busting, moving on from public employees to all employees. it's very telling that what they are starting with is attacking the public schools because that is really where the money is. and it's -- that is a loser with the public and a winner with their funders. >> ruth connif thank you. "politicsnation" is up next with reverend al sharpton. >> thanks for tuning in. i'm live from columbus ohio. we start with two breaking news stories tonight on terror. one here at home and one abroad. first, a plot to attack the united states capital. federal authorities have filed charges against an ohio man who wanted to plant pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol and then lie in wait to shoot employees as they came out of the building. the man's name is christopher cornell. he was reportedly seeking an alliance with the terror group

isis. the feds say that just today he bought an m-15 semiautomatic assault rifle, like this one, to use in the attack. after that the fbi moved in and arrested him. authorities say he was under investigation the entire time. the government learned of his plans from his own social media accounts and officials are saying tonight that cornell never poised a danger to the public. joining me now is jim cavanaugh, retired atf agent and msnbc law enforcement analyst. thanks for being here jim. >> thanks rev. >> jim, what do you make of this plot? pipe bombs and m-15 assault rifles, what do you make of this? >> well the guy is an inspired actor. you know, the criminal complaint written by the fbi agent, the fbi stayed with it since the summer. he's a young man. he's only 20. but he's inspired by the -- on

the web. he talks about anwar al awlaki which is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula deceased cleric. he's not connected to anybody. he's inspired by the web and plans an attack to make pipe bombs and a rifle attack which he bought the military-style weapon. he bought the 600 rounds of ammunition. he was going to go to the capitol and start shooting people. >> now, it says in the court documents that he had never received, quote, authorization, but the documents say that the suspect texted an fbi informant and said quote, i believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the islamic state here and plan operations ourselves. how do they deal with groups

like isis jim? >> just like this reverend al. a cooperating citizen, a person alerted the fbi and said this man might be dangerous. that's how you get the first clue. and then the agents stayed with it. they sent somebody to meet with him and monitored him. they tape recorded him, i'm sure that's the way we always did it and tape recorded the conversations, gave them chances to get out of the plot and he still wanted to do it still wanted to kill people. there's no doubt he's following on with the news that's coming out of paris and going for rifle attacks, too. he's not going to get inside the u.s. capitol. the capitol police are a formidable force. they are very efficient. they have 1500 officers. they are everywhere up there. he could get on the street and start shooting people and throwing pipe bombs and he'll get killed but the carnage he could wreak in the few minutes he had to do it could be awful. >> this lone wolf when you look

at the fact that he posted support of isis on twitter, claimed he had been in contact with persons overseas never got specific authorization for an attack but said he wanted to quote, wage jihad against our own orders. what do you make of that? >> that's what they are telling people. in the latest edition of "inspire" magazine which just came out, they are directing people and giving detailed instructions on how to make bombs to get through airport security. in the spring they gave instructions on how to make car. bos. they are telling people act alone, attack america attack britain. this is exactly what the terrorists and murders want them to do. he's done it and got himself in a legal bind and luckily because the agents and a cooperating individual, nobody has been hurt

or killed. >> now, this is a huge problem for law enforcement here. i mean how do they deal with it and what can they learn from paris in having a plan mapped out to deal with these kind of lone wolf problems and lone wolf challenges that we're now beginning to see? >> well there's lots of lessons from paris. one thing is how are you screening and working and surveilling electronically physically and interacting with people that you know have traveled abroad, people that are in the movement people that are connected with terror kind of like the brothers that went to a conflict zone came back everything should raise the stature. no doubt foreign intelligence are scrubbing their methods to say, these are people that we have to look closer at because you can't watch everyone. the lone wolf guy came up like

