good morning. it is tuesday, january 13th. >> we were going to bump in with josh, yeah. >> yeah. we'll get to that. >> do you have your dalmation jacket? >> i do have a jacket. >> where is it? >> do i look like a dalmation? >> no i don't look like a dalmation, do i? he thinks i look like one. >> no. >> put it on. >> okay. i'm a little cold. anyhow, it's january -- do i look like a dalmation? >> yes, you do. i would take that off right now. >> with us onset, mike barnicle.

i'm not sure why i'm asking your fashion advice. look. very good. now he's come a long way. >> this actually is very nice. who is this? >> maggie. >> i knew it was something great. >> the best. sam is here. >> school day. >> yeah yeah. >> two-fold as mike said. >> a lot going on. >> the joke never gets old. >> it does get old. >> it's not funny anymore. >> never stops. last night i got to say, guys i mean i'm still stunned that the big ten is not the worst conference in football. i mean they have been bad for so long and i heard kirk herbstreit say this last night after the game, they have been bad for so long. they have been slow, fat, and plotting. but, man, last night, this ohio state team they were impressive as any s.e.c. team i've seen in a while. >> beat oregon alabama, and beat wisconsin 59-0 consecutive

weeks, then you're the most dominant team in the country. >> and the quarterback, man. >> he's great. what do you do next year? you have the three great quarterbacks. braxton miller. >> do you know who you play? you play the guy that beat wisconsin 59-0 beat the alabama crimson tide the best team talentwise, and then oregon. you have no other choice. >> their running back zeke elliott is incredible. there's a difference of one man. talk about urban meyer, he comes into the big ten, recruits the speed that he brought from the s.e.c. and all of a sudden ohio state and big ten, may look at michigan state, michigan maybe coming up. harbaugh. >> when do you think the pac-10 including oregon is going to start concentrating on learning how to tackle well? ohio stit was ohio state was great. oregon could not tackle anyone. >> just smaller. it could happen in a year if

urban meyer or somebody else -- >> best jewish player in football. >> i love that. >> wore a crop top, which is great. >> what this really shows, it's just college football on a smaller level but we saw this at the university of alabama. you see it a lot of times in politics. you see it in business. certainly saw it at ford when alan mullally went to ford. one man, one woman can make a difference. >> yeah. >> in an -- you can have the best -- i've seen this through the years. you can have the best organization in the world, you can have the best government in the world, best democracy in the world, you can have the best church in the world, you can have the best college football program with the best facilities in the world. but if you don't have that one strong leader that can make a difference actually bend history, it's all nor naught. again, on a much smaller level but this is an example of how one person makes a difference. >> he did it essentially

overnight. it wasn't this long process for ohio state. >> in the old regime like last year the title game would have been alabama/florida state. we never would have seen this. >> never out of the south. >> thank you, college football for implementing it. >> ohio state/michigan is going to be an event every fall. every fall. >> you guys hear about this former miami dolphins player? >> incredible. >> incredible. >> this is incredible. the guy falls off his boat. he's like fishing alone on his own boat. i think it's off miami. don't know. it's serious. i get very worried if my dad goes out in a boat alone for a lot of reasons. he fell off his boat and was in the water for 16 hours. >> almost rescued twice. >> almost rescued twice but didn't get seen. they didn't see him. he was being eaten by jellyfish, swirled around by -- this is rob konrad. and so apparently he was washed offshore. he had -- i don't know how he made it but he had a press

conference with his wife and talked about it. take a look. >> i prayed to god to send a boat or the coast guard to come get me. and, yeah i mean after some time i just said look i'm not dying tonight. and i'm going to make it to shore. the fishing boat had the lights on. he couldn't have been 50 yards from me. and i had been in the water at least ten hours at that point in time. and to have the boat come that close and not hear you or see you was just -- you had to get your mind right at that point in time. but, look i've got two -- two beautiful daughter ss. i was hitting that shore.

>> wow. >> yeah. that's -- that's incredible. so he's home. i know we were saving that for later but while we were on the topic of sports i just was so taken by that story. all right. let's get to the news. officials in paris are warning hayat boumeddiene may not be the only suspect in the paris terror attack still at large. up to six members of a terror cell are reportedly still on the loose. police officials tell the associated press that one man was seen driving the mini cooper car registered to boumediene. there's also new video showing her and a man arriving at an airport in istanbul january 2nd days before the attacks. turkey's foreign minister said she crossed into syria from turkey the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the first issue of the satirical newspaper since the attack is on the newsstand that showing the profit mohammed holding a sign saying hi, i'm charlie and the words, all is forgiven.

the former writer for the paper said the staff was determined to get back to work. >> the survivors are very very shook, for sure. the first day was very difficult for them to work to just focus. they are very few now, but because they knew that our wanted them to draw crazy, stupid guys who can kill for a cartoon, they start again to work. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu visited that grocery store in paris to remember the victims and to urge world leaders to come together and fight terrorism. in just a short time ago funerals were held for the four french jews killed in the grocery store standoff. joining us now from jerusalem amman. set the scene for us there. >> good morning, mika. we're hearing right now from

french minister. she is one of the dignitaries that has been speaking a short while ago. we heard from the israeli prime minister as well as the israeli president who both addressed the crowds of mourners here. hundreds of people have gathered to pay their final respects to the four victims of that terror attack on friday in the kosher supermarket. there people here with the signs that we have seen all around the world, je suis charlie, expressing solidarity with all the mourners here but as well with the victims and the families, the families of the four arrived to israel early this morning with those bodies. they are going to be laid to rest here at the cemetery. but the message that has been coming out from israeli officials has been one particularly that of prime minister benjamin netanyahu who all of europe's jews that they have a home here and this is where the world's jewish community can feel safe. israel welcomes all world's jews with open arms.

that's been one of the issues that has been triggered as a result of this terror attack on friday, whether or not it is safe for french jews to remain in france or whether or not they should come here to israel. but it has been a very somber day. the message that has been coming out of officials here is that these individuals that were killed, they are not alone, they are part of the community here. and we've been hearing that message over and over from all the officials that have been addressing the crowd. in terms of the ceremony that we've seen, the four bodyiesyies were brought here to the cemetery, where the speeches have been taking place, it will be a lot quieter once the bodies have been taken i side the cemetery with the families where they will be buried in a private ceremony. mika? >> thank you. >> you know it's -- looking at that i'm struck by come of the coverage that i've seen since these shootings. at the beginning there were some networks including cnn, that were saying well, this wasn't focused towards jews. these weren't antisemetic

attacks. it wasn't in a jewish section of town. a bbc reporter is now calling for his resignation because he actually was interviewing a holocaust survivor mike he was interviewing a holocaust survivor and she talked about how she was fearful about growing antisemitism which is a very well documented fact during france and throughout europe. he said well, the israelis treat the palestinians badly, too. comparing the killing of 6 million jews to an on-going fight in israel. >> yeah well -- >> i mean there is antisemitism in europe and there's antisemitism in the media. >> one of the sub stories here one of the off leads in this story and has been for quite some time is the clearly increasingly rising antisemitism throughout all of europe. but specifically in france. and it's something that the french have failed to deal with or are incapable of dealing

with. i don't know what nation can deal with the threat of antisemitism. but it is growing. >> sure. i mean throughout europe there's just a very different perception of the israeli/palestinian conflict than there exists in the united states. it feeds into a lot of the antisemitism you see on that continent. it hits this home in a visceral way, obviously, but it also underscores the pretty much the fundamental reason for the founding of israel which is you have to have a refuge. >> there is a reason why israel exists. and for people in europe that don't understand why israel exists take what happened last week and multiply it about, you know 2 million times. and the holocaust in europe and antisemitism that has been in europe for centuries. and it's not going away. it is getting worse now. the fact that the bbc has a correspondent as insensitive and cold to the realities, this did

not happen 300 years ago. this happened you know 60 65 years ago. while europe sat by and did nothing, they let 6 million jews be exterminated. this is why israel exists. and people need to get a hell of a lot more sensitive to it even if they are left-leaning media members. and i cannot believe that bbc is going to allow this man to stay on the bbc. and there are some other people that need to be very careful when they're trying to characterize clearly killings that are antisemetic and try to brush that away because i guess for some reason it doesn't fit their political agenda. >> all right. the white house says admitting it was wrong. not to send a higher level official to the giant unity rally in paris. why didn't they? >> why didn't they? >> press secretary josh earnest still faces tough questions for

stating security factors were a concern on short notice. >> how do you explain that that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he made it there. he's a huge target unfortunately. >> i'll allow the israelis to discuss that. >> dozens of leaders from countries very important. they're not america but very important. how did they make it there? >> talk with them about the security precautions they have in place. >> mandela dozens of security might be more but it comes up at short notice. unfortunately mandela dies me wanted to be there. he made it. >> the difference with president mandela is that there had been discussions that had been ongoing for frankly a number of years about the ceremony that would take place in the event of his death. >> you said the president personally wishes he would have liked to have gone. why didn't he? what was he doing on sunday? we haven't gotten an account of what the president did on sunday? >> i haven't stone to the president about what he did yesterday. >> it can't be. >> politico is reporting that administration officials were

