ing news of a deadly anti-terror raid in belgium. this is amateur video, unconfirmed by nbc news reporting to feature the raid. authorities say two suspects were killed an one arrested after they opened fire on police the belgian federal prosecutors office said the raid was a search of ten homes of people recently returned from syria. they say the raid stopped what they believe was an imminent attack. >> during the investigation. we found this group wus about to commit terrorist attacks. >> belgian authorities did not point to any connections with the attacks in paris last week. a known arms dealer is under arrest after turning himself in yesterday saying he sold

coulibaly the weapons. right now it's unclear if the there's any connection between those weapons, the suspected arms deal enand the the raid in belgium. joining me now is katy tur. katy, thanks for joining me. can you give us more intel on exactly how the raid went down? >> well, the prosecutor's office released few details at this emergency news conference saying they have still more arrests to do. so they were not going to give us much information. they said when they approached the home the suspects immediately openeded fire on them. they returned fire and neutralizeded the suspects as soon as they could. who dead and one injured. potentially more taken into custody. witnesses described a different story. they say they first heard a large explosion. i'm not sure if they're confusing that with rapid

gunfire. machine gunfire if you will and then more explosions. they were told to run, take cover and stay inside their home. now you can see in this amateur video there is a pyre in the home. that would lend to the idea there was some sort of explosion inside the apartment. the prosecutor's office didn't mention explosions. they only said the suspects opened fire on them immediately and they returns fire and were able to neutralize them quickly. ten homes were raided. this is the only one that broke out in any sort of violence. to give you context, it's a small country. about 11 million people. per capita they had the most foreign fighters in syria and iraq. they believe about 150 people

fighting in those countries right now. in foreign wars. they're on a high level of alert for potential gee haudists coming home. when this suspected terror cell came back there are reports they were under surveillance for a week before they decided to move in on them. they do believe, though they were able to stop -- i guess what some are calling a largely "charlie hebdo" style attack in brussels. but it's not con iffirmed to be directly linked to the attack in paris. we not know if the suspects had links or communication or contact with any attackers in the paris attacks. that's unconfirmed. the prosecutor eegs office will have another press conference tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m. local time. hope fly we'll get a little bit more information when that comes out. also a little bit more context to give you. last year in may of 2014.

a man was arrested and charged with murder for killing four people in a jewish museum in what they believe was islamist style attack. they were already on a high level alert. and certainly more of a high level alert after the recent attacks in paris just last week. >> katy tur, thanks katy. joining me now is director of the stein program on counter terrorism and sbejs at the washington institute for near east policy. and codirector on the center for security and intelligence at the brookings institution, michael o'hanlan. in terms of belgium, we don't know if there's any connection between the raid and a belgium arms dealer. i want to focus on the dealer. in terms of the belgium arms network, could there be feasibly

a connection between al qaeda and the arabian pen sue? >> it's possible. i think the first thing to say about arms in europe this kind of weaponry the small arms. automatic weapons. they're not as easily available as in the united states. so on balance, it houb should be harder to pull it you have. in france they became suspicious a larger cell was behind the attacks. they wondered how the weapons got into the hands of these brothers. in belgium, we could be seeing the same thing. in other words, there has to be some kind of illicit arms network behind the law and cell working with it to make it feasible to get these automatic weapons, grenades et cetera. they're not as easily available

in europe as the united states. europe may have a slight advantage on bans over us in terms ofty. they have a more bitter muslim community in certain countries, at least, and they're just a little bit less able to keep the foreign jihadists from going to syria and the arabian peninsula and coming back. >> as this all unfoildslds, i think a lot of the american audience is coming to realize the specific throats posed in various european countries, and i want to talk about spain. we are hearing reports there may have been a support cell. i wonder if you can give us a landscape in spain in the decades since the 2004 madrid train attacks. >> the ma did case was really a turning point for spanish counter terrorism authorities. they've been very on top of

things since then. but you have an open travel area in europe. and so people can come and go as they please. the reason i think, people focused on arms trade in belgium so quickly is the french are particularly good at counter terrorism within their country. and it would have been very strange if someone was able to get these arms within france without french authorities knowing about it. the belgians are very concerned about the foreign fighter networks. the individual who is are returning. i was just in europe meeting with belgian authorities on this. they are coming up with all kinds of interesting programs to deal with them. only now at the beginning. they're not yet put in place. >> let me follow on that matthew. in terms of the cooperation and coordination among european countries, i mean is it safe to assume it is very open lines of communication and law