he should. somebody saw it on twitter and said, hey, this is wrong, i'm going to call the authorities and they did. that's really the only way that we're going to break the lone wolves, if we get a tip from somebody who sees them preparing, getting ready, speaking like that. it's always going to be very subtle and you can dismiss it and say, well he probably won't do it but you need to act on it. >> jim cavanaugh, thank you for your time tonight. also tonight, breaking news on the terror attacks in paris where 3 million copies of the new issue of "charlie hebdo" sold out in minutes today. just one week after eight journalists who worked for the magazine were killed by two islamic jihadist brothers in a hailstone of bullets. today, the leader of al qaeda in yemen released a video claiming responsibility for the attack on the magazine. and isis released another

propaganda video praising the paris attacks and urging followers to carry out more attacks in the west including the united states. also today for the first time we're seeing the chilling images of what happened inside that kosher supermarket where over a dozen hostages were held by amedy coulibaly. you see bodies of people coulibaly killed and the militant gunman in a bulletproof vest directing hostages to disassemble the security cameras around the store. so what was al qaeda's involvement in these attacks? and do they have plans for even more attacks in europe? and at home? joining me now is jim, a former department of defense counterterrorism analyst. jim, first of all, thank you for

being here this evening. >> thanks for having me back reverend al. >> do you buy the claim that al qaeda in yemen is responsible for funding and training this attack in paris? >> yes. they were very likely -- we know at least one of the kouachi brothers went there for training in 2011. there he probably learned how to shoot, he probably learned how to finance the plan build up a financial network, he probably learned how to pick a target as well. and then went back. it's important that viewers understand that when al qaeda in the arabian peninsula releases a statement saying we did this we directed him, we choose the target, that's probably not 100% true. the timeline here is very simple. he went in 2011. then he was allowed to perhaps carry about $20,000 from media reports that indicate he went back to france and then he --

the brothers sat around they recruited coulibaly and then planned the attacks very likely on their own. so it behooves al qaeda in the arabian peninsula to claim responsibility and say yes, this is absolutely us 100% after the fact when the kouachi brothers are not alive anymore to dispute exactly how involved al qaeda in the arabian peninsula was. >> in the tape they did not take responsibility for the supermarket attacks, just the attacks on the magazine. what does that say to you? >> well it's a little bit confusing because coulibaly, the operative in the supermarket, said he acted in the face of isis and then they don't say that they were involved in anything but encourage future attacks. this is a heck of a media spat between isis and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they don't really like each other and we don't know the extent to which coulibaly had

any training or financial help with isis. at this point we can probably assume that it was relatively low. but at this point, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is probably trying to build itself up because it sees isis getting all of the press attention and now that al qaeda in the arabian peninsula has done something, quote/unquote good in their eyes isis has the incentive to say, wait hold on don't forget about us. look, here we are talking about it on the evening news. so from that extent they've achieved their public relations aims. >> well these are new and scary times. jim, thank you so much for your time this evening. >> thank you for having me. coming up mike huckabee's problem with beyonce. now a former president is speaking out. plus hillary clinton has a new team member. is a presidential announcement coming soon? and is a civil war coming? what mitt romney is reportedly saying about jeb bush. ve?

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. today republicans showed what kind of planning party they will be. house republicans voted to make it easier for big banks to crater the economy all over again and to deport millions of immigrants. this morning speaker boehner bragged about his attack on the president's historic immigration action. >> this executive overreach is an afront to the rule of law and to the constitution itself.

enough is enough. >> the vote directly targeted the president's actions, shielding over 5 million people from deportation. and next they sent a valentine to wall street gutting key sections of the dodd/frank bank reform. just like that they threatened millions of families and put the country's economy at risk. it's extreme. and the president isn't standing for it. vowing to veto a series of gop policies. including their anti-immigration bill. the keystone pipeline attacks on his health care law. rollbacks of federal regulations. and their assault on bank reform. veto after veto the president knows the american people don't back the gop agenda no matter

what conservatives tell themselves. >> dodd/frank is no longer policy it's no longer fill loss fee. it's an article of religious faith. it came down from mt. sighnai. >> actually dodd/frank came from our next guest. joining me now is former congressman barney frank. thank you for being here congressman. >>. >> you're welcome. >> clear this up. did dodd/frank bank reform bill come carved in stone or did it require an economic collapse to galvanize congress and then your hand work help to make it law? >> it was obviously a response to the worst economic crisis since the new deal.

