and that's a big part of the problem here. >> along those lines, the issue also is not just simply about showing a sense of solidarity towards the victims and towards france in this situation but it's also a skens of solidarity in the way we're going the deal with it, the fact that this is not a french problem, this is not a european problem. this is something the whole world has to get together and come up with a unified solution to stress. >> i kept thinking about the day and the week after 9/11 where all those headlines in french newspapers, we're all americans and they lit up the eiffel tower and said we will never forget this day.

that meant something. i mean, we're sitting in america, looking across the atlantic ocean, see that meant something. i know we've been supportive on diplomatic levels but, i agree, i think it's a mistake not to send somebody higher level yesterday. >> france is mobilizing security forces for a manhunt on who may be the most wanted woman in the world. hayat boumeddiene is believed to be the accomplice of the man behind the siege of the kosher supermarket in paris. overnight, turkey's foreign minister announced she crossed into syria from sirturkey on january 8th. a new video emerged of the gunmen who killed four hostages before he was himself killed by police. video posted to an official isis website shows amedi coupehmedmedi coubali pledging allegiance. nbc news hasn't established when or where this video was shot and french police are looking into

how it was published. officials are inest have itting in coubali and the brothers who carried out the charlie hebdo attack had additional help including the shooting of the jogger who survived. meanwhile, attorney general eric holder says al qaeda affiliates remain one of the top threats to the united states and he is especially concerned about small scale attacks. >> well, i don't think there's any question that we have certainly decimated core al qaeda, the threat now really i think, comes from al qaeda affiliates and chief among them would be al qaeda on the arabian peninsula. i think that we have had an impact on them but they still remain a very viable threat. that is the thing that i think keeps me up most at night, this concern about the lone wolf who goes undetected. but we are doing, as i said the best that we can. marshalling the resources that we have. >> joe wants to get to david ignatius but quickly, ian, we had you on the show the day before the attacks happened and

you had your list of top hot spots around the world. and isis was lower down. does this change anything? >> number one was the politics of europe. >> there you go. >> it was the great concern, the grave concern that you've got very divided, very deeply divided societies in france perhaps top among them 8% of the population is muslim and as much as we want to say all of france is together with these demonstrations, 34% in 2014 supported a poll for the the front national which is the radical antiimmigration far right party in france. they did not participant in these nonadministrations. france is a very deeply divided society. you're going to see much more of this. >> they were not invited to participant. >> well, you know -- >> which actually by not being invited to participate they actually played right into their hands. >> the government said they invited them. lapin said she wasn't invited. clearly she wasn't invited to play a significant role. this is an etch for the by the establishment party leaders to

show unity but build support for themselves. that will absolutely work in the near term but it is not going the change antiislamic sentiment across france and large population. >> antimuslim feeling a kroisz france and we've heard that an awful lot over the past five days. we don't hear quite as much about the anti-semitism that has been a problem across europe. in fact, this morning "the new york times" report that france is going to have to have forces to detect sensitive sites. >> 5,000 military are being sent to defend jewish schools going forward. the attack anti-semitic attacks in france have been going up. there were 15 anti-islamic attacks in the two days across france following charlie hebdo, including grenades and a lot of gang violence and those haven't made the news either.

the biggest news in terms of human casualty last week was over 2,000 being massacred by boca haram on the nigeria/chad border. and nigerian president went to paris instead of dealing with that. we're not talking about it. the fact is as jeff said at the beginning, we have this -- the people that are taking the brunt of all of this extremeist islamic violence are in those regions themselves. >> across europe the nationalist parties holocaust seem to be gaining steam and did better than anybody else in the recent eu elections. and seemed -- and it's not just anti-immigrant, it is also anti-eu and, again, more nationalists and more concerned about countries maintaining their identity their historic identity. and it seems to be a really

growing political movement. >> it's clearly a growing political movement as ian says. it was a dominant theme as you began this year. my reading of what's happened in france is the charlie hebdo tragedy is that there's been a convergence, coessence of french liberal, muslims and non-muslims coming together at shock at what's happening. i would just note that on the level of actual intelligence pursuit of this story there are a couple of themes that i think your viewers should think about. the first is that we do have a strong link between the kouachi brothers and yemen. it appears they both went to yemen for training. did yemen -- did the al qaeda affiliate in yemen direct this attack? from what i'm told from my

sources, as long ago as the first visit in 2011 that cherif kouachi said, said kouachi made to yemen, there was discussion of attacking the magazine offices. you know the idea was that long ago, three, four years ago. second, one anomaly here is that the kouachis who were trained by an al qaeda affiliate and the men who led the grocery store attack amedi coubali, i think is his name he is claiming association with the islamic state, which is supposedly in a kind of internal war with al qaeda. has that war broken down? are the two groups beginning to emerge? that's a key issue that counter terrorism analysts are studying. i'm told that there is evidence at the fringes of those two groups that people are beginning to work together. and since it's all in the same internet pop, stirring every

day, it's not surprising we're seeing some spill over. but in practical terms i think those are the things people are looking at this morning. >> all right. we're going to turn now to presidential politics. and recent comments from mitt romney that have sparked 2016 speculation. the 2012 republican nominee told a group of new york donors friday that he is indeed considering another run for the white house. romney reportedly told the audience of about 30 long time supporters, quote, i want to be president. >> that's correct. >> that would be -- yeah, i guess that would say it. according to politico romney said at the meeting, everybody in here can go tell your friends that i'm considering a run. romney said that his wife ann once completely against a third bid is now, quote, very encouraging about the prospect. those in attendance saitsz said the former massachusetts governor cited unrest overseas and the poverty in the u.s. are motivating factors for another