caught off guard by the size of the sdrags and never even asked the president about attending. i saw a funny tweet, mike barnicle, that said the president was shocked and angry when he read about the newspaper that he wasn't there. i mean come on you can't blame the staff, the press in the united states. and, mika you don't why eric holder who was actually in paris didn't show up or the vice president. >> it's not possible he was in the city of paris, no. this must be wrong. it can be. >> this is what you have you have vice presidents in a glass enclosure, hey joe, you've got to go to paris. joe would of go to paris. joe would have loved to have been in paris me would have love to have been there. some suggesting willie geist, why the president didn't attend. >> before i get to that you're talking about this byron york piece. the lead of that politico piece we just referenced has white house aides watching the march and seeing the leaders arm in arm going oh, no there's germany, there's spain, there's

great britain, there's netanyahu netanyahu, there's abbas, we probably should have went. snuck up on them. >> telegraph to germany and figure out. how do you not know that the world's leaders are going to be at this event, mike? >> wait. >> the explanation in some ways made it worse. this decision made it made it to the president of the united states. hello. i mean come on. was the president not following the news? did he not know people got killed? >> but they also haven't been able to account for what he was doing. what was he doing? >> watching football i guess. >> yeah, he was watching -- >> or the golden globe gls no stop. that's not funny. >> he was watching the playoffs. >> no, he was not. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> i'm not laughing. >> i'm not trying to be funny. it's good you're not laughing. >> the white house is always like, we don't care about the thee atatrics of the office and you guys talk about the optics and all that stuff. fine, whatever. they clearly do care enough that they admit fault. >> can you imagine being stiffed

after 9/11? everybody showing up but a french president, what we would say? >> eric holder was taping an interview for "meet the press." >> well, at least he came to nbc, right? >> wow. >> byron york writing in the washington examiner. see what you think about this. the uproar over whether president obama or another top administration official should have attended the massive unity rally in paris has obscured an important point about the white house's reaction to the late esther reporter attacks in europe. the administration no-shows were not a failure of optics or a diplomatic misstep but were instead the logical result of the president's years-long effort to downgrade the threat of terrorism and move on to other things. so when the president chose not to attend the paris march, nor to send the vice president or security of state, the problem wasn't a tin-ear sense of pr it was obama's actual attitude toward the terror threat facing not only europe but the united states. we've dealt with the big stuff, obama has declared now let's move on. it sounded good until the

bullets started flying. a lot of head shaking here. >> i don't buy that at all. >> no. >> just from a brief, brief glimpse of knowledge of what goes on around national security around the president of the united states, he is on it every single day. >> he is on what? >> he is all over this war on terror. just count the number of drone strikes. >> i wonder if there was a security issue. >> he was wrong in 2001. dead wrong in 2012. he said al qaeda was destroyed. isis was a jv team. he said they were on the run. the last remnants. it sounded -- you can go back and look at what donald rumsfeld said about iraq's opposition being in the death throws over laid on what barack obama said. we've yot gone robinson coming. he wrote a column saying that barack obama was finished and said it was everything except

the mishsion accomplished sign because we won and it's time for us to go back and live our lives. this is the fantasy that barack obama lived in perhaps for political reasons in 2011 and 2012 because of ideological reasons because he wanted to show everybody how enlightened he was. and what cavemen george w. bush and dick cheney were. and this does not fit his enlightened point of view. and so i think byron york is definitely on to something here. if you send somebody to what is now being called france' 9/11 you are admitting that everything you said about al qaeda in 2011 and everything you said about al qaeda in 2012 when you were run for president and making fun of mitt romney was wrong. the french willie will say this was the worst attack by al

qaeda since september 11th. and i wonder just how bad barack obama's quotes from 2011 and 2012 would look juks ajeks posed over this newspaper. >> some things soud stupid. >> like mission accomplished. as stupid as what george w. bush did on the carrier? >> yeah. >> the jv quote. >> i'm going to make an attempt to defend this. >> put this in the context of what mike is talking about. >> by the way, on the jv team thing he still can't -- he still can't just admit that he's wrong. he said, oh, you can put kobe bryant jersey on a jv team. no isis is not a jv team. they hacked centcom yesterday. >> which i still need to get to. >> byron is suggest that he doesn't -- he's a tin-ear to

terrorism, i just on every other show we have on here we've lamented how much the security state has expanded because of terrorism. whether it's doing these surveillance, the wiretaps, floor monitoring, the drones there are obviously policies that the president has put in place that show he's very much on top of it. i'm just sort of oh we can't have it both ways. >> if you're president of the united states -- >> sam, al qaeda's destroyed. they're on the run. >> yes, he's rhetorically misstepped. this was clearly a pr disaster. >> we're talking about -- >> he's having a total tin-ear to terrorism doesn't make sense. >> should i make defend this decision or move on to centcom? just getting a sense from -- >> you can't defend the decision. >> i'm having a hard time. i will just be honest. i know just on the outskirts of watching what it took to get the president to sweden i can't even -- there might have been some sort of what they can't dispose security.

>> hey, it's the vice president, can you go to paris? yeah, i'll go to paris. okay. >> i'm going to go on to centcom here. the twitter account for the pentagon command for u.s. forces in the middle east is back online this morning. >> good. >> after being hacked. and it's not funny. >> the jv team hacked it? >> stop. >> you don't know if it's isis. >> the youtube account was hacked without warning and they loaded isis militant videos. cybercaliphate and said, quote, i love you, isis. one tweet warned american soldiers to watch their back adding, quote, we are coming. the hackers also posted names and phone numbers of high ranking generals as well as power point slides and maps but defense department officials stressed the information was not classified and that no military secrets were compromised. this took place at roughly the same time president obama addressed the federal trade commission about cyber security. this tweet was sent out shortly after 10:00 p.m. reading, quote, we're back.

centcom temporarily suspended its twitter account after an act of cybervandalism. the youtube account was taken down. joining us now, cyber security expert and president and ceo. >> miller how does something like this happen? >> and how bad is it? >> yeah. good morning. good morning, mika. good morning, joe. the -- this is a situation of social media accounts and credentials being compromised. we all know that social media accounts are frequently shared and easily compromised. so that's the good news of this situation. i think the bad news of the situation is that, you know this is my second time in as many weeks being on the show. and while i love hanging out with joe and mika we're just seeing an onslaught of cyber crime. and every voice and every conversation has been about

protecting the networks and this is another indication that protecting nets works and systems is not enough. the only way to solve this problem is to protect or encrypt data at its core with smart encryption rendering it absolutely useless if it gets in the wrong hands. >> miller it's willie geist. i think there's some assumption in the public that centcom, the united states military the state department, have layers of security on twitter, for example, that the rest of us don't have. so how difficult would this kind of cyber attack have been on centcom? >> so let's just -- i'm really sure that central command takes a different approach to securing military operation networks and systems than they do social media networks. social media networks security is out of the hands of centcom.

that's all about twitter and youtube. >> miller newton thank you very much. later this hour we're going to speak with a former white house cyber security coordinator with both president bush and president obama. still ahead on "morning joe," nypd commissioner bill bratton will be here and then the always outspoken susie essman is back. she joins us at 8:30. if you have a question for susie and you don't mind a couple of f-bombs, tweet me at my twitter handle, @morningmika. we'll be right back.

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get there because they had to deactivate the third rail. >> can you imagine what was going through their minds. from reuters now. what may be the most telling piece of evidence in determining the cause of the airasia flight has been covered. divers were able to retrieve the plane's cockpit voice recorder from the wreckage. an important step toward determining what caused the jet to go down in the java sea. the voice recorder holds the last two hours of conversation between the pilots and air tral traffic controllers. it's now on its what i to jakarta or for analysis. investigators say it may take up to a month to go through all the data that black box contains. the ""los angeles times"" the race for the california senate seat being vacated next year by retiring democrat barbara boxer is heating up. kamala harris is expected to announce her bid today. california lieutenant governor gavin knew some's announcement

yesterday citing unfinished work in his state. billionaire democratic donor tom stir is expected to weigh in on a possible bid today though it's unclear if he will announce former los angeles mayor antonio toenne i have viaggaros has also been mentioned. wow, look at those contenders potentially. >> get all three of those. quite a race. entertainment weekly, cbs announced "late show can stephen colbert." he will take over hosting duties for david letterman on september 8th. colbert said i have nine months to make a show just like a baby. so first, i should find out how to make a baby. >> okay. i'm sure he can learn. "the boston globe," for anyone looking to unplug your cellphones, you're in luck. there's an app for it. what? digital detach is just one of many apps in a rapidly growing

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paris, hosts of msnbc's reporter nan farrow he sat down with the former writer charlie hebdo, caroline forest, who weighed in on the upcoming issue of the much anticipated magazine. >> i think they want to see no matter what we continue you can kill our colleague, you can kill our friends, you won't kill -- you won't kill the spirit of liberty, you won't kill the

spirit of blasphemy. we all insist on that. it's more than having a sense of humor. >> ronan, thank you for joining us to talk about your interview. i obviously, the entire staff has to be in a state of shock, but they've shown remarkable determination. >> that's exactly right, joe. it's remarkable what they're going through right now. they are hunkering down in new offices just around the corner from here. she told me she was looking at the new cartoons and she saw that spirit of defiance. they're shaken but they also wanlthd want to send a message to the world they won't be silenced and to the media that they should be showing these images. that's something she said repeatedly. >> let's play that right now. >> i don't sleep. i didn't eat. i just drink some water. and i try -- i would like to die

sometime. i think it's -- it's very difficult because, you know -- >> what makes you feel that that you would like to die? >> because i would like to live my life for my boyfriend. i would -- you know. he's a great man. he's a great man, you know. he's my hero. >> and so talk about how -- >> joe i should clarify, that is jeanette who is the widow of stephan, a different individual but essential to this story. i also sat down with her, the first u.s. media interview. she is of course grieving right now even as her partner's face is adorning signs everywhere in this city with such a feature of the unpress sented rally right here at the plaza de republic.