three theologically driven and much of what is in that bill began out of conversations that we had, senator dodd myself and others with the bush administration's top economic officials. ben bernanke secretary of treasury hank paulson. i'm saying this began with a collaboration and much of what is in there was at their request. sheila bair, a republican appointed by george bush. but she was a bob dole republican and they've now become dismissed. of course there's room for change in any complicated bill. i'd like to toughen in. it other cases we should clarify things. here's the problem. you can't go to war, you can't say, we're going to totally repeal this, no regulation is

necessary. when the house voted on this bill the republicans didn't offer various amendments as their basic point. they offered a motion to kill all financial reform. so the answer is this. yeah, we should be working together to try and make improvements in anything. but you can't do that while you have people threatening to undo the whole thing. >> congressman, how do you assess this republican party today? i mean is it the same old, same old. $1.2 billion into lobbying and campaign spending in the last election cycle, $1.2 billion they poured in. how much influence does the industry have on capitol hill? >> well, they have a lot, the financial mint treeistry, if the public is not paying attention. that's what happened. these are complicated issues. for 30 years, with the financial

derivatives and securityizing mortgages, they got away with that because nobody was paying attention and then the collapse came. and at this point, the american people understood it. now, i think the republicans made a great political mistake as well as a substantive and economic one. they assumed the public has forgotten how we got into this terrible situation. and i, frankly, welcomed in some ways what they are doing and they show what kind of party they are. what the republicans are doing now is teeing up a major issue for the election of 2016. it's apparently the issue of the republican party unlike the way it was under george bush when we collaborated on financial reform and adopting new rules for new ideas. one of the things that will happen the republicans will win everything in 2016 we are back where we were before the bill was passed and in a situation with no consumer protection bad

mortgages being issued without any restrictions dazzling people and i welcome this. i'm very happy with the president's decision. he's made it very clear and i think what will happen is the president will veto those bills and we'll have a public debate and you're going to find that the public's memory is not as short as they think. >> let's turn to immigration. senator john mccain today applauded the house gop vote saying quote, today congress has a responsibility to respond and push back on his illegal power-grab. is this the kind of harsh rhetoric and far right policy going to backfire on the gop? >> i think it will. senator mccain used to support the substance of these immigration policies. he's falling in with his party. by the way, i'm particularly amused -- not amused but be mused because republicans, on the one hand are complaining that they are not getting

approval to do this but they are also saying that the president ought to be sending troops into syria and expanding the bombing and engaging in widespread military action in the middle east without congress. do you see the republicans stepping forward and saying wait a minute mr. president, you can't send troops into these combat situations when we're not ourselves directly involved. >> right. >> i've got to ask you, why is it a greater chance of unilateral power, not deporting people who's got family here and who have been law-abiding citizens or prolonging military action which people lose their lives and cost us tens of billions. so the hypocrisy is very clear. >> lastly i want to read you this quote. "i believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally." do you know who said that?

ronald reagan said that. congressman frank, what happened to the republican party? >> well that's a good point. i was there when ronald reagan -- i worked on that bill with ronald reagan and former senator alan simpson. the greatest achievement since dwight eisenhower was the interstate system. that's in need of repair and extension and the right wingers that now control the republican party don't want to continue that. they say, let it go to the states. there's been this rightward move of the republican party. ironically, i think the major reason is public anger over the financial crisis and here's the problem that we democrats had. the financial crisis happened because of the deregulation under the republicans. president obama came in and had to deal with it. people complained about bailouts. everything that's called a bailout in recent american history was initiated by george bush, whether it was t.a.r.p. orphan knee

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ask is he really going to do it? for months mitt romney said this. >> are you thinking about running for president again? >> no. i'm thinking about the people who i want to see running for president. i didn't win. it's time for someone else now. the answer is now. i'm not running for president in 2016. i'm not running for president. i've said that so many times. >> but "the washington post" says it's almost certain romney will run in 2016. so what changed? perhaps it was this guy. starting to get headlines. that's right. jeb bush moved closer and closer to getting in the race. and romney reportedly didn't like it. "the daily beast" reports jeb is a joke in romney land.