enforcement is working closely together on this? >> there is. not the same type between the five is. the united nations and the united kingdom. within western europe especially traditional powers there's a tremendous amount of cooperation developed over the past decade and over just the past couple of years because of events in syria and now in iraq the need to cooperate is even more important. as mike said before especially in regards to travel. consider the case believed to have carried out the attack against the jewish museum in brussels brussels. he tried to hide his travel home. coming through the netherlands, making his way through brussels. the availability to travel freely throughout europe once you make your way in has them very concerned. >> michael, with the with free travel in and around certain parts of the world.

it's hard to pinpoint who is truly serious about launching an attack and whether they have the resources to do that. today the reality is underscored by the alleged plot, the thwarting of the alleged plot. especially the young men who say they are working in conjunction or inspired by isis. here is a young man who up until recently showed no reason. he found isis online and decideded to be a fighter in the united states. how do counterterrorism officials, how do they begin to try to pinpoint people legitimately part of a network and the loan wolf who is validating violence they would perpetrate regardless. >> of course, the lone wolves

can be dangerous. sometimes mixed with mental health issues. i'm not yet persuaded that cincinnati would-be bomber is an isis recruit. it sounds like where we see the o national shooting or mass shooting. >> right, and that's exactly in my fairly long winded and convoluted way what i'm trying to -- he does not seem like he's of the same as the kouachi brothers. heed into the concern around domestic terrorism. how do we test that? >> the main thing i would say is i feel -- and you always want to knock on wood but our strategy in the united states is working reasonably well. the first thing we try to do is integrate our watch list and do a good job of keeping people who don't belong here out of the country. that could be americans who went to syria and tried to come back.

that's an area more complex. but we're trying to focus on that now, too. secondly, where the the targets are the most appealing, we do have police forces that have gotten better at developing counter terrorism capability. especially in new york but even other places. and third, if we don't push the overcorrection too far in the aftermath of snoweden and wikileaks when need be and when warranted, they the trace the communications and uncover cells. there haven't been a lot in the history that we're aware of publicly. they need to keep the tools to do one and two and three steps removed. that's key to how we keep the country safe. >> what about the the socio economic piece? the president and prime minister cameron of the u.k. have a joint op-ed in "the new york times"

saying prosperity is the key to defeating terrorism. a lot of these places it sounds like it's contributed to a feeling of disenchantment and that has led to extremism and adopting extremist ideologies. to what degree do you sense counterterrorism officials are working hand in glove or communicating with folks who have an ability to change and shift and shape economic policy in these countries to prevent further radicalization? >> these are things that need to be done in tandem. it's not the intelligence community proving it in the region. on one hand many studies show poverty does not overall lead to terrorism. we see the failure to integrate people into society it does have the effect. and what we're seeing now in the numbers of westerners going to fight in syria and iraq.

it's people from broken homes. here in the united states. our three pilot programs in minneapolis, los angeles and boston. and those are focused on a variety of things. including the economic piece. also trying to identify people drawn to radicalism but not yet acting on it and helpeded off the path through means other than law enforcement and intelligence. and that's critically important. especially given the fact both al qaeda, especially in the arabian peninsula. they inspire. and they're openly calling on people. you don't have to come here and fight with us. do what you want at home. trying to inspire people to do just that type of thing. >> and yeah that's a really fair and important point. economic marginalization and cultural marginalization are often twinned in sentences, but are separate things in the case of these fighters. thank you for your time guys.

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would have this opportunity. >> that is correct, newly electeded hog castrating iowa senator joni ernst will give the republican response to the state of the union address on monday the news came hours ago when house speaker john bayne aeroand mitch mcconnell held a rare press conference. the first in ten years. but if you were hoping for a refreshed agenda with the new republican majority, you ubwould be sorely disappointed. repealing a bill for the 50th time. >> our bill and our opportunity, solutions that repeal obamacare and replace it with patient senate reforms. >> but the the republican majority can totally agree the repeal of obamacare is at the top of their to-do list there's a lot less excitement and less

agreement about what happens next. yesterday moments before boarding chartered buses to hershey, house republicans passed a sweeping measure, tying must-pass funds to a blockade and repeal for relief for undocumented residents in the u.s. the bill is conservative red meat, es except nothing is really all that hungry for it. >> well we're going to try to pass it. and if we're unable to do that. then we'll let you know what's next. >> the house is going to work its will. the senate is going to work its will. >> never mind the will that both the senate and the house are working is the will of the same party. joining ne now formed a -- let me