he is beloved and seen as the symbol of the free speech that the editor working on the current issue was so so committed to. so the two big themes here are the french people mourning and i think obviously the widow of the man most central to this story shows that on such a deeply personal level and this determination to move forward, joe. and her interview really speaks to that. when she heard that there were certain u.s. networks and uk networks blurring images of prophet on the new cover that won't show them nbc news has been public we don't show some of the most offensive ones she says that means it's already taken over. interesting perspective there. >> ronan, it's willie. the pulse on the street there in paris, we know there's something like 10,000 troops out protecting various site school media organizations, synagogues places like that. what's the feeling there? i know there's a lot of

resilience. we've watched it over the last couple of days. is there still fear that something else could happen? >> there is fear. people are on edge. but also there's a desire to move past some of the deep rifts in parisian society this has revealed. one of the conversations that i had was a young woman at the rally right as it was winding down who told me unusually i wasn't here. much of france it seems turned out on the streets that day but she said i didn't go because i was afraid. she was a muslim young woman. she said she felt that she was sfra separate from the mainline response from this. we have heard that from muslim communities here jewish communities here reeling from the funerals from those in their neighborhoods. she also said although she felt separate from that moment by the end of the day she came out with some trepidation and after she did she felt free in her

words. >> ronan thank you. >> it doesn't yet seem clear there are going to be results there more concrete but certainly the feeling is one of catharsis. >> ronan thank you so much. we really appreciate it. we will watch at 1:00 p.m. what's nbc -- what are we doing on this whole -- >> we don't display the cartoons as drawn in the magazine because they are deemed to be offensive. >> they depict the prophet mohammed. what do you guys think? i'm curious. what i think may surprise some people. >> in the past we've been displaying them. part of -- one of the main reasons we do not the entire reason, one of the main reasons is simply because we think it's an intricate element of the news story itself. >> it is. >> readers need to know what exactly sparked this bout of violence and we think it's in the public interest to see what type of images were responsible for this. >> what do you think mika? >> i think it is part of the story. it's really hard to get around it. having said that there are

certain cartoons that are offensive, that have vulgar tinges to them. and i don't see the need to show those to anybody. i really don't. it's not tasteful. >> it's a difficult call for editors and news directors because in order to tell the story, as an offering to ensiteful offering to readers and viewers, what are they talking about. >> to your point, this morning i think it's odd to put its story in a newspaper on a website that talks about charlie hebdo is out with the first cover and describing it with words and not showing it. >> i agree with that. >> in the day and age that we live in, you're going to find the cover. you're going -- it's just the reality. >> the question is whether your network wants to do that. and my feeling is that we could show a picture of it if we wanted to just like we could show a picture of a kruscrucifix and

the jar of urine and my question is why. if showing a cartoon offends well over a billion muslims who have -- who are not violent but who are just as offended by that as i would be offended of putting, you know having -- seeing a picture of a crucifix and a jar of urine, why i guess do it. just tell people they can find it online and we don't want to offend over a billion muslims. >> not only that joe. editorial call -- >> by the way -- >> it's not my call. i would show the picture. you are going to offend someone no matter what you do in this day and age. some people are offended by the shots of murder victims in newspapers. >> i know. it's a really really delicate ongoing conversation. >> it's a tough balance. >> my dad got really criticized for talking about being careful, being responsible when you are making cartoons and presenting things. you can't just take -- >> and, listen there are people that are going to do it. >> and the right should be there.

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dan? okay. >> maybe we will try. you know so we were talking. why don't we talk about what we do why don't we talk onset -- on air about what -- >> yeah. >> talk about romney. >> we're going to get to that. >> by the way, mitt romney exact quote a year ago when asked by the "new york times," are you going to run? his response was, oh, no no no no no no no no no no. >> that's protesting too much. >> and i think now, i think he has heard mike barnicle for a year that people want him to run and this he could win and i do think he could. i never thought he could win in 2012. >> come on. >> politics is a strange thing. there is so -- because there's so much chaos out there and republicans believe because barack obama's poor leadership on the international stage that now is the time of an adult, an eisenhower. we're not interested in buying soft drinks anymore.

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predicted. okay, i said this in 2012 how do i restructure it. >> we don't think it has. a lot of people think it has. >> with unemployment under 6 and gas prices -- >> especially on the international. >> international stage i can see. >> very frightening. with us now, chief white house correspondent from politico mike allen. let's look inside the playbook. we're going to be talking more about romney as well. politico is writing that senator elizabeth warren is claiming a bit of a victory over the white house over something that happened yesterday. what was it? >> yeah this is that rare thing in politics a genuine surprise. this is a story that politico's ben white broke yesterday. obama has nominated to be the number three person at the treasury, the undersecretary for domestic finance, antonio weiss who is an investment banker global head of investment

banking for la dzard. elizabeth warren and others on the left of the party said wait a minute that's not the person that the democrats should be nominating. we don't like his view of regulation. we don't like what we think will be his friendliness to banking. this has been one of the biggest fights on the left last year. over christmas, over the holidays, this nominee decided that he didn't want the fight. so the white house now is not renominating him in the new congress. so there's not going to be that nomination fight, but there's a twist. and that is he's still moving to washington he's still going into the administration antonio weiss now is going to be counselor to this secretary jack lew. that's a job that doesn't require confirmation. the other twist to this is that the administration may never put someone in that other job. they may not bother to nominate a number three now. it would be such a long fight. they would have so little time

left in office. so senator warren has a big headline win. president obama may get what he wants in the end. >> maybe they both get what they want. let me ask you, mike about mitt romney. the rational for a run in 2016. he's got to explain why things would be different this time. what do you make of it? >> right. think differenter is already mitt romney's campaign slogan. we have a great story out by maggie haberman about the selling of mitt 3.0. a tidbit in there they have is that in these calls that he's making to potential staff, to donors, to politicians in key states, like senator kelly in new hampshire, he is saying that he's going to make a decision within weeks, not months. and he's saying that his three pillars will be confronting poverty, supporting middle class, and a muscular foreign policy. >> all right. fantastic, mike allen. it's always great to see you. have a great day. we'll be right back with a lot more of "morning joe."

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france. and i think it's fair to say we should have sent someone with a higher profile to be there. >> welcome back to "morning joe." sam stein still at the table. >> yep. >> he is. >> yeah. joining us we have the ceo and editor of the fp group which publishes foreign policy magazine david rothcoff and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. david had lunch with my dad yesterday. >> yes. >> it was a great lunch. >> really? >> well behaved. >> was he nice to you? >> extremely nice. that's the worst. >> what happened? what happened with the white house not sending anybody over to paris? >> kind of brain freeze. i don't think they really thought it through. this white house has regularly made mistakes on little things like this on the optics of things like this. remember the boweeau, they think

it's small stuff and it ends up being big stuff. >> sounds like amateur hour. >> it is. >> white house apologized publicly yesterday. but if you talk to them privately they will say you guys are obsessed with feeder. it doesn't matter. we're in touch with them behind the scenes. the french government has our full support. it knows that. do you think it matter the fear that they are so offended that we obsess about it? >> i don't think this is a really serious issue. this is optical. it was probably a good step forward for them to actually apologize. but there are bigger issues here. this is a kind of a tipping point moment. right after 9/11 there was a moment where we could get everybody together on our side to deal with terrorism. now all of a sudden you're galvanized again. you've got a chance to bring allies together and start doing something. >> i think that's more than optics though. i think that was a message that was missed. look at these pictures david.

>> do you think they're going to risk losing this opportunity because they -- i agree. i think it's a matter they obviously think it matters because they apologized which is rare for this white house. i don't see how this will then cascade into something -- >> i'm saying the moment. it's terchlting to get caught up in the twitter storm over something like this. it's not that important. what's important is that there is a moment like this and it needs to be seized. >> sure. here with us now from washington, deputy spokesperson for the state department marie. i'm sure you've been listening in. what's the point of view from the state department looking back at the next past few days and some of the missed opportunities? >> well, mika look we've been clear that someone more senior should have gone and john kerry would have been there if there was anyway he could have been. he was in india for an economic summit and he's going thursday as you all know. i think there were other symbolic moments last week though. you saw john kerry speak in french directly to the french people on the day of the attack. you saw the president and the secretary both go to the french embassy to sign the condolence

book. i agree with some of your other guests here, this hasn't really been a story in france. it doesn't mean it wasn't important but what we're focused on is how we work together to fight this threat. and one march certainly doesn't define that. i agree it was an important moment and we should have sent someone more high level. >> marie, first of all, i believe congratulations for your ohio state buckeyes is in order. >> yes, it was a very late night. but thank you. what a great season. i still sort of can't believe it. >> clearly. so let's talk about seizing the moment. what are the next steps that state has to do to make sure that this horrific event in paris turns into some sort of tangible cooperative action to root out this type of terrorism, prevent it from happening again. can you give us specifics in terms of conversations you're having, what actions you're taking? >> it didn't just start with this attack in paris. we've been having conversations throughout the summer that we've talked about a lot on this show and elsewhere about how to fight isil. the secretary will go to paris on thursday. we're hosting this counter and