one romney donor said that romney told him that. "a bush can't beat a clinton." romney doesn't think a bush can beat a clinton. but can a romney? and these two have a lot of similarities. while they are fighting it out, does that open the door for someone else entirely? >> you've got to get new people you've got to attract new people to win and i think it's just time that probably the party's going to be looking for something fresh and new." >> to 16 is a long way away but in the gop, the fight's already on. joining me now is jonathan capehart "the washington post." and msnbc's abby huntsman. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> abby, as a huntsman, what do

you make of this? can you see a romney/bush clash? >> i definitely see that but i see this more being about romney himself. having been through this experience with my dad running, running for president is a humiliating experience. it's tough on families. a lot of people are scratching their heads saying what you really want to do this again? and what this comes down to is romney runs on ego. what he wants is control. and i think he had the sense that the party would sort of coalesce around him and say, you're the only one who can beat hillary clinton and jeb makes it obvious that he's thinking about running and you have donors fleeing to jeb bush and that's scary for someone like romney because it makes him feel like he's not as relevant, like he didn't have the power that he thought he had. this is more about romney wanting to stay relevant whether or not it's the best thing for him and his family or the country, for that matter.

>> jonathan, at least on the surface, the similarities between jeb bush and romney are striking. they are both former governors, they both worked in the financial industry they both have problems with the gop base. romney's father was a governor who wanted to be president while bush's father was president. >> uh-huh. >> if one of them doesn't like the other, what does that say? >> well that says there's a lot of animosity there. the real question is if they run against each other, what does that do to the field and to the pool of voter who is would go to one or the other? if mitt romney were the only one in that race or jeb bush was the only person in that race then all those voters would go to them. if they split, that moderate -- well that moderate voter, part of the republican party base that would go for them that mike make it easier for someone on the fringes to run between them

and snatch some delegates, i'm thinking of someone like rand paul or ted cruz or any of the other folks considering running for president. >> you know the conservative website daily caller says that there's a disarray in the establishment wing of the party. it could create opportunities for potential candidates like ted cruz rand paul and marco rubio and even scott walker. is that true abby? >> i'm sure that's true. that's exactly what they do want because it further divides the mainstream more moderate wing of the party and gives them a bigger voice. i mean it's going to be a very crowded 2016 probably similar to what we saw in 2012 which makes me a little bit nervous. what the party needs right now is to come together, to start talking about a strategy and policies that can relate to the american people and this is

probably going to be a blood bath. it's probably going to become very negative. with ads, i can already see that. so definitely good news for those on the far right, is my guess. >> jonathan let me follow that up. is this going to create the possibility of someone on the far right that may not be considered that palpable to a lot of us looking at this from the outside but can they emerge as a ted cruz or you mentioned rand paul. >> it could. look, if you look at the primary calendar, it starts with states that might be a little difficult for mitt romney and jeb bush especially if you have a mike huckabee in the race who is very popular with social conservatives so that might make it possible. he could win again. the iowa caucuses. after that is new hampshire where jeb bush or certainly mitt romney who is the governor of the neighboring state

massachusetts could win that. then you go to south carolina. then i'm not sure how the republicans have changed their calendar but what usually happens is after south carolina comes florida. so it could be that one of those folks who is popular with the far right could take some of the early states and that's when having that establishment backing where mitt romney or jeb bush who would have the financial wherewithal to hang in there until they could win some states, that's probably the game plan that's being constructed. certainly for mitt romney. we have to keep in mind -- and as you show the similarities between the two where they both -- jeb bush and mitt romney have problems with their base but they have different problems with their base. jeb bush's problem with the base is they don't like his stances on a couple of issues immigration, common core the education issue. mitt romney's problems with his base back in 2012 is they didn't