run. political correspondent casey hunt covering all this. how does jeb bush play into all this and any other contenders? >> hi guys. well, it's impossible to over estimate the decreegree to have jeb bush's early moves are affecting mitt romney and the people around him. romney is in such a different place right now than he was when he planned this run in 2012. just the way this came out in the press sort of leaked from this meeting is pretty uncharacteristic. at this point last time around he had a campaign in waiting, office in boston all of that. and now none of that is there. it's pretty clear that jeb bush's camp is putting this pressure. he's, you know sort of criticized romney for the way he ran last nim. he's touched particularly on his business record and on immigration. and having covered romney for a long time i think that you know, that plays a significant role. romney has always been pretty defensive of his own business record. and from people that i've talked to over the last couple of days you know the way that bush has

gone about setting himself up against romney through this contributes a lot to what we're hearing now from romney. >> and romney also i think, was critical of jeb bush's political skills as well when he was talking to this group. so the idea that mitt romney was going to go to the side if jeb bush jumped in the race that appears to be old news now. >> i think it is. >> yeah romney he definitely has made clear that he thinks bush is going to have his own set of problems with his business record if he runs. he thinks that he might lose to hillary clinton. romney thinks he may actually be in a better position. but you know on the flip side i also talked to a lot of republicans of ever the weekend who weren't, are not affiliate with romney at this point and they point out, you know romney struggled in 2012 to beat candidate after candidate, newt gingrich herman kaine, they said, hey, like we have a great field of republican candidates this time around and while we

appreciate romney as sort of the establishment, like current leader of the party, is he really going to be able to step up and be the clear favorite and front-runner this time? it's not clear that's the case. >> thank you so much. greatly appreciate before we go to break, we've been talking about this for some time. let's talk about some important stuff. >> what have you got? >> dallas cowboys. >> no, this is the news. >> the catch. >> the play? >> packers playing the cowboys. okay. playing in green bay. this is the play that would have turned the game likely led to a touchdown. tony romo throws it up for grabs. dallas down five points late in the quarter. >> that's a catch. >> it was called a catch. inside the 1 yard line. you figure the cowboys punch it in and take a lead. maybe go on to win the game. under further review, called not a catch. >> why? >> the rule is so arcane i couldn't begin to explain to

you. but has something to do with the fact that he didn't have complete possession all of the way down to the ground. right? >> possession there. >> right there. when the ball hits the ground it pops up. you have to keep possession all of the way down. you have to secure it all of the way to the ground. they said he didn't. he is saying right there he took three steps. which he did. in the world of common sense he caught the ball. one step two step down. >> the guy had possession. >> but the ground cannot cause a fumble on a catch. it's very complicated. anyway it was the right call unfortunately, for the cowboys. it was the right call. technically speaking. but it's a rule that probably needs to be reviewed because that billion should have been at the half yard line. >> apparently, doctor, you saw mark? >> i did. >> my brother mark. >> i did. >> you were in sweden. >> i just want to -- >> i didn't know where we were headed there. >> i want to see this picture because dan described it to me. there's you in front of my mother's sculptures. >> look at this ambassador, your

bro. >> quite the man. >> what a great guy and great job he's doing in sweden. >> you're just saying that. >> i'm not just saying that. absolutely fantastic and his strength in all the things going on around the arctic and doing a great job. so it was fantastic to see him at the embassy. >> all right. >> fantastic. >> and, dan norwick, you're in bic big trouble. thank you. i want to talk about your book. senator john cornyn is our guest. and later, topdonald trump will join us. peyton manning getting sent home by his former team. and also the other football. a touching moment during an english premier loo egg match as the french striker plays tribute to the tragedy in paris.

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we talked about the dallas have been packers game. packers won to move on and will play the seahawks on sunday. >> throwing those darts into end zone on one leg. incredible. the other game broncos hosting the colts. indianapolis defense held peyton manning to one touchdown pass in the game. on the other side andrew luck

threw for 265 and a couple of scores. but colts hands denver first in those devastating loss at home this season. final score, 21-13. broncos offense only managed 13 points. upset for the colts. >> that was hard to watch. >> it was tough to watch. we were just talking about whether or not he walks away from the game. he was asked afterward, i have to process this. i don't think he wants that to be everyone's impression. west point, good young team still around him. saturday's match-up seahawks and panthers. seattle relying on russell wilson, three trds stouchdowns for wilson. leading the seahawks to 31-17 win over carolina. it was tight for a while but they pulled away late. wes moore's ravens. tom brady, what a beautiful ball that was. digging new england out of two 14-point deficits and three touchdown passes. that was 23 yarder.

