llion more on the way. we're going to have in a few minutes my exclusive from inside the offices of that shell-shocked team that put together the issue. we'll keep you posted on that. but we're also following international news right now. new security updates and a new link to major terrorist organizations on an international front. aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, claiming formal responsibility for the attacks here in paris. the leader of the yemeni branch saying they laid the plan and financed the operation. isis also released a new video in which they praised the attacks. a new hybrid of multiple terror groups here involved in the story at this point. i want to turn to our nbcnews.com reporter who's been following the updates on the security front. good to have you on the show first of all. second of all, why did it take so long for any group to claim responsibility here? >> ronan, there was a video released last week from aqap

insinuating credit for the attack in pearce but not fully claiming responsibility. it does appear the group timed this claim of responsibility and the release of the video for the publication of this new issue of "charlie hebdo." in the video message released today, they said that the paris attack on "charlie hebdo" was vengeance for the publication of cartoons depicting the prophet muhammad. in the new edition of the magazine released today, the cover is another cartoon of the prophet muhammad. >> and does it seem like these claims are credible? how strong is the intelligence here? >> well, the video released today was released by the official media arm of aqap. so we're pretty certain it's directly from them. >> and in the video, they took responsibility for the kouachi brothers' part of the attack but not the other attacker from the supermarket. tell me more about that. >> well the video said it was basically a gift from allah, a

gift from god that the attacks coincided. we do know supermarket attacker amedy coulibaly, was linked closely to the kouachi brothers. as the aqap video said itself it was a lucky coincidence for them but a highly unfortunate cowince dense for everyone else. >> just pulling back to how significant this is, this is actually the first time aqap has launched an attack if this link ends up being true on western soil. is that accurate? >> well intelligence officials have thought for a long time that aqap was the al qaeda branch most likely to launch an attack in the west. there was a failed plot in 2009 the so-called underwear bomber plot, where a man tried and failed to detonate explosives in his underwear on an airliner. a year later, there was another foiled plot to the put bombs in printer cartridges and detonate those on board an airliner. >> thank you so much for keeping

us updated on that. really appreciate it. i want to turn back to the frenzy here over the new issue of "charlie hebdo." an issue that the group behind it is calling the survivors issue. that shell-shocked group holed up in an office just around the corner from here after an exhausting week emotionally and practically as they tried to make this issue something that would stand for their ideals in wake of this attack. lines around the block all over city today. people desperate to get an issue, and not many left in stock. we're hearing now that the usual circulation of 60,000 has been upped not just to 3 million that are already on stands today but 5 million. the reaction has been followed throughout the day by ron allen. what has the feel been like as people struggle to get their issues, even as we've had a hard time coming by? >> got one. i've been reading it all day with our french colleagues. it's quite something. i think most people who want this are drawn to the novelty of it. it's the most sought-after mag in the world, obviously. 16 pages. it's at times very high brow.

it's edgy. it's hard to compare it to anything in the states. it's humor, it's arrogant it's irreverent, it's all those things. >> it is deeply french was my impression. >> yeah, some of the humor is cultural. one of the jokes you might get is a terrorist who shows up in an airport trying to check in for a flight and you see his bags bulging with guns and the person at the counter says there's no seats available. he says okay i'll just hijack a plane. >> one of the less comprehensible planes is there's one comic towards the back in which they say our pens are sharper than you are, and there's an obscene word that means about three different obscene things in the french language. >> that's what this magazine has been. this is what they say and have been saying they're going to continue to be. it's a real act of defiance. of course, the coverage which we're not showing, with picture of muhammad -- >> and we're going to have a very frank conversation about some of the criticism of those policies not just from nbc but many other western organizations

later in the show. >> that's the nub of it. that's what most people are drawn to want to see and understand. that i think, is what "charlie hebdo" is trying to show the world, that we won't be cowed down. we'll keep doing what we're doing. we're not going to back down. incidentally as you know there are many other news organizations and newspapers in this country that are also facing threats. that's why there's such heavy security around everywhere in the journalism space. and they're not talking a lot about it because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. that's another reason that this is still ongoing. it's another reason why there are 10,000 troops in the streets. as people digest this and kick it around and try and find a copy, i imagine the 2 million other are going to be printed are going to go fast too. they're being auctioned on ebay for thousands of dollars. there's some value in it. it's just an interesting phenomenon. it's fascinating how this 30,000-circulation magazine became the -- of course there's a big spread about the several