really like him and they also didn't really trust him. and so he's still going to have that problem in '16 if he runs. >> abby one quote that caught my eye, a long-time adviser said if romney had won -- this is a quote -- there wouldn't be an isis at all and putin would know his place in life. domestically, things would be in better shape. no isis? putin would know his place? would everyone get a puppy with their tax returns, too? >> we probably wouldn't have the spread of ebola either to be honest? no. i think hindsight is 20/20 for a lot of these guys. the grass is always greener. you always want to think that if you had won things would be better. if you look at the economy, you can't make that argument. things are actually moving in the right direction it seems. >> say that again abby. >> the economy is doing well. the economy is doing better. i agree with capehart and the

biggest struggle with romney is his ability to connect with people. he wasn't able to do that the last two times he ran with people. he or she is connecting with the american people and that's an important quality and if you can't do that the first two times, my guess is that the third won't be any different. >> maybe his strong suit is his ability to cause mischief but we'll see. jonathan capehart and abby huntsman thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> watch abby on "the cycle" right here at 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. coming up a former president speaks out on mike huckabee's problem with beyonce. plus hillary clinton has a new team member. is a presidential announcement coming? and a dog rides the bus alone. do i need to say more? conversation nation is next.

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>> glad to be here rev. >> thank you rev. >> is hillary clinton close to a presidential announcement? "the wall street journal" said white house adviser john podesta is joining emerging hillary clinton campaign. he's a former staffer for bill clinton and brought on as special counsel last year. neither podesta has commented ohhen this report. jason, what do you make of this? is an announcement coming soon? >> probably this spring. but there's only two things hillary clinton needs to worry about. she needs competition. if she doesn't have a warren or a pataki or someone else it's going to be hard for her to

convince us to vote for her. and hillary has hardly said anything. it doesn't matter how many washington insiders she gets if she's not doing those two things, she's not going to do well in 2016. >> let me ask you, shawn. is she gearing up? does this podesta hire show you that she's gearing up for the race and we may be seeing an announcement soon? >> well, rev, if she's not gearing up for a political campaign i'm not sure why you would have somebody like john podesta step down from his current position and get on her side and be on her team. look, he's one of the -- when you talk about a democratic heavyweight, he's definitely that. and i definitely think that people are ready for hillary clinton. you know, she will -- i think one of the big things that she's going to have to worry about is being able to answer questions

that she hasn't really specifically answered in the past. number one being monica lewinsky and what happened during that time. monica lewinsky recently came out and joined twitter and that reignited that whole conversation about what was that whole time in the clinton administration like? so i think once hillary clinton is able to get past questions like that, then she can -- you know she's getting this team together and i think she's going to be a real contender. i think we might be ready for another clinton in the white house. >> shira, shawn raised it because the chair of the gop reince priebus said everything is on the table. they are going to bring up bill clinton's personal life. monica lewinsky will certainly be there. that's going to be on the table. >> i think it will be on the table in terms of republican primaries and there's republicans that want to talk about this but you'd be hard-pressed to find a clinton

supporter anywhere that hasn't gotten past monica. that was over ten years ago. they have a lot of competitive states and when you ask those voters the democratic primary voters especially what they like about the clintons monica rarely rarely comes up. if i could also mention the issue of staff, you can't reach out to the base necessarily until you get some semblance of the campaign staff. there's a lot of drama among the ranks, a lot of infighting and it proved detrimental to her in the long run. and so is finding the right people going to be detrimental. >> now to, a former president jimmy carter weighing in on mike huckabee's problem with beyonce. we told you last night how former fox news host mike huckabee complimented the president and first lady on how they've raised their daughters and then criticized their closeness to beyonce. former president jimmy carter

weighed in on the controversy today. >> i don't agree with much that mike huckabee says and i think president obama is doing a good job. >> shawn, you cover celebrities. how is hollywood reacting to this criticism of beyonce? >> rev, i've got to tell you, i think politicians know that if they want to get some publicity, just talk about beyonce. i mean, my goodness, anytime somebody has something to say about pop culture or the entertainment world, they mention beyonce and they know that that's going to be front page news. look you know you can't tell people how -- first of all, i don't think parents like for you to tell other parents how to raise your children and if you don't want your kids to listen to beyonce or anybody else then that is your rule as a parent to keep them from listening to that type of music. but i'm not sure how he is --