start with you. could mitch mcconnell's enthusiasm for this house immigration bill be any less pronounced? i mean -- >> to this this isn't what he wants. >> at all. i'm surprised he can't get some vague enthusiasm. >> they took the vote in the house because you have a lot of people that want to say, look i tried. they know they're going to fail. it's better than saying i didn't try. so this is a bunch of theatrics that lead nowhere. welcome to the u.s. congress. >> so depressing. but here's what i don't understand. we were beginning to talk about this before the segment began. if you remember the base and you feel marginalized and you need a sign from party leadership that your concerns matter doesn't a fake bill further infuriate a

bunch of really angry people? the problem is they're not just sweets. they're nuts as well. it's not just that they don't want to pass the bill. they understand it would be a suicidal impulse for the republican party going into 2016. so i have to believe the people most rooting for them to kill the bill are people trying to become the republican presidential nominee. this would be the death nail for republican party. another with hispanic voters around the country. >> the ones trying to become the nominee and not in hershey. rand paul is not in hershey. marco rubio is not in hershey. unsurprisingly ted cruz is in hershey. >> there's a real concern ha the people who don't support the house bill are 2016 republican presidential candidates senate republicans and democrats. tha not a great coalition if you're a house republican.

>> part pof what we're going to see happen, on both sides of the ail aisle, democrats and republicans, a lot about sending a message to people running for nomination. where certain want them to be. certain threats being made. they're trying to tug those potential nominees in the direction of their agenda. >> i wonder david, how much tugging you think is going on in the left. it was a late breaking announcement he would join democrats. there were very public rifts at the end of last year among congressional democratic leadership and this white house. i think we all remember the day nancy pelosi said i'm enormously disappointed the white house feels the only way they can get a bill is to go along with the cromney bus. something i detest in both name and letter. how much work needs to be done to repair that broken relationship? >> well, i think the relationship is fine.

what is on their minds is re-election. in the future and building up their numbers in the house and the senate and what they sense is there's a big pop list impulse. wall street recovers smartly. the average person is still struggling. there's a great deal of anger toward those who helped create the crisis and skipped away from it. that was the core of the dispute in december. when the president beat back five of six efforts to dilute the financial reform. they have to accept one in order to move forward. the big place they'll show up is on trade. i think there's going to be a big debate within the party. it's going to be incumbent on the president to make the case that the pacific treaty that

he's negotiating is different than ones we've seen in the past and holds out hope and benefit. president obama said last movant folks in my own party and constituency that have legitimate complaints about the trend lines of equality but are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to this trade agreement. there's that rift. >> they're interpreting what the trade agreement would do differently. different interpretations to what the consequences would be. david used the word incumbent. something else incumbent upon the president. he's entering a season here or two years where he may be vetoing a lot of legislation. that makes it incumbent to find common ground and cause where h can. whether it's on a spending bill or trade authority. >> it suz seem like where there's agreement. whether it's college football playoffs or a trace agreement

the president will talk about that. he's also doing things that have no chance of passing. including his community college program. which isn't to say it's without merit. the healthy families act which aims to ensure americans have access to paid maternity and sick leave. these are not things popular with republicans but seem like a very clear message to i think parts of his liberal base. >> so here's a thought, alex. i think he's doing what he thinks is right. i think he's pursuing those things that he things are right for the country. he believes this trade treaty is best for the country and its future. with all due respect to frank and i think others made the point. i don't think it's just that he's looking for something to get along with the republicans. he believes in this and wants to get it done let me make one

point on mitch mcconnell and the health care bill and boehner. there was a report today from the commonwealth fund about the fact that people generally, not just people who have insurance under the affordable care act, but generally for the first time in years and years, people feel less stressed and pressure because of medical expenses than they did before. than they did last year. a lot was attributeded to the affordable care act. as they move forward they ought to contemplate that fact. >> i'm surprised they remain as strong as they do given the news and metrics and numbers we're getting out of the first couple of months of obamacare in practice. hang with me. we have so much more to talk about. david axelrod, thanks for your time. >> thank you for coming out last night. >> it was my pleasure. >> you were great. thank you: >> coming up we are gettinging