violent extremism summit in washington to bring together our partners and allies. i would remind people the sack tear is in pakistan today talking with them about how to fight terrorism. it's how to root out possible foreign fighters in europe or possibly coming back here. but it's broader -- a much broader conversation than just the one we're having about europe certainly. i think that's worth focusing on, too. >> thank you very much. and as we continue this conversation, officials in paris are warning hayat boumeddiene may not be the only suspect in the paris terror attack still at large. up to six members of a terror cell are reportedly still on the loose. there's also new video that shows the female suspect and a man arriving at the airport in istanbul on january 2nd, just days after the attacks. turkey's foreign minister says she crossed into syria from turkey the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the first issue of the satirical newspaper since the attack is now on newsstands. it shows the prophet mohammed

holding a sign that says i am charlie, and the words in french, all is forgiven. >> david, so obviously still concerns about a cell a terror cell with other members. >> looks like there is a terrorist cell there. i think this is what we have to be worried about. we have to be worried that terrorists are finally coming to realize in the first place that the small attacks, remember we were here talking about sydney. there was a guy with a rifle and ipad and he took over the world media for a couple of days. and small attacks that are super low-tech have a big terror impact. and you saw it in ottawa, you saw it in sydney you've seen it in paris. and if they are now sending -- one estimate has them sending 1,000 people a month into syria and these people get trained and radicalized and they come back you could see a lot of this and it will chip away at public confidence, it will chip away at people's sense of security. it could really produce a kind

of affect that we haven't seen thins 9/11 and it might actually get worse if it happens on a regular basis. >> gene robinson let's say the attack in australia, this was actually launched by al qaeda who took credit for it and you actually had the two brothers tracing it become and talking about how this -- this was chbt just a lone wolf situation. this is organized terror. >> this certainly does seem to be organized. there's evidence that one or more of these guys may have actually been in the middle east gone to train with al qaeda or potentially with other terrorist groups. you know this is an actual cell and they're trying to round up the other members of the cell. i think the big question for u.s. policy going forward is number one do we have such things in our country and, number two, how do you translate

this amazing picture of unity that you saw and common purpose that you saw at the march, which by the way we definitely should have been at, at a higher level, but how do you translate that into concrete action that makes a difference? and, you know, that's going to take some work. that's the hard work. >> is it evident now that the president and others have said that the battle against al qaeda was over and that isis was a jv team, bit like george w. bush's mission accomplished moment? >> well, you know jv compared to what? i mean you know we're not talking about osama bin laden's al qaeda. we're not -- or we may or may not be talking about isis in this case. we may be talking about al qaeda in yemen. it kind of doesn't matter. the threat has morphed. it doesn't always take the exact same form. clearly al qaeda in yemen is trying its best to attack western targets.

isis, if it's not right now focused on that focused on its own little territory, certainly will turn to that. >> but al qaeda is not in its death throes obviously. it's not as weak as the president said in 2011 or 2012. >> it's not clearly because al qaeda in yemen is an offshoot. classic al qaeda, from afghanistan, the al qaeda that attacked us on 9/11 is for all intents and purposes atomized. but there are these offshoots groups and successor groups that clearly are not jv. they clearly are not in their last throes and, in fact given isis' success are obviously are inspiring this sort of terrorism around the world. >> while we're on the topic, the twitter account for the pentagon command for u.s. forces in the middle east is back online this morning after being hacked. the youtube account was also hacked without warning.

and the hackers uploaded isis militant videos. and on twitter the page was retitled cybercaliphate and said, quote, i love you, isis. one tweet warned american soldiers to watch their back adding, quote, we are coming. the hackers also posted names, phone numbers of high-tanking generals as well as power point slides and maps. defense department officials stressed the information was not classified and that no military secrets were compromised. this took place at roughly the same time that president obama was addressing the federal trade commission about cyber security. this tweet was sent out shortly after 10:00 p.m. reading, quote, we're back. centcom temporarily suspended its twitter account after an act of cybervandalism. the youtube account was taken down. here with us now from milwaukee, former white house cyber security coordinator under president bush and obama, known as cyber czar howard schmidt. good to have your shot up and to have you onboard here. how serious is this attack?

can you really characterize it as cybervandalism? >> yeah i think for the most part you can identify it as such because that's what it was. it was something that was tantamount to doing graffiti on a wall. they pushed out stuff that shouldn't have been out there. and then you know they turned around and shut down. the interesting part though is how did they get those user id and passwords, how did they getting a cess to both youtube and twitter accounts. >> what questions does that bring to mind given your background? >> yeah, i think the first thing had i been in my old seat was like, how many people have user id and password. normally on the communication side you have sometimes three, four, five people that have access to that user id and password to update things remotely. the second thing is those that might have had access what were they doing on their personal accounts. was their personal account going out to a site that installed

malware that captures your id and password. other piece of this were they using a common password? that's one of the things that we see with the hackers all the time. they go in there and they guess. user ids are pretty common. just guess password and you're into the account and you can upload whatever you want. interesting, this is almost a repeat of the 1996-1997 when they hit the army they hit janet reno's website. we placed her picture with a picture of adolph hitler. this is not uncommon. >> david we say there was no classified information released but that provides little comfort to generals whose addresses were published and have their wives and children threatened. that information is out there. you seriously are you taking what happened yesterday? >> i take it seriously for the reason we were talking about earlier. this is the drip drip drip of small attacks that eat away at our security that eat away at our sense of confidence in our system. it doesn't have to be a big

deal. people say, oh my god, that's centcom. that's the military. they're hackable. what's going to happen next? they attack this little place. what's going to happen next? to go back to your point, joe. the reality is we can debate paris and who should be there and who should not if we want to but it's optics. the reality is that we've been fighting a war on terror for 13 years and we're losing. according to the state department there were more attacks last year than ever before more terror group, more terrorist, and we're seeing a change in tactics that is going to make people increasingly unconfident. >> intel is -- since we scattered al qaeda in afghanistan and the wind back ten years ago they've known this was going to happen. we've been hearing that al qaeda in yemen, hearing about al qaeda across the world. it's not like this has caught anybody by surprise. >> and then there's isis and boca haram who killed 2,000 people this week in an attack that just got totally stepped on by this whole thing. it is getting worse and worse.

this issue is extremism. it's not going to be be solved by white house conference on extremism. hopefully more countries will address this more seriously. right now we have to say we are not where the president said we were we are not winning, we are losing on this particular front. we need to change our tactic or it's going to get worse. >> howard schmidt, thank you for coming on the show this morning. other news now. mitt romney is in the middle of a pretty stunning turn around from insist that he is not running for president to launching what one republican calls an almost certain run for the white house. new reporting in the "washington post" says the former governor's personally calming up former supporter, fund-raisers and staff members to jump-start his political team. among them current and former members of congress. top business executives and influential advisers in new hampshire and iowa. also getting a call romney's 2012 running mate congressman paul ryan who told nbc news he will not seek the presidency in

2016. ryan said he came to his decision well before romney's renewed interest but added, quote, it's no secret i always thought mitt would make a great president. romney said his wife ann is very encouraging of a third presidential bid an his potential campaign would run to the right of jeb bush. >> political reporter of the "washington post" whose arl shed new light on romney's game plan. tell us about the game plan. >> romney made his announcement to donors on friday and that was not a trial balloon. he spent saturday sunday monday calling up former advisers donor, big people in the party. he signed up two key operatives in new hampshire. this is real. >> so the belief was for people around mitt romney for some time that if jeb bush jumped into the race that mitt romney would not jump into the race. what changed? >> romney saw his donors going away he thought his donors would stick with him and wait a

few months to see how jeb played out but he saw jeb picking up a lot of speed in the donor community and he felt he needed to get in and send a clear signal. >> bob when did mitt romney start getting serious about running again? i mean, certainly he has been for the past six months or so but was there a triggering event? >> i believe it started with the mitt documentary that aired on netflix. he believed his public persona has changed. he believes on foreign policy and domestic policy. he's been proven right. >> have you noticed the undertone of just a little bit of tension between mitt romney and jeb bush? >> sure. >> if famthe families are always been close but jeb has questioned mitt romney's political skills and mitt romney returned the favor this past week. >> two major political families. george romney and mitt romney and house of bush and they are colliding potentially in this 2016 republican primary and they occupy the same space in a lot

of ways but they do have different regional center different political strengths and they look like they may become a true battle. >> david? >> the stars have aligned a little bit for mitt romney. on one hand they've got jeb bush running which allows him to get away from what he was accused of, of not being the conservative. jeb bush looks a little bit to his left. on the other hand, he's got this opportunity to run this i told you so campaign. you know i told you that russia was a threat. it turned out to be a threat. i told you we got out of iraq too quickly. it turned out we got out of iraq too quickly. some of the vulnerabilities that he had four years ago he doesn't have again. >> the possible counter if the democratic front-runner emerges as hillary clinton, i think that's a different dieynamicdynamic. >> i talked to a major republican donor who sort of echo'd this about jeb which is they think that jeb has vulnerabilities in new hampshire on immigration specifically and that romney can make a move there. >> certainly. iowa as well. >> which works well with the republican party. as we saw in 2012 may not be the

best position taken in general. it's ironic that mitt romney who made his reputation up until recently as this great businessman turn around economic thinking, republican will have his best opening against obama should he get there on foreign policy. all the domestic stuff he warned about, you can quibble with but it hasn't turned out as bad as he said. the foreign policy provides him the opening. it might have his strong suit. i'm not sure. >> another thing that might happen is we're in this sugar rush for the next year because of low oil prices. if the oil prices tick up as we go into 2016 the economic story may not be so positive either because the economy is due or an correction. we've been in a recovery for a long time. >> bob, if you go back to some of the general election numbers when you look at how mitt romney lost the president obama among latinos, women, young voters those margins were huge and numbers were devastateing. why does mitt romney, people who support him in the republican party, think that dynamic can change this time around? >> he's a party heavyweight. that's really the factor right