put the patriot it iss up for good. passing joe montana for most all-time final score, 35-31. so that sets up these match-ups. packer goes to seattle on sunday in the nfc championship game. afc championship game the colts travel to new england to take on the patriots. wes moore, your pick sir? >> seattle and new england in the super bowl. and i don't see anyone beating seattle right now. >> i like that. >> seattle looks good don't they willie? >> they're good. >> early on in the season they didn't look like they had it together and then pulled it together. better than anybody right now. >> and new england, mike came back from two 14-point deficits. >> tom brady. >> impressive. >> you can make -- i don't know a whole lot about the professional football but i'm told willie and i were talking earlier, you can make a strong case that tom brady is the greatest nfl quarterback of all time. >> if he wins the super bowl

they will say that. tonight college football champ will be decided. oregon takes on ohio state at 8:30 eastern time. it should be a really good game. >> what do you think about that? >> i think oregon is so good. i do. you know you still have that big ten thing with ohio state but you should change the way you think about them under urban meyer but they will probably play better. i want to talk about your book. it's called "the work my search for a life that matters." congratulations. i would have said your life mattered a long time ago. >> look at your resume. >> you've done okay in life. i'll take the premise of the book. why did you feel like you needed to search and how did you start? >> initially started how we wanted to define what the work is. the work i wanted to look is the time when your greatest joys actually begin to overlap with the world's greatest needs and then you choose to do something about it. and in many ways this was a very personal journey for me because whether it's a time in afghanistan and you come back and you're continuing to look for those things that can keep

you fulfilled, and i think i just had a very difficult time finding and identifying what that was. and so after writing the other wes moore, the publisher came back and said would you write what happened to your life sense the conclusion of that book? i said, not really. i said but, the thing that has kept me fascinated over the past decade was it was as constant search of adventures and misadventures of finding what is going to be my role and what is going to be my continued contribution. >> what's your role? >> so i think about the work that i do now is really dealing a lot with higher education. i run a platform called bridge to the u where we're helping to idea the college completion and career placement crisis byry in ryry reinventing the freshman year. that's the choke point where nationally 34% of all students who start college will not complete their freshman year. >> wow. >> what internal voice in you do you hear or do you hear it that

tells you, listen you can make $5 million, $6 million a year on wall street but, you know, go back to baltimore and do this? what does that voice tell you? when did you first hear it? >> i hear it all the time. i remember there was a time i was speelking with a mentor of mine, a guy named bill brodie former president of johns hopkins university and when i told him i was going back to work in finance, after finishing the white house fellowship you know, and he said you know, what are you going to do? i think i'm going to go back and work in finance. he almost looked disappointed. i was expecting for him to be happy. i skad, you know do you not agree with that? he said i think there might be some other things that you might want to focus on and things you want to do. he said something that continues to sit over my shoulder when he said, you know stay there as long as you feel like you need to but as soon as you feel like you're ready to leave, leave, because every day you stay longer than you need to you become extraordinarily ordinary. it wasn't something necessarily an indictment on finance or indictment on wall street but it's an indictment on the fact

that if you're not doing your job, if you're not doing your work then you will become extraordinarily ordinary. and everyone has that. so the question is are we willing to then dig deep and find what exactly that is. in this book i examined not just my journey but the journey of other individuals, nine other individuals who in many ways in all different sectors, public sector, private sector military, government, but all people who have found their work. >> wes moore the book is "the work, my search for a life that matters." thank you so much. great to have you on today. coming up after the attacks in paris senator john cornyn says it's time to put political correctness aside and call the fight against extremists what it really is. he joins us next with more on that.

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senate majority leader from texas, senator john cornyn. senator, a lot to talk about. let's start with obviously what happened in paris last week and what continues to happen across europe and across america. what's your reaction? >> well, it's unfortunately -- it's a tragedy. of course, it was great to see the solidarity that various

world leaders had with the french. but i think it's a reminder that the world is still a very dangerous place and that terrorism is with us and it is not just isolated the arabian peninsula or africa. it can be exported anywhere in the world. >> should we have gone president obama, getting a lot of criticism, for not attending the rally. >> i think on -- in retrospect he probably has to think, well, i should have gone. but for a guy who gives the president a lot of criticism about a lot of policy things to me that's not the biggest thing that i'd like to see him do. >> yeah. well, we will ask you that later on, what the biggest thing is. how are the republicans starting their new majority in the senate? how is it going? >> it's bumpy but it's going to be different. we actually passed bipartisan legislation last week that's important in this city and

around the country, terrorism risk insurance. and we're on the keystone excel pipeline which according to the state department president obama state department had 42,000 jobs. give us a save additional supply of energy from an ally and neighbor canada. so we'll have that vote this afternoon. >> four votes short from the reports i've read? >> we'll pass it with -- i think there are 63 votes approximately to pass the bill which will get it out of the senate. the question is whether it will override a presidential veto and that remains a work in progress. >> mike? >> in your mind senator, your own mind not the senate's mind what would be a bigger priority to continue the economic growth that seems to be picking up a bit of steam in this country for working people m, including, you know raising their pay, or this seemingly obsession that some in the house have with dismantling

obamacare? >> economic growth is the single most important thing on our agenda, i believe. i read joe's blog piece in politico talking about stagnant wanls s wages which is the real scandal in this country and something chuck schumer acknowledged after the election. he said we made a mistake focusing on obamacare when we should have focused on raising wages for my middle class families. we did get a good quarter growth but the bad news is the labor participation rate, the percentage of people in the workforce is about a 30-year low. and we've got a lot of work to do. so economic growth i think, in job creation should be job number one. >> senator cornyn how much credit are you willing to give president obama? you pointed out wages are stagnant, we agree it's not a good thing but if six years ago you had said the unemployment rate would be where it is right now, around 5.5% 5.6% i think you probably would have thought that was a good thing. how much credit does the president deserve? >> i think, you know, more than