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the effort to close gitmo continues with or without the support of the u.s. congress. last night the pentagon detained five more. all fife were at gitmo for nearly 30 years and were cleared for release five years ago. four were sent to oman and one to estonia. that transfer leaves 122 detainees at the prison. down from 680 in 2003. 54 of these remaining have been approved for transfer. again nearly all of them from yemen. this just one day after legislation to suspend transfers from guantanamo to yemen. it's likely the president will have not have their support in his effort to close down one of the most controversial prisons

in the world. >> the war on terror has reached reachededreached ed a lethal phase. >> we saw the attacks in paris. # 2 detainees are designated high risk. that means high risk for reengagement for terrorism. that's where the focus needs to be. not on the the presidentpresident trying to fulfill a campaign promise. joining us now, pentagon correspondent for "the new york times" haleen cooper. let me first ask. the veracity of the statements here. these are high-risk detainees. high risk for reengagement with terrorism. what is the process by which detainees are evaluated. >> it's somewhat baffling the senator is going on outdated

obsolete information when there's been a recent review of the prisoners' files. every agent, bar none has approved them for release. that's the cia, fbi, dod justice department. everyone has said these men should be released. >> so what is she referring to? >> that's going back ten years based on unreliable information. why would you act based on bad information when you have more recent reliable information? >> this seems to be a strategy here on the part of the white house to try the get the number of prisoners down to a number where the cost of housing them becomes untenable. there's a clear economic argument there. do you think it's feasible the white house will get it down to

a number where it's too ob or want for the republican detractors of the plan? >> well. it's already getting exorbitant. the more people let go the higher the prisoner cost gets. he's hoping if he gets it below 100, into the single digits, then you're looking at five, six, seven million per detainee which is a huge cost. especially when you consider these are convicted terrorists in the united states and their cost is about 78,000 to 100,000 per detainee. so that's sort of the obama administration's strategy whether the republicans in congress are going to allow this top ha remains to be seen. >> let me follow up on that. do you think an economic argument works at this point?

so much is ideologically based. it doesn't matter if they're cleared for release. it doesn't matter if it's economically more feasible. this is our position. i wonder -- there is a cost that would convince anybody at this point? >> i don't know. i'm sure there's a lot of really hard nuts to crack in congress. but then there's some people whose views are starting to evolve. i spoke with joe manchin, democrat of west virginia who went down to guantanamo in december. he was in the view out of sight, out of mind. let's keep them in cuba as opposed to bringing them here. and after looking a t the numbers, you have so many people there without being charged for 12 years, 13 years with no chance of ever being charged. what are you going to say?

recame back from that trip saying his views are evolving now. so you may have some people starting to involve. the position of john mccain is curious. he's sort of been one or the more nuanced voiced on guantanamo guantanamo. i was surprised to see him standing and proposing this legislation earlier this week. i'm not sure any of us know what is going on there. >> yeah. and mccain's position on this last month he said professor, he would help the president close gitmo. now here he is yeed sponsoring legislation to ensure it stays open. >> yeah. this is a terrorist recruitment bill. for policy reasons, keeping guantanamo open makes no sense.

for security reasons it makes no sense. the only reason it makes sense for republicans is it enables them. it's a gift they can keep on using. it attack the the president. but overseas they can use it as a recruitment tool. these are in groups who want to keep it open because it's beneficial. >> you know, in terms of the transfer, the fact that some recent detainees are going to oman that borders yemen, i wonder how much of a security concern that is? >> you know, i talked to some a administration officials about this last night when we first found out these detainees were going to oman. but it's not yemen. the omani government said they agreed to security assurances.

they feel very comfortable that there's not going to be -- and i hesitate to use the word because in the some of these cases, you talk about people returning to the battlefield. and we don't necessarily know they were on the battlefield to begin with. a lot of these guys 12 13 years ago were rounded up in pakistan. there's still things unknown about their background. but we have security assurances from the government over there. they're not technically going back to yemen. i guess we'll have to wait and see. both the pentagon and state and other national security officials that i talk to seem confident you're not going to see them coming up against american troops in pakistan or afghanistan. >> that's the big question. who are these guys? we know you represented the detainees. some have been released. we have a photo you supplied of him before and him after. i want to show that to