now. but you bring up a good point. how does mitt romney expand the electorate. talking to his adviser last night i really got the sense that he knows he needs to change his message. he's talking about pov vererty to donors. >> gene robinson have you been swept up by the excitement of romney three? >> i can't wait. are you kidding? for a columnist, this is gravy, right? we've already written the jokes. they're out there. we know about the dog on the roof of a car. we know about the automotive elevator. so, you noerks just dust those things off and you're done with the column before lunch. you know the reason though, i think mitt romney thinks he might win this time is that he doesn't have to run against barack obama who brought out, you know -- >> right. >> we talk about president obama as if he is not a world class hall of fame politician who brought out new voters, who

enlarged the democratic coalition and brought it to the polls in record numbers and he did that twice. well, you know who is going to be the nominee this time if it's hillary clinton, can she replicate that and if she cannot replicate that, then, you know, who knows. mitt romney might have a good shot. >> democrats think that they're going to have the same turnout in 2016 as they had in 2008 and 2012 are kidding themselves. barack obama is a once -- >> gene webb. >> i like gene webb. >> barack obama and the democrats. >> once in a generation phenomenon. >> yeah. >> like ronald reagan was in '80 and '84. >> still should be the first woman president, if she captures that. >> no one match's myth's. i'm just saying. "the washington post" robert costa and eugene robinson thank you both. david, thank you as well. great to see you.

still ahead on "morning joe," congressman steny hoyer and comedian susie essman joins the conversation. susie is going to change our ring tones. steny and susie together again. we are concerned with the potential for one of them to curse on air. we can imagine who that might be. that's steny with his potty mouth. up next, how prepared are u.s. cities foreign attack with small terror cells like in paris. the commissioner of nypd bill bratton is next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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nypd officers this morning on high alert and being urge to be more vigilant than ever. it comes as a recent video from islamic state militants call for attacks on police officers. joining us now, new york city police commissioner bill bratton. good to have you back. >> what's the level of the threat? >> the high alert we're talking about, we're always on high alert. number one terrorist target in the world. in light of what just happened in paris, some of the additional threats comingous of the isis we have ramped up the level of attention to the issue, advising our officers to be more vigilant encouraging that they get out of the vehicles when they are assigned to some of these fixed costs guarding the general counsel offices or media

outlets. raising everybody's attention. >> the soft targets, you're worried obviously about some of the diplomatic posts, worried about police officers as well, correct? >> that's correct. new york, as you know because of the u.n. we have unlimited number of buildings that we have to be concerned with. some of the threats directed against the media, so we're coming in with a lot of media locations in the city that we're not -- >> what about jewish targets? in paris that's a major concern. >> that's something we always pay a great deal of attention to here. i have two meetings this morning with various jewish groups that we stay in touch with who are doing the same thing with outreach to some of the muslim leadership that we deal with. >> how does this work given all the challenges that the nypd is facing right now, given recent events locally -- >> busy. >> my specific question is about the data of that some would say indicates a work slowdown and

morale within the ranks. >> well, the good news is that the cops in spite of the situation, morale are, in fact still out there. that we released crime numbers yesterday that crime is down throughout the city for the first 12 days of the year. subways, housing developments. morale is something that goes up and down. we're coming out of the slowdown. that's the good news getting back to more normal levels of activity. particularly at this point in time when we do have the heightened concerns around the issue of terrorism. >> one of the aspects is human intel. people on the ground talking to intelligence operatives from whatever agency. the new york police department has had one, if not the best intelligence unit of any metropolitan police department perhaps in the world. what's the status of the intelligence with the nypd now? how big is it? john miller is very effective, works under you.

runs the intelligence unit. tell us about. >> ray kelly after even in built this phenomenal operation that when we came in a year ago that we inherited. we've expanded upon it in terms of strengthening relationships with the various partners we collaborate with, fbi. john miller is counter terrorism deputy commissioner. he comes from a dni background fbi background, so he brings a lot of strengths into the operation. we have over 1,000 officers in the counter terrorism area which work exclusively on these issues issues. they're assisted by our 5,000 detectives we can assign to help them out on different occasions. unlike a lot of cities we have 24-hour-a day s.w.a.t. time sources moving through the city all the time. they're not a call-up. they're already out there. there's no city in the world better prepared to event and if we were to have an event, to respond. >> willie? >> go. >> how often do you hear from

the intel unit do you hear daily chatter, weekly? >> it's -- if you could see my blackberry you will see how frequently. briefings every morning from mr. miller. he used to help prepare the briefing book for the president of the united states so i get a book every morning that's modeled after that with all the events around the world that summarized in the document i get every morning, as soon as i get into my car. and at the same time you are getting constant updates, no matter where you are in the world on the blackberries. >> commissioner, in this city for a long time after 9/11 the fear is that it could happen again. plane into building shs, big events that takes years of coordination. now over the last couple of years, particularly the last week or so attacks on small groups, on soft targets. as you go on the streets as you do, they say, what is stopping a guy from walking into a subway station and doing something like that or walking into central park or a mall somewhere else in the country. i know you can't give 100% insurance.

there are too many soft targets. how do you assure people who live in this country that you're protecting them and particularly in this city? >> the idea that we pay so much attention to it that we have fortunately the size of our department resources that other cities in this country are not able to apply to it. which is appropriate because we are that number one target. you cannot protect everything but by having a robust intelligence operation, it allows you to detect and prevent and over these last 13 years with the exception of the hatchet attack on our offices a couple of months ago by the lone wolf inspired by isis propaganda, the city has not had an event since 9/11 that was successful. we continue to work hard to keep that track record going forward. >> in closing, mr. commissioner what are the prospects of mayor de blasio and rank in file police officers coming together? how is that progressing in. >> it's going to take time. everybody is talking. there's a lot going on behind

the scenes. there have been a couple of public meetings that we've held. the problem with the public meetings, people expect you snap your fingers, it's all over. it doesn't work that way. it's a building relationship process. a lot of behind the scenes. spend a lot of times on the phones and meetings with union leaders, his people are doing the same. >> you feel like progress is being made? >> oh, i think so. definitely. >> obviously police officers are frustrated by mayor de blasio. i'm reading reports he and his people are also frustrated, feeling like they are taking steps in the right direction and not getting credit for it. >> there are a lot of frustrations, a lot of different things in the stew at the moment. i'm comfortable that we're moving forward. we're seeing the cops getting back to more active work this week. getting back to much more normal levels of policing. good news though that the public is always concerned with is that crime continues to go down. last year was a record low year. this year lower than last year. >> commissioner bill bratton, thank you. >> thank you commissioner.

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president? >> well, very frankly, we have on the floor this week as you know, the funding of the department of homeland security which is designed to keep our country and our people safe. you would think that's an area and i hope it's going to be an area where we can come together and act in a bipartisan american fashion, not a partisan fashion, to fund our security agency. >> so what's the problem with that? >> well, right now republicans appear to be offering amendments which deal with the immigration issue, not the funding of the department of homeland security. if we continue to do that not just americans but the world is going to see us as not united to face a threat to all of us not to any one party or one segment of our society. >> are the amendments just specific to the immigration issue or do they go beyond that other areas of national security? >> essentially all of them are related to the immigration issue, all five amendments that

have been offered. we are whipping against two of the amendments which we think will preclude the president from signing a bill. the underlying bill joe, as you know has almost unanimous agreement. there is no difference of opinion on this. reported out of committee, went to senate. there wasn't a conference report but there was a general agreement between senate and house, democrats and republicans, and the funding levels and how those funds would be distributed. so it's really sad that we are unable to say, look we have an agreement, let's adopt that and then op those items in which we disagree let's argue. >> sam? >> congressman, at this juncture, would you predict that we will see the department of homeland security shut down in february? >> no. >> no? >> okay. precludes my second question. >> there you go. you are done sam. >> mike? >> congressman, given this fever in the country for something to get done many congress both parties to work together what's your sense of the degree of

difficulty that speaker boehner has in controlling elements of his party that seem not to want to go along with anything? >> you know, i think the real answer is there are obviously a number of members in his caucus many of whom voted against him in election for speaker, that want to have confrontation, don't want to cooperate, don't want to seek consensus. but that's not positive for the country. the american people sent us all here, all 435 of us here to make their country better and to work together. and we ought to do that. i think what speaker boehner needs to do is say, look to those of you who want confrontation, i'm not with you. and, in fact i can forge bipartisan majorities to pass legislation i think is good for the country. will there be a necessity for compromise on both sides? of course there will be. but i think we can forge a majority working together. i'm certainly prepared to do that. speaker boehner and i, he has my respect and we have an

opportunity and ability to work together and i hope we'll do so. >> a lot of americans, congressman, it willie geist hope you will too. you're aware of the cynicism in the country and a lot of people have tuned out washington dismiss it all together assuming it can't get anything done. >> i agree with you. i agree with you on that. and, of course in order to put that cynicism aside, the congress is going to have to perform. it's going to be sort of -- we don't trust you but if you verify that you can work together we're going the feel a lot better about you. that's what we ought to do. >> you believe that will happen in the last two years of the president's administration? >> i'm going to work towards that effort. i frankly think at the white house today the president is going to talk about his willingness to work together to accomplish that objective. >> congressman, steny hoyer, thank you so much. look forward to hearing more about the meeting later today. >> thank you. the terrifying chaotic scene in washington after a metro