just giving credit i think one quarter doesn't tell the story as we've discussed. flat wages for middle class families and low-labor participation is a problem. i think what we can say is the economy is still fragile and we need to encourage the private sector, the main source of job dproet growth in the country, to do better at investing and hiring more people. i think we can do that bypassing things like the keystone pipeline focusing on trade, bipartisan agreement that i think we can work on together i think they are able to participant in the process, putting good ideas forward and getting them signed into law. >> david ignatius is in washington with a question for you. >> senator cornyn, coming back to the tragedy last week in france. i wonder if you think the united states government should be talking about countering muslim

extreme i'm or extremism or a more generic term for this mainly to avoid alien alienateing the muslim constituencies on whoom intelligence agencies will have to depend for cooperation? >> david, my impression is that most muslims believe that what we saw in paris and kinds of terrorist activities don't rep their religion and represents extremism that they don't recognize as pat of their religious doctrine. i do think we've had too much political correctness and calling things like the attack in ft. hood, major nadal hassan workplace violence, calling what we've been doing in afghanistan and iraq overseas contingencies operations. the first step to dealing with the problem is to call it what it is. and this is terrorism. >> and you're not worried, senator, that you might end up alienateing the folks whose help you need? >> i think there's always a

chance that some people might disagree with you, but i think we ought to be clear about what we are calling it what we believe it is, and what we believe the threat to our way of life and our homeland is. and we ought to deal with it straightforward. >> what's the difference between the threat right now in europe and the threat in america? >> i think it's more joe. i think we were worried about al qaeda and what happened on 9/11 osama bin laden, and now as we've seen because of the internet and because of this radicalization has occurred in different ways in different parts of the country. so anywhere we have failed states, where we have power vacuums, al qaeda and its affiliates are able to organize and even with just three people commit a lot of mayhem and murder. >> okay. one final question. >> stop. >> i couldn't even do it with a straight face. >> i was going to ask him if he

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sorted, the middle has given way, three macro causes. three parties dominate the house and the senate. then you've got these media models now that basically cater to one side or the other. plus the internet. and then finally campaign finances, it's gone. it's gone. money has gone from the parties, which have been a centering force in american politics for 200 years, out to the wings. >> martin i guess you would agree obviously since you wrote the book on it but gerrymandering in part that created the hyper partisan districts, is one of the biggest problems. >> joe, there's no question about that. and one of the recommendations we make is that congress -- and congress has the authority to do this -- should pass legislation requiring states to appoint bipartisan commissions to draw the districts. the problem is the way the districts are drawn now, safe democrat or safe republican districts, the real election is in the primary not in the general. now, not a lot of people lose primaries but a lot of people change their voting patterns because they're worried about

challenger. >> they become hyper partisan or hyper liberal. >> what's the solutions? >> yeah. talk about some of the solutions. >> i mean, i think campaign finance you have to attack that at this point. a lot of the parties to take some more money that they're limited to do. i think many are popular but mccain-feingold has been turned on the head with citizens united an the like. i think we like to bring earmarks back as opposed to right now letting someone else. >> also we propose full disclosure. it's interesting. mitch mcconnell was for full disclosure 12 or 13 years ago when mccain-feingold was made up now he's opposed to it because the c-4s, outside groups don't have disclose they can take unlimited amounts of corporate money and money from wealthy individuals and we propose just pass a law saying that any organization that mentions a federal candidate by name ought to have to fully disclose

donors. that could be passed tomorrow if congress wanted to. >> that would be great. >> congressman davis, given what's happened to your business in politics and yours as well, congressman, over, say, the past 15 to 20 years, given everything that you just described in brief today, given the fact that congress has a two-year term in which you're always really running. why would anyone want to run for office today? >> funny, you never run out of candidates do you? >> yeah. >> people still think they can make a difference. they run to make a difference and they come to washington and think end up in certainer boxes and they don't have the ability basically to sometimes vote their conscience because of the restrictions that the party puts on them in terms of getting nominated. november is a constitutional formality for 80% of the house members. >> there are a lot of idealistic people who still believe that they can come and make a difference. i don't always agree with their views and what they would like to accomplish but there are a lot of people in this country who haven't given up on the

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governments of academies of world football right now that keep developing elite talent. everyone says they're going to be falling away. they shouldn't be taking on the big boys. they went into manchester united. even youfd've heard of them. when george harrison got my mindset on it. >> joey you just watch this match and you looked at some of the best players in europe. for manu. one after another after another after another. and them these no names in southampton that outplayed them. >> out of his mind. the next new england, number one. mark it down. >> he knows. >> one shot on goal approximately zero shots on goal. that went off the coast. zero shots on goal. >> for manchester billy bean ran the football club. southampton is where benny hill comes from. >> very wealthy enclave of long

island has well. >> think about how much money they spent. this is for any sport. we're not going to show his six pack. look at the money they've spent. look at all of this he missed three or four easy shots. >> 274 million pounds. >> yep. >> very expensive. money runs this league. if you look at number one and you look at number two, it's all petra dollar fuel chelsea, manchester city. neck and neck of the half we point. only separated by the letters of the alphabet. >> pounds. >> not one shot on goal. >> yeah. >> unbelievable. another match, everton, plucky everton draws with man city. >> yes they do. it was a draw that felt like a win. manchester city. they felt it. they came in and crushed everton a little bit like polar and tina fey taking on bill cosby at the golden globes. they scored on 74 minutes. not the prettiest goal as