million people out in the streets. there are jabs at politicians. again, it's mostly about making fun of terrorists and how stupid they are and how -- >> essentially what "charlie hebdo" has always stood for. ron allen, thank you so much for that. we'll be checking in with you throughout this story. we are also just getting some new updates over the wire. secretary john kerry set to arrive here already on a trip will now be meeting with president hollande. there's been a huge international conversation about u.s. representation at the marches last week. we're watching closely to see what comes out of this john kerry trip. i have to say anecdotally, the conversations we've been having here and the conversations specifically we've had with "charlie hebdo" staffers have not reflected a lot of criticism of the u.s. they seem to feel that the u.s. is in solidarity. of course, that's not the only international reaction we're watching. the world has watched the release of this new issue. our ayman mohyeldin is in tel aviv and has been following a lot of the different facets very varied reactions in many places around the world.

ayman, what can you tell us about how the world is looking at this new cover? >> hey, ronan. yeah, well with the release of that cover came that question as to whether or not news organizations and who, in fact would be willing to publish it. we understand the magazine has been published in 16 different languages. i can tell you from calling a lot of people across the arab world, i haven't heard yet of any arab country that's publishing or going to publish that magazine. here in israel the images of the cover have been put on local news channels. they've been reporting about it all throughout the day on israeli media, showing some of the other cartoons. some of them obscene. some of them going to be perceived as offensive. we've also heard that in turkey a publishing house there that wanted to publish some of the cartoons apparently was raided and closed down by the authorities or at least prevented from being allowed to

publish the new edition or the survivors edition of the magazine. it's not only the cover in the magazine that's sparked debate. here in israel there's been some controversy around an image that was published in one of the ultra orthodox newspapers here that showed that world rally, the unity rally that took place in france over the weekend. that's because the newspaper here actually photoshopped all of the women out of that march, effectively making it look that only men participated in it. angela merkel the queen of jordan and others all of them were removed from that. again, that sparks the issue of freedom of speech and the expression and at least some religious sensitivity. in terms of official reaction we have now heard from a few religious figures, particularly in egypt, the arab world, largest muslim country. they're the largest edict authority body which issues religious edicts has come out and condemned the new issue of "charlie hebdo," saying that it

was widening the discrimination or heightening the discrimination against muslims, widening the gap between cultures. it definitely condemned the violence. it did not call for any violence. but nonetheless, it was very critical of once again publishing images of the prophet muhammad on the cover. that was certainly a call that has been echoed by some other religious figures across the arab and muslim world, ronan. >> our ayman mohyeldin following the global reaction to this. and as the world watches, the personal story is playing out here on the ground at offices just around the corner where the staff of survivors hole up over this past week trying to make the most dramatic the most effective issue an issue that could do justice to their fallen colleagues. i spoke to one writer on the new issue, and i asked her in those offices how the past 24 hours have been. >> very emotional, sleepless, but sleepless week not only 24 hours. we woke up last wednesday with

this nightmare, and since this time, we're still just trying to recover, just to see what we are going to do. it's not easy for the moment. all those who are still alive want to continue working. no one wants to stop for the moment. but we are not sure that we -- that all of us will still have the courage to continue in the future because what we have faced is not easy at all. but for the moment everyone wants to continue, and that's very good. >> what do you most want the world to learn from the new "charlie hebdo"? >> we want -- first of all, this issue is a message of forgiveness because we feel that we need to forgive. otherwise, how could we -- we don't think to feel any hatred is that the word towards the

two guys who killed my colleagues. it is a message for them. if you can't kill an idea don't kill the people. because they can kill people but they cannot kill the idea. so the idea is still here. and we are also here. and if they kill us it doesn't matter because others will continue. >> a writer for "charlie hebdo" on a very important day and certainly a difficult one for that team. stay with us everybody. we're going to have certainly more of that online and later in the day. first, we're going to look at an important issue up next after this break. the reaction in muslim communities around this country and around the world. i spent some time in some of those communities here in paris. more on that next.