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the second quarter. oregon closes the gap by the third. cutting the buckeye lead to a single point. 21-20 right there. that's all they could muster because from there it was all buckeyes. >> he's got it again. elliott! touchdown, ohio state! first and goal. elliott again barrels in. elliott dots the i of this national championship win. the ohio state buckeyes are the first national champions of the playoff era. >> besides zeke elliott running in he had four touchdowns. the kid is a sophomore, a star. that's jones, the third string ohio state quarterback who beat wisconsin wisconsin, alabama, oregon in consecutive weeks to lead the buckeyes to the national championship game. ezekiel elliott ran for four touchdowns. 42-21. back to new york now after the game empire state building

turns full scarlet and gray in honor of the national champion ohio state buckeyes in columbus celebration on campus. a little out of hand on the bonfire here. police called in. pepper spray. some tear gas. dispersing the crowd. nothing too serious. >> you know, willie there's always a debate and has been a debate in football over the past 20 years about speed versus size. speed kills, as john madden loved to say. but this shows size still counts. they were just -- ohio state was just bigger than oregon and they just pushed them around and ran over them. >> speed is good. size is good. speed and size is best. that's what ohio state has. under urban meyer, we said it. he flipped this thing so quickly. they were undefeated. now they had this one-loss season this year and national championship. it shows the power of one coach. it's his coaching style but also recruiting and convincing fast kids who maybe would have gone to florida or to alabama or usc to come to columbus ohio and play. and now the big ten is fascinating.

you have the national -- they will be the preseason number one. jim harbaugh going to michigan. michigan state is great. >> must see tv. >> wisconsin is good. it's going to be a great game. and they're sfunfun to watch. it's not the old three yards and the cloud of dust. ohio state is great. all right. up next b, one person died. over 80 people taken to the hospital after smoke poured into a train tunnel and trapped passengers for nearly an hour. tom costello has the latest details for us, next.

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tom costello has story. >> please stay calm. >> reporter: panic on the subway, a train conductor urging passengers in a smoke-filled subway car to stay calm, but r for hundreds of passengers that was impossible choke on smoke so thick they could barely see. it happened just as the evening rush hour was getting underway. a virginia-bound subway car stuck on the tracks. >> no electricity or nothing. >> reporter: so much smoke in the tunnel passengers stays inside their cars struggling to breathe. by the time firefighters arrived, some passengers were unconscious. others having seizures. >> i could taste blood in my lungs. >> a woman was in distress in that train. i'm sorry to say she's passed

away. >> reporter: the root cause remains unclear, but the ntsb has narrowed the source of the smoke smoke. . >> there was an electrical event involving the third rail. the train did not derail. there was no fire on the train. >> so we will be following this. now they are looking atinto other reasons in terms of what happened. the morning rush hour is chaotic in new york this morning after a suspicious fire at one of the city's largest transit hubs. more than 150 firefighters raced to penn station to battle a three-alarm fire. it broke out at a construction site. penn station is home to the long island railroad and several subway lines. there is significant structural damage at this hour trains are running but commuters are being warn ed warned of delays. some nearby streets also remain closed. . up next, the snub heard round the world.

press secretary josh ernest apologizing for not sending a higher power representative to paris. was it part of a larger strategy by the obama administration. plus a former miami dolphins player telling his epic swim for survival after being thrown from his boat. . we're back in just a moment with that. you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading

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some have asked whether the united states should have sent someone with a higher profile than the ambassador to france and i think it's fair to say we should have sent someone with a higher profail to be there. >> welcome back to "morning joe." 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, back with us onset we have mike barnicle and sam stein. >> i have to say last night, i'm still stunned that the big ten is not the worst conference in football. i mean they have been bad for so long.

i heard kirk herbstreit say they had been bad for so long. they have been slow, fat and plodding. but last night this ohio state team they were impressive as any s.e.c. team i have seen in awhile. >> to beat oregon, alabama and wisconsin 59-0 three consecutive weeks, you're the most dominant team in the country. what do you do next year? you have three great quarterbacks. two-time big ten player of the year. >> you play the guy that beat wisconsin 59-0. >> you may have to. >> you have to other choice. >> and their running back is incredible. he came out of nowhere. >> did you hear about this former miami dolphins player? >> incredible. >> this is incredible. the guy falls off his boat. he's like fishing alone on his own boat i think it's off

miami. i get worried if my dad goes out in the boat all alone. he fell off his boat and was in the water for 16 hours. >> almost rescued twice. >> but didn't get seen. they didn't see him. he was being eaten by jelly fish this is rob conrad. apparently he was washed up shore. i don't know how he made it. he had a press conference with his wife and talked about it take a look. >> i prayed to god to send a boat or the coast guard to come get me. . i mean after some time i just said look i'm not dying tonight. and i'm going to make it to shore. the fishing boat had lights on and couldn't have been 50 yards from me. i had been in the water at least ten hours at that point in time.

and to have the boat come that close and not hear you or see you was just -- you had to get your mind right at that point in time. i've got two beautiful daughters daughters. i was hitting that shore. >> that's incredible. so he's home. i know we were saving that for later, but while we were on the topic of sports, i was so taken by that story. officials in paris are warning these might not be the only suspects still at large. six members of a terror cell are still on the loose. police officials tell the associated press that one man was seen driving the mini cooper car registered.

there's new video showing her and a man arriving at the airport in istanbul on january 2nd, just days before the attacks. turkey's foreign minister says she crossed into the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the sign says i am charlie, and the words "all is forgiven." a former writer says the staff was determined to get back to work. >> they are very in shock, for sure. the first day was very difficult for them to work, to just focus. they are very few now, but because they know that -- those stupid guys who can kill for a cartoon. they start again to work. >> israeli prime minister

visited to remember the victims and to urge world leaders to come together and fight terrorism. just a short time ago, funerals were held for the four french jews killed in the grocery store standoff. joining us from re jerusalem. >> we're hearing from french minister. she is one of the dignitaries that has been speaking. we heard from the israeli prime minister and the israeli president who addressed the crowds of mourners. hundreds of people have gathered to pay their final respects to the victims of the terror attack on friday in the supermarket. there have been people here with the signs that we have seen around the world. i am charlie, expressing solidarity with all the mourners, but with the victims and the families.

they arrived early this morning with the bodies. they are going to be laid to rest here at the cemetery. but the message that has been coming out from israeli officials has been one particularly that of the prime minister to all of europe's jews is they have a home here. this is where the world's jewish community can feel safe. he said israel welcomes all of the world's jews with its open arms, and that's been one of the issues that's been triggered as a result of this r terror attack on friday whether or not it is safe for french jews to remain in france or whether or not they should come here to israel. it has been a somber day. the message coming out of officials here is that these individuals that were killed they are not alone, they are part of the community here. we have been hearing that message over and over from all the officials that have been addressing the crowd. in terms of the ceremony, the four bodies were brought here. that's where the speeches have been taking place. it will be a lot quieter once the bodies are taken inside the

cemetery with the families where they will be buried in a private ceremony. >> thank you. >> looking at that i'm struck by some of the covers i have seen since these shootings. at the beginning there were some including cnn that was saying this wasn't focused towards jews. these weren't anti-semitics attacks. you had a bbc reporter having people call for his resignation because he was interviewing a holocaust survivor. he was interviewing a holocaust is survivor and she talked about how she was fearful about growing antisemitism which is very well documented fact throughout france and europe. he said well israelis treat the palestinians bad too. trying to compare the holocaust to the killing of 6 million jews to an ongoing fight many israel.

there is antisemitism in europe and in the media. . >> one of the off leads of this story, and has been for quite some time, is the increasingly rising antisemitism in europe and france. i don't know what nation can deal with the threat but it is growing. >> throughout europe there's a very different perception of the israeli-palestinian conflict than exists in the united states. it feeds into that content. and this hits it home but it underscores the fundamental reason, which is you have to have a refuge. >> there's a reason why israel exists. for people in europe that don't understand why israel exists

take what happened last week and multiply it 2 million times. and the holocaust in europe and the antisemitism that has been in europe for centuries. it's not going away. the fact that the bbc has someone insensitive to the realities, this did not happen 300 years ago. they let 6 million jews be exterminated. this is why israel exists. and people need to get a hell of a lot more sensitive to it, even if they are left-leaning media members. i cannot believe the bbc is going to allow this man to stay on the bbc. there's other people that need to be very careful when they are

trying to characterize clearly killings that are anti-semitic and try to brush that away. i guess, for some reason it doesn't for their political agenda. the white house is admitting it was wrong not to send a higher level official to the giant unity rally in paris. why didn't they? press secretary josh ernest faced tough questions for a concern on short notice. >> how do you explain that? the israeli prime minister, he made it there. he's a huge target. >> i will allow the israelis to discuss what security precautions had in place. >> dozens of leaders from countries that are very important. how did they make it? >> you should talk to them about the precautions they have in place. >> there were dozens of leaders. the american security might be more, but it comes up in short notice. and you wanted to be there, you

made it. how did that come together? >> the difference with president mandela is there have been discussions for a number of years about the ceremony that would take place in the event of his daetd. >> you said the president would have liked to have gone. why didn't he? we haven't gotten an account. >> i haven't spoken to the president about what he did yesterday. >> politico is reporting that officials were caught off guard by the size of the demonstration and never even asked the president about attending. i saw a tweet that said that the president was shocked and angry when he read about it that he wasn't there. come on you can't blame the president of the united states. you don't understand why eric holder who was actually in paris, didn't show up. or the vice president. >> it's just not possible he was in the city of paris. >> vice presidents are created for this. this is why you have vice presidents in a glass enclosure. joe, you got to go to paris.