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day. there are millions that marched not just? pair us, but around the world. and they were christians and jews and muslims. they were leaders of countries all over the world, and they didn't march in protest. they marched in support of the idea that we will not walk in fear. we won't do it. so je suis charlie. >> our thoughts are with them. [ speaking foreign language ] >> today we will stand united against those who repress free speech, anywhere from north korea to paris. [ applause ] nice statement at the golden globes last night. good morning, everyone. it's monday january 12th. welcome to "morning joe." we have contributor mike

barnicle. and katy kay is with us and in paris foreign editor for "the daily beast" christopher dickey along with willie joe and me. good morning. weekend okay? >> weekend okay. what a unity march. >> and questions about who attended and who didn't? it's what's being called the largest demonstration ever in french history, between 1.2 and 1.6 million people rallied in pair us to stand united after last week's terror attacks, left 17 victims and three gunmen dead. french official say 3.7 million people from all walks of life and religions took part in demonstrations across the country. many held up cartoon or signs. hundreds of more rallied across the world, but the french president hollande said today

paris is the capital of the world. more than 40 world leaders led the show. benjamin netanyahu, mahmoud abbas and david cameron were among those standing arm in arm with president hollande. the u.s. was represented by the ambassador to francis and assistant secretary of state. the obama administration is facing strong criticism for not send ago top official to the rally. eric holder was in pair us for an anti-terrorism summit but did not attend the rally. the cover of today's "daily news" -- you let the world down. secretary of state john kerry rejected the criticism as quote, quibbling. in a show of solidarity he says he will travel to paris later this week. chris dickey in paris, obviously the pictures showed a remarkable show of unity,

especially when you looked at some of the world leaders walking together in a straight line. tell us about it. >> well you know it was a great photo op. i have to say at the risk of sounding critical. it was a great kumbaya moment where everybody said we're going to stand against terrorism, we're not going to live in fear. the problem is that this may not have much enduring effect in terms of french society or french policy. it's a reaction to the worst massacre on french territory in 50 years, which is the direct result of the worst intelligence failure in 50 years in france. they have yet to figure out exactly how they're going to fix those problems. >> well, france is mobilizing 10,000 security forces amid an all-out manhunt who may be the most wanted woman in the world.

hayat boumeddiene. it is reported that she crossed into syria on january 8th. another video is available, video posted to an official isis website shows coulibaly pledging allegiance to the group. it hasn't been established when and where the video was shot and french police are looking into how it was published. officials are investigating if they had additional help or if the weapons were used in other attacks, including the shooting of a jogger who survived. meanwhile, attorney general eric holders says al qaeda affiliates remains one of the top threats to the united states and is especially concerned about small-scale attacks. >> i don't think there's any question that we have definite mated the core of al qaeda. the threat now i think comes from al qaeda affiliates and

chief among them would be al qaeda on the arabian peninsula. i think we've had an impact but they still remain a viable threat. that's the thing that keeps me up most at night, this concern about the lone wolf who goes undetected. but we are doing, as i said the best we can, marshaling the resource we have. >> wellie we talked about the unity rally, this is a remarkable photograph on the top of "new york times," because of who was in the picture. hollande merkel but look at the book end. >> benjamin netanyahu, and mahmoud abbas. marching together arm in around. >> there have been a lot of symbols the west has had to digest the past 6 months 9 months, year from isis a lot of horrible images. that i think, of course it was

highly symbolic event this weekend. at the same time it certainly sends a message to some terrorists that the west is not going to sit back and fracture. >> symbols are important, but as chris dickey alluded to french politics is still fairly fractureius. they excluded ma rela pen from the march. >> that was not a smart thing to do. >> it was not. i think there's a -- that the united states intelligence opera tiffs have repeatedly over the past several months inquired with france about their handling of internal terrorist suspects. there is a huge amount of criticism i've been told internally about the lack of protection afforded the magazine offices when they have been on the hit list for several months quite publicly, people knowing

this but the picture itself it truly momentarily really encouraging to see such a disparate number of leaders. as willie pointed out from both sides of the israeli/palestinian conflict in the same line of march. it's a moment of encouragement. hopefully the moment will last more than just yesterday's march. >> so david ignatius what do you make of who is not in the picture, the president, the vice president or the secretary of estate for the united states of america were not there. >> it would have been better to have higher-level u.s. representation at this important symbolic moment. i think that was a missed opportunity. i think the bookends of that picture really tell you the central point going forward. it's great for netanyahu and abbas to show up at this tragic moment and express solidarity. they have an agenda of things they could be working on

tomorrow that would make a significant difference in stability in the middle east and will they be working on those things? will they be trying again to find some way to deal with the palestinian issue? i think the answer probably is no. that's still deadlocked. that's the kind of thing you'd like to see coming out of this moment of grief, is real commitment to doing things differently. i just add one thing that wasn't in the march, but moved me. there was a funeral for one of the french algerian policeman that was killed in the initial attack on it is hebdo offices. and his brother said my brother was the muslim. the people who killed him pretended to be muslims. they were terrorists very powerful, simple working-class guy. this that becomes the voice of the french -- where all these