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i believe in the liberty of the freedom of expression. it certainly feels a little bit -- i don't know. i'm really a little bit sad when i see these pictures but i don't think it's a good reason to act and commit violent attacks against these people. >> "charlie hebdo" made something not good for the muslim community. it doesn't justify what happened. we are all against violence. >> my conversations, some of them in the -- in a muslim neighborhood. many were reluctant to talk to us there. many taking a slightly more hostile stance. certainly, we've also seen that around the world. iran today came out in a big public way condemning the publication of this magazine. the foreign minister of that

country saying that the cover insults islam. that's from a spokesperson in that foreign minister's office. the court in turkey actually banned the publication of the issue. and police there we're hearing, raided printing presses responsible for putting it out. so some very heated reactions to this on a significant and tense day. the executive director of the arab-american association of new york someone who's been watching this reaction closely. what's your response to this? >> i'm very offended by the cover of "charlie hebdo." "charlie hebdo's" magazine has ochbed ed offended me for a long time as does any publication that vilifies the prophet muhammad. but i support the freedom of speech of "charlie hebdo" and all journalists to say their piece. i also see the freedom of speech and expression of american-muslims and others who are offended by "charlie hebdo" to be able to criticize.

they shouldn't be free from criticism. >> and linda, i've talked to a number of writers behind the issue. one thing that was consistently stressed is they're not anti-muslim, that they in fact are making a statement of incluesivity, that all faiths should be able to laugh at themselves. what's your response to that? >> i think it's a really sensitive issue when you start talking about religion. while it shouldn't be off limits and everyone should be able to express whatever ideas they have they also have to accept the criticism that comes. of course that's never a justification of the murder of innocent people. of course, across the world, you've heard of muslim world leaders, muslim activists who have condemned the violence against these cartoonists and other journalists. but we have to have a larger conversation on freedom of expression and freedom of speech in a place like france that banned a comedian who has been deemed anti-semetic.

we can't pray in public. there was a ban on protests this past summer during the gaza war. so if we're going to talk about freedom of speech we want to make sure that applies to everyone including muslims in france and muslims across the world. >> one characterization that i've heard from within the "charlie hebdo" team is that the prophet muhammad holding that sign saying "je suis charlie" and the headline saying all is forgiven it an attempt at being conciliatory. a comment by one writer saying the next issue could be resolved by sitting down to a drink instead of violence. do you think this cover is productive in the conversation? >> i don't see any productivity from that or from the muslim perspective seeing that as a way of giving an olive branch to muslim community. i think we need to really have a conversation and understand the reality of islam-phobia.

how do we make sure they're part of the discussions, part of the conversation on addressing extremism and not trying to have these separate conversations and talking about multicultureismmulticulturism, talking about freedom of speech and expression with all parties involved including french muslims who are not feeling like they're part of the larger french society, at least from my understanding of many who are living in the suburbs and living in poverty and not seeing a way to go up the latddder. and the restrictions of laws on muslims needs to be include. a french muslim is just as important as a french christian, as a french jew. they're all french citizens and should all be treated as such. >> and linda, you mentioned islamophobia. there has been some attacks on mosques. certainly there's been -- how do

you stop that? how do you celebrate free speech while trying to protect populations? >> i call on our allies and nonmuslims to stand up and say, look, these muslims are part of our society. majority of muslims are good people. they contribute to our communities and we need to make sure that they are not the targets of any attacks. you know look it's not just in france. you saw recently in germany thousands of people hit the streets in an anti-islam protest. we're seeing in one week there were four attacks in sweden on mosques. this is a phenomenon across europe. we really need the european leaders to stand up and say, muslims have been here for centuries in europe. they're here to stay. they are part of our community. i think that's a strong message that i'm looking for and personally haven't heard from european leaders. >> linda, both of the sides of this conversation are very

important right now, both defending those muslim communities and also your coming out and saying we defend the right to free speech. your fwrup is an important part of this conversation. thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> stay with us everybody. we've got other top stories playing out around the world after this break, including a murder plot against john boehner. details on that next. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today. [container door opening] ♪

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where democrats are opposed to changing the president's immigration programs. funding for the department of homeland security is due to expire on february 28th. and a grim discovery overnight in the search for airasia flight 8501. singapore navy has found the fuselage of that crashed passenger jet. it's described as a 30-meter-long section with a wing attached. the defense minister showed these images today at a news conference. this is second major discovery in as many days. yesterday divers found that the jet's cockpit voice recorder they found that just yesterday. airasia flight 8501 disappeared from radar more than two weeks ago with 162 people on board. >> and from a grim discovery to a grim threat against john boehner. his country club bartender was indicted tuesday on a charge of threatening to poison the house speaker. michael hoyt has a history of