joe would got to paris. he would have loved to go to paris. some are suggest inging a different reason. why the president didn't attend. >> why? >> before i get to that, you're talking about this new york piece. the lead of the politico piece has white house aids watching the march and seeing the leaders arm in arm and going, uh-oh, there's germany, spain great britain, we should have probably been there. it snuck up on them. >> did they not telegraph to germany and figure out? how do you not know that the world's leaders are going to be at this event. >> the explanation, in some ways, made it even worse. the fact that -- it never made it to the president of the united states. hello, come on. >> was the president not following the news? did he not know people got killed? >> they haven't been able to account for what he was doing. >> he was watching football like

us. >> guys. >> stop. >> he was watching the playoffs. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> i'm not laughing. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> it's like we don't care about the theatrics of the office. fine, whatever, but they clearly do care that they have to ed aadmit fault. >> can you imagine being stiffed after 9/11? everybody showing up but a french president what we would say. >> eric holder was taping an interview for "meet the press." >> he came to nbc, right? >> here's what you were talking about. byron york writing in the washington examiner. the uproar whether president obama or another official should have attended the unity rally in paris has obscure edd an important point about the white house's res action to the attacks. the no-shows were not a failure of optics or a diplomatic misstep, but were the logical result of the president's

year's-long effort to downgrade the threat of terrorism and to move on to other things. so when the president chose not to attend the paris march nor to send the vice president or secretary of state, the problem wasn't a tin ear sent to pr . it was obama's attitude towards the terror threat facing not only europe but the united states. we have dealt with the big stuff. now let's move on. it sounded good until the bullets started flying. a lot of heads shaking. >> i don't buy that at all. just from a brief glimpse of knowledge into what goes on around national security around this president of the united states, he is on it every single day. >> he is on what? >> he is all over this war on terror. count the number of drone strikes. >> he was dead wrong in 2011. he was dead wrong in 2012. he said al qaeda was destroyed. he sadistid isis was a jv team. it sounded -- you can go back

and look at what donald rumsfeld said about iraq's opposition being in the death throws. overlaid on what barack obama said this is the fantasy that barack obama lived in perhaps for political reasons in 2011 and 2012 because of ideological reasons because he wanted to show everybody how enlightened he was. and what cavemen george bush and dick cheney were. this does not fit his enlightened point of view. so i think byron york is definitely on to something here. if you send somebody to what is being called france's 9/11 you are admit ingting that everything you said about al qaeda in 2011 and everything you said about al qaeda in 2012 when you were running for president and making

fun of mitt romney was wrong. the french really will say this was the worst attack by al qaeda since september 11th. and i wonder just how bad barack obama's quotes from 2011 and 2012 would look juxtaposed over this news story in french newspapers right now. he was dead wrong. still ahead on "morning joe," zeus si esman joins us. she likes you. when we did an interview in bed together, she was talking about you. i'm just saying. shel help us critique lewis's red carpet style. he's going to show us more. he can't wait to show more of himself on the red carpet. >> i can only imagine. >> he did the golden globes

package. they have him twirling around. he's in front of the hollywood sign. george clooney walks past, he goes, hey, george, you're looking really good tonight. he turns and looks at him like what? >> so we're going to ask if you should fist bump the most famous actor on earth. >> and selma hayek, he said the same to her. >> he's bringing more to the table. if you have a question for mika, you won't have a question for lewis, but susie, tweet it right now. here's bill karins with the forecast. >> thanks, joe and mooeika. we're watching a january thaw developing across the country. first we have one more winter blast over the next two days and then your reward comes towards the weekend. the problem tomorrow morning at this time is in the carolinas. haven't had a lot of icy weather

down there, so be prepared. we're going to e see a little mini ice storm for areas outside of wilmington charlotte, all of the triangle region as far north as norfolk. that's tonight into tomorrow morning. here's the cold. it's been two straight weeks of negative windchills for minneapolis. look at you this morning. negative 24, ouch. that cold air is spreading to indianapolis pittsburgh and arrive arriving in the northeast. so mid-winter weather pattern. this is how it looks across the country. by the time we get to the weekend, a lot less dark blue cold stuff. a little more of the orange warmer air from the west coast to the the east coast. not exactly steamy or warm, but cool is a lot better than frigid. here's how it's going to look in d.c. after a threat of snow possibly on wednesday, friday into saturday mid- to upper 40s. that's going to feel warm. how about our friends in chicago? you haven't been above 32 degrees in 10 straight days.

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visibility as they were evacuate evacuated out of the tunnel. what caused the smoke is unknown. investigators believe it may have been caused by water hitting a rail. one woman on board was killed. 84 others were sent to the hospital. >> the cars are filling with smoke, they can't open the doors, they are in complete darkness in the tunnel. some people performing cpr. they were in there for 45 minutes until help was able to get there because they had to deactivate the third rail u. >> imagine what was going through their minds as to what caused this. >> from reuters, what may be the most telling piece of evidence in the airasia flight were recovered. they were able to recover the voice recorders in a step towards determining what caused the jet to go down. the voice recorder holds the last two hours of conversation between the pilots and air traffic controllers.

it's on its way for analysis. but investigators say it may take up to a motto go through all the data that black box contains. the los angeles times, the race for the california senate seat being vacated by barbara boxer is heating up. california attorney general is expected to announce her bid today. the news follows lieutenant governor gavin newsome's announcement. it's unclear if he will announce. former los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa has been mentioned. this will be california's first open u.s. senate seat in 24 years. wow, look at those contenders. entertainment weekly the premier date for.

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clothing. officials say the man was caught after customs officers noticed his posture and his stride was suspicious and stiff. the man had the phones strapped across his torso, legs, thighs. faces up to seven years in prison if convicted. >> how did he get in through security? still ahead on "morning joe," we're headed back to the bedroom. >> how often do i get to be in bed with mika? >> could you give me a little susie green? >> this is what my life has become. people just want me to tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> that is her line. >> it's true. i just love her. >> your phone ring it will be

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>> i respect wood larry. i respect wood so much if i had a piece of wood in my hand right now, i'd beat the [ bleep ] out of you with it okay? >> can i have those flowers? >> take the [ bleep ] flowers. >> we don't answer the phone at dinner. >> i'll answer it. >> no, no, no. >> what kind of [ bleep ] rule is that? >> we don't answer the phone. we don't answer the phone during dinner, it's a rule. >> he had a beautiful full held a of hair that i love and now he looks like you. >> there's nothing wrong with being bald. >> sure there is. >> i might not be the match. he needs his kidney. he's a fat [ bleep ], he can't

even survive the surgery. you're healthy and thin you're giving the kidney. end of discussion. >> this is why she needs to be my ring tone. can you please? >> you see in all those scenes how he provokes me. and they say i'm the shrew. >> you're amazing. i want to do that. >> maybe if had he comes back you could do a guest star. >> do i guest star on "curb accounts." could i be your cousin or something? >> we could be related. >> really uptight cousin. >> dark curly wig. >> i want to be -- i have a side personality that's like yours. letting those f-bombs rip. >> anybody who has teenage girls. >> i've got it trust me, i could do it. tell larry. >> with a side of tourrets.

we're backing it into. susie joins us now. a lot to get to. joe is in the control room. >> hi joe. >> hey, susie, how you doing? >> she looks different. we're going to talk about that later. first, let's start on a more serious note. being that you're a comedian and i have interviewed for my next book coming out and my next book. we have had some serious discussions about being a woman in your industry. but this takes things to a whole new level. what was it like to watch these attacks unfold in paris? >> they are killing cartoonists. it really hit home to me. the i have to take issue with your dad, by the way. >> a lot of people do. >> when he said it was in bad taste and they were being

offensive and you have to use common sense. how do you use common sense with terrorists? what's common sense? what he calls vulgar anything that i say can be construed as vulgar. in a totalitarian regime the first thing that goes is humor. because humor is subversive by its nature. stalin didn't have comedians. >> let me debate you on this. i would never try to speak for my father, but this is a much r more difficult discussion than agree or disagree. would you get on stage and do a stand-up on race in america and make fun of african-americans and talk about ferguson in a way that was insulting to people? >> i probably wouldn't unless i could find the funny in it. however, you're assuming that if the cartoons were less vulgar they wouldn't have attacked. and i think that's the wrong assumption. i think it's subjective and any

time you go after religion it raises the hackles of people. lenny bruce, people think he was arrested and jailed for his four-letter words. it was that he did a whole thing against the catholic church. any time you go after religion humor goes out the win dpoe. it's not about taste and common sense. you're dealing with terrorists. they don't have common sense. they could take anything and find it offensive. >> it was an attack in a sense on journalists, but also on humorists and everything that you do. >> if i don't offend people i'm doing something wrong. >> that's correct. >> then i'm just a juggler or a mime or a clown. whenever you're using words and giving your opinion, you're going to offend somebody. if i'm making them laugh, i'm happy. >> joe is jumping in. >> so what do you think about

the news reports that actually won't show the actual cartoons? >> i think that's fine. we don't need to incite at this point. it's a judgment call. it doesn't bother me. >> you're sort of saying the same thing my dad said, just in that comment. >> that's a judgment call. what he was saying was that you use common sense and don't cross the line. what is the line? when you're dealing with terrorists, what's the line? what are they going to find offensive? >> now you're saying the line is drawn based on not showing the cartoons. >> that's a choice that nbc makes or whoever else makes. i choose what i do in my standup. for example, i don't find child molestation funny. i can't make that funny. other comedian might be able to. >> this is exactly the issue we're at right now because some of these cartoons were vulgar and had sexual innuendo to them.