north after kaj immigrants live that would be the positive signal. in the little communities, do people feel we stand with the republic of france? let's go to france and bring in richard engel from paris. richard, reports this morning that france is going to deploy a large number of forces to protect jewish schools, obviously concerned about the next attacks and the rising wave of anti-semitism, especially among muslim groups there that obviously target add kosher supermarket last week. >> reporter: the reports are that they will deploy about 4,000 security forces in front of the roughly 700 jewish schools nationwide. that's part of some 10,000 extra security that are being put out, and i can tell you already this morning we saw heavily armed men in fatigues standing in front of

the eiffel tower, all of the flags on the buildings here in downtown paris remain at half staff. this is still a country that is coping with what it thinks could be an ongoing plot. they're worried there could be follow-on attacks, copycat attacks. they're looking for accomplices to the three men who have now all admitted in their statements to the media or in their recorded testimonyial that they were responsible for doing thor trifl attacks. there are questions, did they have accomplices? one named suspect is believe to have fled the country. the common-law wife of the man who went into the supermarket and took hostages, who went into the kosher supermarket and killed four hostages hayat boumeddiene, according to officials, left this country

going to istanbul on january 2nd, so before the attacks took place, stayed in turkey for about a week on the asian side of istanbul then traveled to orfa in southern turkey crossing the border officials believe, into syria on january 8th. >> richard, it's willie. some inside france have called this france's 9/11. we all know how our day-to-day lives, whether it's travel or working around a major city changed after september 11th. is there a sense in paris and europe at large, really that this one day has changed everything for europe? will it feel different in those cities now? >> reporter: you don't hear those same kind of draconian statements coming out of french officials that today we will never be the same our life has to be different, our civil liberties have to be

compromised. perhaps they learned from lessons that a lot has changed between 9/11 and today in france but there is a feeling this country feels very vulnerable that what they saw happening in yemen or afghanistan is suddenly did happen here in paris. that image of two heavily armed men, the quo kouachi brothers dressed in all black, cradling their ak-47s, going through the streets, entering the newspaper, executing the staff, going out, killing a police officer in cold blood, and then driving away with their car full of grenades and molotov cocktails and isis paraphernalia. people thought that was something that only happened far away in war zones, and there is an uneasy feeling that that kind of commando attacked happened here just a few days ago. >> richard engel, in paris, and

katty case who was there, who wasn't there, but the impact on journalism long term? >> yeah there's been a huge amount of focus on the issue of freedom of speech. of course people have raised the question mika did hebdo go too far? i think what people are saying is what we have to stand up for is 100% the right for in a democratic society, people to be able to express themselves in the media however they want to. i think the real challenge is what chris dickey said earlier, not the unity rally we saw yesterday and whether the president turned up or didn't turn up which is a valid one in terms of u.s. politics but what happens in france in terms of policy. the toxic mix is in the suburbs surrounding paris, surrounding cities in toulouse in prisons

where people are being radicalized, and what is the long-term strategy for detoxifying those areas. i'm getting reports that some schools in the strongly muslim neighborhood, the kids didn't assistant for a minute of silence. they see those attackers as heroes. how do we change that? that is where the problem for europe lies. down to flight 8501 search teams retrieved one of the flight's black boxes, and located another. 9 kelly, what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. divers have brought the flight data recorder up to the surface. they found it in about 100 feet of water underneath a wing. there was part of a plane engine there as well. they believe the cockpit voice recorder is in the same area.

they haven't seen it yet, but there are reports it's under some very heavy wreckage and they're simply having trouble getting it. every confidence they will bring it to the surface fairly soon. both were found about two piles from where that tail section was found. it was brought to the surface, brought onto the deck of a ship on saturday. you can see when it was loaded on, that it was badly damaged. it is the main piece of wreckage that's been found so far. a number of objects have been spotted on sonar, but none of them spotted down below by divers or confirmed by divers. they're still looking for this large piece of fuselage. more than 100 people are missing. they hope they find their remains, if they can find the fuj las, mika. >> thank you, kelly. still ahead on "morning joe" the wincers, losers and surprises from last night's golden globe awards. and donald trump, moments

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that's where we're see the worst of the driving conditions. you will notice the big cities from d.c. new york philly providence, all above freezing. you're okay. how about our friends in minneapolis, international falls? another day with negative 20 to negative 30 windchilling. in the society, bring the umbrella, in the northeast a bit of patience on the roads today. could be a little icy, especially outside the big cities. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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>> and killed him. >> it ended in his death. i wonder who is proud to embrace that guy, which they did immediately. >> i can't imagine being his attorney. >> embraced him immediately. a court date is february 17th. if convicted he could face up to five years best hind bars. zimmerman was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter as we mentioned in the death of trayvon martin in 2013. zimmerman sued nbc news for defamation, a claim that was dismissed by a judge. he has appealed that decision. from the huffington post who members of the tuskegee air men passed away on the same day. >> clarence huntley jr. and joseph chambray died last sunday. the family say the two men who were friends for their entire lives, enlisted together in 1942. from the hill now, general martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs of saying saying united states needs to close the military prison in guantanamo

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who should i fire? >> geraldo. based solely on merit. >> if i were you, i should say i

should fire kevin. nobody outthinks me. nobody. so i don't understand you. >> i'm not sitting here screaming, ranting and raving. that's not my style. i'll have a conversation later should i survive. >> that's right, should you survive. should you survive? do you think you should survive? do you think he should survive? >> yes. >> then you do? then kevin, you're fired. that was geraldo rivera you were right, everything you just said. >> he's a survivor. >> okay. that was donald trump firing kevin jonas of the jonas brothers. see, i learn these things from thomas, on the new season of "celebrity apprentice." he joins us from doral, florida. good to see you. >> good morning.