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aw he named names of those targeted for death for blasphemy. he was killed in 2011 s something that's made him a martyr to those attracted to his legacy on the internet. i want to go to j.m. burger in washington joining us. he's a leading expert on al awlaki and his legacy. he's written books about him and is a partner at the brookings stus institution. thank you so much, j.m. we have some sound here on the square, i apologize for that. we'll try to keep you audible there. is it credible that al awlaki was behind this in the first place? >> it's definitely credible. according to what we've been hering as this event has unfolded and we've been getting more and more information, you know, the preponderance of evidence points to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula's involvement in this and one of the kouachi brothers having travelled to yemen and met with al awlaki. that does appear to be the case. >> you know the sound that i mentioned behind me is actually john lennon's "imagine" playing here on the square where so many gather against the kind of

terrorism we're talking about here. i thought i'd note that in case it's audible for the audience. back to the calls for peace, why would the brothers have waited for three years after his death to execute on the attack he supposedly started? >> well that's one of the big questions that we really have here. we don't know exactly what al qaeda in the arabian peninsula tasks them to do. you know the statement today seemed to imply but didn't come right out and say, you know, they did exactly what they were told to in the time frame that they were told to do it. they may have been given a mission. maybe this mission maybe a different one, been sent back and for whatever reason they weren't able to carry it out for a long time or they chose not to carry it out and were prompted to do so more recently, possibly in response to the string of lone wolf attacks that have been taking place in france over the last month. >> tell me more about his ongoing legacy for those who are learning about him online years after his death.

is he still a recruiting draw for extremists? >> al awlaki still has power. he recorded hours and hours of lectures. one of the reasons he's such a powerful figure is he started off as a mainstream preacher who was very popular in mainstream muslims in america, in english spikers speakers over time, he started to reveal this more radical side of himself, which there's evidence to suggest that side was there all along and he was just hiding it. so he has an incredible body of work. just prolific. hours and hours of religious talks, some of which are not radical at all, or at least not overtly radical. and some which are much more powerful. most of these are evergreen. they're not predicated on current events. his influence as an ideologue can continue just in the same way that we would read book by an author who's long dead and be influenced by him. >> and talk about the specific

way that he died killed in a u.s. air strike. of course a significant moment since he was also american and killed in that air strike. caused a lot of debate in the human rights community. is that also significant in his drawing power? >> there's an aura around martyr martyrdom in this movement. it's considered a mark of distinction if you're killed fighting the united states or fighting crusaders. you know to some extent it does elevate his status but you have to weigh that against the possible harm he would have carried out if he'd stayed in place. he was orchestrating plots. he was actively recruiting people and apparently tasking people to carry out specific plots. there's the issue of him being an american that's a separate one and one that i think has probably not gotten the scrutiny that it should. as an american citizen, you know, it would be helpful, i think, for all of us to have a more thorough airing of the evidence against him to

understand what his role was rather than have it trickling out as it has been over the last couple years. >> thank you so much j.m. burger, for updating that. an important part of the story here and a troubling one. we're going to tackle next the issue that we mentioned earlier, whether the media can talk honestly about the "charlie hebdo" story while not showing some of the covers involved. that includes our own organization. i can't show you the full cover, but i'm holding the issue here. we're going to have an honest forthright conversation. that's next. s. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors. from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done.

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organization nbc news which has chosen for a long time many years prior to this not to show certain of the most offensive, quote/unquote, images to various faiths, that includes the muslim faith. in this case there's the prophet muhammad on this cover, as you know. but there are others who are publishing it. that includes "the l.a. times," fox news has chosen to publish this cover. it's led to a big debate. we want to take an honest look at that. we've been forthright about our policies and airing criticism of them. let's we have the editor of "the economist" and elyyee ely lake. i'll start with john. "the economist," are they showing the cover or not? >> yes, we are going to publish it this week. we didn't show the danish cartoons when they came out a few years ago because we felt we could report about them without necessarily showing them.