everybody. people don't know. that's after. that's after the release, right? >> right. >> this is his photo after being released. that's the before photo. >> yeah. he was cleared for release in 2009. every agency in the u.s. government signed off on the release. call me old fashion, but i believe in the presumption of innocence. he's trying to learn spanish and rebuild hez life. he wants to bring his family over so they can rebuild their lives to gt. the photo shows you these are real people. he's not some kind of monster. i agree that the use of the word itself is loaded and problematic. even when you look at the d.o.d.'s figures. which i take with a grain of salt. since the obama administration began releasing prisoners after the review process in 2009 even if you believe the figures,

that's only 6.8% confirmed to reengage. almost all of them have been recaptured or killed. so it's not a rate to justify keeping all of these men in prison forever with no cause. >> it's important to see the face of someone who has been through that. always good to see you both. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> thanks, alex. >> we have more details on the counter trough raid in belgium a major imminent attack was foiled. we'll have more details next.

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wii continuing to follow . we're continuing to follow a developing story out of belgium. this is amateur video unconfirmed by nbc news. officials say the group was planning to carry out a major attack. we will keep monitoring developments and bring them to you as we have them.

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no sooner than they were announced the oscar backlash began. the worst since 1998. white gold was the huffington post headlines. oscarssowhite began trendening. every actress or actor up for a lead r supporting role all 20 were white. selma was nominated for best picture, but the academy passed up the chance to make the director the first african-american woman to be nominated for best director. david oyelowo who played martin luther king jr. was also left off the best actor list on the birthday of dr. king no less.

and nearly lost in the uproar no women on the list of best director or best screen writer nominees. back with me is frank brune. let me first ask you. 93% white. 76% male. coincidence or causal? >> i think it might be a little bit of both. they gave the best picture to "12 years a slave." it's not that they're incapable of recognizing a movie with a black cast and black screen writers. i think it's partly internal politics and stuff i don't know about. and partly that yes, they're very narrow view of the world.

narrow view of true hollywood. >> i also wonder if you're relying on the oscars to be an accurate barometer of progress you better be ready for disappointment in life. >> you can't nominate -- that's true of the movie industry too. you can't nominate what hasn't been made. they feature the kind of color and all of that you're seeing in the nominees. almost all the best picture nominees are stories of great men or nominated by male actors. you can't nominate what hasn't gotten made. >> it's amazing to me. like bridesmaid was a revelation. oh, women like funny movies. but it took one movie to show hollywood the the most obvious thing in the entire world. >> hollywood seems to have a

hard time going to new markets. african-americans are disproportionately represented. more black people watch movies and go to theaters percentage wise than are in the population. that should tell you you should make stories to appeal to that demographic. i don't understand the mindset. they can't see this market is there ready to be tapped into. >> exploited even. i don't know. >> actively encouraging hollywood to exploit the black public. but to your point about the plot lines. american sniper is hollywood

more conservative? the new york magazine called it aggressive. >> i think they called it a republican platform. i think not only is hollywood not as liberal as they like to think they are, certainly if they're politically liberal it's not matched when it comes to economics. t they make the most conservative economic decisions. with "american sniper", sometimes hollywood doesn't tune into the politics the way others do. some people are feeling uneasy about his republican convention appearance. >> speaking to an empty chair. if that was made into a movie probably would have sold very well it's a thrilling movie. >> in terms of the fostering of the next generation of talent. chris rock has been giving amazing interviews lately. let me say that. he headlined, it's a white

industry. really. actually i try to help young black guys coming up. i would do the same for a young white guy. someone is going to help the white guy. multiple people will. the people whom i've tried to help, i'm not sure anybody was going to help them. it's not something you hear lot in hollywood. >> it sounds like a problem from a lot of mostly white areas. the kind of people -- certain kinds of people get a leg up hand up other kinds of people do not. and so it's incumbent upon those lucky enough to get the leg up the hand to extend it forward. the way things are already established, it's just not going to happen. >> and it's worth noting. black enterprise magazine releaseded 40 best companies for diversity. not a single silicon valley firm was on the list.

>> we're beating up on hollywood. >> certainly, there's not a lot of women as a caveat. the other half of the population. thank you guys for your time and thoughts on oscar. >> thank you. >> we'll have more coming up after the break. ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes. your call is important to us. thank you for your patience. waiter! vo: in the nation, we know how it feels when you aren't treated like a priority. we do things differently. we'll take care of it. vo: we put members first... join the nation. thank you. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ [cheering] everything okay? we're here because you're about to have a heart attack. pete's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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