i'm at doral, and we're having a lot of fun. >> thomas says you e-mail a lot. >> i think tom is terrific. he does a terrific job not only with you, but hosts the miss university pageant, and thomas is fantastic. >> thanks donald. >> we pay him too much. that's my only problem. >> we still need to talk about that. >> thomas do you know your value? >> no. >> i'll help you out. >> donald e-mailed me this number one, for the evening. they are beating everybody's pants off for on every other network. so far the people who have been fired are kevin jonas, gilbert godfrey and keesha pull i don't? >> not only does he know what's happening, he was mouthing it word for word as we were showing the replay. he actually has memorized the entire thing. >> he's obsessed.

>> i love the show. i actually called him to congratulate on what a success they are having. >> that was so nice. see, he's negotiating for the higher fees but he did actually call me. >> okay. >> he said he's hooked. that's good. when thomas is hooked that's a good things. >> donald tell me what you think about presidential politics on the republican side. do you think that perhaps mitt romney is trying to take jeb bush's thunder away? >> i know for a fact they don't like each other. i would say the last thing we need is another bush. as far as romney is concerned, he had a great chance of winning, and he blew it. he's like a deal maker that couldn't close the deal. so you just can't give him another chance. it didn't work. he got less votes than john mccain got years before. he was unable to close the deal that should have been easily closed. i'm at the trump national doral, and we have the great championships here. certainly golfers cannot sink

the three-foot putt on the 18th. joe knows a lot about it. >> so donald can you sink a three-foot putt. a lot of people have been telling you to go out on the course, run for president. if you go out there and run, can you sink the three-foot putt? >> i think so. i think i could do well. i think if i got it i would do a lot of things differently, but i think the people that are running, and many have come to my office it would be an interesting field, that's for sure, but we'll see what happens. i'll be making a decision fairly quickly. >> what's the difference between this time and out other times that you've said you might run? >> well not all the other times. i looked at it seriously only last time. i was in a contractual situation with "the apresentition." it's a big show two hours every night. you know it's a big thing and i have a contractual obligation. i was unable to break. -- >> can you break it this time?

>> i don't have it this time because "the apresentition" will be long gone. it would be over in about five weeks. after that, the timing is good. not only the apprentice but i was building all over the world. we're doing jobs -- in fact one on pennsylvania avenue. we just finished ump trump national dora lvgts and i have kids -- >> if you're president of the united states, you can check out your property on pennsylvania avenue. >> i don't even have to move into the white house. >> exactly. that would probably be slumming it for you. when will he know whether you're going to run for president or not? >> i would say over the next three months. i'm going to make a serious decision. look, i deal with politicians all my life i've been dealing with politicians, whether it's zoning, environmental or other things. i would say over the next three months, i find they're all talk no action. all talk no action. the world is blowing up around us nobody knows what to do.

there are problems that can be involved that these guys can't solve. >> what's happening at doral, and when can i golf? >> there you go. >> i signed the contract about three years ago, blew it up. it used to be called doral, and now it's trump national doral. we have magnificent rooms and suites five massive ball rooms, by the way i'm building a great ballroom on pennsylvania avenue part of the hotel i'm building. i mean it's an incredible luxury ballroom. i shouldn't knock the politicians, because they won't use my ballrooms, but i really don't care. it's become build on pennsylvania avenue. so today we're opening up -- >> the golf course you're standing on, can it handle my swing? >> your swing is excellent. i only saw you hit one shot. it hit the water, bounced out and went near the hall.

i said don't ever hit another shot, mika. by the way, your father last week on the show was fantastic. he said you have to use common sense. nobody's talking about that. >> yeah. >> he said you have to use commons sense and he probably took heat for that. >> he did, lots. >> but he's absolutely right. people have to use common sense also. >> speaking of common sense, i'm going to try to convince donald joe and mika to come with mess to miss university. we will be doing things over at doral. they can play golf be a part of miss university on january the 25th on nbc, and you can drag your feet the whole time, mika but it's a good time. >> count me in donald. >> you know, joe, mika will go crazy, but we're having it three hours on nbc on january 25th. our friend thomas has done such a great job. he's hosting. in the lobby some of the contestants were there and i

said if the conversation isn't that serious -- you have to be very careful, because it's not necessarily politically correct, but if it's not that serious, maybe i could bring some contestants. is this okay thomas. >> oh, my gosh. >> panama brazil. hey, ladies. >> i said mika is going to hate there. hey, thomas protect me from mika. mika is going to hate there. >> oh. >> these are some of the contestants. they look very nice. i'm not going to hate them. >> remember i brought you home miss australia. >> and she was amazing. okay. i'll take on the challenge. i'll check it out and see what good i can find in it all. donald trump, thank you. >> it's a crazy life. >> look at you. >> the new episode of "celebrity apprentice apprentice" airs tonight. >> it's so good. >> thomas will be live tweeting. >> i will. ahead, a look at the golden globes and a look behind the

scenes, all that it takes to put the show together. we'll be right back. we are in the epicenter of the golden globe ballroom. there would be 1300 people here during the show. every guest gets a plus one, except for clooney, who gets his entire table. ah george buddy, so good to see you. >> how much fun do you have doing this every year? >> to have all these people all these superstars from television and movies this close, jammed in together how can you have more fun than that? >> billen would you like champagne? i loved you in asks saint vincent." how hard is it to kind of position all of the tables the hollywood -- >> the hollywood foreign press association is in charge of all seating. i think that's one of the hard zest jobs they have to do. some of the biggest stars in the world are sitting way up there?