but we took the decision that it was difficult to report on this cover without actually showing people what it looked like. >> and do you sense that there's a difference in how european and u.s. publications are handling this call? >> i think it is varying a lot, according to country. i get the feeling -- i may be wrong about this -- i get the feeling that the europeans who feel they were very close to incident of last week feel more inclined to show this cover and publish it perhaps than americans who were further away. so i think -- i mean we have the same debate. you know do you want to cause offense, how much do you want to cause offense, is it necessary to cause offense? but i think after the loss of life of those who had done these cartoons before we felt more inclined to show the cover than not, despite the fact it is a cartoon of the prophet muhammad and will offend many muslims. >> john i want to stop you

there just to mention -- we've mentioned this in previous segments of this show but behind me is a famous international musician german nationality, but he goes to sites of upheaval in protest and plays songs of peace. we just heard a lot of john lennon. it adds an odd tone to this conversation at such a moment upheaval and sensitivity about these issues. i'll go to eli on how u.s. organizations are handling this. eli, talk about the conversation about this at "bloomberg," for the print publications can and your tv outlet. >> i can tell you that "bloomberg" itself did run a slide show of the offensive cartoons that "charlie hebdo" in one of the news stories. "bloomberg" has not done that. i would say personally my view is that you should show the cover of "charlie hebdo" this week. you should show the cartoons because they are extremely newsworthy. this is what set off a massacre

in a great western capital. so in that respect, they're definitely on the news. i do think that there is sometimes a legitimate concern for the safety of correspondents in dangerous areas where there could be retribution on those journalists who are not immune to being kidnapped by groups like isis and so forth. if that's the case there should be a very straightforward statement that this news organization will not publish the cartoons because we're afraid that our correspondents would be put into danger. instead, the kind of, you know twisting and turning that we've seen from others to explain, you know, sort of the various reasons why they're not doing it on the grounds that it's offensive when we normally don't publish offensive just doesn't really hold water. >> you know, eli, you mentioned the newsworthiness of this. that's a huge part of the conversation. we've had very very honest long conversations in my news room and news rooms around nbc.

we have a team of people who are looking closely at that policy. we've been very transparent about it. one of the things we've talked about is these are old standards that were put in place. you know policies of nbc management, and perhaps the game has changed when something acquires such extreme newsworthiness, where it's literally the center of the story. obviously, it's a heated debate. i know you asked some muslims about this cover as i have here in paris today, and they're deeply deeply offended. you mentioned there are even safety repercussions from that. john, do you think that the news value of seeing these images should trump essentially any standards or is there ever a line there? >> well i mean i think you do have to weigh particularly safety considerations. one of the danish newspapers the one that originally published muhammad cartoons did not republish this week. i think they took that decision purely on grounds of safety of their staff. i think that's legitimate. but i think that the case for publishing is much stronger now

after the events of last week because the essence of what we and others have been arguing is that free speech is an absolute requirement, and anybody who makes any gesture that looks as if you're questioning your freedom to publish what you want, i think, is in a sense giving ground to a terrorist attack. i think that is a consideration that weighs very heavily on the decision whether to show this cover of "charlie hebdo." and that's why we've decided we will show it this week. >> and look as a lawyer as someone who does care about human rights it's a very difficult conversation to be a part of. these are large media companies. they have long-standing policies and certainly they have, you know, very comprehensive reasoning behind those policies. but it is very difficult because a lot is at stake when free speech is threatened and threatened violently like this. what message, john do you think u.s. media companies that are not showing these images are

failing to hear right now? >> i think they're perhaps not quite in my view weighing quite enough the right response specifically to last week's attacks. i mean previously when it's just been people saying we find these cartoons very offensive, i think it's been legitimate for people to say, well, you know, we don't particularly want to offend people for no reason. we don't really approve of this sort of cartoon, so we're not going to show it. and i think that was a reasonable position for people to take. but i think when people have actually lost their lives putting out cartoons however offensive they are to certain people, i think it raises the bar a little bit in favor of standing up for the freedom to publish what you like. and i think it's something that actually many muslims agree with, even as we've heard on your program, even those who find the cartoons offensive. they think that there should be a right to publish them, and

certainly there should be no threat to those who do. >> eli, where do you see these decisions and these policies of various news organizations heading? obviously, the landscape is changing in a big way. power in media has become much more disaggregated. there's new standards and practices in the world of journalist. what's next for this? is it going to head towards showing more and more? >> listen i think there's two issues here, and i would agree very much with what the other guest has said. the first point here is that there is i think, an obligation of those of us who are journalists to show solidarity with our murdered colleagues, even if we didn't agree, you know, with some of the images or some of the cartoons. when the stakes are that high and when something as ghastly as this happens, i think there is an important message to say the opposite of what you hope to accomplish to shut everybody up is going to happen instead. these images these messages will be amplified. and the second is i think it's very important.