>> if they didn't, would that make the terrorists not bomb them? they are insane. >> ultimately, the right should be there. we all agree with that. lewis, you're getting tweets about susie. one has a big question. >> are there any plans for another season of "curb"? >> ask larry. >> he says please lie. >> how is that going? he's doing a show. >> he's doing a broadway show. >> i read the script it's hilarious. it's going to be great. >> do more "curb." >> your show "husband" is on the goldbergs. that show is funny. >> you're asking me questions that i have no control over. >> like i have some power in hollywood. >> i'm being made to ask you this question because i'm the safe one. someone told me that more than a handfuls a waste.

>> i had a breast reduction over the holidays. that's what i did over my winter vacation. it was elective surgery, but it was really because i had so much pain. men don't understand this. >> susie, i'm going to jump in here. i don't understand this. >>. let me just say you were carrying around on those large cojones of yours, you were carrying around four extra pounds walking down the street. >> it's a burden sometimes that you have to bare. >> tell that to someone who needs a kidney transplant. >> what is a breast reduction have to do with a kidney transplant? >> i was incredibly uncomfortable, i had neck and shoulder pain all the time.

>> get him off camera. >> what size were you and now you're more comfortable. >> i was a g and now i'm a d. >> in those clips from "curb"? post menopause, they grow. that's a little known fact. >> so g is a lot further -- >> do your alphabet. >> where's the double? >> that's like the size of toledo. i have never even heard of a g. >> you have to go to the town shop. >> it's not that big. you saw me. >> i thought you looked great. >> i feel so much more comfortable now. can i give a shoutout to my surgeon, a genius. dr. salton. a genius with a call pl.

>> here's what we would be get figure there was a new season. we're going to move on here. i love the scene. >> you're welcome, america. >> you tried to get a tour of the house, roll it. >> is this something? >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> that's wonderful. >> we're so happy here. >> we sure are. >> i'll give you the tour. >> that's okay. i get it. >> what do you mean? >> it's bedrooms bathrooms, i get it. i see it it's beautiful. >> you don't want a tour? >> you don't need to walk me around. >> get the [ bleep ] out of my house. get the [ bleep ] out right now. >> fine i'll take the house tour. >> no i'm done i'm over it. i'm turned off, leave. get the [ bleep ] out. >> i'm turned off. lewis, leave. that's hysterical. you are so funny. before you leave, lewis was on the red carpet at the golden globes. he embarrassed us. i think he was fist pumping with

george clooney. >> i was interviewing people on the red carpet. you see george clooney you take the opportunity. let's roll a clip. >> here's george clooney and lewis. >> we have a little montage. can we hear it? >> not many people intimidate me but i love them. >>. how could you be intimidated? >> think would freak me out. >> i don't know why she needs to come back on. i'm looking for the george cloo clooney stuff. >> the stupidest questions i've been asked have been on the red carpet. >> it doesn't have to be the case. >> who are you excited to see? i don't want to see any of these people. >> i actually sat next to heidi klum. >> she won't go out with you. >> i already have a fiance so i

figured that. maybe she'll come in and co-host one day. >> that would be good. >> there's lewis. >> he's like champagne at that party. >> golden globes you drink. same thing with the sag awards. >> the one thing you bring up the work that lewis is doing, it's hard, it's not glamorous, it's tough stuff. you're trying to get moments. with lewis getting the fist bump, you're trying to get those moments moments. mini moments that you can turn around on tv. he did a good job. >> i'm going to use my inside my head voice. i'm bored already. >> you bored us. >> i apologize. >> it's hard work. >> what is lewis on the show, the young people table? >> exactly. we want to appeal to myil len

y'alls so we have to bring him in. the only problem is he's 38. he used to work. we're trying to figure out what to do with him. what do you think of the cocktail table? >> i'm too far away. >> it makes him feel like the other. >> i think it's demeaning. >>. i'm turning off, go. susie, stay with us. >> you want me to drag him closer to you. >> i want a glass of wine. >> oil prices keep falling lower and lower. why that may mean bad news for interest rates. stay with us, we'll be right back. [ julie ] the wrinkle cream graveyard. if it doesn't work fast... you're on to the next thing. clinically proven neutrogena® rapid wrinkle

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the bell. we're going to go o to michelle. i hear what's good news for drivers is bad for people buying stocks. explain what's going on. >> so crude oil is lower yet again. another day, another decline in the price of crude oil. in europe, it's below $46 for the first time since 2009. here in the united states texas oil is below $45 per barrel. that's pretty extraordinary. the price of oil down 60%. it's going to be really good news for drivers. that means more money in consumers' pockets. what's also happening this morning is long-term interest rates keep dropping. there's a great mystery in the financial world right now. all of the major central banks in the world are desperately

trying to create inflation. but they are failing. we keep seeing the rate of inflation go lower and lower and lower. in parts of europe it's been negative. and people are wondering what's going on. we see this when people buy treasuries long-term treasure treasuries, which the federal reserve used to be buying when they got out of that part of the market we would see more normality, but it's not happening. people are wondering why. put all that together, stock investors like it. we're going to get another rally. several days in a row of triple-digit moves. volatility is back in the stock market. the federal reserve is no longer so involved in the markets. >> that's a good way of putting it. >> it makes absolutely no sense. why are oil prices down? >>my michelle? >> so right now, roughly the world is producing about 90 million barrels per day. and we are roughly consuming about 89 million barrels a day.

so we have a million barrel per se surplus. china isn't as strong as we thought. here in the united states we're not driving as much. we have more fuel efficient cars. and there's a real trend away from the use of oil. and we are huge producers now in the united states in a way that nobody ever expected. we're now one of the biggest crude producers in the world. that's happened in a space under five years. it's been an incredible transformation because of fracking and shale oil, which has made us a lot more independent when it comes to the concern about oil independence. >> michelle cabrera, thank you. up next for the first time in 45-year history, there's no image on the latest cover of "essence" magazine. the editor joins us next to explain why.

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as long as i am unable to exercise my constitutional right to vote, i do not have command of my own life. i cannot determine my own destiny when it's determined for me by people who would rather see me suffer than succeed. those before us say no more. no more! >> that was a scene from the critically acclaimed movie "selma", based on the marches for voting rights. the movie comes at a time when a bigger national conversation is happening on the state of race relations in america. as part of that conversation "essence" magazine for the first time in its 45-year history doesn't feature an image on the cover. instead, just words. black lives matter appear. joining us now is the editor and

chief, good to have you back on the show. >> great to be here. >> this is a big departure, 45 years and what was behind the decision? >> well, i mean we wanted to make sure that we captured this it tipping point in our history. not just in black history, but in american history. black lives matter is a huge social media movement that is really transformed the way we think about social protests, social involvement, speaking out against social injustice. so what better way in the february issue, which we typically take a look at things like our history and our legacy, to really capture this moment in time. >> you have reader polls that are fascinating asking questions like what does the black community need the most. we have some of the answers. 19% say increased turnout at the polls still today. 24%, increased focus on education. 40%, strengthening our families.

17%, economic empowerment. talk about what stood out to you in those answers. >> i love the answer about strengthening our families. i think that was probably unpredictable unpredictable. some may thought we may u have weighed more heavily on the other answers. this is not a community that all thinks the same. there are many different opinions, many different points of view and that was a clear example of it. >> this is obviously a very important issue taking on a topic that needs a lot of different voices to bring to the table. so you have cureuates some great ones. jon legend and some of our own family members. who else is contributing? >> our editor in chief is included in the piece as well as isabel wilkerson, the author of "the warmth of other sons." we have sharel brown, who is a part of the new york city

justice league. one of three women of color came up with the entire hash tag and movement. >> i was watching that clip of selma in 1965. it's so long ago. since then so many things have changed, yet we have an african-american president and yet not. so we still have to talk about black lives matter. isn't that a given and yet it's not. what is it going to take to bring that home to people? >> i think it's interesting. we were just talking about this in the green room. there were two very important stories that happened last week. the massacre in nigeria over the weekend, the bombing of the naacp and we barely heard a whisper of that story. why aren't those stories just as important? >> the fact that in a lot of cases, social media overruled basic media. >> that's what's so exciting about this.

there really is the community can take control of its own conversation, can really drive conversation and force the larger community to pay attention. >> i like the reader poll on what changes you want to see in police training. we were talking about the conversation with bill bratton earlier in the show and the data showing there's a work stoppage. a bigger issue with the nypd and across the country is how engaged are they with the african-american community. we have some incredible stories of positive stories in new york city but a cultural sensitivity training, personality tests and higher education standards, extensive situational awareness and gun training, 58% want to see that. quickly explain. >> 58% feel that if the police have better training more sensitive training that it will result in better relationships with the community at large. overwhelmingly, this audience believes that that is the key to

making sure that some instances like the eric garner instance, and so many others so many women also being brutalized by -- those stories wouldn't be happening if there was the right kind of sensitivity training. >> thank you so much. we'll be looking for the new issue of "essence" magazine. we appreciate it. this is it. good-bye. i'm turned off. you're done. tomorrow here at 8:30 on "morning joe," our special guest will be josh gadd. remember him from "the book of mormon." he's out with a new movie with kevin hart. i love him. he's olaf in "frozen." the rundown with jose is up

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