i'm not sure how huckabee -- i just imagine huckabee -- his wife calling him, honey, dinner's ready. he's like oh wait a minute, i'm watching these beyonce videos so i can be on top of telling people what not to do. i don't know why people are always putting her in the forefront when we talk about what's so bad with pop culture? i'm not sure exactly why he's doing that. >> well i'm not too sure kids like being told what to listen to either. >> that's right. >> but jason, i said it last night and i repeat is this all they have left to criticize president obama about? are we down to the kids and listening to beyonce? >> yeah. and it seems silly. barack obama has a lot on his ipod that his kids listen to but it's really hypocritical of mike huckabee. he plays front man for a band called capital offense. they've opened for dionne

warwick and he might want to think about who he's performed with on stage and how that's affected his own children. >> shira, tell me how -- what is the measure of this -- of huckabee wanting to take a shot at president obama and mrs. obama? >> look i think mike huckabee said that for one reason only and it was to sell books. why does mike huckabee need to sell his own book? because he wants to remain relevant in the 2016 conversation and turn again to sell more books. i really don't think mike huckabee's angling for the youth vote with a comment like this. first of all, who insults the queen b? it's a silly move. secondly, he cuts across like a grandma complaining about elvis dancing in the '60s. this is so throwback 50 years ago. >> i see all of those millions of youth voters leaving

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we're back with the panel, shaun, jason, and shira. here comes the award given to the worst performances of the

year. the winners, if you can call it that, were announced last night. "transformers" won for the worst movie of the year. and congratulations to kerkirk cameron. cameron diaz won for a few roles, including her performance in "annie." shaun, is it always a fun one to watch? do the actors play along? >> well i don't really know about that rev. i don't know if anybody likes to get a razzie but here's the deal. hollywood can be the most self-congratulatory business on the planet. there's award show after award show. we are deep in it right now. every single week we've got somebody congratulating somebody. >> and the oscar nominees are announced tomorrow. >> that's right. here's the deal. it's fun. people are like wait a minute you're not as great as you think

you are and so that's why you have the razzies and i think a lot of them take it in stride. hopefully down the line they actually gave an award for people who have kind of rebounded and ben affleck was on that list. they said he went from "argo" to "gone girl." so hopefully all of the actors will take it in stride. >> jason, what do you think? you know by the way, jason halle berry showed up and she owned the night. i mean showing up because she was nominated for the razzies. i thought that was very interesting. >> she gets one almost every year. her cat woman was really bad, like a lifetime achievement award for the razzies. i love that they gave a razzie to mel gibson for "expendable

3." so yeah i pay more attention to the razzies than the oscars. >> i tried to watch "blended" on the plane and watched something else. it's paying tribute to the mistakes that we all make in our careers. >> not only that rev, going to the movies is expensive. i just went the other day and it's, what 15 bucks? people are upset when they shell out that much money and you're getting a real dud. so you know look it's all in fun. >> you have to know what was coming. >> i was fooled. i was fooled. >> well, that's true. i won a razzie and i wasn't even in a movie. so we all do make mistakes along the way. but i think it's a fun night and it's good that people play

along. how about the actresses, shaun, in this? let me ask you something more serious. what about the oscar's? >> tomorrow morning i've got a really, really early call time. i think for best picture we're going to have -- now, don't hold me to this rev, but if i get them all right, you have to treat me to something. "definitely boyhood," "selma," "the theory of everything," "the grand budapest hotel" and i'm thinking the fifth one will be "birdman." those five definitely. >> all right. we're going to hold that tape shaun, and we're going to hold you to that. and if you win we're going to hold you to you take me to lunch. shaun, jason and shira, thank you for your time tonight. when we come back, "selma"

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