do not let these barbarians become the spokesman for a vast and great religion. truth of the matter is i think there are plenty of muslims who do not care and there are plenty who are just as offended by the kind of violence that, you know is done in the name of -- against blasphemy. in that respect, because of that context, i think it's very important to say these people have absolutely no -- it's like we have to draw our own red line, if you will our own margins. >> and that refrain you hit on is one of the most powerful responses i've heard to this debate. what about offending those who stand for free speech? is not a debate we're going to wrap up today, but it is an important one. i thank you both for weighing in on it. stay with us everybody at home. we have part two of my exclusive internet with the widow of the iconic editor of "charlie hebdo," a man who defended that very right to free speech. we're going to look at whether he knew the attack was coming. she says maybe yes. that's next.

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welcome back. we're live from the lerepub leek. and if you are hearing music, there is a player behind me and many gathering around. many haven't moved on and many never will. one figure whose lost is charb, the iconic editor of "charlie hebdo." he was a fierce defender of free speech and that came at a cost and that is what we heard when we talked to the partner he left behind jeannette bougrab still in grief.

she told me the life he led, under a shatdo of fear most of the -- shadow of fear most of the time. i asked her when she felt violence first entered their lived and take a listen of this. >> because he represents the rule of law, because he represents democracy. it is not acceptable for this guy to criticize religion. charb is shy. because maybe you watch a picture of charb, like this, like a shoulderoldier, but he is not a soldier, he is a guy. he is very kind. i never a guy like this. he came from a level class. he didn't study in university. he is a model of a french dream n. french we talk about the -- in french we talk about the american dream. you start very low in the scale,

and you grow, you grow. it is a wonderful example, a beautiful model for a lot of people. >> tell me about your life with charb? >> it is very difficult because charb had a bodyguard every day. >> even before this attack he was under guard? >> yes. he was protected by two bodyguards. charb knew that one day he will be killed by terrorist and he's afraid. he sleeps with a knife, yes. >> with a knife? in bed with him? >> yes. in bed. and i think that he knew that one day he would be killed by a terrorist. but i can't -- i couldn't imagine this -- this situation in the center of paris, you know.

we are not in pakistan. we are not in yemen. we are in france in paris. the love for the people. >> did you talk about the possibility that this might have happened? >> yes, we talk about it. because we knew that it was -- it is very difficult to explain to people. he had a dangerous life. the last year charb had to work in the newspaper -- you know the newspaper le monde? >> yes. >> to explain why he draws some -- because people accused him of being racist and against religion. he is not against religion but the right to blaspheme, it is just a freedom, you can talk

about everything i think in democracy. >> he was not anti-muslim, in your point of view? >> no. he was my boyfriend. he was my boyfriend. no. in france when you criticize, you have no problem. >> and he did frequently. >> yes. always. jean paul and else. jewish and christian. but it is not okay to criticize muslim. it is a problem. >> and when should people learn from charb? >> the courage. he didn't want to compromise with his conviction you know. it is very important to stand up and die for his conviction.

and think it is a model for all of the world. how many people can say i would like to die for freedom. i prefer dying for freedom to be in the safe world, you understand? >> yes. >> charb, through the eyes of the woman he left behind, and thanks to jeannette bougrab and thank you for joining us here. "the reid report" is right after this break. [voice echoing] no one at all! no one at all! no one. wake up! [gasp] oh! you okay, buddy? i just had a dream that progressive had this thing called... the "name your price" tool... it isn't a dream is it? nope. sorry! you know that thing freaks me out. he can hear you. he didn't mean that, kevin. kevin: yes, he did! keeping our competitors up at night. now, that's progressive. okay buddy what's your favorite kind of cheerios? honey nut. but...

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hello, everyone i'm joy reid and welcome to "the reid report." one way to the day after people were gunned down at the headquarters of "charlie hebdo," 3 million copies of the magazine's latest edition have sold out. in what many showed as