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>> doing a very nice jong hosting last night's golden globes awards. now here's louis on the red carpet. >> i'm at the 72nd annual golden globe awards for one extraordinary party. ♪ >> let's go right here. congratulations. >> thank you. good to see you. >> because of the feeling in my tight shoes? and how thrilling -- no you know what? when you're doing a show like this we're the little engine that could, so to have the lights on and people interested i am out of my hind with happiness.

>> it's different, because it's like everybody in show biz is here. i'm excited to see everybody, just to like take it in. >> tonight is a lot of fun, because i guess, everyone gets drunk. who will get the most drunk? man, i don't drink really. all i do is have a sip of red wine, and then i'm at the top of the hotel, helicopters would be on top of me. >> you look beautiful. >> thank you. you've been watching you a long time. >> you and morning joe? massive. >> i'm afraid to go on your show. >> why? mika would love to have you. >> they're intimidating. not that many people intimidate me but i love them both. >> what's a rougher town, hollywood or washington? [ laughter ] >> talk to me in a few years, i'll give you the answer to that. >> how difficult was it to film something over so many years? >> it was the only way to make this movie and tell the story, so i think we're still processing it even being over

you know everybody that worked on it, is it even finished yet? ♪ how does it feel to win this award? >> it feels terrific. >> is it heavy? how does it feel? >> hold it. pretty heavy, right? >> it's nice man. >> i told somebody it feels lice a murder weapon from a colombo episode. >> she's intimidated by us? joe, don't scare her. >> she's amazing. i've always been such a huge fan. >> i know. >> see, i do have serious questions about us having louis actually refer to george clooney as hey, george how are you? you're still looking good. hey, sal ma you look great. >> celebrity editor of "the

huffington post" and meta agerwad, alyssa rosenberg. good to have you all on board. "buyhood" winning three awards including best drama. does that assume there's an oscar coming next? >> i certainly thing it makes the cinematic experience a real front-runner. patricia arquette won a very well-deserved best actress award, and i think we have to assume this will be a big contenter at the oscars. it's tough, because "boyhood" won out against "selma" recently, and the movie about martin luther king and the civil rights movie is a terrific accomplishment in so many way. it's biopic history and horror movie all in once. some of the most powerful staging of violence at the

movies in such a long time. >> so this is the night we celebrate movies and tv. last night so amazing for transparent, which isn't on tv it's on amazon but talk about this show and why this is so groundbreaking? >> it's a huge night for "transparent" but also really well deserved. this is a show that jill sal oway made and she gave such a terrific speech. it tells the show of jeffrey tembar playing the head of a family who's coming out to his adult children as transgender. it does it in a human and light -- it has a wonderful touch. it was great those is performance rewarded and everything was thinking jeff bezos, and judith light. the show has the best characters on it. it's so good. >> i'm going to look at that.

that's interesting the whole amazon and then they played a big promo for "house of cards" everything -- the whole language has changed in terms of how we view. >> and that trailer broke the internet when it premiered. my god, is that a new "house of cards" trailer? >> what were the big surprises, first of all "grand budapest hotel" beats "birdman" that's a surprise? >> that was a surprise. he was so funny during his acceptance speech. but well deserved as well. tv a lot of surprise it is. >> "fargo" beating "true detective" then we had "the affair" take the best drama category, which was shocking to many people. >> we just had the guys here too, last week from "the imitation game" talking to

them -- >> i told them that they were going to win. >> well that was very kind of you. >> i thought they would. >> that was a surprise they kind of got shut out. >> but in and out a true indicator of what will happen the rest of the season. >> it's a very small body about 90 members, so while it can shift momentum it's not a decides factor. >> with all of the categories they kind of mix together for the oscars so you never really know. how did tina and amy do on their final run? >> it was wonderful. great to see their dueling bill cosby internations which is hugely uncomfortable, but a powerful moment in the evening. they didn't own the stage as much as they have in previous years. i think they made space for other people and presenters. a false note i think was the ongoing north korean shtick.

and it sort of object secures an important fact. north korea may have managed to threaten the united states over "the interview" and take advantage of that movie, but hollywood engages in more soft voluntary censorship when it comes to china and when it comes to russia so i thought it was -- i understand the impetus, but the really brave thing moofb to look at the voluntary censorship that hollywood engages in all the time. >> we have to leave it there. much more "morning joe" in just a moment. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding.

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[ music and wh all right. before we go wrap up golden globes, who do you think was best dressed? >> i thought there were interesting, cool outfits, but i liked amall clooney. >> i would have lost the gloves honestly. i don't think they were

necessary. >> they are a striking couple. >> she sewed them herself, she's a human rights lawyer, and she's rocking it more. >> striking couple. he was in his wedding tux. >> and naomi watts, alison williams looked amazing. we saw a lot of this yellow and red trends as well as this glittery sequinned -- >> julianne moore had a sequins -- >> i saw several that didn't fit, but maybe that's just me. thank you for wrapping it up with us. "the rundown" picks up things after a quick break. have a great day.

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